துஷ்யந்த் மிகவும் சிறந்த ஆன்மீக பேச்சாளர். அவரது இந்த விளக்கம் தெளிவை ஏற்படுத்தவில்லை. அவரது இந்த முயற்சி தேவையில்லையோ என்று தோன்றுகிறது. மேலும் இவர் தனது ஆச்சார்யர்களை கலந்து முயற்சி எடுத்திருக்கலாம்.
Pande’s frequent interventions has not allowed Sridhar to present his point of view.Sridhar’s effort is to create a historical context to Ramayanam as well ,in the modern context.
1) ஸ்ரீ துஷ்யந்தை விமர்சிப்பவர்கள் பலர் ஸ்வாமி வேதாந்த தேசிகரை கூட ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளவில்லை, அதனால் அந்த ஸ்வாமி சிந்தனையில் தெளிவு இல்லை என்றோ அல்லது அந்த ஸ்வாமி தெளிவு படுத்தவில்லை என்றோ சொல்ல முடியுமா? ஸ்ரீ துஷ்யந்தை விமர்சனம் செய்பவர்கள் பலர் ஸ்ரீ ராமர் பக்தி செய்த ஸ்ரீ தியாகராஜர் இழிவு படுத்த போது எங்கே போனார்கள் என்ற கேள்வி எழுகிறது அல்லவா? அவர்கள் தான் ராமாயணம் பற்றி இப்போது பேசுகிறார்கள் என்று சொல்லாமா அல்லது கூடாதா🙏
@@kumarkumar-ij4vz குமார் சார், திக, திமுகவில் அனைவரையும் ஊம்பி ஊம்பி உதடுவலிக்கும் உங்களின் தியாகம், நீங்கள் மற்றவர்கள் மேல் வெறுப்பு இல்லாமல் அன்போடு ஊம்ப வருகிறீர்கள்.ஆனால், இந்த சங்கிகளுக்கு புரிவதில்லை.. ஊம்பல் திலகம் குமார் குமார் ஊம்புக! ஊம்புக!
ஸ்ரீ ராமபிரானை மட்டுமே நம்பும் மானுடனாய் இருந்து விட்டு போகிறேன்.....i don't need any date and year.....தேவையில்லாத வேலை என்பது அடியேனின் அபிப்ராயம்.....
@@kamalaswamiswaminathan341really? If you need to convince your own people about your own religion and culture..then better off stay away than ‘blindly’ believing.
You may not require. It's for some people who are still terming history as myth. Let there be multiple theories, having different opinions. When there were questions like "was Rama an engineer?", nothing wrong with having different opinions and findings.
It's totally understandable that dear brother Dushyanth wants to convince today's generation about the authenticity of Ramayana. Nevertheless, rather than convincing them on ithihasas, it's better to speak to them the beautiful science of Sanatana Dharma like atma tattva, prakrti and purusha and so on. Ithihasas are for staunch devotees, not for newbies. Yet again another great interview of Pandey ji, being so parliamentary and respectful without commiting any vaishnava aparadh.❤
"Ithihasas are for staunch devotees"nah. Ithihasas and puranas can be neither called "history" nor "myth" because they have both real events and allegorical stories which represent laws of nature, nature and vedic metaphysics. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time. So, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Nature and our flora and fauna celebrated in our Ramayanam. Further Ramayanam is Satha Koti pravistharam. That is detailed in 100s of crores way. It is TIMELESS.
Never seen Shri Dushyant Sreedhar struggling, literally he was in this. But Pandey Ji, Dushyantji is a very good friend of yours, but then when it comes to Interview, it does not matter for you who is in front. Just shooting the question. Pranam Pandeyji.
Actually, this is the pro and con for people who are open-minded and are ready for accepting change in ALL aspects of their life. But people who come under one closed circle, try to give muttu to the people they support with a closed eye.
It is easy to defend his position. Point is Ithihasas and puranas can be neither called "history" nor "myth" because they have both real events and allegorical stories which represent laws of nature, nature and vedic metaphysics. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time. So, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
துஷ்யந்த் ஸ்ரீதர் அவர்கள் தனது ராமாயண புத்தகத்தை வெளியிடுவதற்கு முன்பு அதை வைணவப்பெரியோர்களிடம் காட்டி அவர்களின் சம்மதம் பெற்றிருக்க வேண்டும் சில தவறுகள் இருக்கும் பட்சத்தில் திருத்தம் செய்திருக்கலாம் என நினைக்கிறேன்
முதன் முறையாக சகோதரன் துஷ்யந்த் திணறுவதை உணர்கிறேன். நமது இந்த அடிமைத் தன வெள்ளையர் ஏற்பு மனோபாவத்தை விட்டு வெளியேற வேண்டும் என்பதைத் தாழ்மையுடன் கேட்டுக் கொள்கிறேன். 😢😢😢😢😢
@@porchelviramr4404 சம்பாதிக்க மட்டும் சாஸ்திரத்தை மீறி விமானபயணம் செய்து வெள்ளையர்களிடம் பணத்துக்காக வேலை செய்வது மட்டும் அடிமையில்லா ஏற்பு??? செளகரியத்துக்கு ஏற்றமாதிரி சாஸ்திரத்தை உபயோகபடுத்திகணும் , திராவிட எதிர்ப்பா எடு கையில மனுவை, சாஸ்திரத்தை, கோயில் குளத்தை, அறங்காவல்துறையை பத்தி விமர்சி, ???என்ன logic இது??
27 nakshatram,12 months,60 years 9 grahas all these constellations align not just once but surely not single and unique as claimed. Please leave Sri Rama and ramayana undisturbed.we do not look around for empirical proof.sradha,bhakthi is enough for understanding ethihasa,puranas.
Exactly. For the first time, Dushyant Sridhar is struggling to convince. What stands out is the logical reasoning and questioning of Rangaraj Pandey. His utmost respect for Dushyant and his own journalistic reasoning are pitting against each other and the eloquent articulation tops it all. Perhaps, even Dushyant is stunned by this making him struggle to convince. ❤ Interesting conversation. It would appear Pandey is politely winning the debate, leading to a beholder’s conclusion that an attempt at precisely pointing the birth has once again been defeated. This mystery is the enigma called Rama. Other wise it becomes a mere mortals history. So this dating exercise is better given up.
Let Ramayanam need not be included in History Book of School. academic curriculum.. Let our belief on Sri Rama be ridiculed... Let us not bother about non believers.. Let us worry about the minority believers.. Let us not bring in any controversy here.. Sriman. Dushyanth is an adorable orator and Upanyasakar, an upcoming and promising young man.. I do not wish him to be targetted by others for such striking criticism.. But he certainly brought out lot of information to forefront.. My blessings
@@prangsudh He did not say anything wrong. Moreover, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Rangaraj,great line of questioning. Request to Dushyanth to stick to pravachanam let historians do their job. Ultimately it's leading to more confusion than clarity,which you will not want and stood for.
"leave it to historian" which historian? commies? Point is, eeven if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Dushyant himself explained yuga calculation and all in his previous upanyasama. He is changing his stand after this book which could have been avoided.
If Dhushant can't convince Pandey just imagine who else he can? Extremely dangerous precedence. Where is the need to convince the current generation with history? responsible parents will take care of their knowledge. There is no compulsion for anyone to accept our puranas as history.
Even if he could not "convince" anyone, it doesn't matter. Even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions. Ithihasas (Ramayana and Mahabhartha) and Puranas can be neither called "myth" nor history". They have both real events and allegorical stories which represent well validated Vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature. Myth means fantasy stories which cannot be validated by logic. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated. There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time.
ஒரு குழந்தை என் தந்தை யார் என்று கேட்டால் அம்மாவிடம் கேட்காதே உனது இரத்தத்தையும் உலகிலுள்ள அனைத்து ஆண்களின் இரத்தத்தையும் சோதனை செய்து தெரிந்துகொள்ள வேண்டும் என்பார் போலிருக்கிறது.
சும்மா சும்மா சப்பைக்கட்டு காட்டுறார் பயித்தியம் புடிச்சிருச்சு இனி நாத்திக கும்பலில் சேர்ந்து புத்தக வியாபாரம் பண்ணட்டும். கல்லூரி பாடபுத்தகமாக்கணும்னா தேதி வேணுமாம் அதுனால 7000 னு கண்டுபுடிச்சுட்டாராம். போய்யா எங்களுக்கு வால்மீகி சொன்னது போதும்
நமஸ்காரம்🙏நான் ஸ்ரீ துஷ்யந் &ஸ்ரீ ரங்கராஜ் பாண்டே இருவருடைய நல்ல ரசிகை உங்கள் எல்லா interview வும் ஒன்று கூட மிஸ் பண்ணாமல் கேட்பேன் இப்ப ஏன் இதில் இப்படி ஒரு சர்ச்சைக்குரிய விஷயமாக ஆகிவிட்டன மனத்துக்கு ரொம்பவே கஷ்டமாக இருக்கு 🙏🙏
Dushyant Ji, You are confusing yourself. Who is the target audience for your book ? You claimed , target audience are next gen youngsters. Do you want them to believe that Rama lived 7000 years ago ? Is that your message to them ? Are you not misleading them ? If they ask you a simple question " When Rama lived according to you ?" , what would be your reply ? The problem is you are messing up between these two goasl 1) Taking Ramayana to youngsters 2) Satisfying historians . In that process , you discarded , Acharyas. You discarded cyclical nature of astronomy as well. Very disappointed with your honesty.
