History Buffs: 300
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- Prepare for an epic battle like no other in the visually stunning film "300"! Based on the true story of the Battle of Thermopylae, this action-packed spectacle transports you to ancient Greece, where 300 Spartan warriors face insurmountable odds against the mighty Persian army.
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Hey everyone, due to a copyright issue I had to mute a section of the video from 12:09 - 14:03. If you want to see the unedited version of it you can find it on watchnebula.com/historybuffs
This is where I will upload all of my videos incase of any copyright issues. Really sorry guys.
Really sorry, CZcams sucks
Yes the sound stopped at 12:08. Thank you for the heads up!
Maybe put copyright issues across screen... I actually clicked away the first time, second time watching; im now seeing this comment...
CZcams 2020
"Less than a thousand conquistadors were able to destroy an army of 40."
Huh, that's not so impressive. 😉
"That's Gay". - Xerxes
"Yes, sir. Very gay. Very gay indeed. No doubt their gayness will lead to their defeat."
"Excellent, let's not dig into this any further...attack!"
El Viola Feos Xerces scissored Mrs. Garrison! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Greek history in a nutshell "that's gay"
@Black Swag It's a South Park Episode
Favorite part of this vid review LOL
Leonidas: "SPARTAN'S, WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION??!"
Spartans: "HOOO HOOO HOOO!!!"
Greeks: ".......owls?"
🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭🤣🤣...
Thought i was the only one who still doesnt know what their profession was lmfaooo!
I thought they was pigeons.
Did someone say Athens?
Thats a north amerika indians warcry you know that ? People with brain would know it also Xerxes was PERSIAN NOT Afroamerican.
Spartans are greeks
I always assumed that the historical and visual inaccuracies in 300 were meant to reflect how oral legends of antiquity would be embellished and exaggerated. As in, the way the events are depicted in 300 are similar to how the stories would be passed down around campfires and at Greek theaters.
yeah and this could be why they are nearly naked
the only relevant and intelligent reply in this entire video
@@risiwayne2067 Greek hoplites used to fight naked. You can see it in old Greek Pottery.
@@luiznunes1404 I don't think they fought naked, only the depiction of them are
Because for ancient greeks, nudity was a form of purity
@@risiwayne2067 lol No, bro. Actually they fought naked (and practiced sports naked too) because it makes you lighter and faster, and if you have a good looking body it can intimidates the enemy and influence them to make mistakes during combat. Not only Greeks, but there are descriptions of Celts, Vikings (shirtless berserkers) and Native Americans fighting naked ou half naked too.
I absolutely love how the part where the spartan says " then we will fight in the shade " was actually a real phase that was said.
And the "Persians, come and get them" too.
It is funny a lot of things that look like cheese one liners like that one. Or "come and take them" were actual lines.
🧢🧢🧢
Imagine training for all of this, and dying from a shot arrow.
totalwar179 I read somewhere that a Greek warrior (I believe it was a spartan) was shot with an arrow and what he said roughly translated to "I'm not afraid of dying, I'm just upset I was killed by such a cowardly weapon" lol
in the knee of all places
what do u think they would be trained to use their shields for other than ramming into enemies
Fun fact. King leonidas actually died from an arrow to the neck. Spartan soldiers tried to protect his body until they were eventually all killed.
Adam gamingcyclone You can't block every arrow lol
"Number's alone can't guarantee victory"
Tell that to Stalin
I think he knew that by his famouse Quote "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."
1) Correct. 2) So we can prevent another one coming to power 3) Their tech was ass lets face it. Germany didnt reach Moskow only because of the bad weather condition and because at some point they had to fight besically an entire country, not even just the army.
Apparently some people don't understand a joke
the USSR didn't have vast numbers of people see the census debacle of 1936 and given the Germans could easily slaughter Russians at 5+:1 then its advantage in numbers was negated.
soviet tech was very hit or miss and very much miss depending on political realities at the time also it had to simple because the soviet didn't have the skills for complex industrial management or logistics. it was miles worse than even the nazi state for favouring some outfit over another basically the soviets were lucky the british amd americans would help them out with tonnes of supplies while forcing the germans to strip away forces to fight on other fronts
The overstatement of Russia's numbers is one of the greatest pieces of misunderstood history. In the first year of the war in the east (the most critical time,) the Russian armed forces were actually outnumbered. Not to mention that with so much of their land swallowed up so quick, they were actually working with a lower population base than the United States. If we couldn't win with just numbers, neither could the Russians. They did outnumber the Germans after the first year, but never by more than 2:1.
The Spartans were called "Lacedemonians" by their fellow Greeks. As you pointed out, they were known even in contemporary sources for their action movie-style one-liners. This type of witty terse response is called "Laconic Speech".
Their society essentially successfully bred armies of Clint Eastwood clones that would do calisthenics and brush their hair before going into battle.
“Are you gonna present your sword or start whistling Eleftheria.”
Outlaw Iosephos Ualesos.
A fellow Dan Carlin fan I see
One of my favorite movie lines.
So
@@hardibridger5456 Really? My favourite was "Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms".
Ah yes. The movie that convinced every meathead at the gym that they were fractionally Greek.
a gay gladiator in their imagination
Absolute facts!!! 🤣🤣
banana403 spoken like a true soy boy 😂
@@Skenyon so you're one of them then, right on.
stfu bitch ass. I wanna have a body like Leonidas
The Spartan one-liner quip is known in modern times as a laconic phrase, named after the land of Laconia where the city stood. Unlike the philosophy loving Athenians who were very fond of hearing the sound of their own voice, Spartans were notorious for not speaking more than was absolutely needed. Thus, they acquired the reputation of being simpeltons, despite the fact that Sparta produced two of the classical seven sages of ancient Greece.
Here are a few classics :
The "If" answer to Phillip of Macedon that was mentioned here was preceded by another exchange. When Phillip sent a menacing letter to Sparta, asking whether he should come as friend or foe, the Spartans responded with "Neither".
When a neighboring city that has suffred a drought sent a delegation to Sparta asking for help, the delegates made a long and winded speech before the Spartan assembly, imploring for aid. The Spartans retorted that the speech was so long that by the end of it they could no longer remember the begining. The next day the delegates returned with an empty flour bag, pointed at it and said "This bag needs flour". To this the Spartans answered that they need not have said "this bag" - but nonetheless agreed to provide aid.
When a famous Spartan king was being pestered by a man asking who is the perfect Spartan, he annoyingly replied "He who is least like you".
