Ford Differential Carnage - Driveline Noise Located
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- čas přidán 3. 12. 2021
- This 2011 F-250 has a lot of drivetrain noise. We find some rear carnage in the rear differential and decide to just swap the whole 10.5" axle.
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Considering the price-tag for a new vehicle today, I wouldn't have to think twice about dumping a couple of thousand $$$ into a vehicle I know and love to drive.
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I am only 10 seconds into video. but a whole Ford 10.5 isn't a few thousand. so I agree completely
edit: especially on 2010 thats basically a new truck
Lack of maintenance maybe
Hell, I'm about to spend $150 on a new suspension kit for our 2001 Honda Accord with almost 300K miles. Can't kill 'em!
You're video was very timely, Wes. I was just about to get up off my couch and doing something productive. Thanks for saving me!
You too?
@@Le_Comte_de_Monte_Felin Me three
Ditto!
Glad I could help!
He was to late for me this morning. Darn
Thumbs up on the hearing protection. My dad is nearly deaf after being in this business for 50 years before retiring.
Yes. My father and his two brothers are all mechanics. All three of them 3/4 deaf.
Atta boys coming your way, those rear ends have been the same for years but wow it was toast
Years ago my brother & I were stripping a Land Rover rear axle. The pinion was fighting like a good 'em.... we stepped away to find a larger tool of persuasion, there was a loud bang and the tinkle of a window being smashed. It had come loose and had flown out of the garage and through Mum's new greenhouse (we'd put up the day before). To say we were both relived and unpopular at the same time is an understatement....
I suspect that was a 'Salisbury' model axle and, IIRC, they required a special spreader tool.
My first purchase from a dismantler was a pair of brake drums for a Series 1. A couple of years later I became one of the staff there.
@@robt2151jam a prybar on the spider gears and rotate the pinion flange. the carrier will now come out.
this works for any spicer/salisbury and salisbury-type (integral carrier) axle
Cheers
Hell hath no Fury like an angry Mother! Then for the next few day you will be eating Cold Shoulder. . .
@Rob Smith
Hopefully she was more relieved that neither of you were in the way of that projectile that went through her new greenhouse, than she was mad at you!
Good day to all ! Watch Wes work is a straightforward and legit repair channel with good content. 👍
What a pleasure to see a procedure so well explained, with competence, experience , calm and with the family thrown in to give a human aspect. Thankyou all.
How Junior goes "Hi folks" at the end just kills me. hahaha
Your family's intermittent appearances are nice to see. Its one of the major joys of my life, too, seeing my kiddo as soon as he comes home from school.
How crazy is it that AvE broke his Snap-On dead blow hammer this week as well!
I was about to say this... Small world 🤔
I have an old Snap-On molded hammer that broke apart as well
Cold weather making the plastic brittle.
Anytime the wobbly socket doesn’t nail you, it has been a good day.
I love this guy's videos, I'm not a mechanic and we don't have this kind of trucks in Ireland but I can't stop watching it. Good job.
This is an old school full floating axle. You can find one on anything with duel rear wheels. (Or in this case, an American "3/4" ton. Somehow getting away without duels...
Hufflepuff Towing & Arson: If we can't tow it, they won't know it was yours.
Wait a minute you cannot leave us hanging. Your wife needs to finish the story about the corn field fire! Your sure have a delightful family!
Yeah, did she conjure up a lightning bolt or something?
42:25 Instead of the plastic pans, look at rubber feeder pans they sell for horses. TSC Tractor Supply has them. They are softer, they handle cold and abuse better.
We have a couple of stainless bed pans scrapped out of a hospital/nursing home.
Surprisingly useful and hell for stout.
I was stoked the day I got a cement/mortar mixing pan. But you just got me hip to a totally great idea using those rubber feeder pans. Those things are practically invincible. Thanks for sharing!
You have a MOST assuring and calm approach to your repair videos. Enjoy them very much. Good work! Good Luck.
Solid Video! Thanks for keeping them coming, Wes! I always learn something, even if it's a what not to do!
That was a good video Wes. I have encountered the bearing problems but on my larger trucks, it was good to see it all come together for you and the right way to go with a complete used axle. I never scrapped my Lorries to a junkyard, but we stripped down all re-usable parts and cleaned and stored them, and it saved me a lot of money over the years. It was nice to see your family. Best Wishes from Cheshire..