அவர்கள் ஏற்றுக் கொள்ள மாட்டார்கள் என்பதற்காக நாம் வருடத்தை மாற்றி புத்தகம் எழுதலாமா? அவர்கள் ராமரை ஏற்றுக் கொள்ள மாட்டார்கள். நாமும் ஏற்றுக் கொள்ளாமல் போகலாமா? என்ன ஒரு முட்டாள்தனம்.
Dushyanth my boy as a common lady with full of அஞ்ஞானம் i couldn't walk with you in this kala pramanam. Please do think it over and discuss with your acharyas in this matter again. I wholly believe in the kala praman envisaged in valmiki ramayan and in our puranas.
Wonderful debate. Pandeys knowledge tremendous to put the questions equalent to the vedic Scholar. In my opinion dushyant sridhar may disard the period in his book as I feel it is not necessary to clarify and satisfy the historians just for including in the universities curriculum. Pandeys meaningful doubts is very clear.
Why not? He knows sanskrit and also Vedic metaphysics. He is fully qualified to interpret Ramayana's Sanskrit verses. As far as "history" is concerned, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
தமிழ் ஐம்பெரும் காப்பியங்களுள் ஒன்றான மணிமேகலையில் இராமர் பற்றிய செய்தி "நெடியோன் மயங்கி நிலமிசைத் தோன்றி அடல் அரு முந்நீர் அடைத்த ஞான்று குரங்கு கொணர்ந்து எறிந்த நெடு மலை எல்லாம் அணங்கு உடை அளக்கர் வயிறு புக்காங்கு இட்டது ஆற்றாக் கட்டு அழல் கடும் பசிப் பட்டேன் என் தன் பழ வினைப் பயத்தால்" - மணிமேகலை. திருமால் மயக்கத்தால் நிலமிசை இராமனாகத் தோன்றி வெல்லுதற்கரிய கடலை அடைத்த பொழுது,குரங்குகள் கொண்டுவந்து வீசிய பெரிய மலைகளெல்லாம்,வருத்தந் தரும் கடலின் வயிற்றினுள்ளே புகுந்தாற்போல இட்ட உணவுகளால் தணியாத அழல்போன்ற கொடிய பசியை என்னுடைய முன்னை வினைப்பயனால் அடைந்தேன் என்ற வரிகளால் குரங்குகளின் உதவியால் இராமர் பாலம் கட்டப்பட்ட செய்தியை மணிமேகலை பதிவு செய்கிறது...!
Dushyanth Prabhuji is God's gift to us. Through his lecture you can understand Bhagavad Gita. He explains very well by giving examples. May Lord bless him & his family always. Hare Krishna.
Pandey and Sri Dushyant. With all due respects to notable Sanathnis today. Please note consult real scholars when you deal with religion. It’s very sensitive and when scholars have avoided or ignored. We can’t be greater than them. Play to your strength. And continue your good service with a boundary.
"real scholars" when you deal with "religion". Hindu tradition is neither baased on history nor any scripture/book. It is not a religion either. It is dharma which is based on Vedic metaphysics and it can be validated by embodied experience not by silly scholars who themselves are clueless when it comes to correct understanding of vedic metaphysics. Ithihasas (Ramayana and Mahabhartha) and Puranas can be neither called "myth" nor history". They have both real events and allegorical stories which represent well validated Vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature. Myth means fantasy stories which cannot be validated by logic. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated. There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time. Point is even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Why cater to western thought process by finding fault in our rishi tradition? Carbon dating is itself being shifted periodically. Why do we need verification by this theory which is still evolving?
The problem is he is trying to "satisfy" both believers and non-believers. He has to take a clear stance. He can make non-believers know the basics of Vedantha and make them understand how much of great logic is actually there in our Maharishis' teachings. That'd be more helpful to attract youngsters, I feel.
What he has done on this subject is really appreciated. It is true that we need to address the people especially well educated students who has doubts and raise questions. As he had said earlier this not for the people who believe what is said and they have full rights and questioned for that. I strongly feel we need not be questioning the research outputs unless it is totally against the basis of the subject ie. Rama Bhakti.
Well, just to satsify and increase his fan base, he shouldn't resort to nonsensical calculations. He must use the existing facts and present them with pragmatic explanations! Authoring a religious scripture tantamounting to writing a screenplay for a movie, is totally absurd!! This guy needs to grow up and learn more of tharka sastram to counter questions from younger generation, in a responsible way! That said, his Vidya garvam would not allow him to do tnat!!!
namaste, why didn't Sri Dushyanth discuss this, mentioning of birth date with his acharyas and got approval. also the book should have been brought into the proof reading of his acharyas and great sanathana scholars should have reviewed and then released. why did he fail to do? also pandeji could have asked this question to him as to, did he show this book to his acharyas and what did they say? he should have asked this question. however let the people should not get confused and Lord Ram save every one. 🙏
@thangarajm எதுக்கெடுத்தாலும் உடனே வெளி நாட்டு சதி. இப்படியே ஓதப்பட்டு ஓதப்பட்டு, வைக்கும் வாதத்தை அறிவைக் கொண்டு யோசிக்கும் திறன் போய்விட்டது உங்களுக்கு.
🙏In Ramayana, Sri Valmiki has a sloka (1.18.20) that mentions only the birth Month (Chitra), the Thithi (Navami), the Laganam (kataga) the Star (Punarvasu) and not the year! Also Sri Rama’s birth was mentioned as a divine incarnation of Sriman Narayana, the supreme god head (the Omni potent, the Omniscient ,and the Omnipresent). 🙏There are several references in the Vedic literature that Sri Rama’s birth happened during Treta Yuga of the Vedic cosmic cycle. Of the Ten well known Avathrams of Sriman Narayana, the first four (Matsa, Kurma, Varaha, Nrisimha, and Vamana) happened during Kritha Yuga. 5th and 6th (Parusurama and Rama) happened during Treta Yuga; 8th and 9th (Balarama and Krishna) happened during Dvapara Yuga. 🙏The 10th the Kali Bhagavan shall be incarnated during the current Kali Yuga comprising 0.432 million years of which we have JUST crossed around 5200 years (3200 years before CE and 2000 years after CE!!!!). 🙏The four Yugas (known as one chathur Yuga) Kritha, Treta, Dvapara and Kali constitute 4.32 million years. Modern science estimates our planet earth to be about 4.54 billion years old which corresponds to about 1000 chathur Yugas! 🙏Jyotisha is a Vedanga of Vedic literature and can be used in simulation models to analyze various aspects of time, dates and stars. Any one using any such simulation models should state the limitations of their simulated results. Especially in the cosmic cycle nature of the universe, there could be more than one incidence of coincidences may occur that will have to be explained in the results and discussion section of the research publication, if any. For example one such occurrences could be 7500 years (5500 BCE). This is the latest coincidence in Kali Yuga but not the all. So if the model has the capacity to simulate full cosmic chathur Yugas, then one can possibly find the earliest or the first occurrence to be in the Treta Yuga! 🙏So let us try to understand the scope and limitations of any such analytical tools to Vedic literature which are time eternal 🙏 🙏Sarvam Srikrishnarpanamasthu
On matters which are not distinctly quoted by the original author need not be brought in for arguments and the can be taken as facts on the basis of faith.
And again, it is important to take the first step to make the Itihaasas as scientifically accepted. I completely and strongly believe that "the scale the westerners have is incapable and unworthy to even attempt to prove/disprove our Ramayanam or Mahabharatham" But its important for the young children to be told officially that "Itihaasas" are actually history , and NOT mythology. If the niche 1% or 2% remain adamant that I will spread our epics without official recognition, it will happen only in Kruta or Treta yuga. I am with DushyantJi that with the above, Children will at least start reading and believing; and once they are into it, bakthi would take over and dharma will be inculcated in their minds. (Remember Kannadasan ?) Isn't that our purpose ? Excellent interview PandeyJi.. very good questions.. And my humble opinion .. DushyantJi took a long winded route to come to the point.
Pandey hats off to you for asking the precise questions. There is no need to interpret when it comes to 11,000 years. Accept as it is like you accept other facts that Valmiki says. Because we can’t comprehend that many years today don’t mean it wasn’t true.
Rama is like a delicious fruit.Enjoy the fruit why scratch your head about which tree it is from who planted the tree which garden which village town are they important.Vain academic exercise.you throw the fruit away research its skin.