It was known that the Spartans discouraged theur people from travelling abroad, fearing they would be spoiled by the affluence and customs of other city states. When an Athenian haughtingly pointed this out to a Spartan, the latter replied "But you, when you come to Sparta, do not become worse, but better."
Sometimes other Greeks paid back in kind. When a man from the Italian Greek city of Sybaris, known for it's love of fine dining, came to Sparta, he was invited to eat with the warriors in their mess hall and sample their famous "black broth" - Spartan blood soup made with onion and vinegar. Tasting it, the man proclaimed "Now i understand why Spartans are so fearless in the face of death. Any sane man would rather die a thousand times than live like this".
Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?
- Kevin Malone, modern day Spartan
Messed up things basically all Spartans were very well educated the Agoie(however its spelled) didnt even mostly teach warfare it was mostly philosophy and history and math and such. They were far from simpletons just stoic
@@mondaysinsanity8193 It's Agogie/Αγωγή in greek, which basically means "education"
Excellent haha
So, Basically they were a bunch of smart asses.
"That's gay!"
"Yes sir, very gay!"
XD I love you.
HAHAHA love you too mate!
+History Buffs That's gay!
+Azkamooski
;)
Alexandros Nicolaides ok
+Azkamooski
by " ;) " I ment I thought your comment was funny, not the other thing..if you were thinking that....
Did anyone else's audio go out at 12:08
Yes
Some copyright issue
Yea
yup
Yes
There is an entire story that took place once the Spatan lines broke. King Leonidas was killed very early on and the battle that ensued for his body is an entire story in itself.
Spartans were actually greatly outmatched by one other particular fighting unit in the ancient world; the Florida man
LMFAO
dolphin fuckers ..
Can confirm.
Source: Am Floridian
News flash: Florida Man declares war on Spartans. The Spartans surrender immediately..
I concur👍
He forgot to mention how the spartans kept saying "freedom" countless times while themselves beeing slavers
So? it was about their freedom, not their slaves.
Desolate Justice what do you mean so? You don't see the irony?
I think Helots were mostly war-prisoners, so maybe the whole point is the Spartans would either win or die in combat, never to have the same fate as those people they were able to defeat and enslave
When a polis was described as free in the ancient Greek world, it meant under native rule and tradition, whether the local government were an oligarchy, democracy, monarchy, or something else.
Ah yes, slaves who are given homes, 3 meals a day and are actually paid for their services. Remember that America and England where the fucked up ones in history when it came to slavery and only America would have the children of slaves be slaves themselves. Everywhere else a slave was basically an indentured servant with a paycheck that works for about 10 years and is then a citizen.
The part that was muted between 12:09 - 14:03 reads. " To destroy an army of forty thousand Aztecs that helped lead to the downfall of the mighty Aztec Empire. So what do I mean about the Greeks being technologically superior to the Persians, well let's look at their weaponry. Obviously I don't need to tell you that the Greeks didn't go into battle half-naked like in the movie, this in clearly all from the graphic novel. In real life Spartans were heavy infantry and wore armor made of bronze, they also carried shields made of strong wood and a thin sheet of bronze and when the Persians fired their arrows, they would literally just bounce off the Spartans shields and armor because they were made of cheap date palm wood. In contrast, the Persians wore little to no armor and the shields made out of a much thinner wood and some of them were even made out of bloody wicker which Spartan weapons had no problems what so ever in penetrating. So what's ready infuriating to me is that, the Persians know this! They fought the Greeks at Marathon and sustained heavy loses because of their inadequate weaponry, you think someone somewhere would have said something in ten years about their weapons needing an upgrade! But anyway the question still remains, how did an army of just three hundred Spartans and seven thousand other Greeks, hold off an army of nearly half a million for three days. Well another advantage the Greeks had was the strategic value of the landscape they chose to fight in and Thermopylae was perfect of that because it was narrow coastal passage with Aegean Sea on one side and a high vertical cliff on the other. Its natural bends and curves created perfect choking points were Xerxes massive numbers were just taken out the equation, no matter many soldiers he funneled into the pass, the better equipped and trained Spartans were able to hold their ground and inflict heavy casualties. This continued foe two days before the Spartans were finally defeated on the third". Man that took for forever, but I think it was worth it, tell me what you all think.
Thanks for doing this, was very confused
@@thumblads8714 You're welcome.
Thanks mate!
@@dimitrivaleschi9786 Your welcome.
You mean kicking people into a seemingly bottomless pit while yelling "THIS IS " is not historically accurate?
actually it did happen, SORT of. just not under the rule of xerxes. according to Herodotus, xerxes didnt send anyone to get 'earth and water' because when Darius did it before, the athenians and the spartans threw the guy into a well/pit.... lol
@@jaylynnr4256 Athenians killed the messengers outright. Spartans threw them in the well where they can take as much earth and water as they wish like the absolute chads they were
@@Ballin4Vengeance That's just cruel tho, if the Romans had their messengers done like that, their cruelty will beyond imagination
@@bizybliztaverage9414 The persians were no humanitarians either… this is relatively tame for ancient times
“This is 300!”
I feel robbed.
The runner/messenger ran from the battle of Marathon to Athens. It was 26 miles. Thats what marathons are based after.
When he arrived in Athens he yelled "Nike" meaning 'victory'. Thats where Nike clothing named themselves.
is the Nike part actually true?
Owen Easter Nike in Greek means victory yes
Owen Easter adidas name is also interesting
The story is: After the battle, a single man bearing full armour was sent to Athens. When he arrived, he said only one word before he died:
Νενικήκαμεν
Meaning : we have won. And he died.
The distance was about 42km so all marathons in the world come from this man.
But, why full armour? He could just run without armour! The answer is simple: He didn't want to be seen as a defector.
Too bad history didn't preserved his name.
Yes, Nike comes from Νικη, Pepsi comes from πέψη=digestion, dexion, etc.
Christos Kili His name was Philipides, i think.
12minutes and 4 seconds the sound stopped.
A good 12 minutes though!
Starts back up at 14:05
Sensorship. Now any mention of slaughtering indians is sensored. I don't know, they are trying to prevent racism or to avoid that the coloninists killed thousanfs of indians to be known.
We live in a totalitarian state we just haven't realized it yet.
@@MrGone0608 bruh it wasn’t censorship, there was an issue with copyright
"Numbers alone does not guarantee victory"
Laughs in USSR.
@Odysseus W It was a mixture of both. In the siege of Stalingrad, tanks were produced on mass, some of them without paint. Yes, the winter helped, but the soviets relied on numbers. One of their tactics in tank warfare was to gang up on one tank.
@Odysseus W not really. It was also because of hitler's stubborness. He wanted his men to advance while his advicers warned him that marching trough snow without proper clothes is suicide (no pun intended).
