6.0 Power Stroke won't Start after $7500 in Repairs
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2023
- This 2005 Ford F-350 with a 6.0 Power Stroke cranks but will not start. It recently had major repairs, which is actually a clue.
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ausie. .i have an 02 s/duty, 4.2tdi. canadia got some, & the 4 cyl version in u.k. i think.. there a german tractor engine built in brazil.. fitted to silverado,s. as well.. bullett proof. will tow 4.5t. no computer, no glow plugs, all mechanical. . i fitted a bigger,cough,,turbo,,td06. dyno, has 700nm, 175kw.. heaps for aus..13LT 100.. 35,s. 4.11 diffs. ZF 5 sp..needs a 6 sp..
This remains to me anyways the *ONLY* full size Super Duty I would never *EVER* buy nor show any interest in *EVER* repairing *EVER.*
Wes is a magnet for these “if I can’t fix it, send it to Wes….he’s smart enough yet dumb enough to fix it!” Type of vehicles…. I sure wish your customers appreciate not only your skills but your willingness to wrestle with these pigs.
Yeah.Let them make all the easy gravy train jobs and leave the crap to Wes
He endures the pain for our entertainment 😊
Ah, IPR on a 6.0l is low hanging fruit to collect. He said he was turning down the oil pan job so he is learning 🤣
Cadillac owner for sure
2005 was the first year for superduty coil springs up front.... at least on the 4wd
Trademark pencil sketches are on an all time high-!!! Great way to learn how the system works and as usual a clear and understandable explanation from our in house mechanical maestro. Thanks Wes.
That was an impressive diagnosis. It’s a joy being allowed to join you on your mechanical adventures!
Out here in western Queensland Australia (semi desert) you can find 30 year old trucks without a speck of rust, but dust and pebbles from the dirt roads bring their own delights.But nothing remotely comparable to your rust issues. Well done again.
I thought he was joking about differential covers and oil pans rusting out - that kind of thing is unheard of where I live!
I have a 15 year old box truck that needs an oil pan . .... I live in New Hampshire. It sucks 😂
@@kw9849doesn't happen in the Southern US, either. Mostly only up north where is snows a lot and they have to salt the roads. My 21year old excursion is rust free.
man i wish i lived closer, i would love to have you as my mechanic, you are so much better then anyone ive ever seen, love your videos!
I think the same thing every time I watch his videos. I’m in the Midwest (Michigan), too far for a tow.
A good and honest mechanic is worth his weight in gold.
I'll "third" that (or whatever number in line I am).
for real im a mechanic myself & i just rip people off all day
Diesel Tech Ron (rest in peace) recorded great power stroke diagnostic / repair videos worth checking out. Great video as always Wes, thanks.
DTR did more to save these 6.0s than anyone else. I still refer to his videos to this day.
Miss watching him. He put out some great info. Shout out to DTR
@@suzuki230 👍
yes he did, always appreciative of him and others that post things like this for us DIYers
One very talented individual. I had to watch Bill over at Powerstroke, helps tribute to him a while back.
6.0s have a cult following. Strong bottom end and beautiful sound and make decent power. I don’t see them ever going away..
At one time or another, every 6.0 will reach a point where it WILL NOT START! I know, I have 2 of them and have had every 6.0 liter problem there has ever been. Great video!
That dodge isn't headed for the crusher. It's headed to a used car lot for $15k!
Wes, thanks again for a great video! Perfect example of thinking through the symptoms and likely causes before wrenching. Now, all that truck needs is a new body, then a new frame to put under it, and finally a new engine. I would not want to be on the same road when those frame - body connections let go.
That's the hard part. I was thinking perhaps all this 7500 Dollars in work was done at the height of the covid car bubble. Everyone forgets just how much used cars shot up during covid. People were turning in their old cars and making money on the deal, getting more than they paid for it. The car companies were trying to not let leasers with the option to buy exersize that option during the height of the heady prices.
I met a Russian kid with a 6.4 in the tractor supply lot once. I wish I remembered all he said he’d done to it, but did a ton to the motor. He’d bought the truck dirt cheap with low miles and it was super clean. Already had put 140k of highway towing on it, and he said if it blew up tomorrow it still would have been a great investment. It had a cool red and white pin stripe on it too. Real smart looking 1 ton. Too bad they put motors in them it takes a genius to make run right.
That was not a guess my man, that was skill and experience! Great stuff sir.
I was a CAT tech, working on 3116 and 3126 HEUI systems. I believe the components are BOSCH. This guy is fortunate you accepted working on his PLOW TRUCK. Now he needs to source a desert/west coast truck to repower with his rebuilt powertrain to recover his repair costs. Good job WES!