வணக்கம் திரு பாண்டே சார்.இது குறித்த விளக்கங்களை திரு இலங்கை ஜெயராஜ் ஐயா அவர்களிடம் பேட்டி கண்டால் மிக்க பயனுள்ளதாக இருக்கும்.விரைவில் எதிர்பார்க்கிறோம்.நன்றி.🙏🏻
Leoni is the person appointed by Tamilnadu government for school study books. He is writing as per his wish and as per the instructions received by him. But whatever written today will prevail over the years which may not be correct. Dushyant Sridhar Swamin need not have mentioned about date of birth of Sri Ramar. Valmiki Ramayan is the authority.
துஷ்யந்த் ஸ்ரீதர் அவர்களே!நீங்கள் வைணவராக இருந்தால், வைணவ பெரியவர்களை அணுகி, நீங்கள் சொல்வது சரியா? தவறா? என்று கேட்டு, அவர்கள் வழிகாட்டுதல்படி செயல்பட வேண்டும்.
Continuously moving the goalposts for each counter by Pandeyji. Sad that nastikka template followed by DS under the guise of Astika.. Merely confusing the general public and splitting hindus further.
Dushyant has put himself in difficult situation by ignoring acharyas and gurus and accepted whatever theory he proposed. All this could have been easily prevented if he would have followed the actual acharyas approval as per tradition and trying to justify his own theory
At several points, Pandey’s logic was worth applauding. But he never let Dushyanth complete his answers either. All that said, where is Bhakti when rationality and research comes into picture? Youngsters and teenagers may not understand the value of Sanatana Dharma in their early years but later on, subconsciously, whatever their parents and grandparents sow as Anushtanams and Bhakti, become engraved as their deep rooted values for eternity.
Applaud Rangarajan Narashimnan is speaking so vehemently and proving his point. After hearing Dushyant struggle to answer it’s more convincing on what Mr. Rangarajan said
கலியுக பிரமாதாவே துஸ்யந்த் அவர்களே கூடிய சீக்கிரம் க்ருத யுகம் காலம் பற்றி ஆராய்ச்சி பண்ணி பண்ணி பகவானின் முதல் அவதாரம் மச்சாவதாரம் காலம் எப்போது என்று அடுத்த புத்தகம் எழுதி இன்றைய இளைய தலைமுறையினரை கரையேற்று மாறு தாழ்மையுடன் கேட்டுக்கொள்கிறேன்
Excellent interview by Pandeyji. Brilliant point put forth by him that the vast Vedic history cannot be dated. That is the unique glory of it. The noble intentions of Dushyanthji of inculcating “Srimad Valmiki Ramayana” into the minds of the new gen/ next gen is equally appreciated. To preserve its sanctity is far more our duty than for having it to “fit in” to the history books 🙏 thank you for the very enlightening exchanges
Very nicely said! I hope Sri Dushyant Sridhar reads all the comments and takes the suggestions! He should leave history and dating aside. He shouldn't be bothered about "convincing" his audience regarding the authenticity of Sri Ramachandra Prabhu 's avataram. But I guess this is what English education and the influence of the west does to our minds.
@@sowmya7648he actually wishes that today's generation should also learn Ramayanam...what is wrong in this!?.. I'm a gen z kid...i believe in Rama , but some of my frnds dont..so he tries to bring Ramayanam into today's gen by giving dates by research..
@@sowmya7648 nah. As far as "history" is concerned, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
@@DhivyaLakshmi-vb6oz "Belief in Ramayana" There is nothing to blindly "believe" in Ramayana. Ithihasas (Ramayana and Mahabhartha) and Puranas can be neither called "myth" nor history". They have both real events and allegorical stories which represent well validated Vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature. Myth means fantasy stories which cannot be validated by logic. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated. There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time. Point is, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
திருமதி. ஜெயஸ்ரீ அவர்களின் வரலாற்றுக் "கண்டுபிடிப்பை" ஒரு அடிக்குறிப்பாக மட்டும் கொடுத்துள்ளதாகக் கூறியுள்ளார். அதுகூட செய்திருக்க வேண்டாம் என்றே எனக்குத் தோன்றுகிறது. தற்காலப் பள்ளிக்கூடங்களில் இராமாயணம் வேண்டாம். அடிப்படை வேதாந்தக் கல்வி போதித்தால் உதவியாக இருக்கும் என்று நம்புகிறேன்.
Venkatesh swami upanyasam is good for everyone. People of ages can follow. Little afraid to listen to dushyant Sridhar further if he differs from acharya There are other contradictions that dhyushyant says varanas are humans and they are acting as vanaras He established a conversation between lakshman and Urmila before going to forest which does not exists in Valmiki Ramayana. Instead of debating with Pandey he should discuss with acharya and republish the book
Many people in South East Asean countries like Singapore, Indonesia & Malaysia have huge respect for Dushyanth Prabhuji. He is an exalted person and very intelligent. Through him we learn lots of things about Sanatan Dharma. Prabhuji is our Spiritual Guru. Hare Krishna.
Fire cannot be covered by 1000s of self-arguments and claim it is all covered. Truth will expose all false claims. It is very simple to go for debate to get an conclusion instead of 1-on-1 blamegame.
Round 2 for Rangarajan narshiman When Rama was born is not the matter .only answer is still he is in controversy either by Dravidian party or by Hindus . Which ever way it is still the Name is been uttered daily that is the magic of RAM
ரங்கராஜ் பாண்டேவின் கேள்விகள் அருமை! ஆனால் திரு ஸ்ரீதர் அவர்கள் பாண்டேவின் கேள்விகளுக்கு பதில் சொல்ல திணறியது புரிகிறது! ஆனால் ராமாயணம் புனையப்பட்ட கதை என்பது தெளிவு!!❤
Even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories. So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
ராமர் பிறந்தது சித்திரை மாதம் புணர்வாசு நட்சத்திரம் நவமி பிறந்தார் என்று ஒத்துக்கொள்ளும் போது, thamil மாதம் சித்திரை ஆங்கில மாதம் ஜனவரி 9 என்று எப்படி வரும். Don't waste your time in debating their ஆராய்ச்சி. Nobody will acept their concept.. எப்ப துசியந்தர் நாத்திகர் ஆனார். இது வரை அவருடைய உபனீயாசர் என்ற பெயரை கெடுத்து கொண்டார். பாவம் 😭😭😭.
Only one question…if valmiki says Rama lived during 24th chaturyuga, where was India and Lanka then? Were they together floating in Indian Ocean? Who is the audience here? Theists focus on content and ignore timelines as spiritual people don’t have the skills to record time. Atheists reject everything. So why worry about timelines?
ஒரே கதையை கவிஞரையும், அறிவியல் ஆய்வாளரையும் எழுத சொன்னால் இரண்டு கதையும் வேறு வேறாக தான் இருக்கும். வால்மீகி கவிஞர்...துஷ்யந்த் அறிவியல் ஞானம் உள்ளவர்...
54:31 - A very dangerous rope to walk on.... just because they "trusted" your proof doesn't mean they will also trust the 432,000 years of unit of time scale for the Yugas (4.32 million for Chatur Yuga an 4.32 Billion for a Kalpa etc.) and/or the mystical events and characters present in the Itihaasas.
What's happened that DS has to change his stand totally and do this vithanda vaadham? Something is fishy with intent? His logic is totally flawed here...
நம் பாரதத்தின் பெருமையையும் புராண இதிகாசங்களையும் உலகெங்கும் பரப்பி சனாதன தர்மத்தை கடைபிடித்து ஒவ்வொரு ஜீவாத்மாவும் ஒரு உய்வு பெற ஒவ்வொரு ஆழ்வார்களும் பூர்வாசாரியர்களும் ஆசாரிய மகநீயர்களும் பெரு முயற்சி மேற்கொண்டு இன்றளவும் வளர்த்து நிலை பெறச் செய்துள்ளார்கள் ஆயினும் தற்போது உள்ள கலிக்கால சூழ்நிலையில் உலகெங்கும் நமது இதிகாசங்களை சரித்திர வடிவில் நிலைபெறச் செய்து அனைவரும் அறியவும் பல மேற்கோள்கள் காட்டி ராமாயண புத்தகம் படைத்திருப்பது அடியனுக்கு அவசியமாகவே தோன்றுகிறது திரு. பாண்டே அவர்களும் எவ்வளவு கேள்வி எப்படியெல்லாம் கேட்டார் அருமை அவர் கேள்விகளுக்கு எல்லாம் பதில் ஒருசில இடங்களில் மழுப்பலாக தோன்றினாலும் அது மழுப்பல் இல்லை மறைத்து கூற வேண்டிய அவசியம் இருக்கிறது நல்ல எண்ணத்துடன் செய்யும் முயற்சி எதுவும் நல்லதாகவே முடியும் இவை அனைத்தும் நல்ல முயற்சியாகவே தோன்றினாலும் எதிர்காலத்தில் காலவரையரை காரணமாக நம் பழம்பெரும் புராணங்களுக்கு பங்கம் வந்து விடுமோ என்ற நெருடல் இருக்கத்தான் செய்கிறது 🙏 அடியேன் சிரியன் எனக்கு தோன்றிய கருத்து இது 🙏
Mr. Dushyanth can not have double standards. It’s either black or white. He says you can state anything for it to get into syallabus. What kind of argument is that. If you really want to do something as per our acharyas, then, you take the scriptures as the base and then find scientific evidence as per that - even if that takes extensive time. Do not cut your feet to fit the shoes.
