A minor point, but the Colt Patterson revolvers were .36 caliber, and not .44 caliber. Again, a minor point in the tale, but one that I was compelled to point out.
Well being a retired gunsmith, among other professions, I specialized in antique and vintage arms. Had contracts with two local museums and one with a major university museum. Patterson revolvers were made in what were called Pocket, Belt, and Holster models. Calibers were .28, .31, .34, and .36. The Patterson model sold to the Republic of Texas, in 1839 was commonly called the Texas Patterson. It, of course, was in .36 caliber. No .44 caliber Patterson revolver was ever produced.
I love historical firearms and have read in great detail about the early rangers and their weapons. It’s always fun noticing the little discrepancies in shows and podcasts
HOKC , fantastic narrating, wonderful storytelling , simply poetry. Great work, as always . I thoroughly enjoy your channel. You nearly bring the old west back to life. Respect from Dublin Ireland 🤝🇮🇪
Thanks for some of the History of the great Commander in the Confederate/Texas Ranger/Us vs Mexico wars Jack Hays fought in. We live in Buda,Tx.,Hays County,the High School is Hays High, and the FM road to the Middle School (Barton)and High School is called Jack C Hays Trail.
We need to keep the history of this time alive and thank you for covering this subject. Also hearing your narration is a welcome test of my vocabulary ❤
40 rangers and some native scouts vs. hundreds of commanche. And the rangers come out victorious, without losing a single person, while the commanche lose a hundred plus warriors. Crazy how many battles went that way.
This is all very surprising to me. I've just recently started to learn about these supposedly unbeatable commanches. That the only reason they were ultimately defeated was due to the depleted buffalo numbers, and the sicknesses the Europeans brought...that NO ONE could overcome their insanely fierce, aggressive, wicked tactics. Very good to see that at least on this occasion, they got their butts handed to them!
@@johnboehmer6683 The Comanche tribes were adept at using bows and arrows, enabling them to fire arrows quickly during combat. This ability was a significant advantage until the emergence of repeater rifles, which changed the dynamics of warfare with their rapid-fire capability.
Unbelievably good!! The best presentation and execution of historical information of Texas, on the early frontier. HOKC has a spell binding show, my attention to the show never falters. Very exciting stuff! Thank you so much!
I admire the tenacity of the Comanches, their bavery in battle and what they are fighting for. But they way they treat their enemies and captives is despicable and unforgivable.
Forgive and move on... despicable, yes. Some nefarious energy/force gripped them mentally, before white men appeared. Comanches were already despised by other tribes/nations and whites used this to their advantage, playing various tribes against the Comanches; this, however, does not negate the horrors the Comanches and other tribes and white men committed. At some point, however, it is time to stop the violence and be peaceful, which Quanah Parker did. And that is amazing and honorable, indeed.
Man, you are a skilled writer, editor, storyteller and narrator!! Thank God for Jack Hays! Thank God for thickets! All the best from beautiful Vancouver, Canada!
That was a really great video sir. I love history especially texas because i'm from here. Please keep the good videos coming. Do you have any videos about the kamanchi themselves?
It’s interesting and nice to see the Rangers found great beauty in the Comanche’s dress. This war chief didn’t seem like a very smart or responsible one. Most chiefs quickly retreated when facing high attrition.
The chiefs irrational persistence was probably due to the importance and scarcity of watering holes…not many around Enchanted Rock, also if u have ever been there it is enchanting and possibly spiritual to the Comanche.
It couldn't have been very often the Comanches got their butts kicked by far inferior numbers. And with that hyper-aggressive fighting style, it's not too surprising, still with a numbers advantage, that they would fight on. They weren't used to losing, it may have been inexperience with it that worked against them also.
@9:40 that's the same tactic armored knights would use to attack enemy pike formations during the pike and shot era, except they had primitive pistols.
My 4th great uncle was John J Grumbles. Capt of the Texas Rangers. Fought at Battle of Brushy Creek. Sold Barton his land. Owned the couple miles of land south of the River Colorado at downtown; owned and operated a ferry before the bridges. There is a small Swedish cabin he built that is on display at Zilker Gardens.