But yeah. Almost noone can beat the russian winter unless you are. Wait for it..........
The Mongols
(Cue the mongoltage)
@Odysseus W well it was inevitable for ussr and germany to clash. In fact Stalin only accepted to sign the non-agression pact because his army in 1939 was weak due to the Great Purge which resulted in many experienced officers executed. Stalin was cofident that the Red Army could regain its former strength in 1941.
And of course ,Hitler did not like the USSR and refused to let Stalin join the Axis even if Japan wanted them to.
The tensions simply made a war betwen them like Thanos. Inevitable
Remember Finland beat the shit out of USSR
Like half a million couldn't capture 10 miles without losing 20 men per minute
@@soheilnazari4553 And USSR still won.
“Yes your grace, very gay.”
"very gay indeed, your grace."
@@iliadnetfear2586 "No doubt their gayness will prove a decisive factor in winning this battle."
@@HalcyonSkies "Excellent, let's not look into this any further, Attack!"
Yes your grace very very very very gay it's so gay gayest than J
The most gay man on tictok
Cool fact: "Thermopylae" translates as "hot gates" in Greek, its name coming from various sulphur springs in the area and was thought to be the entrance to Hades.
Not Hades, the Underworld. Hades is the Greek God of the Dead/Underworld.
@@lelouchvibritannia4028 All this time I interpreted "Send them to Hades" to mean send to the underworld, when what they mean is "send them to the god of the dead" Cheers for clarifying.
@@DraconicImperator No prob! 👍
Cool fact 2:
There were many battles at Thermopylae, this one only being the most famous. One was in WW2.
Fitting.
"i may as well have marched them up here, from what ive seen" best line in the film
Sound cuts out for anyone else or just me?
12:09 to 14:00
Same issue
Same
Yep!
Copyright
Yes. That looks like the most replayed part of the video.
The main reason why the Persians had much less armour wasn't because of technological inferiority but because of their home territorys conditions and their tactics. Persia was mostly full of vast plains and deserts with a few mountain ranges and hills that have long since been safe from any sort of invasion, so their soldiers wore light armour and brought lighter weapons because they had to run and maneuver constantly in battles. This became a massive detriment to them whenever they invaded Greece because all of the battles there were in much smaller and tighter confines with mountains, hills, rivers, lakes and the very sea preventing them from being a mobile force, their preferred strategy and the strategy they've been equipped for.
Compare the topography that Persians had to traverse in order to eventually defeat Sparta & Athens...Later, the Viet Cong would successfully hold off larger American numbers in Vietnam using some of the same Spartan/Athenian guerilla tactics.
Pretty sure it also had a lot to do with the fact that the Persian army was largely made up of slaves who were under trained and thus not worthy of the cost of proper armor. The Persian army were forced into servitude for the most part, or face instant death. A lot of them probably didn't even speak the same language.
@@jacobandrewalexful the part about them speaking different languages is true since the persian empire encompassed a vast amount of territory and people, everything else you just said is completely false, while the persians at some different points (specifically after the rise of Islam and the arabian conquest of persia) did take part in slavery, throughout most of their history slavery was banned for persians and their vassals, even their religion heavily prohibited slavery, soldiers were given pay and land after retirement similar to the roman legionaries. During this time period it was the spartans who were the slavers, not the persians.
@@jacobandrewalexful there were no slaves in the Persian Army you fucking dumbass. They were all paid conscripts. Open a fucking history textbook
10 years
10:00
"That's gay"
My god that made me laugh
“Excellent. Let’s not look into this any furTHA.”
That’s gay
Yeah that’s pretty much there whole thing
"That's gay"
Reeeeeeal talk 🤣🤣🤣💀
...and that face :[
LOL, That made me laugh as well
Thank you for pointing out that, because it was narrated by Dilios, there is good reason to excuse the over-the-top nature of the battle. I remember coming to that conclusion myself and, like you, allowed me to like the film even more.
How did Xerxes get Elephants before Cersei?
Haha.. I was just about to comment "Back before Cersei became a cunt" but yours is much better
LOOOOL
UMMMM... REVERSE ALPHABETICAL ORDER DISBURSEMENT?
He didn't spend the budget on zombie polar bears that's why.
@@shindari lol
Spartan women are actually more than just baby producers, they were super rich. When a spartan husband dies, which happens a lot to a warrior nation state, inherited his wealth, to his wife. And when that wife dies, her children inherited the wealth, and if one of the children are daughters, then they'll get it too. And when the daughters marry a man, with pockets full from inheritance money, when the man she married dies, she inherits his wealth. And this happens over generations, and women of sparta became very rich, and even the kings would make loans to the spartan women just to get by.
Also, if a male spartan did not marry from 25-35, they would need to pay an extra tax and not be allowed to certain celebrations.
I think I remember reading that the males weren't allowed to fight until they had contributed to the gene pool of Sparta or something like that. Makes sense to secure the next generation when you're population tends to work in environments with such high staff turnover.
You're wrong actually. By the laws of Lycurgus, Spartan Peers were forbidden to have wealth as well as pursuing any profession other than that of a warrior. The only "wealth" would be the land which was also equally divided between all Peers.
What you are saying could possibly be true in the later centuries of Sparta, when Spartans moved away from the laws of Lycurgus. However, that would never be true during the Classical Era of Greece. Thats what made the Spartans so feared and respected. They didn't focus on anything but War.
Thank you! Somebody who reads history. Also as a footnote, according to the accounts of Xenophon, the agogge was NOT homosexually inclined and that is not true about "boy loving" those were accounts made by those trying to discredit Sparta as Sparta was very marriage minded and family oriented as depicted by women given equal education, food, and status. What Gorgo said to a traveling Athenian woman who had little to no status that only real women produce Spartan men says it all. Did homosexuality exist in Sparta? Of course it did, but not as widespread as Athens or other City States.
Spartans had no wealth. the issue is being mentioned by Thucydides in the Peloponnesian War. The other thing is that, they were all living the same way, the life standards of the poor being no different from the life standards of the more well to do.
A friend of mine is a Greek Cypriot who served as a tank commander for his national service. His regiments motto was some adaption of 'we will fight in the shade.'
"They did a little bit more than just bang their shields"..... Genius.
“Good thrust”
"Numbers alone can't guarantee Victory"
Stalin: **doubt**
Jews: ...
Fish
Depends on how many, also they were technologically inferior to Germany but not enough to guarantee a lose in all conditions. And winter,never forget that damned winter.