Great discussion. Understand the intention of Dushyant avgl to take Rama to a wider audience and satisfy the academic world, but the two theory argument is not convincing and quite confusing. Great intriguing questioning as always from Pandey avgl.
To determine the birth date of Lord Rama who is as said in valmiki ramayanam and other granthas as kruta yugam, will lead to a rabbit hole. The time scale that we are talking about for yugas cannot be integrated with modern science. The origins of Homosapeans goes back to only thousands of years but not to the extent of yuga period timelines. It would be immature to draw any specific conclusions. Shri Dushyant rushed into judgements, this was not required and not relevant. What is required is to follow the path of dharma as practiced by Lord Rama himself .. That is more important!!. And Shri Dushyant himself knows as he follows the path of Ramanuja and Desikan. Desikan in dashAvAtara stotram celebrates Rama as "Dharmo vigrahavAn" .... That is important, not to rush to conclusions about birth date !
One small thought. Before even releasing the Ramayana book that Dushyanth Sridhar ji wrote, he himself explained about Shri Rama's birth according to what all Aacharyaas said, abiding by what Shri Valmiki said. But, just during this book release, he has collaborated with Jayashree Saranathan madam and researched and claim that Shri Rama's birth dates back to nearly 7,000 years back.....So, does he want the people who believed & understood what he said before, in his explanations , to erase that and forget about that and accept what he claims now? What's the guarantee that in future, other statements or facts of his will be withdrawn and goes against Aachaaryaas' and rishis' preachings, by the name of research work?
மரியாதைக்குரிய விவாதக்காரர்கள், நமது முன்னோர்கள் / மகரிஷிகள் ராமாயணம் மற்றும் மகாபாரதத்தில் பல விஷயங்களை அளவிடுகிறார்கள், அவை நமக்கு எட்டாத பல அர்த்தங்கள் இருக்கலாம். இன்னும் நாம் இதைப் பற்றி விவாதிக்கிறோம் என் கருத்துப்படி, இது எப்போதும் பேசுவதற்கும் வாழ்வதற்கும் ஒரு வழியாக இருக்கலாம்.
After reading Jayeshree’s blog and Dushyanth’s prologue of his book. I have pre ordered the copy! Great 1st step to document Ramayana as history and disprove it as Myth or Fantasy! Great work Dushyanth ji
It would have been good if the traditional date and Jayashree Saranathan's version both were presented in the book. That would have been a balanced presentation. Why only the modern date has to be presented ?
I have the following points. 1. For Mr. Pandey- It is Pluto and you sound like Bluto. Please correct me if I am wrong. 2. As a believer I still believe that Sri Rama is an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. When you try date Sri Rama's birth you tend to disbelieve this theory . 3. If Mr. Dushyanth wants to wear several hats as he says, one will wear a hat of one party in the morning, another in the afternoon and so on and so forth. 3. When Mr. Dushyanth is involved in dating the birth date of Lord Rama he cannot have a bhakthi oriented Pravachan delivered because even when he talks about Avatar of Lord Ram the underneath of his conscience will always think about the date of birth of the Lord. There the bhakti element is lost. 4. Mr. Dushyant should have taken the concurrence of his Gurus before releasing the book. 5. Mr. Pandey could have released the full interview of Mr. Rangarajan Narasimhan as he alleges censored version.
Sri. Dushyanth is very clear in his objective which need to be appreciated. Pandey to understand his objective better rather than brnding his effort as a deviation.
துஷ்யந்த் மிகவும் சிறந்த ஆன்மீக பேச்சாளர். அவரது இந்த விளக்கம் தெளிவை ஏற்படுத்தவில்லை. அவரது இந்த முயற்சி தேவையில்லையோ என்று தோன்றுகிறது. மேலும் இவர் தனது ஆச்சார்யர்களை கலந்து முயற்சி எடுத்திருக்கலாம்.
Romba co fused
Pande’s frequent interventions has not allowed Sridhar to present his point of view.Sridhar’s effort is to create a historical context to Ramayanam as well ,in the modern context.
1) ஸ்ரீ துஷ்யந்தை விமர்சிப்பவர்கள் பலர் ஸ்வாமி வேதாந்த தேசிகரை கூட ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளவில்லை, அதனால் அந்த ஸ்வாமி சிந்தனையில் தெளிவு இல்லை என்றோ அல்லது அந்த ஸ்வாமி தெளிவு படுத்தவில்லை என்றோ சொல்ல முடியுமா?
ஸ்ரீ துஷ்யந்தை விமர்சனம் செய்பவர்கள் பலர் ஸ்ரீ ராமர் பக்தி செய்த ஸ்ரீ தியாகராஜர் இழிவு படுத்த போது எங்கே போனார்கள் என்ற கேள்வி எழுகிறது அல்லவா? அவர்கள் தான் ராமாயணம் பற்றி இப்போது பேசுகிறார்கள் என்று சொல்லாமா அல்லது கூடாதா🙏
Ya, right and Sridhar ended up creating rubbish in his pathetic assumption of modern context.
Pandey arguments are so much abatham.
He doesn't talk sensibly in this topicm
திரு. ரங்கராஜ் பாண்டே அவர்களின் கேள்விகள் நன்றாக இருந்தன. பாராட்டுகளைத் தெரிவித்துக்கொள்கிறேன்.
@@kgdhouhithri இதையே வேற எவனாவது புத்தகத்தை போட்டிருந்தான்னா கேள்வி வேற லெவல்!!? பூசி மொழுகுறான் பாண்டு!??
@@kumarkumar-ij4vz குமார் சார், திக, திமுகவில் அனைவரையும் ஊம்பி ஊம்பி உதடுவலிக்கும் உங்களின் தியாகம், நீங்கள் மற்றவர்கள் மேல் வெறுப்பு இல்லாமல் அன்போடு ஊம்ப வருகிறீர்கள்.ஆனால், இந்த சங்கிகளுக்கு புரிவதில்லை..
ஊம்பல் திலகம் குமார் குமார் ஊம்புக! ஊம்புக!
Llllllll@@kumarkumar-ij4vz
பாண்டே அவர்கள் சரியாக கேள்வி கேட்கவில்லை சரியான பதிலையும் சொல்ல விடவில்லை
ஸ்ரீ ராமபிரானை மட்டுமே நம்பும் மானுடனாய் இருந்து விட்டு போகிறேன்.....i don't need any date and year.....தேவையில்லாத வேலை என்பது அடியேனின் அபிப்ராயம்.....
It is for people rather kids who are intelligent enough to question and get a convincing answer.. before blindly believing it..
@@kamalaswamiswaminathan341really? If you need to convince your own people about your own religion and culture..then better off stay away than ‘blindly’ believing.
You may not require. It's for some people who are still terming history as myth.
Let there be multiple theories, having different opinions. When there were questions like "was Rama an engineer?", nothing wrong with having different opinions and findings.
@@siva-sivA Dates, evidences and inscriptions play an integral part in history.... so to bring Ramayanam into textbooks these are important
@@siva-sivAyes we need to convince our own people because this is Kali Yuga.
It's totally understandable that dear brother Dushyanth wants to convince today's generation about the authenticity of Ramayana. Nevertheless, rather than convincing them on ithihasas, it's better to speak to them the beautiful science of Sanatana Dharma like atma tattva, prakrti and purusha and so on. Ithihasas are for staunch devotees, not for newbies. Yet again another great interview of Pandey ji, being so parliamentary and respectful without commiting any vaishnava aparadh.❤
"Ithihasas are for staunch devotees"nah. Ithihasas and puranas can be neither called "history" nor "myth" because they have both real events and allegorical stories which represent laws of nature, nature and vedic metaphysics. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated
There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time.
So, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Nature and our flora and fauna celebrated in our Ramayanam.
Further Ramayanam is Satha Koti pravistharam. That is detailed in 100s of crores way.
It is TIMELESS.
Never seen Shri Dushyant Sreedhar struggling, literally he was in this. But Pandey Ji, Dushyantji is a very good friend of yours, but then when it comes to Interview, it does not matter for you who is in front. Just shooting the question. Pranam Pandeyji.
Actually, this is the pro and con for people who are open-minded and are ready for accepting change in ALL aspects of their life. But people who come under one closed circle, try to give muttu to the people they support with a closed eye.
It is easy to defend his position. Point is Ithihasas and puranas can be neither called "history" nor "myth" because they have both real events and allegorical stories which represent laws of nature, nature and vedic metaphysics. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated
There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time.
So, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
துஷ்யந்த் ஸ்ரீதர் அவர்கள் தனது ராமாயண புத்தகத்தை வெளியிடுவதற்கு முன்பு அதை வைணவப்பெரியோர்களிடம் காட்டி அவர்களின் சம்மதம் பெற்றிருக்க வேண்டும் சில தவறுகள் இருக்கும் பட்சத்தில் திருத்தம் செய்திருக்கலாம் என நினைக்கிறேன்
மிகச்சரியாக சொன்னீர்கள்.