Good job well done Wes your family is looking well.
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Great video, great lighting, and excellent commentary throughout. Keep up the good work. Glad to have folks like you with these skills.
I understand editing and such, but you really do make things look easy when you have the right tools. It's really amazing to watch the proper tools do a proper job. Nice.
Edits made is particularly easy after step by step bringing the truck down onto the replacement axle then instantly lifting truck, axle and all like the quick connects snapped in place.
Thats why mechanics spend thousands on tools, it really does make things easier. Its not just the editing
Isn't the life of a mechanic living in the rust belt just grand? It adds a whole new perspective to every job.
Wes, your attention to detail is impressive. Great job as always!
12:00 spinning bearings. I've 'cured' similar to this. Packed 'em with cigarette papers. Lasted until the body rusted away. Great content!
EDIT: For you, Wes, it's a bit like talking to us if we were on Mars. You chat, we respond an hour or more later...
Another great video! I personally like when you talk as you work. Education is visual and audible. Keep up the good work. Fan for life.
Fantastic adventure.Learned alot from your refurbish work here. I liked your options in using junk yd parts, price seems right going this way. Thanks for the look.
Love watching Wes's videos. You see him with the impact getting ready to take the U bolts off the normal way, next scene the death wheel LOL to take them off the correct way.
Eh, I would have tried a torch on the U-bolt nuts first if the threads and shanks of the u-bolts weren't severely rust pitted. I live in the rust belt too and you typically try to save anything that isn't just completely rotten away or going to cause a failure later down the road.
Yeah, i would of gone with the devils night light
I've never seen a U-bolt that could be reused. Even if they are not rusted, they are a torque to yield fastener.
I think Wes was just relieving some of the tension on the bolts so he could cut it safely
@@WatchWesWork Maybe new passenger light duty trucks, where all fasteners are throw-away. But 3/4" and 7/8" u-bolts have always been reusable unless they've been stretched beyond limits.
I revisit a lot of your video's Wes ... that's how good they are, craftsmanship and sarcastic humor! ... my cup-a-tea ... thanks bud ... Greetings from Holland.
I'm worn out from doing an all-day home repair today. But I'd gladly do 5 home repairs to having to do the job you just did. Glad there are guys like you who actually know how to make that repair.
Hi Wes. 6 hours comparing to a all new rear axle. Think you did a great job 👏
Your my favorite youtube channel, Wes! Your never boring! Thanks!
first one of these videos I've seen.. I'm mechanical but not a mechanic. This guy's attention to detail got my attention. You can tell years of expertise was at play here. And the tools! must be $$ up the gazoo there! awesome video, Wes!
Smell-o-Vision will be great though, I have grown up on a farm in South Africa 200 miles from the nearest town and we fixed all our equipment ourselves. Mostly we just relied on the neighbors' knowledge and guess the rest, but the smell of oil, grease and diesel still remind me of those days. Thank you Wes for showing me where we went wrong and where we guessed right. One time our 1950 Fordson tractor started knocking furiously, so we discovered the big-end bearing was worn out. We had no replacement bearing, so we installed buffalo hide cut correctly and soaked in water. It lasted for 6 hours which tied us over until someone went to town. Good old days.
I’ve said it before and say it again I wish you were my mechanic. Love how thorough your work ethic is. You’re a good man Wes.
Great video Wes. Thank you for sharing the content. I’ll never do this job, but it sure is fun watching you do it rather effortlessly. Your son is growing fast. Amazing change from videos last year. Soon he’ll be helping his dad, in a productive way 🤣
Dang, that's a huge job! Seems longer than 6 hours, stealership double at least if they'd even touch it. Always a great value and definitely knows his stuff! Great job as always!
Being the owner of a completely different truck brand 8 years newer, I found this video very useful. I watched it all. Thank you! If I ever come across a 2011 F250 broken down for this issue on the side of the road I'll tell him what to tell the mechanic.
*sludge comes out drain plug* My brain: "THERES YOUR PROBLEM LADY!"
Good ol' Eric O. at South Main Auto!