Sandro The Necromancer the winter was just as rough for the Russians as it was for the Germans
@Cegesh Stalin lost the battle of Finland because every step in the boggy terrain caused huge losses and took them away from Berlin.
"I don't like the Spartans."
*Athenian Boi spotted.*
It’s true though. Coming from Sparta myself, I always look up to the ancients, but I know that while we all admire them, none would be willing to be raised as one of them. Imagine living like a Navy SEAL from the age of 6, but in filthier conditions, and every year more and more of your possessions would be removed, where you’d see children be killed in training and that’d be normal and you’ll get some idea of what you’d be in for.
Alexander Angelus that’s an easy choice for a spartan
Ha 😁
MercySincere oh yea
MercySincere it wasn’t common at all so u can stfu
king Leonidas didn't say "THIS IS SPARTA!!!!" he said "GO DIG IT UP YOURSELVES!!!" upon pushing the Persians in
in my opinion way cooler!
Even if the line was wrong, the fact the scene is real is cool on it's own
"GO DIG IT UP YOURSELVES!!!" sounds way better
In Greek "Molon Lave"
Short,but cool!
They still need the set up of the Persians demanding tribute of "Earth (food) and water."
12:09 an entire army of forty... Dear sweet lord how did they ever manage that.
Only 1% of people realise that 300 is so "whacky" because the whole film is told from Dilios' point of view, as an exaggerated story, or motivational speech to the men. It's such a misunderstood film. I think it's brilliantly original and memorable, with some great scenes.
This right here. Same for the 2nd one which I feel is underrated simply because of the collective bias of the 1st being good.
It has big flaw as it shows "reality" being just as overblown and exaggerated than story being told. That means Greek soldiers at the end are just as chiseled and unarmored machomen instead of more realistic looking hoplites. Hard to sell idea of nested stories with obvious bias when there is no difference.
I always saw it as a film that comments on the nature of archetypes and ideologies and how they influence humanity.
1%?!?!? A lot of people realize that bro.
@The Knight Because Braveheart, while being a good movie in the sense that it's well acted, well directed, and well written, still tries to pass itself off as a fairly accurate account of Wallace's life and the rebellion against Edward the Longshanks, when it wasn't.
300 gets a pass because it isn't trying to be historically accurate, it's just telling an overglorified account of the real battle. Hell, in the first five minutes it straight up tells the audience that the entire film's story is being narrated by a Spartan after the battle has occurred, which is why Nick says it's historically authentic, since because Dilios is the one telling the story, it's only natural he'd play up the badassery of the Spartans while demonizing the Persians, and downplaying the role of the other Greek city-states who did fight alongside Leonidas, as well as the less savory aspects of life in Sparta.
The movie 300 is what I imagine people imagined when they heard the stories how many ever years ago it was. Sitting at a campfire, and your crazy uncle telling you the story of 300. I can just imagine how epic it seemed. And was.
No
@@End-Result
*Welp, it's opposite day today.*
Well, you aren't wrong. That is, in fact, the way Frank Miller described the comic itself. It was never meant to be historically accurate in that regard, but rather the story of those events as conveyed to each other by Spartan children around the campfire.
I understand the desire for historical accuracy in films, but context is important as well.
I can't believe you didn't mention the utter ridiculous manner in which Xerxes was portrayed and dressed. I mean they had him looking like some whacked out apocalyptic eunuch.
he covered all of that with the way persian army and everything related was described
Also what people forget is that 300 is an embellished story told by a Spartan. So yes, things will be ridiculous at times. Its why alot of xerxes men looked like animals and monsters and why the Spartans had no chestplates or anything. As spartans would see their abs and muscles as their chestplates
@@savvyslie1833 ..I personally doubt that people from other lands dressed in their native clothing looked like animals or monsters to the Spartans or any other people. And the wearing of "chest plates" was not a common thing for the ordinary soldiers of that time anyway, Spartan or otherwise. It wasn't cheap you know.
@@nicholaspeti7495 Its supposed to be an exaggerated viewpoint of a stereotypical Spartan. I have never understood how the vast majority of people never understood that concept
@@savvyslie1833 .. Who says so, you ? And when did I mention a "Spartan" in what I said ? .. I only mentioned Xerxes, the Achaemenid and King of Kings,
I really like how you gave the back ground of the Ionian Revolt. It is a pivotal part of the story and brings in characters like Miltiades who was hated due to his dictatorship methods and eventually ending with the battle of Marathon. Good job in giving the back story, if I remember my history Marathon was 40 years or so before Thermopylae.
Another great misconception is that people actually believe there was only 300 Spartans at Thermopylae , Writings state the were other too like Arcadians. Leonidas may have only had 300 Spartans, but they did have allies with them.
all in all there was around 7K greeks
They were still greatly outnumbered, like 10-20 to 1
The part referencing "if" was in fact the answer the spartans gave to Macedonian King Philip II, father of Alexander. And he actually left them be albeit pretty much unimportant for the rest of history
"Let those yokels play their games" was most likely the reasoning.
One of Alexander's generals defeated them at Megalopolis when they tried to rise up against Macedon rule. Then later down the line Rome turned Sparta into a tourist attraction.
It was Stephen Fry who claimed otherwise - did you expect him to be well-informed?
Yeah Alexander eventually came back and humbled them.
@@colbyneblett8454 Actually what happened was originally that Sparta refused to join the League of Corinth under King Philip II deciding instead to remain independent. Then a few years after Alexander had taken the Macedonian and Corinth forces into Persia, Sparta decided to attack the acting and for all intense and purposes domestic Macedonian king Antipater who was appointed by Alexander to be his regent in Macedonian of which he already had experience doing when Philip went on his campaigns. Due to this only the domestic Macedonian forces under Antipater fought the Spartans at Megalopolis which resulted in Spartan defeat as by this point Sparta was a shadow of its former self having been surpassed by many other greek states. In the end Alexanders only relation to the battle/defeat of Sparta was simply just formally accepting surrender deals via Spartan ambassadors whilst still in Persia as Alexander had a far more formable foe and ambitions than a single greek city state. Additionally Alexander would also never return home.
I see a lot of comments talking about how Nick didn't talk about this historical inaccuracy, or this historical inaccuracy, but if you watch the video Nick said how he wouldn't talk about all the historical inaccuracies because the movie's source material was a graphic novel and not history.
Believe me, I know how inaccurate this movie is ;)
That name
When Herodotus is one's main source there is bound to be an abundance of inaccuracies
+Caoimhin don't be too hard on Herodotus. He was more of a Shakespeare than an actual historian.