This is the biggest mystery in early Texas folklore, as many dates have been given for this battle and the discrepancies were questioned even at the time. Coming from Corpus, passing through Bandera Pass, and going beyond Enchanted Rock, you would be far north of the Medina River. Paint Rock, TX has on the private Campbell ranch an area known as Paint Rock with pictographs by the Comanches. This was a ceremonial place for them, but it is located on the Concho river, still further on a NW pattern. This is likely the place where this took place. I would love to find the actual place this battle was to have occurred. That’s a long trip on horseback for both parties, but a notorious path of travel for the Comanche raiding parties, in order to get back to the safety of the Llano Estacado.
Excellent videos! I'd be curious if you could speak about the filibuster movement after the Mexican and American war. After reading Blood Meridian, it has made me more interested in western history and I wonder if the real history was as brutally violent and hopeless as Blood Meridian was. Some history can sound like horror stories.
I can't beleive the Comanche could be so foolish as to fight like this. Even the loss of a single warrior could be devasting to an Indian community, the Comanche losing over 100 warriors would have been absolutely devasting to their population which was already rapidly depleting at this point from disease epidemics and constant warfare. Continually making futile charges with the same result every time over and over during the course of 3 days is extremely foolish and seems to go against the way the Comanches fought. A lot of the firsthand sources I've read always stated that the Comanches would always stay out of rifle range if they were fighting against an entrenched enemy because they had no desire to incur unneccessary casualties. The comanche could have easily overwhelmed and killed every single one of the rangers if they had hundreds of warriors there. They should have just done a full charge with all of them them right towards the thicket and not stopped. Of course the first few lines of warriors would have been cut down, but they could have easily overwhelmed them. The Texans wouldn't have had time to reload their single shot rifles in time to fire again, they could have killed more with their reveolvers but they would have only had time to get off a few more shots before being overwhelmed. The stupidest thing they could do would be to keep making charges with smaller bands of warriors where the first line who got in range was always shot down and then retreat. If this story is true this was the stupidest group of Comanches to ever roam the plains.
yes stupid but no exeption, same for Burnside`s piecemeal Attacks ,again and again, at maryes heights. I think the commanche Chieftain/ leader wasnt the brightest.
Agreed 👍 Comanche we’re fearless & bold which made them apparently impatient . As Capt. Hays men were isolated from resuplly of food and ammo , Comanche could have taken a siege against Hay’s men.
Same thing with the Japanese in WWll - that fierce, aggressive, rage and pride-filled means of fighting worked to their detriment in infusing stupidity as a result several times also.
It must be what is known as Paint Rock above the Concho River on the Campbell Ranch, in Paint Rock Texas. This place was a ceremonial gathering area for Comanches for many years. If you travel NW from Corpus, cut through Bandera Pass and ride past Enchanted Rock you are long ways from Bandera Pass. There’s much disinformation about this battle, beginning from the initial accounts. I would love to know and find exactly where this battle was to have taken place.
Can you please do a video focusing on the Caribbean please like the maroons of Jamaica or the slave revolt in Haiti ( which caused France to sell some parts of it’s colonial territory in North America ) it’s honestly quite interesting and it doesn’t get much coverage but it’s a suggestion.
My buddy was at the auction where they sold his gun, it was a 51 Navy. Little John sold it. Est. 500k. During the auction a guy stood up and said, "that's my family's gun". Gaines De Gaffenried probably stole it lol. Little John being the good guy he is passed the lot.
Much to like about what you are doing here, but phrases like “all too apt” to refer to the name of Paint rock take away from great storytelling. It isn’t all too apt - it simply is. Just one example, but the economy of words is so good in some places and out of sorts in others.
I think this actually occured in 1844. Comanche party of about 85. Less than 20 Rangers. First time the Indians were defeated by 36 cap & ball revolvers. Battle ended on the first day. After two fruitless charges. Walker Creek battle. 1846-1848 the Mexican American War occured. Capt Hays was there fighting under General Zachary Taylor. Educate yourself mister.
We have a statue of Jack Hays in our town square in San Marcos TX. A real hero.
I lived in SM for a decade. I know this statue.
A minor point, but the Colt Patterson revolvers were .36 caliber, and not .44 caliber. Again, a minor point in the tale, but one that I was compelled to point out.
I came to the comments to see if anyone else noticed lol
Well being a retired gunsmith, among other professions, I specialized in antique and vintage arms. Had contracts with two local museums and one with a major university museum.