Bearing spinning in the housing and Wes says "there is no easy way to fix that." Then he suggests grinding the cap and line boring it!?Wes, Wes, Wes, you act like a man who has never made a shim from an beer can. That's an easy fix brother. It's like using a piece of leather belt to fix a rod bearing or a piece of emery cloth wedged in a wiper arm stub shaft to keep it from slipping. I mean sawdust in the oil pan, pepper in the radiator.... oh I can go on all day. Jk'in you did the right thing man but for the record a beer can and green locktite she'd been good as new :). Cheers buddy!
Spotted Cow comes in a can too.
Or Yuengling.
We call that the “Chicago Rebuild”, a tube of super glue and a sixer of Milwaukee’s Best…
@@WatchWesWork Had a Dana 44 out of a Jeep years ago with the same deal. Got some copper foil ~0.001" thick and wrapped the bearing race with it. Heard from a friend of a friend that that Jeep is still chuggin' away.
Man, I know how hard it is to incorporate your family into a youtube life. Let alone your business. My hats off to you for making it happen for our entertainment.
Awesome video.
Looked like some real carnage in that rear end.
Even a surgeon of mechanical skills couldn’t rebuild that carnage..
13:30 i helped a friend with a rarer 1920's diff for a merc, by creating a locking point system with braze. Holes drilled in the base of the diff case and then pegs brazed on the outer races of the smaller, but closest equivalent bearings we could find. The unmodified fit was just as loose as what you're presenting here. That was some years ago, and no issues so far. If done carefully, brazing the race doesn't warp it too much. Caveat, it does deform somewhat, so a fitted truncated cone was fabbed before so we can hone the face back into spec, which wasn't that difficult.
There's more than one way to skin a cat, plenty of way. I mean, you could even clad the bearing holders with braze and hone that.
in that instance I agree with you, cause for you you're skinning a cat that's the only cat in the world and it has to work, for Wes it's pretty much your regular ol' tabby and he just needs to get it done cheap and quick, he got the repair done probably for less than just parts the other way
Always enjoy your videos. You get right to the point. Not like some of the other you tubers who think that they are Hollywood directors with the long dragged out opening of the video.
Amen. They love to hear them TALK. Instead of getting to the point and getting the task started and done. When I see that. I just don't watch them.
If I needed someone who talks. I'd rather talk to me grandson and listen to him talk and ask questions. ❤
Enjoyed it, Wes. Thanks for letting us look over your shoulder.
One of my fathers work trucks, a 2009 gmc 1500, lost all it rear diff fluid when the cover rotted. He heard a whining and soon found out. Got a new cover, put fluid back in and 5 years later it still whines just like it did when it lost all its fluid but has held together strong. Hahaha
30:40 FRAM OIL! man I thought they only made filters…. You said those bearings were fine but now they can’t be with a fram product…
Audio fade out as the lift went up, subtle, nice!
Thanks, I learned a lot. The best part was the ending with your family. The definition of precious.
Thanks for sharing your family, now I know why you work so hard. They're perfect. Good job bud.
when these break lines came out easy I think you're can say "I'll be dipped" :)
I have never seen FRAM gear oil in any of my auto parts stores. This is a new one for me. And very good for you on installing new U bolts, some people will not do that.
Car Quest and Advance are switching to it. Just like Die Hard batteries.
I heard that FRAM bought the Carquest factories and just slapped their logo on it? Someone here I'm sure will fill us in
Dear Mr. Wes.
👍👌👏 Very well done again and as always (video and work). Really nice that you helped your customers by using a rear axle from a scrapyard/junkyard. As always: Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health to all of you.
Another great film Wes, thanks for taking the time to share. 🖖👍👊
We don't need no plastic drain pan.
We don't need no drip control.
Hey! Mechanic! Just Let Those Big Parts Fall!
All in all we're bound to break them all.
A real mechanic knows how to tie a clove hitch!
Momma didn't raise no fool.
Good work, my man. You are very talented and skilled. It's neat to see your son being interested in his book.
The editing from forklifting the old axle out to raising the new-old axle in place was pretty cool.
It’s cute seeing your son, he’s right about my son’s age. Time to get him doing some apprentice work prepping the vehicles for you LOL
I noticed you covered the license plate with a glove, A suggestion, have Mrs WWW make you a license plate something that has you logo on it, and if it had a couple or three magnets secured to the back side of it, that would help it cover the customers plate. Just a thought.