Dear rogerhowell
👍👌👏 Exactly what I thought instantly too. I see the scrapyard channel "Adventures made from scratch" crush many rust free pickup trucks, vans, SUV's etc.. Maybe the transportation costs are simply too high!? The car that Wes shows at the end definitely deserves a new/used frame respectively at least a good repair/welding job. At least in my personal opinion because the cabin has already been repaired.
Best regards, luck and health in particular.
@@Chr.U.Cas2216come to any scrap yard in Southern California and they're all rust free...I drive a 23 year old jimmy 😊
Your videos do a good job of letting the viewer imagine the 'trauma' of looking into the engine bay of a 20 year old truck with a million possibilities of why it won't start. It's actually kinda horrifying.
I lived in Illinois most of my life and still have no idea why we would dump so much money into our vehicles when they were so far gone they were dangerous to drive . LOL A friend of mine put seven thousand into a 2005 car two years ago and the frame broke in three places within a year . Totaled . Not wrecked , just broken beyond repair . LOL
A nice win Sir . Now that truck can survive almost another year .
I'm a little rusty on these 6.0 , proceeds to draw a detailed sketch of how the inyection system works, also that is a caterpillar brain child, and additional trivia.. you are something else Wes..
*Probably easy to pull the cab, when there's nothing keeping it on!* 😂 In all seriousness, nice work with the diagnosis Wes 🙂👍 Happy wrenching my friend 🔧🔩
It's almost to the point of needing a ratchet strap to hold the cab one. Though I don't know what you would hook it to.
@@WatchWesWork you can make it work
@@WatchWesWorkWell duh, the piece of wood under there. Couple of drywall screws and he’s out the door. Or maybe through the floor when the cab comes off. 🤔
@@WatchWesWork When I saw the forklift under the plow mount, I had a trepidation about the frame.
If the heads were really done, my bet is they did it cab on. Otherwise that poor pickup would have just crumbled trying to lift that cab off.
Only a real pro like you can make these pencil sketches almost self explanatory and so even I can understand how a power stroke fuel injection works!
Thanks for this lesson 👏 - can't wait for the next class 👍
My IPR plugged up and shut me down going up a steep hill on a busy road with a 9,000 pound travel trailer behind me and no shoulder. That was a fun day.
I gotta believe that there is nothing Wes can't fix. He knows a little about everything.
If they dredged up the USS Monitor, he could probably get it going again.
I'm a contractor, I have one 6.0 left. You are correct, any major problems at this point and it's scrap heap time. The truck it is is still solid so maybe a Cummins swap.
What really surprised me is that the diesel wasn't red when you were priming the system with the filter cap off.
😂😂😂😂
He wouldn't have put it in the video otherwise ;)
Mechanics really are unsung geniuses. This work is no joke. I can do your typical tires, brakes, oil changes and fluid flushes but watching guys work under the hood is crazy and I just feel lost.
Nice work. This is a pretty common failure point on these older rigs. The guys at FICMRepair are pretty good with the 6.0L rigs and they sell pretty much any part a guy could want. Heads, injectors, turbos, etc..... If you own a 6.0L get a FICM tune!
I'm so thankful that I have a 99 Powersmoke 7.3 in a rust-free truck. Kudos to you for figuring out the problem quickly and efficiently solving it. Now put that big brain to work solving the problem of rust, whydoncha!
I have a 95 E350 with the 7.3 , 48,000 original miles and no rust. Wes has a video on fixing the ICM problems I had with it. It used to be an ambulance for the Warren Connecticut vol fire department.
"the problem of rust" when manufactured, the metal frame should be coated-electroplated with zinc or nickle . IDK why it isn't done.
@@markae0it pays to build trucks that rust out
Undercoating makes a huge difference
@@markae0 Funny thing is Hot Wheels does it to their cars all the time
Kiddo is getting really good, I predict it won't be much longer before he's wielding tools right alongside Wes! 😁😎
14:00 Wes, I love the smug look on your face when you finally got it to run.
As always, your knowledge, determination to serve your customers and your good humour are all impressive. Keep it up Wes, you’re definitely one of the good guys. 😊
Any time - I’ll give you a call. P
Mechanics like you are a godsend. I’ve had a few over the years. I have a business that requires 4 or 5 pickup trucks and 2 or 3 box trucks and a semi. I always make sure to send the gravy jobs to them as well as the hard stuff. Yes, I could save a few bucks by changing oil and filters and brakes myself. But if I make sure the shop gets those jobs they’re likely to find little things I wouldn’t see and they also are more inclined to take the sob jobs.