Patterson revolvers were made in what were called Pocket, Belt, and Holster models. Calibers were .28, .31, .34, and .36. The Patterson model sold to the Republic of Texas, in 1839 was commonly called the Texas Patterson. It, of course, was in .36 caliber. No .44 caliber Patterson revolver was ever produced.
I love historical firearms and have read in great detail about the early rangers and their weapons. It’s always fun noticing the little discrepancies in shows and podcasts
I appreciate just learning this detail from you all. Thx.
@@Nowhandles my pleasure sir!
HOKC , fantastic narrating, wonderful storytelling , simply poetry. Great work, as always . I thoroughly enjoy your channel. You nearly bring the old west back to life. Respect from Dublin Ireland 🤝🇮🇪
I've been waiting for this all day best channel on CZcams promise.thank you genuinely
Thank you genuinely! We appreciate you watching.
I’m with you brother. Always looking out for a new HOKC episode!
Thank you!!
After living on a horse ranch for a number of years, I am drawn to these historical stories. Thank you 💛 for telling them so well!!!
Outstanding as always! Thank you 🙏🏿🇺🇸
Thanks for some of the History of the great Commander in the Confederate/Texas Ranger/Us vs Mexico wars Jack Hays fought in.
We live in Buda,Tx.,Hays County,the High School is Hays High, and the FM road to the Middle School (Barton)and High School is called Jack C Hays Trail.
I graduated from hays 2008, in my freshman year they had Yosemite Sam in a confederate uniform as the mascot and the next year they had to change that
We need to keep the history of this time alive and thank you for covering this subject. Also hearing your narration is a welcome test of my vocabulary ❤
Excellent video as always thank you for bringing the story to us
Awesome episode...
Shout out from Detroit...
Detroit! Respect.
40 rangers and some native scouts vs. hundreds of commanche. And the rangers come out victorious, without losing a single person, while the commanche lose a hundred plus warriors. Crazy how many battles went that way.
Superior tactics and equipment will always beat superior numbers
Ambushes can easily turn into such a battle. Never underestimate the value of surprise.
This is all very surprising to me. I've just recently started to learn about these supposedly unbeatable commanches. That the only reason they were ultimately defeated was due to the depleted buffalo numbers, and the sicknesses the Europeans brought...that NO ONE could overcome their insanely fierce, aggressive, wicked tactics. Very good to see that at least on this occasion, they got their butts handed to them!
@@johnboehmer6683 The Comanche tribes were adept at using bows and arrows, enabling them to fire arrows quickly during combat. This ability was a significant advantage until the emergence of repeater rifles, which changed the dynamics of warfare with their rapid-fire capability.
The Victor writes the story
Gripping episode today. Had me on the edge of my seat the whole time as if I wasn't aware of the outcome. Well done.
Thank you for this it's a great tale and as always excellently relayed by yourself. Greetings from Kilkenny R.O.I 🇮🇪
Coffee Time
Watcher nr 80 signing in. Thank you for the mental pictures.
I say it again as many times before, this is top tier storytelling ❤
I was always amazed more horses weren't crushed by the prodigious weight of the ranger's nuts.
Unbelievably good!!
The best presentation and execution of historical information of Texas, on the early frontier. HOKC has a spell binding show, my attention to the show never falters.
Very exciting stuff!
Thank you so much!
Thank you so much!
Great job as usual! Thanks for keeping real History alive.
Excellent as always.Great job at keeping the suspense going.
Wonderful storytelling. Thanks, I really enjoyed it.
Wonderful narration. Thank you.
Yet another masterpiece, thank you!
Appreciate these Men. Great documentary.
Much appreciated
I admire the tenacity of the Comanches, their bavery in battle and what they are fighting for. But they way they treat their enemies and captives is despicable and unforgivable.
Forgive and move on... despicable, yes. Some nefarious energy/force gripped them mentally, before white men appeared. Comanches were already despised by other tribes/nations and whites used this to their advantage, playing various tribes against the Comanches; this, however, does not negate the horrors the Comanches and other tribes and white men committed.
At some point, however, it is time to stop the violence and be peaceful, which Quanah Parker did. And that is amazing and honorable, indeed.