And also, you could spend hours doing just that. He did a pretty damn good job in a concise 15 minutes (or thereabout). :)
Without Herodotus, Frank Miller couldn't have made his graphic novel in the first place. We can be sure Herodotus took liberties with his work, since no one knew what military history was in the 5th century BC. Nevertheless, he wrote when Greeks who actually fought in the Persian Wars were still alive, so there has to be a lot of truth in his narrative.
Just some more things that he might have missed. Sparta sent only 300 not only concerns of helots revolting but due to several religious reasons where military action was illegal by spartan law. That's why he brought his closest gym buddies with him(bodyguards). There were somewhere around 7000 greek soldiers with 300 being spartans. Some greek defector told the Persians about a secret pathway around the pass which the Greeks also knew of and had a small force placed. Those men were caught by surprise and didn't defend the pass taking position somewhere else thinking the Persians were coming for them. Word came out. Leonidas held a council of war. He said those who wanted to leave can since it was going to be the last stand whilst being surrounded. About 3000 chose to leave whist all Spartans and spartan slaves that participated with some other greeks chose to stay knowing it was a fight to the death. One injured spartan was told by Leonidas to return to Sparta and tell of what happened there and their honorable last stand. When war continued the Greeks were putting up a great fight. Leonidas in the later part of the last stand was killed. In order to retrieve his body the spartan soldiers and slaves pushed back the Persian lines however were not able to get his body. His head was stuck on a spear. Eventually, every last one of them perished.
Gerard Butler probably was way more passionate about this role than he had any reason to, but goddamit, are we all glad he got it
fun fact, king Leonidas 1 was one of the few kings of Sparta to actually undergo spartan training. the King's First born son was exempt from the spartan training, and Leonidas, not being the first born was not exempt.
If I'm not mistaken Leónidas was around 50 years old when that battle occurred and not the 20-30 the movie showed. But I still absolutely love the movie idk why
poor guy!
@@Blugater Gerrard Butler is not that age range
@@SantomPh king Leonidas was 60 when the battle took place, of course not Gerard Butler lol
@Kevin spacey beards and makeup.
If a time machine is ever invented, I want somebody to go back in time and record all of these great battles and bring the footage back to the present. Imagine sitting at home and watching what actually happened on that day...
Invite the bois over to watch the thrilling Finale of Siege of Vienna: Hussar Charge or the long lasting classic series Siege of Candia now in 4k
Battle of cannae would be awesome .👍
It world be so brutal to watch..
"Yes your Grace, very gay!" Holy shit this was hilarious.
"Our arrows will blot out the sun!"
"Then we will fight in the shade"
Me: "Oh burn!"
too bad they all died
hpa2005 How is it a burn if it’s in the shade?
Sam Samani
died in glory fighting for their home
Yikes
That's Magneto!
There was inaccuracy that you forgot to mention, when the Oracle’s men were being bribed with coins, the Spartans did not use coin currency.
Nice. But i believe they were persian coins. Had xerxes face on em and everything.
??? I thought they used drachmae or aka drachma
That last line you said, my head said chocolate coins...and now I remembered a parody on my country...
Also, Ephors had nothing to do with the Oracle.
Well if Persia conquers Greece than that bribe will be much more useful, making them wealthier under the Persians. Thats not really a plot line from the movie, thats just me justifying the bribes.
anyone else audio cut off at 12:09
It got copyright claim
Yea 😢
@@Lopez03Eduardo. damn wtf. 😭
Didn't know his voice was copyrighted
No, the spanish fought against 40. That's the number according to history buff.
"Those Athenians, boy loves"
That's rich coming from a society that apparently had women shave their heads so they could look more man like to attract their husbands better.
@Basement Dweller Cosplay - Good point! And Sparta was well known throughout ancient Greece for being the birthplace of pederasty. The basis of Sparta's military prowess was in fact in homosexual pairings between older men and young boys. The older man had a crucial role in the education and training of the boy, and their relationship was also an erotic one.
@@wiseonwords Plato in his dialogues such as "Laws" expressed disgust at the widespread abuse of boys in Crete and Sparta. Really shows you how backward their society is.
@@erlinacobrado7947 Sparta was a horrifically brutal and totalitarian society and the last "civilisation" we should even dream of emulating.
@@End-Result I agree. But I wouldn't use the word "totalitarian" as very accurate. Sparta was a very decentralised government, with separation of powers. It may sound progressive, but hardly: it was famously very inefficient in handling and keeping property, and corrupt. Aristotle actually said that the "kings" which they had two, were really powerless domestically and only acted as permanent generals. The real powers lay with the ephors - famously corrupt. The separation of powers was only possible because of the extreme paranoia everyone had of each other.
Kinda funny how everyone gives them shit for that, but if someone does it these days it "powerful and brave" and anyone giving them shit is called some kind of "phobic"
Bruh, that deformed Spartan looks like a flood carrier lmao
@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep Cool. Thanks for the info.
I wonder if he explodes if you shoot him lol
XD
@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep despite countless hours of searching, I have not found a single indication of me asking
You should have mentioned the immortals and how they were actually called the immortals not because they were hard to kill but because there were so many soldiers in their unit that they seemed to be immortal, everyone you killed was replaced immediately.
A year old, i know, but the thing about the immortals wasn't just that they had people to replace the fallen, but that they could relatively easily replace their elite force because of their awesome organisation and training of their military. The immortals were full time soldiers, not levied or hired.
Always 10,000, no more, no less
One thing you missed about the Spartan training that is interesting, when it come to Leonides, the son and heir of a Spartan king is exempt from being trained in the Agage but Leonides was the 2nd son and not the heir of one of two of the Spartan Kings (they always had 2 kings at the same time) so he was not exempt and did train in the Agage system. (Dont know if I spelled Agage correctly so excuse that please)
It is great to see people talking of the Greeks in history.
Great thanks from a bulgarian historian.
Also the people who lived in your region of the times: The Thracians. They've also done their part but not talked about as much sadly
@@1991beachboy I studied Thracian culture but what I heard was mostly that no one really knows all that much about them.
We have records of their small kingdom but not much more than that.
The whole idea of this movie, its an exaggerated story told by a soldier to encourage his men.
Spartans were real. They were so strong and trained that they were banned from Olympics..
But it wasnt just that it was also the military tactics of that time and the weapon difference between spartans and persians.
@@ChocolateTony No shit Spartans were real. When did he say that they weren't?
You know that that story is real tho?
@@mariosskaliotis3550 what story is real ? A gay looking man who wears golden underwear is shown as persian kimg lmao
@Aztec Warrior it is ancient greek history this is what we learn in amcient geek history
History channel needs to be in touch with you.
hell no, stay away from TV networks - no youtuber has ever transitioned into TV and did well
that's because those youtubers have sold out. This guy won't. Plus he needs to evole and make $
what part of evolving to make money is not selling out?