Chitra madam unga research en tally ahalainnu sollungal
முதன் முறையாக சகோதரன் துஷ்யந்த் திணறுவதை உணர்கிறேன். நமது இந்த அடிமைத் தன வெள்ளையர் ஏற்பு மனோபாவத்தை விட்டு வெளியேற வேண்டும் என்பதைத் தாழ்மையுடன் கேட்டுக் கொள்கிறேன். 😢😢😢😢😢
@@porchelviramr4404 சம்பாதிக்க மட்டும் சாஸ்திரத்தை மீறி விமானபயணம் செய்து வெள்ளையர்களிடம் பணத்துக்காக வேலை செய்வது மட்டும் அடிமையில்லா ஏற்பு??? செளகரியத்துக்கு ஏற்றமாதிரி சாஸ்திரத்தை உபயோகபடுத்திகணும் , திராவிட எதிர்ப்பா எடு கையில மனுவை, சாஸ்திரத்தை, கோயில் குளத்தை, அறங்காவல்துறையை பத்தி விமர்சி, ???என்ன logic இது??
27 nakshatram,12 months,60 years 9 grahas all these constellations align not just once but surely not single and unique as claimed.
Please leave Sri Rama and ramayana undisturbed.we do not look around for empirical proof.sradha,bhakthi is enough for understanding ethihasa,puranas.
Exactly. For the first time, Dushyant Sridhar is struggling to convince.
What stands out is the logical reasoning and questioning of Rangaraj Pandey. His utmost respect for Dushyant and his own journalistic reasoning are pitting against each other and the eloquent articulation tops it all. Perhaps, even Dushyant is stunned by this making him struggle to convince. ❤
Interesting conversation. It would appear Pandey is politely winning the debate, leading to a beholder’s conclusion that an attempt at precisely pointing the birth has once again been defeated. This mystery is the enigma called Rama. Other wise it becomes a mere mortals history. So this dating exercise is better given up.
முதலில் பார்ப்பன ஏற்பை நாம் நிறுத்தனும்
Let Ramayanam need not be included in History Book of School. academic curriculum.. Let our belief on Sri Rama be ridiculed... Let us not bother about non believers.. Let us worry about the minority believers.. Let us not bring in any controversy here.. Sriman. Dushyanth is an adorable orator and Upanyasakar, an upcoming and promising young man.. I do not wish him to be targetted by others for such striking criticism.. But he certainly brought out lot of information to forefront.. My blessings
Yes, he’s better than Valmiki. Great Dushyanth Sridhar namo namaha
@@prangsudh What ?
@@TheB657 Sarcasm Bruh
@@prangsudh He did not say anything wrong. Moreover, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Bang on
Rangaraj,great line of questioning. Request to Dushyanth to stick to pravachanam let historians do their job. Ultimately it's leading to more confusion than clarity,which you will not want and stood for.
"leave it to historian" which historian? commies? Point is, eeven if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Precisely .hardly care what these historians do, let them do,can't stop them,but we can stay away from their views.hence the request to Dushyant.
Dushyant himself explained yuga calculation and all in his previous upanyasama. He is changing his stand after this book which could have been avoided.
ராமாயணத்தை நாம் ஆச்சார்யர்களிடம் இருந்து கர்ப்பதே சிறந்தது. அதுவே வேத கலாச்சாரம் நமக்கு கூறும் வழிமுறை.
If Dhushant can't convince Pandey just imagine who else he can? Extremely dangerous precedence. Where is the need to convince the current generation with history? responsible parents will take care of their knowledge. There is no compulsion for anyone to accept our puranas as history.
Even if he could not "convince" anyone, it doesn't matter. Even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Ithihasas (Ramayana and Mahabhartha) and Puranas can be neither called "myth" nor history". They have both real events and allegorical stories which represent well validated Vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature. Myth means fantasy stories which cannot be validated by logic. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated.
There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time.
In this one aspect I completely agree with Rangarajan Narasimhan Iyya. உண்மை உணர்தலின் பாற்பட்டது.
நீங்க என்ன ஆராய்ச்சிப்படி சொன்னாலும் ராமர் ராமர்தான் மக்கள் அவருடைய கல்யாண குணங்களை பின்பற்றினால்தான் நல்லதுன்னு ப்ரசாரம்பண்ணாநன்னா இருக்கும்
ஆங்கிலத்தில் உபன்யாசம் பண்ணுவதால் இவர் சொல்வதெல்லாம் நம்ப வேண்டியது என்பது இல்லை
திரு. ரவி அவர்களே.. ஆங்கிலத்தில் உபன்யாசம் கூறுவதால் உங்களை யாரும் அவரை நம்ப கூறவில்லை, நம்பிக்கை இருந்தால் நம்புங்கள் இல்லையெனில் நம்பாதீர்கள்.
ஒரு குழந்தை என் தந்தை யார் என்று கேட்டால் அம்மாவிடம் கேட்காதே உனது இரத்தத்தையும் உலகிலுள்ள அனைத்து ஆண்களின் இரத்தத்தையும் சோதனை செய்து தெரிந்துகொள்ள வேண்டும் என்பார் போலிருக்கிறது.
அதுல ஒரு 30 பேர் ரத்தம் பொருத்தமாக இருந்தால் அத்தனைபேரும் அப்பாவாகமுடியுமா
சும்மா சும்மா சப்பைக்கட்டு காட்டுறார் பயித்தியம் புடிச்சிருச்சு இனி நாத்திக கும்பலில் சேர்ந்து புத்தக வியாபாரம் பண்ணட்டும். கல்லூரி பாடபுத்தகமாக்கணும்னா தேதி வேணுமாம் அதுனால 7000 னு கண்டுபுடிச்சுட்டாராம். போய்யா எங்களுக்கு வால்மீகி சொன்னது போதும்
யாரு devil யோசிச்சு பேசணும்.
7000 வருடத்துக்கு முன்னால் வாழ்ந்த வால்மீகி வந்த புற்றை காண்பிக்க. அபத்தக்களஞ்சியம்
நமஸ்காரம்🙏நான் ஸ்ரீ துஷ்யந் &ஸ்ரீ ரங்கராஜ் பாண்டே இருவருடைய நல்ல ரசிகை உங்கள் எல்லா interview வும் ஒன்று கூட மிஸ் பண்ணாமல் கேட்பேன் இப்ப ஏன் இதில் இப்படி ஒரு சர்ச்சைக்குரிய விஷயமாக ஆகிவிட்டன மனத்துக்கு ரொம்பவே கஷ்டமாக இருக்கு 🙏🙏
Dushyant Ji, You are confusing yourself. Who is the target audience for your book ? You claimed , target audience are next gen youngsters. Do you want them to believe that Rama lived 7000 years ago ? Is that your message to them ? Are you not misleading them ? If they ask you a simple question " When Rama lived according to you ?" , what would be your reply ?
The problem is you are messing up between these two goasl 1) Taking Ramayana to youngsters 2) Satisfying historians .
In that process , you discarded , Acharyas. You discarded cyclical nature of astronomy as well. Very disappointed with your honesty.
அவர்கள் ஏற்றுக் கொள்ள மாட்டார்கள் என்பதற்காக நாம் வருடத்தை மாற்றி புத்தகம் எழுதலாமா?
அவர்கள் ராமரை ஏற்றுக் கொள்ள மாட்டார்கள்.
நாமும் ஏற்றுக் கொள்ளாமல் போகலாமா?
என்ன ஒரு முட்டாள்தனம்.
இது தேவையே இல்லாத சர்ச்சை. ராமர் அவதாரம் நிஜமான உண்மை. ராம பக்தி மட்டுமே இந்த கலியுகத்தில் நமக்கு தேவை. வேண்டாத குழப்பம் பக்தர்கள் மனம் புண்படுகிறது.
Why do we need to enter into an exercise to satisfy the university rules for them to accept our Ramayana?
Bro this is not to satisfy universities.. But to teach today's gen Ramayanam ..Hope you understand!
Pandey ji's questions are amazing....
Dushyanth my boy as a common lady with full of அஞ்ஞானம் i couldn't walk with you in this kala pramanam. Please do think it over and discuss with your acharyas in this matter again. I wholly believe in the kala praman envisaged in valmiki ramayan and in our puranas.
Thanks a lot Maa. Completely agree with you! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Wonderful debate. Pandeys knowledge tremendous to put the questions equalent to the vedic
Scholar. In my opinion dushyant sridhar may disard the period in his book as I feel it is not necessary to clarify and satisfy the historians just for including in the universities curriculum. Pandeys meaningful doubts is very clear.
Only one thing. If you want research go in that way.if you want to preach go in that way. No duality. A preacher should not be a researcher
research is nothing but cheating.