How are you going to stick magnets to an aluminum license plate?
Definitely can’t let the public see the license plate 🤣
@@whatitis99 In my state, they are still metal, AKA steel for now.
@@whatitis99 bolts are not aluminum
Sell yourself.
This is not greedy, this is good practice for a CZcamsr.
Dude! Clove hitch on that sway bar - excellent use of exactly the correct knot. Also, removing and relocating old and new diffs - you must be really amazing at Pickup Sticks! What absolute finesse with that forklift! 👍🔧🧰🚗
Excellent video Wes :) also had replaced my 2 axles in his 2011 Ford heavy duty 1/2 ton 4×4 truck 4 door one and had 285.000 miles back 2 years ago ! We had get 2 junk yards and swap over and totally 14 hours fix up and 6.2 litre great motor and 6 speed Automatic transmission too heard a lots nice stuff about them !
The trials of working alone are real, I deal with it every day too, makes you smarter I guess, people often ask '' how did you do that ".
IMO you made the right call putting a different axle in. Short of line-boring those bearing caps there was no real way to fix it and line-boing is just way too costly to justify it.
Wes, love how you explain the work and variety. I feel for you working in the rust belts. The few rusty cars I've worked on just plain sucked.
Yep - my 60 Pontiac's bearings are also sealed off from the axle grease. Wish it was like this too. But that differential - what a beast and no cover to inspect w/o taking the nose off. Glad I found your videos. Hope you get 1-million subs soon.
Great job Wes Thanks for sharing 👍 👏
Excellent decision on the rebuild vs junk yard housing, Great video and editing. You are a great teacher of mechanics. After all the metal in the rear I would worry forever about the use of the housing with latent metal migrating into the bearings and gears. You are the best.\
A good cleaning will take care of it. Any small amount left over will be cought by the magnet on the diff cover. Just try and get out what is reasonably feasible to do. You will be replacing the fluid after about 500 miles due to break in procedures.
@@williamallen7836 My concern is always the residual amount of metal that can migrate to the axle wheel bearings. Not too many mechanics wash out the rear end tubes like 16 inch guns on a battleship.
@@tonyrum5808 There really is no need for cleanliness to that degree. A basic 20 minute clean is enough. Anything that would be left will be so fine that it will cause no harm, and picked up by the magnet. It will look like what is on the magnet after the first 500 mile brake in gear oil change. They are designed to deal with very fine metal shavings that are produced between gear oil changes. Hence the magnet to catch the stuff that will cause damage until the next gear oil change.
My pinion bearing was destroyed far beyond the one in this video, and a basic cleaning got the bits that would cause damage. The roller cage was in about 1K small pieces. When I rebuilt the 10 bolt in my Camaro I used 3 to 4 cans of break cleaner. Prior to this I bolted the diff cover on with the center section & pinion gear removed. I shot some kerosene down both axle tubes as a general flush that removed most of the bits. Then used a broom handle to push kerosene soaked rags from the wheel to the center section, and pulled them out ware the pinion gear used to be. Similar to cleaning a gun. Once very little to no metal shavings could be seen, I started spraying break cleaner to flush any very small shavings to the center section. Removed the cover, the magnet cought most of it. So I cleaned the cover. Then with the pinion end pointing upwards I sprayed down through it to clear the gear oil passage out. Then sprayed out the rest of the center section. A quick spray of wd-40 down the axel tube, and the center section to prevent rust while I worked on the rebuild. After the 500 mile breakin the only shavings on the magnet was the very fine shavings from the pinion & ring gear breaking in. Looked almost like mud on the magnet. There's no need to worry so much as long as a basic cleaning job is done.
10/10, again. Lighting, sound and comment all excellent. Grazie Mille!
greatest intro, the fluid is jacked, awesome vid as always
Just another great video, Wes.
Your patience continues to amaze me.
How one person can put up with so many rusted, frozen, or otherwise stuck bolts and fittings without throwing something is shocking.
There is a special place above for people like you. Your problem solutions are becoming legendary.
Congrats on another job well done.
Thanks for sharing.