John Meyer you'd like to pay his bills?
I have made no claims about the dignity of selling out. I merely pointed out that the essence of your statement was that "selling out is bad, he won't, he needs to sell out."
There is no sound from 12:09 to 14:03
had to mute it cause it was flagged by someone in that part
@@beaverhead01 why it was flag? It's purely a educational video?
@@messageinthebottle1673 most likeley a song or music /or a voice over was copyright claimed
Your kidding me, so 1 minute 49 seconds had to be cut from this video all cause of a copyright claim?
That phrase in 5:12 was actually said but not like the way the movie shows it. That phrase was said by Diinekis (not the one who says it in the movie) and there was another soldier who said that the Persians seemed so many that their arrows would cover up the sun and he said the phrase: Υπό σκιήι (under the shadow)
“The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in combat”
SWEAT FOR BLOOD!
Fun fact the Germans right before ww2 adopted that philosophy.
@@messageinthebottle1673 Don't Make My Right Hand Rise Again!
Helen of Troy was from Mycenean Sparta. Long before the Dorians came and made Sparta into a warrior culture.
Bingo
Helen's Sparta was not the Cool Sparta
Helen of Troy was not FROM Sparta she was rather married to the king of Sparta
Helen of Troy is not even believed to be a real person.
What? My day is ruined.
+Madcapredcap
Except that there is no archaeological evidence of a Dorian invasion.
Did you lose sound at 12:15?
Copyright
Anyone else notice the sound cut off at around 12.09???
Yep
Yes
Yeah wtf? I was genuinely enjoying the video too lol
@@dasm... copyright claim
"That's gay."-Xerxes2k15
"yes your grace very gay.Very gay indeed your grace"-Xexes commander 2k15
Bolololol XD I peed myself.
“Spartans never die. They’re just missing in action.”
- Catherine Halsey from the ‘Halo’ series
Sierra- 259 Carter (Noble 1) said it to. Though that was just in the trailer
They're*
10,000 Subscribers With No Videos thanks for telling me. I was in a rush and had no time to think which one was the right response.
To be fair, it's a repeated line throughout the Halo media, almost like a mantra concerning the idea of the Spartans' invulnerability.
Mr. Gorog it is our line of gospel
why did the audio just cut out like that
He should reupload this
I thought my internet had failed then thought my headphones had broke. Then thought my phone had actually broken!
Copyright claim
"When less then a 1,00 conquistadores were able to destroy and army of 40."
@Aiden Rutherford I legit had to reload the video a couple of times before i searched for this comment. I thought my computer was going on the fritz.
That line where they said "come and get them!" May still be one of the most badass lines in film.
"helen of troy was from sparta"
no wonder it took them ten years to sack troy
I have always wondered why that was never corrected. She was Helen of Sparta, kept in Troy. I guess it just sounds better. I am from Texas. Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
@@tcjohnson3437 Helen of Troy is a myth
@@karlbahena1733 And ? So is the King James bible. Doesn't mean you can't read it and discuss it. Whats your point ?
@@karlbahena1733 Troy did exist. Proof has been found
@@harris009ful Troy exist but not helen
Few points to answer your questions brought up about Xerxes and the Persian Army.
1. Like all absolute monarchies, the Persian Empire suffered from civil war and unrest every time the King died. Quickly, the various satraps and royal heirs would struggle to claim the throne. Xerxes was one of the many contenders and had to defeat them before focusing on Greece.
2. The Persian army was not a professional force maintained by a centralized state, but a polyglot army of various regions and satraps with their own language, weapons, and styles of fighting. The King really controlled his elite guard of Persian Immortals that served as heavy infantry and at a high cost to the Persian monarch. It can partly explain the disorganized and inept performance of this massive army against the Greeks.
3. The Persians were victims of their own success. Having eliminated all enemies, they had no competition and became complacent like all empires throughout history. Rather than learn and adapt, Persian rulers and generals preffered to employ Greek mercenaries particularly Spartans. It was this hubris that would end.with Alexanders march a century later.
4. One thing you didn't mention that I hated about the movie was the total lack of acknowledgement for Athens part in Thermopolye. Without the Athenian navy harassing Persian supply ships and keeping the Persian fleet transporting troops around the pass, the Spartans would easily have been cut off and crushed quickly. I personally thought a scene with the Athenians saying the Spartans may rule on land, but Athens rules the waves would have been great. Also a forshadowing of the future war between Athens and Sparta.
1. Yes a bit with the Athenians would have been good, but they were waiting for the second film when they covered the most influential battle in the greco persian war. 2. Although Athens were the best at sea, sparta still crushed them in the Peleponnesian war
Didn't they make a whole movie about the athenian part?
@@adametheridge2386 A war lasting 20 years with the Spartans eventually defeating Athens having to use Persian gold (as well as Persian Support) to buy a navy etc... could hardly be called 'crushing'. (Although I admit as well that Athenian arrogance did push a lot of Greek cities into the Spartan camp). Plus the Athenians kinda shot themselves in the foot with a disastrous invasion of Syracuse where they lost about 10,000 hoplites and many support troops, so for the final 10 years they were significantly weakened. And yet they still managed to defeat Sparta for most of that final ten year period, before finally capitulating.
@@lordvenusianbroon it can be called a decisive victory due to the fact that Athenian hubris and hot headedness led to their downfall, Sparta were the quicker to react, get the support of Persia and all the city states Athens dismissed, they were a lot more powerful and crushing when the moment came, and they crushed the Athenian land army, with barely any help at all from Persia. Athenians lost decisively, the final years were a crushing victory
@@adametheridge2386 Of course they won at the end, but 'crushing' to my mind is say, Germany crushing France in 1940, in a matter of weeks. In the case of the Peloponnesian war, it took Sparta decades and help from previous enemies of all Greece, the Persians, and as we both say, the hubris of Athens to finally get victory. This was an immensely drawn out victory that caused a lot of turbulence in Spartan society (i.e. see the effect of the end of the battle of Sphacteria on them) and there were moments they could have been defeated. Sparta should have won in the first year of the battle really to be crushing IMHO...but they couldn't figure out how to handle walls. (However to be fair that's okay, most Greeks at the time had huge problems with walled cities, it took Alexander the Great to really figure out how to handle city walls.) Both city states were really never that important afterwards anyway.