Why not? He knows sanskrit and also Vedic metaphysics. He is fully qualified to interpret Ramayana's Sanskrit verses. As far as "history" is concerned, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
குழந்தை கையை நீட்டி சந்திரனை தொட்டுவிட்டேன் என்று சொல்வதைப்போல் துஷ்யந்தர் சொல்கிறார்
எந்த ஒரு மனிதனும் தான் ஒரு மிகப் பெரிய அறிவாளி என்ற எண்னம் மிகும் பொழுது இப்படித்தான் தப்புத் தப்பான யோசனை எல்லாம் தோன்றும்
Arivalinnu sariyya ezhundugha bro .appurama matravergalai patri vimersam pannalam
Why don't you write that in Tamil?I don't know how to put it in tamil as others have done.@@vijayendranvijay4538
இவனை avoid பண்ணினால் போதும், தானா அடங்கிடுவான்.
@@vijayendranvijay4538 தவறை சுட்டிக்காட்டியமைக்கு நன்றி நண்பரே
தமிழ் ஐம்பெரும் காப்பியங்களுள் ஒன்றான மணிமேகலையில் இராமர் பற்றிய செய்தி
"நெடியோன் மயங்கி நிலமிசைத் தோன்றி
அடல் அரு முந்நீர் அடைத்த ஞான்று
குரங்கு கொணர்ந்து எறிந்த நெடு மலை எல்லாம் அணங்கு உடை அளக்கர் வயிறு புக்காங்கு இட்டது ஆற்றாக் கட்டு அழல் கடும் பசிப் பட்டேன் என் தன் பழ வினைப் பயத்தால்"
- மணிமேகலை.
திருமால் மயக்கத்தால் நிலமிசை இராமனாகத் தோன்றி வெல்லுதற்கரிய கடலை அடைத்த பொழுது,குரங்குகள் கொண்டுவந்து வீசிய பெரிய மலைகளெல்லாம்,வருத்தந் தரும் கடலின் வயிற்றினுள்ளே புகுந்தாற்போல இட்ட உணவுகளால் தணியாத அழல்போன்ற கொடிய பசியை என்னுடைய முன்னை வினைப்பயனால் அடைந்தேன் என்ற வரிகளால் குரங்குகளின் உதவியால் இராமர் பாலம் கட்டப்பட்ட செய்தியை மணிமேகலை பதிவு செய்கிறது...!
Dushyanth Prabhuji is God's gift to us. Through his lecture you can understand Bhagavad Gita. He explains very well by giving examples. May Lord bless him & his family always. Hare Krishna.
One individual cannot decide unilaterally the date of historical events. It should be debated and proved beyond doubt with proof.
You can follow the debate by following the post of smt jayasree saranathan.?
Pandey and Sri Dushyant. With all due respects to notable Sanathnis today. Please note consult real scholars when you deal with religion. It’s very sensitive and when scholars have avoided or ignored. We can’t be greater than them. Play to your strength. And continue your good service with a boundary.
"real scholars" when you deal with "religion". Hindu tradition is neither baased on history nor any scripture/book. It is not a religion either. It is dharma which is based on Vedic metaphysics and it can be validated by embodied experience not by silly scholars who themselves are clueless when it comes to correct understanding of vedic metaphysics.
Ithihasas (Ramayana and Mahabhartha) and Puranas can be neither called "myth" nor history". They have both real events and allegorical stories which represent well validated Vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature. Myth means fantasy stories which cannot be validated by logic. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated.
There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time.
Point is even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Why cater to western thought process by finding fault in our rishi tradition? Carbon dating is itself being shifted periodically. Why do we need verification by this theory which is still evolving?
Why do we use western languages ...western inventions ...western discoveries
தியானம் தவம் குரு வருள் மட்டுமே பிரபஞ்ச ரஹஸ்யம் விளக்கப்படும். அகங்காரம் மாயை.
"parabanja ragasiyam" nah. Periya prabhanjam = Chinna prabanjam. Macrocosm = microcosm.
Only one question is required to be asked: is valmikis 24th chaturyuga not proof enough that dushyanth is wrong?
The problem is he is trying to "satisfy" both believers and non-believers. He has to take a clear stance. He can make non-believers know the basics of Vedantha and make them understand how much of great logic is actually there in our Maharishis' teachings. That'd be more helpful to attract youngsters, I feel.
ரொம்ப நாளைக்கப்புறம் பாண்டே அவர்கள் உருப்படியாக, விளக்கம் தெரிந்து கொள்ளும் நோக்கத்துடன் இந்த பேட்டியில் தான் கேள்வி கேட்கிறார் !
What he has done on this subject is really appreciated. It is true that we need to address the people especially well educated students who has doubts and raise questions. As he had said earlier this not for the people who believe what is said and they have full rights and questioned for that. I strongly feel we need not be questioning the research outputs unless it is totally against the basis of the subject ie. Rama Bhakti.
Well said sir, my opinion also in same page.
Mine too
Well, just to satsify and increase his fan base, he shouldn't resort to nonsensical calculations. He must use the existing facts and present them with pragmatic explanations! Authoring a religious scripture tantamounting to writing a screenplay for a movie, is totally absurd!! This guy needs to grow up and learn more of tharka sastram to counter questions from younger generation, in a responsible way! That said, his Vidya garvam would not allow him to do tnat!!!
namaste, why didn't Sri Dushyanth discuss this, mentioning of birth date with his acharyas and got approval. also the book should have been brought into the proof reading of his acharyas and great sanathana scholars should have reviewed and then released. why did he fail to do? also pandeji could have asked this question to him as to, did he show this book to his acharyas and what did they say? he should have asked this question. however let the people should not get confused and Lord Ram save every one. 🙏
வெளிநாட்டுச் சதியோ என்னும் சந்தேகம் வருகிறது
Ungha veetla thaneer varalainna koodha modhi dan karanamnnu solrar pola erukku .
Not because someone funded this... this is due to friendship and association with modern day atheists and scientists...
நிச்சியமாக
@thangarajm எதுக்கெடுத்தாலும் உடனே வெளி நாட்டு சதி. இப்படியே ஓதப்பட்டு ஓதப்பட்டு, வைக்கும் வாதத்தை அறிவைக் கொண்டு யோசிக்கும் திறன் போய்விட்டது
உங்களுக்கு.
🙏In Ramayana, Sri Valmiki has a sloka (1.18.20) that mentions only the birth Month (Chitra), the Thithi (Navami), the Laganam (kataga) the Star (Punarvasu) and not the year! Also Sri Rama’s birth was mentioned as a divine incarnation of Sriman Narayana, the supreme god head (the Omni potent, the Omniscient ,and the Omnipresent).
🙏There are several references in the Vedic literature that Sri Rama’s birth happened during Treta Yuga of the Vedic cosmic cycle. Of the Ten well known Avathrams of Sriman Narayana, the first four (Matsa, Kurma, Varaha, Nrisimha, and Vamana) happened during Kritha Yuga. 5th and 6th (Parusurama and Rama) happened during Treta Yuga; 8th and 9th (Balarama and Krishna) happened during Dvapara Yuga.
🙏The 10th the Kali Bhagavan shall be incarnated during the current Kali Yuga comprising 0.432 million years of which we have JUST crossed around 5200 years (3200 years before CE and 2000 years after CE!!!!).
🙏The four Yugas (known as one chathur Yuga) Kritha, Treta, Dvapara and Kali constitute 4.32 million years. Modern science estimates our planet earth to be about 4.54 billion years old which corresponds to about 1000 chathur Yugas!
🙏Jyotisha is a Vedanga of Vedic literature and can be used in simulation models to analyze various aspects of time, dates and stars. Any one using any such simulation models should state the limitations of their simulated results. Especially in the cosmic cycle nature of the universe, there could be more than one incidence of coincidences may occur that will have to be explained in the results and discussion section of the research publication, if any. For example one such occurrences could be 7500 years (5500 BCE). This is the latest coincidence in Kali Yuga but not the all. So if the model has the capacity to simulate full cosmic chathur Yugas, then one can possibly find the earliest or the first occurrence to be in the Treta Yuga!
🙏So let us try to understand the scope and limitations of any such analytical tools to Vedic literature which are time eternal 🙏
🙏Sarvam Srikrishnarpanamasthu
On matters which are not distinctly quoted by the original author need not be brought in for arguments and the can be taken as facts on the basis of faith.
And again, it is important to take the first step to make the Itihaasas as scientifically accepted.
I completely and strongly believe that "the scale the westerners have is incapable and unworthy to even attempt to prove/disprove our Ramayanam or Mahabharatham"
But its important for the young children to be told officially that "Itihaasas" are actually history , and NOT mythology.
If the niche 1% or 2% remain adamant that I will spread our epics without official recognition, it will happen only in Kruta or Treta yuga.
I am with DushyantJi that with the above, Children will at least start reading and believing; and once they are into it, bakthi would take over and dharma will be inculcated in their minds. (Remember Kannadasan ?)
Isn't that our purpose ?
Excellent interview PandeyJi.. very good questions..
And my humble opinion .. DushyantJi took a long winded route to come to the point.