Oh yeh, he just edits out the part where the impact, wrenches, pry bars, etc. go flying across the shop along with a few choice expletives.
im always fascinated by people in the south who see a little rust and panic. charge way more give up lol. dude come to northern ontario. there's a good reason the drop out rate in the trade is over 95% in first 2 years now. the ones who make it through though! ;)
If you find yourself throwing things it's time to find another line of work.
@@maplebones Carpenters throw hammers, football players throw helmets, hockey players break stick, baseball players throw bats and the beat goes on an on, it's called frustration
@@maplebones if you never let your frustration lose, you're going to end up dead
Wes, I’d work for you for free to learn all the stuff you know. You’re an amazing mechanic and I enjoy your dry sense on humor too!
enjoy watching you work and the condition of the shop, just like my favorite now retired Mechanic..
Beautiful family , great video !
I just rebuilt a gm 7.5 in my firebird and wow what a difference in part size ! That crush sleeve is massive. Good call ditching that axle I wouldn’t bother trying to do anything with that bearing race spinning.
As soon as I saw the front race damage I thought of finding another one from the wreckers.
It doesn’t make sense to even try to reuse that housing.
You probably knocked off 4 to 6 hours off from not having to get new parts and rebuilding the entire unit.
Nice job!
If the yunkyard waves accountability, you are accountable?
Most excitement I had all day. Thanks Wes!
Really enjoy watching you do your thing !
Another great job Wes, my only suggestion is you should have used a lube locker cover gasket (20 bucks) and you should have installed the aluminum diff cover from ford (60 bucks).
On a side note for that 10.5" to fail under 100k it had to have been submerged a time of two and left with water mixed oil. These axles are nearly bomb proof....
Man what never happens for me is hitting a wrench with a hammer and not breaking the wrench. That's some master mechanic skill on display there. I've broken every major brand of wrench doing that.
Good video. It’s always good to see Mrs Whiteknuckles. Keep em coming. 🥸👍🔧
I'm happy that you didn't have the same issue I had with my 2012 Ram 1500 after an axle swap. Mine was bent in an accident, so swapped in a used axle from a scrap yard. Drove it about 10 miles and the pinion bearing blew. Had to get another second hand axle and start all over.
It appears as though there was water intrusion into the diff, and afterward the truck may have sat undriven for a period of time which caused the bearings to become fused (rusted) to their races, causing the races to spin. Great video!
You might be on the right track..........I would agree
Does water intrusion cause the gear oil to get foamy? When I did my trucks diff at 180k miles it was foamy like that.
Just FORD built explains it all
The plugged breather tells me the truck saw plenty of water and mud.
When you have questions like that bearing fitup issue, dont hesitate to reach out to the pakastani truck guys, they have some creative ways of solving problem :)
Well, that's a totally different situation. New parts and salvage parts aren't readily available there for cheap. It costs less in most cases there to actually do a machine job with metal build-up to put a piece of equipment back into service where a new or used axle/transmission/etc, would be infeasible. They do some of that kind of machine shop repair work at the place I work right now, but it's usually on parts that aren't readily available for purchase anymore. Like equipment from the 1960s, 70s, and obscure truck equipment from the 80s.
Beer can shims, or build it up with a stick welder, grind it back to spec with a worn out grinding wheel.
@@WatchWesWork I don’t think they drink beer, must be soda cans.
Another very interesting video bro, differentials were something I never had anything to do with. A nice cameo from the brake bleeding service too. Safe travels up your way.
Plenty of light and in focus, well done, good videography.
I have a similar hub on my Ford. The oil slinger behind the bearing ate itself and took out the bearing/oil seal. I reassembled without the slinger. If I understand it's function correctly it's intended job is to divert oil away from the seal. Not to oil the bearing so much. Good Video Wes! 👍. PS you're right the seals do suck, even with the Ford tool it's a pia.
It's surely not an essential component.
My 2004 srw f350 does not have that oil slinger. When I replaced the backing plates a couple years ago all it had was the seal on both sides
slingers are to lube the bearing, when oil level is low(up a hill) it grabs oil and slings it the upper portion and it travels down the bearing thus lubing it,
With this video, you don’t need smell-o-vision
Probably would have smelled like sulfur soaked in rancid pond water. Pretty much sums up the kind of smell you get when you have past-due for a change axle oil, mixed with water.