You should focus more on using those vehicles. You got enough to where you should keep expanding and not focus on saving the pennies if it's losing you time you could be working / enjoying life.
But you seem more successful than me anyways
Curmudgeon? No, you Sir are a dying art. Someone who looks at a problem and has a plain on how to fix it.
My 6.0 is the backbone of my business, 2006 lariat with 180,000 miles. Completely stock other than the ficm, but I do change the oil and flush the radiator religiously. Still runs like the day I got it, and gets great fuel mileage.
Went through something similar. Engine was shutting off dead when I would let off the gas and get off the interstate. Changed the IPR, that fixed it for a while. Ultimately the problem was the STC fitting to the HPOP. It was leaking, changing the IPR blew it out all the way. Before that it was the FICM kicking the bucket. The reason they didn't change the body mounts when they took it off is because they're like $1000 for a set.
Wes, you are like the Charles Darwin of the automotive world. Seeing natural selection at work, one old rust bucket at a time. Keep 'em coming!
I have a late 2004, it has leaf springs. I think 2005 is the first year for springs. My 6.0 is in great shape. Meticulous maintenance is the key to keeping them running. It also helps to live in BC Canada, wear the winters don't require allot of salt on the road.
I went on a trip to Anchorage and it was pretty incredible how many of this era (and older) of trucks were still in really good shape, and the folks there explained that it's because they don't salt the roads, they put gravel down instead.
I've never seen so many quadrasteers in my life
Wes, the man with the plan, knowledge, experience and tenacity to accomplish anything. Well almost! Thanks for all of your postings and take care of you and your family!
Love all your content, Wes! Please keep it coming! Even basic jobs like brakes and rotors would be fun to watch with your color commentary.
The money some folks throw into this junk is amazing. Good show Wes, THANKS.
Until you look at the cost of a new diesel truck 😛
The heart wants what the heart wants.
@@Zupdood2 Thats the problem, new and even used trucks are a ridiculous money. If you buy a nice used truck chances are you'll still be putting money into it soon. especially if its a diesel.
@tomkelleher1546 This customer, after Wes' repair will have put damn near $10,000 into a pos truck that's rusted damn near to smithereens. That is not a rational decision. If you can't afford a new diesel truck, you damn sure can't afford to keep an old one running.
I agree, yank the motor and trans out and the rest of that truck is junkyard bound.
As a long time watcher of your videos,.... Your diagnosis of problems is second to none.
It's pretty cool how much your drawing skill has improved over the last few years to show us more information. I look forward to all the future artwork and random vehicle shenanigans!!!
Nailed it, as usual. 😊 Thanks for taking us along...Pray all are well.
Love the sound of a 6.0 powerstroke, those injectors sounded like were firing right on cue, and everybody already knows the turbo whistle you can hear from up the block.
Your knowledge gained from experience is invaluable. We need more mechanics like you.
I agree, Wes is a wizard for trouble shooting and fixing impossible junkers.
I appreciate your videos. You are thorough and you explain things well. Thank you for sticking around
Great video Wes I always enjoy when you post a new one.
Another great Sunday morning "coffee with Wes" session. Just seems to roll the week up nicely when you can watch Wes address what the other guys couldn't.. Oh, cup's empty, time for round two. Thanks for the share Wes!
You can change the oil pan without pulling the engine - not fun but can be done. I did it. I did it to replace the rusting oil pan.
I appreciate all the effort you go into to diagnose a vehicle properly and you don't cut any corners!👍
Thank you! I wouldn't have thought about that!!
Good Job, Wes!!
Here's a good story. 2008 6.4 with 285 k on it idled for 2 hours at an auction. Bought it for $6500 (body and interior were pristine). Drove another 4 k after seafoam and new rocker arms. Finally puked water into the oil. Decided to keep it and bought new warrantied 6.4 from Ford for 12 k and 2 k to install. Engine covered to 100k (we will see).
When HEUI made its debut in ~'93 or so on the 7.3 powerstroke, there was nothing else like it. 20,000+ PSI injection pressure, full timing and duration control independent of engine RPM and cam timing. Ground breaking for the time. Everyone else was using rotary injection pumps or unit injectors which had a lot of limitations. But the 6.0 greatly over complicated the situation and tried pushing the technology too far. The 6.0 should have been a common rail engine like the Duramax or Cummins of the time.