Brilliant interview. Great questions and answers
Pandey hats off to you for asking the precise questions. There is no need to interpret when it comes to 11,000 years. Accept as it is like you accept other facts that Valmiki says. Because we can’t comprehend that many years today don’t mean it wasn’t true.
his aacharyan U Ve karunakaran swami himself has denied these information. Any further arguements, without aacharyan's approval is a waste
நம்முடைய தலைமுறையே 3,4,க்கு மேல் ஆதாரம் இல்லாத போது ராம அவதாரபுருஷருக்கு பிறந்த வருடம் கண்டுபிடிக்க நீங்கள் யார்??????????
மூச்சிறைக்க கத்தினாலும் துஷ்யந்த் கடவுள் மறுப்பாளரரகிவிட்டார். இவர் சுகிசிவம் கரூப்.
Pls listen to him fully n comment.. as our sanantham itself s going down.. no need to bad mouth about anyone unnecessarily.. as he s a great scholar
A scholar need not try to counter a great scholar valkimi. His trying land in creating discussions in wrong route.
IS GOD SAVING US OR DHUSHYANTH SAVING GOD??
E V Ramasamy unesco award vanginarunnu palli puthagathula puluginiyae. Adhu madhiriyaa???
Dushyant’s approach should be encouraged. Nothing wrong with honest enquiry.
I love the ending words of Sri Pandeji, the signal example.
பேட்டி எடுத்ததற்கு நன்றி! புதிய அஸுகி ஶவம் தயாராகிறது
Lots of interruptions by Shri Pandey
Rama is like a delicious fruit.Enjoy the fruit why scratch your head about which tree it is from who planted the tree which garden which village town are they important.Vain academic exercise.you throw the fruit away research its skin.
Not everybody is enjoying the fruit ...To make everyone enjoy he does this..
Very healthy & admirable discussion.
வணக்கம் திரு பாண்டே சார்.இது குறித்த விளக்கங்களை திரு இலங்கை ஜெயராஜ் ஐயா அவர்களிடம் பேட்டி கண்டால் மிக்க பயனுள்ளதாக இருக்கும்.விரைவில் எதிர்பார்க்கிறோம்.நன்றி.🙏🏻
Leoni is the person appointed by Tamilnadu government for school study books. He is writing as per his wish and as per the instructions received by him. But whatever written today will prevail over the years which may not be correct. Dushyant Sridhar Swamin need not have mentioned about date of birth of Sri Ramar. Valmiki Ramayan is the authority.
துஷ்யந்த் ஸ்ரீதர் அவர்களே!நீங்கள் வைணவராக இருந்தால், வைணவ பெரியவர்களை அணுகி, நீங்கள் சொல்வது சரியா? தவறா? என்று கேட்டு, அவர்கள் வழிகாட்டுதல்படி செயல்பட வேண்டும்.
All his guru which he claims have refuted these claims.. Check video done by rangarajan narasimhan on other scholars.
He thinks he’s smart trying to link geography and history to Ramayana instead of trusting Valmiki. Agangaram
Have you got any clear answers for your questions?
Continuously moving the goalposts for each counter by Pandeyji. Sad that nastikka template followed by DS under the guise of Astika.. Merely confusing the general public and splitting hindus further.
60ஆயிரம் நாட்கள் கூட இருக்கலாமே அண்ணா! அய்யா! அப்போது மனிதனின் ஆயுட்காலம் அதிகம்.
Dushyant has put himself in difficult situation by ignoring acharyas and gurus and accepted whatever theory he proposed. All this could have been easily prevented if he would have followed the actual acharyas approval as per tradition and trying to justify his own theory
At several points, Pandey’s logic was worth applauding. But he never let Dushyanth complete his answers either. All that said, where is Bhakti when rationality and research comes into picture? Youngsters and teenagers may not understand the value of Sanatana Dharma in their early years but later on, subconsciously, whatever their parents and grandparents sow as Anushtanams and Bhakti, become engraved as their deep rooted values for eternity.
Applaud Rangarajan Narashimnan is speaking so vehemently and proving his point. After hearing Dushyant struggle to answer it’s more convincing on what Mr. Rangarajan said
கலியுக பிரமாதாவே துஸ்யந்த் அவர்களே கூடிய சீக்கிரம் க்ருத யுகம் காலம் பற்றி ஆராய்ச்சி பண்ணி பண்ணி பகவானின் முதல் அவதாரம் மச்சாவதாரம் காலம் எப்போது என்று அடுத்த புத்தகம் எழுதி இன்றைய இளைய தலைமுறையினரை கரையேற்று மாறு தாழ்மையுடன் கேட்டுக்கொள்கிறேன்
Excellent interview by Pandeyji. Brilliant point put forth by him that the vast Vedic history cannot be dated. That is the unique glory of it. The noble intentions of Dushyanthji of inculcating “Srimad Valmiki Ramayana” into the minds of the new gen/ next gen is equally appreciated. To preserve its sanctity is far more our duty than for having it to “fit in” to the history books 🙏 thank you for the very enlightening exchanges
Very nicely said!
I hope Sri Dushyant Sridhar reads all the comments and takes the suggestions! He should leave history and dating aside. He shouldn't be bothered about "convincing" his audience regarding the authenticity of Sri Ramachandra Prabhu 's avataram.
But I guess this is what English education and the influence of the west does to our minds.
@@sowmya7648he actually wishes that today's generation should also learn Ramayanam...what is wrong in this!?.. I'm a gen z kid...i believe in Rama , but some of my frnds dont..so he tries to bring Ramayanam into today's gen by giving dates by research..
@@sowmya7648 nah. As far as "history" is concerned, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
@@DhivyaLakshmi-vb6oz "Belief in Ramayana" There is nothing to blindly "believe" in Ramayana. Ithihasas (Ramayana and Mahabhartha) and Puranas can be neither called "myth" nor history". They have both real events and allegorical stories which represent well validated Vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature. Myth means fantasy stories which cannot be validated by logic. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated.
There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time.
Point is, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Fantastic job, Pandeyji
Instead of. talking to Pandeyji and Kiranji , have a open.
discussion with your Acharya and share rhe video to the public.
Acharyas...are they having identical opinion about date of adi sankara ??
How does it even matter when was Rama born?
அருமையான அறிவுரை.
ப்ரமாணங்கள் என்றால் என்ன? அவை எவை? உயர் ப்ரமாணம் எது? இதில் தெளிவு உள்ளவர்கள் பூஜ்ய ஸ்வாமீஜீ தயாநந்த ஸரஸ்வதீ அவர்கள் போல வெகு சிலரே
இவர் தப்பான ஒரு புத்தத்தை எழுதிவிட்டு அதை ஒத்துக் கொள்ளாமல் விதண்டாவாதம் செய்வது எரிச்சலாக இருக்கிறது.
திருமதி. ஜெயஸ்ரீ அவர்களின் வரலாற்றுக் "கண்டுபிடிப்பை" ஒரு அடிக்குறிப்பாக மட்டும் கொடுத்துள்ளதாகக் கூறியுள்ளார். அதுகூட செய்திருக்க வேண்டாம் என்றே எனக்குத் தோன்றுகிறது. தற்காலப் பள்ளிக்கூடங்களில் இராமாயணம் வேண்டாம். அடிப்படை வேதாந்தக் கல்வி போதித்தால் உதவியாக இருக்கும் என்று நம்புகிறேன்.
We cannot say what is right and wrong. It's just one's own finding with some arguments. Our dharma allows free arguments and opinions.
Ivaral sariyaga Justify pannamudiamal Patharar.Out of Subject Pesarar.Very sad.
Very simple. The dating of Ram sethu matches with the astronomical events of Rama's life. PERIOD.
தேவையில்லாத வேலை என்றே தோன்றுகிறது !
ராம் ராம்
ராமர் வழி நடப்போம்
அவர் இங்கே வந்து வாங்கோப்பா என் பின்னால் என்று சொன்னால் தேவலை. ஒரு வேளை அவர் வந்துட்டாலும் என்ன ID ஐ பார்த்து அவர் தான் என்று உறுதி செய்வது?
Venkatesh swami upanyasam is good for everyone. People of ages can follow. Little afraid to listen to dushyant Sridhar further if he differs from acharya
There are other contradictions that dhyushyant says varanas are humans and they are acting as vanaras
He established a conversation between lakshman and Urmila before going to forest which does not exists in Valmiki Ramayana.
Instead of debating with Pandey he should discuss with acharya and republish the book
Many people in South East Asean countries like Singapore, Indonesia & Malaysia have huge respect for Dushyanth Prabhuji. He is an exalted person and very intelligent. Through him we learn lots of things about Sanatan Dharma. Prabhuji is our Spiritual Guru. Hare Krishna.
Fire cannot be covered by 1000s of self-arguments and claim it is all covered. Truth will expose all false claims. It is very simple to go for debate to get an conclusion instead of 1-on-1 blamegame.
Round 2 for Rangarajan narshiman
When Rama was born is not the matter .only answer is still he is in controversy either by Dravidian party or by Hindus . Which ever way it is still the Name is been uttered daily that is the magic of RAM
Our elders are not fools. Reminds me of interview with suki sivam..
