The Myths & Dangers Of Using Haversacks Traditional Minimalist Bushcraft Wilderness Camping
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- A traditionalist is a person who supports the established customs and beliefs of his or her society or group, and does not want to change them. A traditionalist idea, argument, or organization supports the established customs and beliefs of a society or group, rather than modern ones. Adhering or conforming to customs, beliefs, values handed down from generation to generation preferring what is old or long established.
Bushcraft is a set of skills and knowledge that can be used to survive in the outdoors. Building a shelter, creating a fire, foraging for food and collecting water are all essential bushcraft skills. Others include making cordage, plant identification and natural navigation.
A minimalist lifestyle is intentionally living with fewer possessions - focusing only on the ones you need.
Personal inspirations A.G. Hales, Mors Kochanski, Horace Kephart, George Washington Sears, Susanna Moodie, and Les Hiddins.
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The word haversack is an adaptation of the German Hafersack [1] and also the Dutch haverzak [2] meaning "oat sack", (which more properly describes a small cloth bag on a strap worn over one shoulder and originally referred to the bag of oats carried as horse fodder). The term was adopted by both the English and French (as havresac) cavalry in the 17th century.[3] The word haver likewise means "oats" in Northern English and Scottish dialects.[4]
The haversack, especially when used in the military, was generally square and about 12 inches (30 cm) per side with a button-down flap to close it. When empty, the bag could be folded in three and an extra button on the back of the bag would allow it to be refixed in this position. For the military, this made it neat and, when held to the side in its folded form by the soldier's belt, it became part of the uniform of many regiments in the British army.
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Finally! A dose of realism and sanity. Thanks!
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A Haversack was never meant to be a substitute for a Day Pack, outfitting it with an extensive "Kit."
In its origins, for military use, it may have held the soldier's food rations for the day, or some extra ammunition.
In more recent times, it is a lighter weight, minimalist bag meant to be used as an easily carried container bag for foraging around your campsite for herbs, medicinal plants, tinder, etc. It should compliment a Day Pack or Expedition Pack...not serve as one.
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I definitely subscribe to the idea that overkill is underrated if it needs 4 screws put 6 but that is why I haven’t really given the haversack much thought I carry lots of gear when I hit the woods. Very good points made and very sensible way to look at it.
That is so true, haversacks are to complement your setup, not become your main stuff sack, now if going out on a scout then a haversack could be a great choice to keep things light, but like most people believe "if it fits, it goes" so you should keep your haversack small or keep it to just the essentials. I myself make a haversack with a long enough strap for that "just in case I overload" or I cant live with out this in my sack scenario, the strap is 70" long so the haversack can be used as a backpack for those just in case (heavy loads) moments.
The haversack was originally for food & cook gear, with some crossover with a possibles pouch. The haversack was used in conjunction with a bedroll as a wild camping sleep & shelter system (ish).
Thanks so much for visiting my channel, I appreciate you very much. I agree the haver is definitely support gear:
Exactly takes more of the weight off your back and your minimum items that you won't access easily or in your have a sack purses your big stuff in the big bag or bigger bag but still can have less weight and gear to a certain degree. Great video
I personallylike a small backpack then a haversack.
I have one from ww2 using it regularly,but it seems always in my way while I go for a small hike.
For the three milder seasons in the south I can do a weekend with a haversack, a canteen, and a bedroll sling. I carry a small firekit with redundancies that fit in a zippered pocket in the haversack, a flat folding wood stove, a Silky Pocketboy saw, small boo boo kit, a usgi poncho for a shelter setup, and a small hatchet in the bedroll. This leaves plenty of room in my haversack for food for two to three days. I don’t need a big bulky tarp or a big ax, fuel for cooking is in the woods, and I enjoy the minimalist approach. Your comfort and skill level may vary, however.
Personally I use a component system I use. Water bottle bag, cookset bag, lavvu, hammock bag, tarp bag, day trip pack(scout) and a winter wool bedroll pack. I vary the assembly depending on my outing and the weather. I do have a haversack but only use it for foraging and munchies.
the haversack was meant to carry a soldiers rations. Not for carrying everything you needed while on campaign. Food and cooking equipment only.
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And map and a few other items but not much.
I'm a hunter and I had a 45-year-old hunting bag that looks like these haversacks. I didn't know you called them haversacks until recently. 10 squirrels and a few bottles of water is all that my hunting bag would hold and not have the flap sticking out at 90 deg. angle. I'm not suggesting the haversack is the same as my hunting bag. It sure looks the same from everyone's you tube videos. My hunting bag was made of canvas. It served me well over the years. I'm not sure where it was made. Off your subject completely. Keep up the videos.
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I love anything that helps keep me hands free while out hiking ...love the belting idea thanks Dutch💥💥🌿🐾
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I much prefer this content to your smarmy expose videos. Keep up the good work.
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A funny thing happened on the way to using my shoulder carried bag...
So, there is my old Army map case that is much smaller in volume than most haversacks,
My heavy canvas "art bag/desk" that has a bunch more volume and more like many popular haversacks in size,
My messenger bag briefcase bag that rivals small backpacks in volume ,
Etc.
These could all be worn as "haversacks" (along with other bags lying around).
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I was skeptical about your video at first, until you said incorporate a small back pack for more then a day or two. once you set up camp you can rome around with your haversack and have an amazing weekend. Backpack doesn't even have to weigh very much at all just your tent or tarp, ground mat/browse bed, bivey or blanket so on you get the idea and food/water.
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Excellent video buddy, great info. I've been putting together a haversack kit myself, for smaller day trips to the woods, Thanks for sharing, Cheers mate, Jay
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Thank you for your common sense video you really nailed it. I’ve really gotten away from the survival word if your camping trip becomes survival all I have done has failed. Stay safe and happy holidays.