Man, you are a skilled writer, editor, storyteller and narrator!!
Thank God for Jack Hays! Thank God for thickets!
All the best from beautiful Vancouver, Canada!
Well done. Thanks.
man i love this channel
Another great episode.
John coffee tales are my favorite
Wonderful telling of an interesting battle. Three days of fighting and the Comanche continued doing the same on the successful tactic.
Greatly enjoy all of your videos. I get so bored hearing the same stories over and over. Thanks for breathing new life into times past. Great work.
Love your videos! I always look forward to new episodes
Perhaps one of your best episodes. Thanks!
Wow, thanks!
That was a really great video sir. I love history especially texas because i'm from here. Please keep the good videos coming. Do you have any videos about the kamanchi themselves?
Great story! Thanks for sharing
Always phenomenal! Fucking love this channel!
Aqesome episode
It’s interesting and nice to see the Rangers found great beauty in the Comanche’s dress. This war chief didn’t seem like a very smart or responsible one. Most chiefs quickly retreated when facing high attrition.
The chiefs irrational persistence was probably due to the importance and scarcity of watering holes…not many around Enchanted Rock, also if u have ever been there it is enchanting and possibly spiritual to the Comanche.
It couldn't have been very often the Comanches got their butts kicked by far inferior numbers. And with that hyper-aggressive fighting style, it's not too surprising, still with a numbers advantage, that they would fight on. They weren't used to losing, it may have been inexperience with it that worked against them also.
Would make a brilliant film, excellent episode
From Oklahoma I'm always interested in the old west stories, Thanks
@9:40 that's the same tactic armored knights would use to attack enemy pike formations during the pike and shot era, except they had primitive pistols.
My 4th great uncle was John J Grumbles. Capt of the Texas Rangers. Fought at Battle of Brushy Creek.
Sold Barton his land. Owned the couple miles of land south of the River Colorado at downtown; owned and operated a ferry before the bridges.
There is a small Swedish cabin he built that is on display at Zilker Gardens.
This is the biggest mystery in early Texas folklore, as many dates have been given for this battle and the discrepancies were questioned even at the time. Coming from Corpus, passing through Bandera Pass, and going beyond Enchanted Rock, you would be far north of the Medina River. Paint Rock, TX has on the private Campbell ranch an area known as Paint Rock with pictographs by the Comanches. This was a ceremonial place for them, but it is located on the Concho river, still further on a NW pattern. This is likely the place where this took place. I would love to find the actual place this battle was to have occurred. That’s a long trip on horseback for both parties, but a notorious path of travel for the Comanche raiding parties, in order to get back to the safety of the Llano Estacado.
Yes this was a very difficult one to research. Ultimately we came to most of these same conclusions. Kudos on such high-level Texas knowledge!
Good one mate
Good video 👍
Excellent videos! I'd be curious if you could speak about the filibuster movement after the Mexican and American war. After reading Blood Meridian, it has made me more interested in western history and I wonder if the real history was as brutally violent and hopeless as Blood Meridian was. Some history can sound like horror stories.
Were they also able to discern how many were in the automobile that made the tracks at 6:26?
The Patterson revolver was chambered in. 36 caliber not. 44
A repeat ?
No, Hays just fought the Comanche a LOT! 😳 Like, alot alot. So it merits several episodes.
Great account of the battle-
Wasn’t there a skirmish at Enchanted Rock as well?
There was! We have an episode on it!
I can't beleive the Comanche could be so foolish as to fight like this. Even the loss of a single warrior could be devasting to an Indian community, the Comanche losing over 100 warriors would have been absolutely devasting to their population which was already rapidly depleting at this point from disease epidemics and constant warfare. Continually making futile charges with the same result every time over and over during the course of 3 days is extremely foolish and seems to go against the way the Comanches fought. A lot of the firsthand sources I've read always stated that the Comanches would always stay out of rifle range if they were fighting against an entrenched enemy because they had no desire to incur unneccessary casualties. The comanche could have easily overwhelmed and killed every single one of the rangers if they had hundreds of warriors there. They should have just done a full charge with all of them them right towards the thicket and not stopped. Of course the first few lines of warriors would have been cut down, but they could have easily overwhelmed them. The Texans wouldn't have had time to reload their single shot rifles in time to fire again, they could have killed more with their reveolvers but they would have only had time to get off a few more shots before being overwhelmed. The stupidest thing they could do would be to keep making charges with smaller bands of warriors where the first line who got in range was always shot down and then retreat. If this story is true this was the stupidest group of Comanches to ever roam the plains.
yes stupid but no exeption, same for Burnside`s piecemeal Attacks ,again and again, at maryes heights.