Yea, when your talking about more money than it would cost to buy a complete axle, there is no point in fixing that one. Thank you for doing this video. I have never worked on a diff before, and I haven't seen many people do videos on them. Thanks.
love how you can just make out the DO THE JOB RIGHT as your putting the hub seal in .................... great videos keep em comeing
I've seen some pretty bad diff lube but holy smokes, Yikes cha ching
I think the reason they did use grease in the axle bearings is the different amount of static load. Grease can better withstand static loads there while the diff bearings do carry much less static load and thus can run in oil.
Modern oil can be mixed accordingly for the high static loads.
Also, grease can tolerate some amount of water content in the cavity, while oil basically gets milky. That is what killed this axle in the first place - so if it had used grease it would still work.
The grease will quickly get washed out by the diff oil. The Dana 30 in my Volvo wagon has an inner oil seal that keeps the oil out of the wheel bearing, allowing it run in grease only.
@@maplebones well yeah, you need to keep the system you have. You can't just put axle grease into an axle bearing which is supposed to run in oil.
But that wasn't my point here.
When he says "Yeah, that's probably not good" you know it'll be good!
You're welcome Wes and family including Max!! 🐕
17:08 Junk Yards here in Europe do the same. Especially in recent years, it's become more and more difficult to find old parts. Unless you have friends on the inside and good relations, you're stuffed if you have old stuff. CV19 hasn't made things easier either.
Keeping those carrier bearings in place while under severe loads seems to be a constant problem with heavy pickups, no matter the brand.
I went the more expensive route on my 1st generation Dodge ... a Jasper rebuilt. Re-fitted carriers, installed with bearing locker. The original 5 speed transmission was replaced with a brand new 4500 HD rather than simply rebuilding or replacing the Getrag. Both were painful to the wallet, but that pain has only been once for each in close to half a million miles, a lot of those pulling much more than the truck was originally rated for. Everyone else would have been through 5 transmissions and at least 3 rear ends by then.
I think another reason for the longevity I've gotten is because, as I learned more, I changed my driving habits. Constantly trying to get more than you should reasonably expect out of machine, for the most part, only leads to premature wear. "It's a workhorse, not a racehorse." It will plow a field all day. But if you put it in the Kentucky Derby, it will be dead before it gets halfway around the track.
Talking about a bearing locker, are you talking about a retainer that blocks the preload shims in place? On my 04 wrangler d44 rear axle the preload shims are outside the bearings and held in place solely by interference/preload force, though i dont think they slip out completely due to the diff cover. I have read views that the carrier bearing preload should be very tight on assembly, and failure from too much preload is rare or nonexistant. I believe that was from the Randys ring and pinion website.
@@connor3288 I'm not sure, but I think the locker was used between the bearing outer races and the case. Prevent movement under heat/stress, remove any chance of having the race spin in the case.
I know the transmission man that installed my 4500HD told me that he had a jig that would literally spread the case to make removing the ring gear/spider gear/bearing package possible "without resorting to the use of high explosives ..." I think (not certain, because it came to me by hearsay) manufacturer outfitted repair facilities have, or had, rather specialized equipment (unitaskers) that would have been expensive and impractical for most small repair shops to have. Certainly explains the popularity for swapping out the entire unit rather than repairing it yourself.
I keep thinking you need one of those laser rust zappers. At least then you'd have a fighting chance. That Illinois rust is savage.
Excellent~Wes loves rust! Nice to see you "Lovely Assistant"!
Bearings have a rated capacity and speed for oil lubed and grease packed. Generally a grease packed bearing has a lower rated speed. Grease packed bearing have a higher dynamic load capacity, if memory serves me correctly.
BTW, I asked you a question about my Hemi 5.7, and yes, the lifter on cylinder #3 is not working! I got all the parts, and I`ll star the surgery this weekend. wish me luck. LOL
Good luck!
Good luck brother you got this
It's a dodge be an easy fix. Hemi is a great
Wes that was extremely satisfying to watch, there’s just something about a lot of wrenching being done by an expert!, great job👍🇮🇪
Kuddos Wes I always tighten first then loosen, works EVERY time!