Ironically those Fiat/Chrysler/Jeep "Multi-Air" engines actuate the intake valves using a hydraulic piston/pump assembly that rides on the cam, and a solenoid controls the opening/closing event. Very similar to the HEUI injectors actually. No oil = no valve movement.
I've heard rumors that International avoided common rail because they were trying to use the heui system to control the valves and not have a cam shaft but they never got it to work. No idea if that is true.
@WatchWesWork
1994 is a black sheep year.
in 94 you have 2 versions of the IDI without and with turbo.
And halfway through the year 1994.5 the computerized HEUI
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2003 is the other black sheep year, bolth 7.3 and 6.0
Pressure on the 7.3 never exceeded 4000 psi at full throttle. I worked at Navistar in Indianapolis from the 7.3 through the 6.4. Back in the day every 10th 7.3 was tested on our dyno as time went on it was about every 50 for the 6.0 and every 100 of the line for the 6.4.
@@cwarmes1105 Injection control pressure is not the same thing as injection pressure. Actual pressure at the nozzle tip is amplified by the intensifier piston.
Brilliant analysis and fix...you are unique...keep the videos coming
Nice video as usual Wes, your methodical way of diagnosis gets to the problem while going easy on the customer.
Thank you for this public service reminder. The more time passes. . the more I forget what a PITA my 6.0 was. Thanks for reminding me that I don't need another one, no matter how nice it is.
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Thanks for showing us Wes that if you can do it, we can do it. Thanks for not giving up and trekking on.
That was more than impressive. When I see over complicated systems like this it literally makes me feel very apprehensive. Thanks for sharing.
Take a multimeter and check the resistance between the two negative battery posts.
The negative runs to the engine block on the passenger side, the drivers side negative runs to the drivers side frame rail some place.
Over time, there will be resistance between the two.
I believe the ECM is run off the drivers side battery....
Run a fat cable between the two negative battery posts.
The local farmers and tradesmen are lucky to have a shop that can fix stuff! The one thing that just confounds me is that the 4 or 5 manufacturers of pickup trucks here in the USA feel like they can charge 45 to 90 thousand dollars for a truck that may not last long enough to get it paid off! I think an expensive truck should last a couple decades at the very least.
FORD, Shoveoritleave, RAM etc can make the pickup out of the most corrosive resistance materials known, if the owner isnt proactive in counteracting the effects of salt etc, those materials can and will fail.
@@harveylong5878I think what he was getting at is the cheap plastic junk on all the trucks will fail before the body rusts out
I learned something about circular dependency. Thanks Wes!
Nice video, thanks.
I'm old enough to remember when diesels were good and something you might want to have. Unlike now.
Fixing rusty pick up trucks - many people way overpaid for vehicles in the past few years - now they're still making payments on rotted out worn out junk. I don't know what they were thinking.
“More work done on it than Joan Rivers!” Well sir I’m here to tell ya, it only took 5 minutes or so to clean the I-Pad screen off from all the coffee that got spray on it and me after that statement, thank goodness for screen protectors. Nice diagnosis on the problem and good explanation on how the system works sir, thanks for the video sir, from this point forward no coffee while watching your videos🙄😏😉😂
Yeah that was pretty funny. It made me laugh.
Dear Mr. Wes
👍👌👏 Aaaaand you did it again (helped where others couldn't). Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards, luck and especially health to all of you.
I always love when you do a diagram!!! I don’t always understand everything you’re talking about but I always love hearing someone who is an expert in any field explaining something. I really appreciate your videos
Very nicely done Wes. Brilliant work. Cheers.
You're correct by assuming that the oil pan can be removed without taking the engine out. I just replaced my oil pan gasket by removing the engine mounts nuts, radiator fan shroud bolts and lifting the engine by the harmonic balancer. Lifting the engine one inch and a half was sufficient. There are many videos in youtube covering this oil pan removal. BTW, good troubleshooting procedure.
Another successful repair. Good job Wes. 👍👍
Very nice work Wes , you definitely know what you’re doing great work…
Nice work Wes. Enjoyed that. Thanks 👍
Nicely done, Wes!
I just found your channel and man you are awesome! Looking forward to exploring your channel.
Yahoo, way to start a Sunday morning. Thanks as always for the great content. Cheers from WA state. From one Wes to another keep up the good work.
That little clark fork lift seems to be an invaluable member of the fleet. The first video of yours that I saw was you rescuing that thing, glad to see its still chugging along
My friend had the f-250 Harley Davidson with the flames. Absolutely beautiful truck, but he never really had it long enough to have any issues at all.
Brilliant! You are quite the artist and the art really helped me understand how that system worked.