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Great haversack. Thankyou for clip.
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Good advice. If your going minimal be sure to be within easy walking distance of a water source. The first explores had to follow river courses unless they used pack animals, even then they had to make it to another water source before they ran out.
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Excellent advice given in this video.
Great points! I see a haversack as 1. a bag to hold day hike gear, 2. a bag for hiking away from a prepared camp. I like the gas mask/bread bag military style as it allows more organization and many have a compartment for a canteen (formerly holding mask filters). The true flat envelope style haversack will have you lifting gear out to get what you need that has fallen to the bottom.
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@@traditionalbushcraft Up date since this popped up in my urban survival feed for some reason. Our surplus store just got in a number of those RCMP style police belts in black, had all the rings and the shoulder strap.
I have come full circle on "haversacks," for many years I had a dedicated kit that I carried with me almost every day. I don't any more but I still love them.
The shoulder bag for hundreds of years was the soldiers food/mess kit bag and people have forgotten with the current fad promoted by pseudo experts of "bushcraft."
I really need to dust off my old traditional kit and make time to hit the woods before the world freezes around me.
It is pretty sad that I can walk out of my house and be in the woods in about five minutes and I haven't gone once this year.
I appreciate your time my friend and the visit, I myself can literally do the same and at time struggle to get out there especially in the snake season most of my active time especially overnight is winter ❄️
@@traditionalbushcraft the only snakes we have here are garter/ribbon snakes. Neat little fellows that avoid people for the most part.
Excellent advice . Thank you 👍🏕
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Yep . Just starting to delve into bedroll and haversack camping 👌
A haversack is for convenience only not a survival pack. To me a haversack should be used with your day or larger pack as a handy item for foraging around the area your camping in.
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Very informative.
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Really, the most important thing to consider is your surrounding environment and conditions, In the southwest, for example, you're basicly in a desert or very arid environment. There have been hikers and off-roaders who have gotten lost and died because they didn't have enough water. Even in urban environments, the temperatures can often get over 110 degrees, and walking(even short distances)in those conditions exposes you to heat stroke.
So, know your environment and know your personal limitations. Everything else is a blessing.
Nice content! A truly balanced point of view on this type of backpack...; originally the haversack was created to carry food and light materials that needed to be close at hand, not everything you need for an outing in nature. I understand the desire for minimalism, but not the excess...
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Cool video I see you adapted the intro style we discussed looks good my brother
The only person who was really able to do it was John Muir. He would have only some hard bread and a few other things in his satchel. For sleep, he said he would burrow his body into piles of leaves for the night, bugs be dammed! But he was a tough, Scottish bastard who loved nature..
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Great for day hikes and foraging, but doesn't compare to modern day backpacks. The haversack was generally an oat bag/poke that was easily accessible. Our legendary heroes of yesterday would have used packs If available/affordable.
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I have a haversack with a lightweight Snapchat I use it all the time I've got more stuff that I really need in it but I use it
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A haversack is just a tool in my kit and I use the right tool for the right job. I don't like my EDC stuff in backpacks when I travel through town and the haversack is easier to protect from thieves it also draws less attention.
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You never mention the most important thing to put in a haversack...EXTRA DRY SOCKS!
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Dry socks whiskey & cigars never seem to get a mention but they are essential.
The socks should be in the back pack lol
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For me, I am a diabetic, so I carry a haversack for basic items like, some chow, water bottle, water purification, fire starting, medicine etc... just in case I need them.
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Well, what you say maybe interesting to some, however, I tend to follow the 37small pack theory, sawing out the gas cape for a 58 pattern poncho. My thinking is that if it does me for 24hours, then it will do me for 48…..
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Excellent dissertation. Being a hat guy, I love yours. May I ask the make and model? Thank you.
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Sounds like you make every trip a camping trip
Well umm 🤔 what is it that I’m supposed to be doing? Chasing zombies using military gear and call it survivalism? I do appreciate you stopping by God Bless
For your skill and comfort level a haversack kit might not be the best choice. I do weekend winter camps (temps usually ranging from 0-25 degrees Fahrenheit) using a haversack (or smaller kits) in total comfort. A haversack kit actually feels like luxury camping compared to some minimal outings I do. I only started doing this after many years of winter camping using more gear carried either in a backpack or a sled. I started eliminating the things I wasn't using and found I don't need much gear to camp comfortably. I definitely don't suggest or encourage anyone to attempt minimal trips beyond their skill level. If you have the proper gear and skill/knowledge, there's nothing wrong with using a haversack or other minimal kit.
I go over minimal kits lots on this channel and hit on haversacks a bunch to and i absolutely feel that skill level has a huge role when putting together any kind of kit. Everyones comfort levels are different there are many variables that need to be addressed when looking at using haversacks weather conditions being one of many. Thanks for coming by
Whats your minimalist winter sleeping system?
Where does one get those belts and slings ?
The belt I used here is a OHI, I make custom belts by hand if you are interested you can reach me through Instagram. There are many many companies making the slings a Google search for canvas ax or saw sling will pull up some options. Thanks for coming by my channel I appreciate you best regards Dutch
i had always thought the haversack was for day hike, and in addition to your pack for overnight.. I wamnt to go out and smooth it, not rough it. Old scout motto, be prepared. thanks for your video
Haver sacks are just a play toy. They suck to carry more the a snack bar. The original bag just carried shooting supplies. No one just set off on their own. 😊
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Support your local chiropractor, carry all your gear in a haversack!
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Most take far to much kit. Ditch atleast half of it may help
I rather have a meshok, ... the Russian version of a haversack
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I can.ake the belt/pouches,& most if not all accruments,for reasonable amount of cash,& or trades. Just saying.look me up if ya wanna.
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