I think the commanche Chieftain/ leader wasnt the brightest.
Agreed 👍 Comanche we’re fearless & bold which made them apparently impatient . As Capt. Hays men were isolated from resuplly of food and ammo , Comanche could have taken a siege against Hay’s men.
Yes it seems a bit fanciful
Same thing with the Japanese in WWll - that fierce, aggressive, rage and pride-filled means of fighting worked to their detriment in infusing stupidity as a result several times also.
So this was a battle?
WOW !
It's horrific seeing the chemtrails over enchanted rock, and the fact that so few of the dullards notice them
In San Antonio. Will try to locate Bandera Pass
It must be what is known as Paint Rock above the Concho River on the Campbell Ranch, in Paint Rock Texas.
This place was a ceremonial gathering area for Comanches for many years. If you travel NW from Corpus, cut through Bandera Pass and ride past Enchanted Rock you are long ways from Bandera Pass. There’s much disinformation about this battle, beginning from the initial accounts. I would love to know and find exactly where this battle was to have taken place.
Hey hey captain jack … meet me down by the railroad tracks 🎶
Takes balls of steel to go up against a Comanche
Jack Hayes is awesome.
Does anyone know the name of the war chief that led this fight?
Can you please do a video focusing on the Caribbean please like the maroons of Jamaica or the slave revolt in Haiti ( which caused France to sell some parts of it’s colonial territory in North America ) it’s honestly quite interesting and it doesn’t get much coverage but it’s a suggestion.
My buddy was at the auction where they sold his gun, it was a 51 Navy. Little John sold it. Est. 500k. During the auction a guy stood up and said, "that's my family's gun".
Gaines De Gaffenried probably stole it lol.
Little John being the good guy he is passed the lot.
I know its a deyail but you dont "reload" a bow. You nock another arrow.
Do one about the Doolin gang plz 😊
Ranger’s handed out that ass whooping
I can see why that scalp would be so valuable- look at that perfect hairline!
This isn't the Battle of Bandera Pass
Neither side was wrong or right.
Kamikaze/comachekaze attacks don't end well against superior firepower.
The Patterson was a 36.
"too pretty to shoot" wow
🇨🇦🤠👍👋
Sing song narration is annoying. Subject was well done.
Sing song comment
Much to like about what you are doing here, but phrases like “all too apt” to refer to the name of Paint rock take away from great storytelling. It isn’t all too apt - it simply is. Just one example, but the economy of words is so good in some places and out of sorts in others.
Don't care.
Unfazed Hayes vs. the Jeep Comanches and their angriest '73 Camero.
44 caliber Patterson revolver? Really?
I am so proud to live in Hays county Texas .If I had a son I would have named him Jack,much to my ex wife's protests ! ( three daughters) 😂
U keep doing repeats,unsubing.
This isn't a repeat at all.
@@historyattheokcorral ok my mistake,i will resub.
No worries! There are lots of Jack Hays stories!
I think this actually occured in 1844. Comanche party of about 85. Less than 20 Rangers. First time the Indians were defeated by 36 cap & ball revolvers. Battle ended on the first day. After two fruitless charges. Walker Creek battle.
1846-1848 the Mexican American War occured. Capt Hays was there fighting under General Zachary Taylor. Educate yourself mister.
There are several varying dates "mister", we went with the closest to primary sourcing available. No need for baseless aspersions.
Your own words, late spring 1846 Corpus Christi. Hays was at war April 1846 in Mexico. You can see the discrepancy here.
Thats what we just addressed in previous comment.
My favorite channel! We need this on Netflix! Much love from Colombia ❤
THE PATERSON COLT IS A .36 CALIBER…..NOT .44
“It’s a magazine not a clip….” Ok G.I. Joe Rambo dude…. Now back to “Call of Duty” with you.
Confederate .. ain’t those the not good guys ?