The graphic novel is really interesting as it is a portrayal of Romanticised Greek art and later Renaissance, Neoclassical, and Romantic Western art. The lack of armour is an example of the heroic nudity commonly featured in this art
New subscriber. Love your channel. Love that you are not trashing the movie just because they don't get all the history right. The movie led us to learn more about the history and that is a good thing!
The "Spartans, what is your profession?" line gives me absolute chills every time I see it.
Never mind the bit when they can only havw that profession thanks to slaves and 2nd class citizens. Have a culture like that today, and they're called war mongers.
When xerxes lost a part of his navy to a storm, he was so pissed he ordered his men to whip the sea
Also when he was crossing into Greece across the hellespont (basically the bridge of land where Istanbul is) the bridge he made broke because of the current, so he killed all the engineers who built it and then threw a pair of shackles into the water
What a dick lol. Little known fact is from that day forward his men behind his back referred to him as "jerkceez " 🤣
According to Herodotus, who didn't like the Persians.
I'd be pissed too salami is good af
Αυτό δεν έγινε στην Σαλαμίνα αλλά στον Ελλήσποντο, όταν μία θύελλα διάλυσε την γέφυρα από καράβια που είχαν φτιάξει για να περάσει ο στρατός του
i'm with the minority of historians who greatly doubt the reality of Spartan military prowess. Surely no wussies and one of the few Greek nations with a dedicated army. Spartans were excellent in propaganda, no doubt about that. One could say their reputation was their greatest weapon
It's not uncommon for people to doubt certain parts of history because the stories told seem lucrative and out of this world even though it did actually happen
Judging by the Olympic Games Records where the Spartans mostly Dominated all the Combat Sports like Boxing, Wrestling, and Specifically the MMA Pankration which they were eventually kicked out of for killing too many opponents. I'd says they were probably really legit but really stubborn to change as far as tactics
Fantastic video! Entertaining and informative . Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us all.
Hi! so, King Xerxes actually had to wait for 10 years because some parts of Egypt (which they had conquered) had rebelled. I just thought I may add this in there!
Sadly even people with a "history" name tag are braggers now
Plus Persians did what they come for. Burn down Athens as punishment for the rebellion back in anatolia. And majority of the army had left Greece after that
@@Loneaxe Yes, exactly
Tru, he had 10 years none the less to plan.... didn't really work out
@@Figgy_23 what do u mean? spartan really just got exterminated...i say it work out
One key decider was the famous Greek Phalanx formation of locked shields and long spears which proved invaluable not only for this battle, but also the eventual expansion of Alexander. The phalanx was so effective that it would remain so until the advent of the Roman Legion and its Manipular structure which was still in essense a form of the Phalanx. Even to this day, the phalanx is used in combat to some extent, seen extensively in crowd control tactics by police and paramilitary groups.
The phalanx is a great tactical formation with the appropriate equipment and in the correct location that provides a "single front", like Thermopylae, which was so good that it event prevent any possible counter-attack from its most vulnerable side: the right.
However, in open terrain it can be easily overcome if attacked from more than 1 angle, since the formation prevented the warriors from turning their weapons to fight/defend in any angle other than directly upfront of the formation.
Heavy cavalry destroyed Spartan phalanxes. Alexander was great thanks to his heavy cavalry and anvil tactics.
@@CruelestChris that was not the reason though. It was a bit of that plus that their society was more than 60% of slaves who rebelled all the time. They had very little army reserves ,hence why they usually stayed at home.
Alexander's Macedonian phalanx was actually pretty much an antithesis of Spartan warrior ideology. Spartans valued personal physical prowess and combat skill, while macedonian phalanx was relied on cooperation and drilling above all. Macedonians were lightly armored and in fact were designed in response to heavier armored infantry of other Greek states.
This dude literally just copied and pasted this off wikipeida...
*"Preparation of one's body before possible death"* lines up with the saying:
*"Live Fast, Die.Young & leave a good Looking Corpse"* .....y'know, I can dig THAT! 👍
At 12:09 all sound just stops until 14:04.
He addressed it
the Spartans massacred the Helots ( Slaves/Serfs ) every year , Just because they were more numerous . Sparta was a state consumed by Paranoia .
10 000 Spartan warriors were supposed to rule 100 000 Helots. So, how to make sure they wont get fed up being slaves and wont rebel (and basicly drown Spartans by numbers, since they wouldnt probably use narrow passage to eliminate their numbers advantage)? Well, they kept them terrified to the point where any Helot could consider himself/herself favourite of Fortune for every year he/she remained alive. Being an inhabitant of some city ruled by ancient Persia doesnt sound as bad in contrast to this...
Sweet dreams 👋😂
Every Greek is paranoid 😂
@@ajvaronos500 Greeks fought for their freedom. If an enemy wants to slave you tell him ok. 👋😂
Dave Miles My Pappou (Greek Grandpa) Told me the same thing.
Fun fact only 299 Spartans died because 1 left
He was scared lmao
actually 300 Spartans did die because there was 301 Spartans then 1 left
Fun fact, it was never 300 Spartans.
@@nathanb.8114 fun fact: actually there was more than 300 bcauze some used cameras while they were in battle.
@Bob Smith 300 Spartans and 700 Thespians, unfortunately the Spartans took all the glory
Anyone notice at 12:00 the audio cuts out for about 2 full minutes. Surprised he never realized it.
DMCA took the audio clip out of the video for copyright
@@ljc1278 ohhh whaaat damm that's alot of copyright.
Absolutely love History buffs, Nick your a legend, the time and effort you put in to each episode is tremendous, I hope that you can keep it up, thank you for all you do 🥇⭐♾️🌼🤓🥁
I think you've overlooked the *real* masterpiece: _Meet the Spartans_ .
Oh god that thing is pure crap
given how bad "300" is, even a piece of garbage like meet the spartans is kind of the better film, if only marginally.
@macsikar Mackay lol
That movie was fucking hilarious!
"About to shove my happy foot up yo ass"
"Spartan women give birth to real men"
SOMEONE NEEDS A LOT OF ICE AND AN ENTIRE OCEAN TO COOL DOWN!
DAT BURN!!!
She really did say that. Just to an Athenian woman
Luckily, he has both in spades... [reverse burn intensifies]
Did the adiou just cut out at 12:09 for u as well?
Well there you go! This is why Sparta is an inspiration!!
Fun fact: the name Ephialtes(Εφιάλτης) in Greek means nightmare. After his betrayal, his name became the official word of horror dreams for a nation
Fun Fact: 300 is only 15 minutes long if played at normal speed and not in *slow-motion.*
That's simply not true, it's 15 minutes shorter.
Jokes....ha
I too remember this joke when I first heard it in 2006.