Wow great job, Your experience shows! I really love your drawings they make it really easy to understand your diagnosis, Thanks for sharing!👍
Having lived most of my life on the west coast, I’m always astonished when I see the amount of rust on the vehicles in your videos. I’ve always admired people who keep their vehicles going, unlike the throwaway culture we have in the US, and more like Cubans who keep 1950’s American sedans going to this day.
When I first saw these rusted vehicles on your videos, I looked on CZcams for businesses that specialize in repairing rusted out vehicles by welding new steel into box beams and body undercarriages, and found out there are several… these are really interesting videos to me.
What I’m wondering Wes is a few things; have you ever done these kinds of repairs yourself, as I know you hate wasting things; and, do you have these types of businesses in your area that your clients use and you recommend?
getting involved in major frame work usually involves the DOT, plus heavy liability concerns. most welding shops wont touch frames here, they dont want the mountains of red tape, paper work and liability. lawyers will go after anyone thats had a hand in a vehicle that is an accident. a welded frame /repaired frame gets lawyers a raging hard on
@@harveylong5878
So maybe it’s more of a do-it-yourself industry. 😀
All I can say Wes is that yuo are simply amazing. Your fundamental knowledge of these systems is unbelievable. Thanks for the great work you do to explain them to the rest of the uninformed world.
@officialWatchWesWork. scammer. Don't you guys ever give up?
Wes, you are the man!! I'll second the motion that you are impressive with the knowledge you have on not just these....but anything you work on....good job!!
it actually looked like it was in good condition from a distance but crazy how rusty it is underneath
The rust hiders aka fender flares give away the true condition pretty quickly.
You can do the pan without removing the engine, you do have to remove the mount bolts on both side then raise it up a few inches and it will slide out after removing the oil pickup, had mine done on my 04 6L a few months ago.
Always good to see one of your videos in the am. Makes for a good day.
That was impressive! Thanks for taking the time to explain everything.
Wes, you always seem to find the problem. Thanks for sharing.
Man, this hits home. I just dropped $7000.00 on non stop issues with my wife’s 2014 Ford Expedition. Finally just dumped the car because my wife kept getting stranded with the kids.
Sorry to hear that, hope y'all get something better.
why do ppl waste money on old Ford/GMs. Just buy a Toyota.
I’m amazed that you have so much knowledge about everything. I love to watch your videos because I always learn something. Love your German short hair also. Brings back memories of our 2 German shorthair’s we owned consecutively. Keep up the great work!
Wes there's only you that draws diagrams and explains it. Love the content. Cheers fella❤
Your reply means a lot. Thankyou
Thanks for sharing your expertise. I bought a 07 6.0 f350, bulletproofed, oil cooler, upgraded radiator.......extensive list here. It has over 230k and runs great. I really appreciate your expertise in this engine. @11:22 pearls of wisdom.
Love the side eye, when it started - Well Done
I’m so impressed with Wes’s knowledge of engines and general vehicles
Desde el video anterior, me gusta la nueva introducción y el desarrollo de la comunicación durante el trabajo.
Es personalizada y directa frente a cámara.
También la forma de diagnosticar y explicar el problema es claro y directo.
Esto le da un alto valor agregado al video👍
Hey Wes. Great video on the 6.0 milkshake maker. I've had those trucks come back after sloppy repairs 2-3 times over a few months due to junk going through the IPR. Nice diag. Loved your explanation on how the pilot valves are dependent on pressure to operate. Great video as always.
Dam bro, hearing you diag was like a work of art. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
Hey Wes 👋, Thanks for the 6.0 video. It was interesting and some need to know information. Thanks again and have a great evening👋
Great Video! Everyone needs to Fluid Film the underside of their vehicles in your area. For the minimum annual cost it is worth it to save expensive vehicles.
Hey Wes, I just subscribed and I thought I'd drop a comment!
It looks like the oil filter cap is one of those taller than stock replacement caps. Those caps and the elongated filters are known for allowing debris through the system and could be the cause of the IPR failure.
I've already learned a thing or two in the videos I just watched and I appreciate your content!
good call
Love your vids! Excellent, style, originality, honesty, knowledge!
I like your style Wes ... even a falling apart rust bucket like that truck, and you are dropping a protector over the door so you can reach in!
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
Can’t say I’m heart broke skipping the 6.0/6.4 years. Went right from a 7.3 powerstroke to a 6.7. Not that the 6.7 is trouble free, but it’s pretty damn solid… at least compared to its last 2 predecessors.
Good job Wes as always! Is that a marshall/leyland tractor on you calenders behind you at the end? Did they even sells those in the us??