Sukisivam became Dhukhisivam
ரங்கராஜ் பாண்டேவின் கேள்விகள் அருமை! ஆனால் திரு ஸ்ரீதர் அவர்கள் பாண்டேவின் கேள்விகளுக்கு பதில் சொல்ல திணறியது புரிகிறது! ஆனால் ராமாயணம் புனையப்பட்ட கதை என்பது தெளிவு!!❤
Even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories. So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
yes and Vedic metaphysics or 'darshana" was downloaded in deep meditation.
ராமர் பிறந்தது சித்திரை மாதம் புணர்வாசு நட்சத்திரம் நவமி பிறந்தார் என்று ஒத்துக்கொள்ளும் போது, thamil மாதம் சித்திரை ஆங்கில மாதம் ஜனவரி 9 என்று எப்படி வரும். Don't waste your time in debating their ஆராய்ச்சி. Nobody will acept their concept.. எப்ப துசியந்தர் நாத்திகர் ஆனார். இது வரை அவருடைய உபனீயாசர் என்ற பெயரை கெடுத்து கொண்டார். பாவம் 😭😭😭.
Vinasha kaale vipareetha buddhi apdinnu periyavanga solli irukkanga... Dushyant is no exception for that
Only one question…if valmiki says Rama lived during 24th chaturyuga, where was India and Lanka then? Were they together floating in Indian Ocean? Who is the audience here? Theists focus on content and ignore timelines as spiritual people don’t have the skills to record time. Atheists reject everything. So why worry about timelines?
ஒரே கதையை கவிஞரையும், அறிவியல் ஆய்வாளரையும் எழுத சொன்னால் இரண்டு கதையும் வேறு வேறாக தான் இருக்கும்.
வால்மீகி கவிஞர்...துஷ்யந்த் அறிவியல் ஞானம் உள்ளவர்...
Sri Rama jayam
Dushyant should have full faith in sages and not so called pseudo scientists. Otherwise he is not fit to do religious discourse.
Still unnecessarily arguing .He has taken a stand which he don't want to accept other 's view.
54:31 - A very dangerous rope to walk on.... just because they "trusted" your proof doesn't mean they will also trust the 432,000 years of unit of time scale for the Yugas (4.32 million for Chatur Yuga an 4.32 Billion for a Kalpa etc.) and/or the mystical events and characters present in the Itihaasas.
Publicity stunt unnecessary controversy.. Why is he appearing as vedic scholar in news channels..
not good
நல்ல வியாபாரி
What's happened that DS has to change his stand totally and do this vithanda vaadham? Something is fishy with intent? His logic is totally flawed here...
நம் பாரதத்தின் பெருமையையும் புராண இதிகாசங்களையும் உலகெங்கும் பரப்பி சனாதன தர்மத்தை கடைபிடித்து ஒவ்வொரு ஜீவாத்மாவும் ஒரு உய்வு பெற ஒவ்வொரு ஆழ்வார்களும் பூர்வாசாரியர்களும் ஆசாரிய மகநீயர்களும்
பெரு முயற்சி மேற்கொண்டு இன்றளவும் வளர்த்து நிலை பெறச் செய்துள்ளார்கள் ஆயினும் தற்போது உள்ள கலிக்கால சூழ்நிலையில் உலகெங்கும் நமது இதிகாசங்களை சரித்திர வடிவில் நிலைபெறச் செய்து அனைவரும் அறியவும் பல மேற்கோள்கள் காட்டி ராமாயண புத்தகம் படைத்திருப்பது அடியனுக்கு அவசியமாகவே தோன்றுகிறது திரு. பாண்டே அவர்களும் எவ்வளவு கேள்வி எப்படியெல்லாம் கேட்டார் அருமை
அவர் கேள்விகளுக்கு எல்லாம் பதில் ஒருசில இடங்களில் மழுப்பலாக தோன்றினாலும் அது மழுப்பல் இல்லை மறைத்து கூற வேண்டிய அவசியம் இருக்கிறது
நல்ல எண்ணத்துடன் செய்யும் முயற்சி எதுவும் நல்லதாகவே முடியும்
இவை அனைத்தும் நல்ல முயற்சியாகவே தோன்றினாலும்
எதிர்காலத்தில் காலவரையரை காரணமாக நம் பழம்பெரும் புராணங்களுக்கு பங்கம் வந்து விடுமோ என்ற நெருடல் இருக்கத்தான் செய்கிறது
🙏 அடியேன் சிரியன் எனக்கு தோன்றிய கருத்து இது 🙏
What is the need to fix in software? We believe our elders, Veda, etc. etc. Lord Rama is our God thats all.
Next Dushyant will scientifically date all 10 avatars of Perumal.
So what's wrong in that?
What is wrong broo?
Mr. Dushyanth can not have double standards. It’s either black or white. He says you can state anything for it to get into syallabus. What kind of argument is that. If you really want to do something as per our acharyas, then, you take the scriptures as the base and then find scientific evidence as per that - even if that takes extensive time. Do not cut your feet to fit the shoes.
Great discussion. Understand the intention of Dushyant avgl to take Rama to a wider audience and satisfy the academic world, but the two theory argument is not convincing and quite confusing. Great intriguing questioning as always from Pandey avgl.
My God this man is super mental Thinking highly of himself,Pandey should have condemned him strongly
To determine the birth date of Lord Rama who is as said in valmiki ramayanam and other granthas as kruta yugam, will lead to a rabbit hole. The time scale that we are talking about for yugas cannot be integrated with modern science. The origins of Homosapeans goes back to only thousands of years but not to the extent of yuga period timelines. It would be immature to draw any specific conclusions. Shri Dushyant rushed into judgements, this was not required and not relevant. What is required is to follow the path of dharma as practiced by Lord Rama himself .. That is more important!!. And Shri Dushyant himself knows as he follows the path of Ramanuja and Desikan. Desikan in dashAvAtara stotram celebrates Rama as "Dharmo vigrahavAn" .... That is important, not to rush to conclusions about birth date !
One small thought. Before even releasing the Ramayana book that Dushyanth Sridhar ji wrote, he himself explained about Shri Rama's birth according to what all Aacharyaas said, abiding by what Shri Valmiki said. But, just during this book release, he has collaborated with Jayashree Saranathan madam and researched and claim that Shri Rama's birth dates back to nearly 7,000 years back.....So, does he want the people who believed & understood what he said before, in his explanations , to erase that and forget about that and accept what he claims now? What's the guarantee that in future, other statements or facts of his will be withdrawn and goes against Aachaaryaas' and rishis' preachings, by the name of research work?
மரியாதைக்குரிய விவாதக்காரர்கள், நமது முன்னோர்கள் / மகரிஷிகள் ராமாயணம் மற்றும் மகாபாரதத்தில் பல விஷயங்களை அளவிடுகிறார்கள், அவை நமக்கு எட்டாத பல அர்த்தங்கள் இருக்கலாம். இன்னும் நாம் இதைப் பற்றி விவாதிக்கிறோம் என் கருத்துப்படி, இது எப்போதும் பேசுவதற்கும் வாழ்வதற்கும் ஒரு வழியாக இருக்கலாம்.
After reading Jayeshree’s blog and Dushyanth’s prologue of his book. I have pre ordered the copy! Great 1st step to document Ramayana as history and disprove it as Myth or Fantasy! Great work Dushyanth ji
He is manipulating, this is not the way to attract youngsters by giving false data,
As if you know..
Tell me the real data..come on
Pandey ji. Supera question kekrel. Avrala anwer crrecta kodukkamudiyala. Cinvinceda illa.
Good debate ❤ kudos to shri. Dushayanth Sridhar and shri. Pandey
It would have been good if the traditional date and Jayashree Saranathan's version both were presented in the book. That would have been a balanced presentation.
Why only the modern date has to be presented ?
வாலி ஒரு வருடம் சண்டை போட்டான்.இல்லை வாலி ஒரு நாள் சண்டை போட்டான்.உளறேன்.கேக்கறவா கேனை.ராம் ராம்
யுகங்கள் கடந்தது ஸ்ரீராமர் வாழ்க்கை வரலாறு.அய்யா! விவிலியம், குரானில், கர்த்தர், அல்லா என்று குறிப்பிட்டுள்ளதை ஆராய்ந்து பாருங்கள்.அண்ணா!
I have the following points.
1. For Mr. Pandey- It is Pluto and you sound like Bluto. Please correct me if I am wrong.
2. As a believer I still believe that Sri Rama is an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. When you try date Sri Rama's birth you tend to disbelieve this theory .
3. If Mr. Dushyanth wants to wear several hats as he says, one will wear a hat of one party in the morning, another in the afternoon and so on and so forth.
3. When Mr. Dushyanth is involved in dating the birth date of Lord Rama he cannot have a bhakthi oriented Pravachan delivered because even when he talks about Avatar of Lord Ram the underneath of his conscience will always think about the date of birth of the Lord. There the bhakti element is lost.
4. Mr. Dushyant should have taken the concurrence of his Gurus before releasing the book.
5. Mr. Pandey could have released the full interview of Mr. Rangarajan Narasimhan as he alleges censored version.
Sri. Dushyanth is very clear in his objective which need to be appreciated. Pandey to understand his objective better rather than brnding his effort as a deviation.