Sam C you’re kinda slow
@@BlueScrew4 r/whoosh
Video goes mute for like 5 minutes towards the middle-end
I kept refreshing. Thanks for letting me know my internet connection is ok.
Remember, this movie is made as a legend... The story is told by Dilios to soldiers to motivate them to fight. Of course he exaggerates everything. That's why the movie is made that way and I think, it's perfect.
The Spartans of the Iliad were a different people than the Spartans of 300.Spartans of the Iliad were classic Greeks and were gone by the time the Dorian's conquered the same Spartan land. Taking the name of city Sparta for themselves.Though the country of the city of Sparta was named Laconia Dorian Spartans called themselves Spartans.
Where did you learn that stuff bro?
Drewster
Junior college!! I think I got it right.The sons of Heracles or Hercules fought in Troy and all the tribes of the Dorian's claim to be decedents of Heracles.So some time passed between the Trojan War and the Battle of Thermopylae.maybe 1500 years?
haha i see
you have a more in depth study of the dorians than i, but the iliad showed up in Greece's dark age, somewhere between 1000-8000 i think, while the Greco-Persian war was something around 500- 450
+Cold Duck Trojan war was supposed to have taken place around 1300-1200 BC. So the difference would be about 750 years.
Michael Wyckmans
Yes I looked up the the last stand of Thermopylae, it happened during the Bronze Age So I guess Troy happened during the Golden age or just after the golden age of Greece.
Numbers don't beat superior tech?
Soviet Russia disagrees.
Mother Russia laughs at your feeble use of details and logic.
MORE CONSCRIPTS!!!
There is a fine lecture on youtube by Jonathan House called 'Why Germany lost: The Three Alibis'. It deals with the notion that it was Hitler, bad weather and the superior soviet numbers that defeated Wehrmacht in the East.
You are correct.
It was hilarious.
And you where an acident.
*where.
*acident.
I assume you are talking about WW2, the Russians always had better tanks then the Germans
“When the legend becomes fact , print the legend”-
The sound cuts out before part 3
You also forgot to mention how the infant spartans were bathed in wine, so the ones who survived supposedly had a better chance of becoming strong warriors. In addition during their trainning they used to drink blood(usually boar's) mixed with honey to supposedly develop stronger immune systems.
That's just sick
@Matthew Shrubsole *tips fedora* M'lady
we do it today also
Xexes didn't think he was invading "Greece" because "Greece" wasn't a unified state, in theory or practise. Funny enough, the Persian Wars were the beginning of a collective Greek identity.
They were Greek in the same way that we could invade "South America", that wouldn't mean you invade Argentina and instantly Bolivia feels under attack too. There's absolutely a shared culture, but, crucially when we're talking about military invasion, not political unity.
The fuck is xexes
Freudian slip
You don't need a sovereign state to have a name for a place. The land was called Greece (Hellas) and Xerxes(like Darius before heim) wanted to make it his province. Regarding the very source of the Persian Wars, Herodotus' "Histories" (just a few quotes from book 5 which doesn't even refer to incidents in Greece!):
"At this time the Greeks who were settled around them were for the most part Ionians, and after being taught the letters by the Phoenicians, they used them with a few changes of form. In so doing, they gave to these characters the name of Phoenician, as was quite fair seeing that the Phoenicians had brought them into Greece"
"This was he whose daughter (if indeed the tale is true) Pausanias the Lacedaemonian, son of Cleombrotus, at a later day betrothed to himself, since it was his wish to possess the sovereignty of Hellas. After appointing Megabates general, Artaphrenes sent his army away to Aristagoras. "
"Having been admitted to converse with Cleomenes, Aristagoras spoke thus to him: “Do not wonder, Cleomenes, that I have been so eager to come here, for our present situation is such that the sons of the Ionians are slaves and not free men, which is shameful and grievous particularly to ourselves but also, of all others, to you, inasmuch as you are the leaders of Hellas. Now, therefore, we entreat you by the gods of Hellas to save your Ionian kinsmen from slavery "
And on to book 6:
"Then Darius attempted to learn whether the Greeks intended to wage war against him or to surrender themselves. He sent heralds this way and that throughout Hellas, bidding them demand a gift of earth and water for the king. He despatched some to Hellas, and he sent others to his own tributary cities of the coast, commanding that ships of war and transports for horses be built."
"So the cities set about these preparations. The heralds who went to Hellas received what the king's proclamation demanded from many of those dwelling on the mainland and from all the islanders to whom they came with the demand. Among the islanders who gave earth and water to Darius were the Aeginetans. The Athenians immediately came down upon them for doing this, for they supposed the Aeginetans to have given the gift out of enmity for Athens, so they might join with the Persians in attacking the Athenians. Gladly laying hold of this pretext, they went to Sparta and there accused the Aeginetans of acting to betray Hellas."
"While Cleomenes was in Aegina working for the common good of Hellas, Demaratus slandered him, not out of care for the Aeginetans, but out of jealousy and envy. "
"For in three generations, that is, in the time of Darius son of Hystaspes and Xerxes son of Darius and Artaxerxes son of Xerxes, more ills happened to Hellas than in twenty generations before Darius; some coming from the Persians, some from the wars for preeminence among the chief of the nations themselves."
"ll this concerns and depends on you in this way: if you vote with me, your country will be free and your city the first in Hellas. But if you side with those eager to avoid battle, you will have the opposite to all the good things I enumerated."
t's getting too common. Hellas/Greece as the objective of the war in almost every paragraph.
The Trojan War was the beginning of a collective Greek identity.
Hey man, I’m a huge fan of your videos and I love the depths you go to in giving more detail about what life was like back then, as well as if the films were accurate in their history or not. That being said, there’s one movie I’d love you to review. One of my favorite historical movies was “Gangs of New York” with Oscar winners Leonardo DiCaprio and Daniel Day-Lewis. Still gives me chills to this day and I’d love to see you do a review on that film
I agree
The basic food of the Spartan elite was. a stew composed of blood and vinegar.
A visitor from Corinth, faced with this "dish", commented "this explains why they don't mind dying."
I thought it was Phillip of Macedonia who said,
"If I enter Laconia I shall burn Sparta to the ground."
To which he received the one word reply, "If"
It is
It is and it's basically what ended up saving them. Sparta was becoming a backwards backwater by that point, the answer amused Alexander so he just didn't bother with them.
No, Philip asked if the Spartans would rather him come to them as a friend or as an enemy, the response received was neither.
@@capidosia After looking it up, what I said is what he said.
The one word "If" gave rise to our word "Laconic"meaning brevity
of speech.