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I thank you so much TTC, I love your guys channel and what you guys has done here :) Thank you from the bottom of my heart
Our pleasure for sure! You hit a home-run thinking up this one, we're just spitting out the ugga duggas
@@TorqueTestChannel more mods will be coming soon as well :)
That's a clever model MCT, Nice to see other CZcams content creators on other channels. Nice collab
Compressed Nitrogen / Electric hybrid driver?
I need to know if this will work the same on other impact drivers, I wanna test it on a ryobi so if I mess it up I don’t feel as bad…
This is invaluable. I work for Cummins and I'm the new guy which means all the buses, RV's, and other tight engine bay jobs. This looks like a fun project and if this impact driver is shorter and more powerful than the compact m18 then I'd be a fool not to make one myself. Love the content bud, you guys are crushing the testing game right now. Please keep up the great work, the dislikes are from Milwaukee Exec's that said no to this idea in the boardroom.
id take working on 6.7 Ram 2500/3500 cummins any day over those beasts you work on! I work for a very large mopar dealership
Dislikes are execs hahah
Did Milwaukee make this tool yet?
"Tony Stark built this in a cave!" "With scraps!"
*Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave with a box of scraps
MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Well im not tony stark
hajahahahah
😂😂😂🤣😂😭😅
I pray milwaukee sees this and just gives us what we want
They probably will
I've sent it to a handful of my friends who work there!
@@thssnare07 let us know if you hear anything in the works from your friends!!!
I sure hope not, Milwaukee isn't dumb there's a very good reason the wrench and driver are the way they are. The hammer im the impact is more skookum and will handle abuse for longer. Generally the driver isn't stalled out impacting as its driving screws and the anvil has some forward inertia. The impact wrench will spend more times stalled impacting so it needs to have better durability
they do tend to deliver
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. czcams.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
I can say that I am impressed by these numbers this Frankenstein tool put up for sure. What I'm not impressed by is why this channel only has 14k subscribers. Come on guys let's share this channel out there. These guys are legit and need some love! They deserve it!
18k subs now
21.5k now
24.4K now
29.6K and +1 from me right now.
Seriously I second this comment
I'd assume (a big assumption) that the mechanics of the impact driver might produce better numbers, but lose long-term durability when used this way? Gonna have to ask Milwaukee about this. Fantastic video TTC. Grats Man Caver on such a cool build! I've watched this twice. Bout to watch it again!
That was our 1st thoughts as well! But we know some jobsite guys who lay into these as hard as we do on our wrenches if not more. Maybe its just at those torque levels its no Bueno, but at lower no worries.
With the increase in bpm I would also assume you are on to something.
That said, guys use the impact drivers longer and harder with repetitive screw driving than removing a handful of bolts at a time.
Definitely interesting.
Something not mentioned here is that impact drivers impact both forward and rotationally, while impact wrenches only impact rotationally. If the actual striking mechanism isn't changed, then using an impact driver with a 1/2" anvil swap is going to absolutely destroy the detent pin spring in the anvil, the detent pin hole in the sockets, or the hog nose ring over time just by constantly popping it in and out of alignment as the tool is being used. Impact driver's have that slop in the 1/4" hex to allow for that forward and back movement, sockets don't.
For Milwaukee to shove an anvil on the impact driver, they'd have to create specialty sockets that allow for forward/back slop (maybe by having an extended detent pin groove?) otherwise warranty is going to kill them.
Looks like many small punches are better than one big.
It's logical:
When wrench punches the nut, slower speed (bigger intervals) creates a pressure gap to the nut, so the nut rebounds and wrench starts from almost the same pressure spot.
Driver is faster so removes such impact gaps and the pressure to the nut is more constant.
What about air pressure wrenches? Aren't they also like 7000 IPM?
Would be interesting to see with slow motion camera.
@@LordOfSilense interesting point. I would wonder if it would wear the sockets out prematurely or if the wear would be cumulative and last until the useful life of the socket is used up. I don't know if the forward and backward movement is enough to cause excessive wear or not.
Sounds like we need someone to do some long term testing.
My own personal Frankenstein driver is just shy of a year old and it cops some serious abuse.
I did it myself to specifically use it for zipping off wheels and whatnot instead of swinging my high torque around. Long story short, my high torque pretty much collects dust now.
Crank bolts, axle nuts, you name it and this little freak can do it. Obviously there are limitations, but for something so small, it packs a serious punch. 👌🏼👌🏼
Are there instructions on how to make one?
@@narutobroken wouldn't recommend due to longevity issues, exploded the hammer assembly after 18 months 😂
@@BryceMR2SW20 oh no lol I’ll avoid and just get the mid torque in addition to my compact then
@@narutobroken that's a good call, the mid torques are awesome!
It's refreshing to see such useful information on CZcams. No hype, just easy to understand tests.
I love this test. Years ago I found a brushless DeWalt kit at home Depot that was on clearance. It included an impact driver with that cheesy quarter inch hex bit. I went online and ordered a 3/8 anvil for a non brushless and after cutting the decals and opening it up I found that it fit. As a mechanic it's the best tool I've ever had at work!
Cheesy? Wtf are you on about. Quarter inch hex impact drivers have changed the game for most trades. They are for driving screws.
If the mod works for you, great. But as a builder I couldn't live without that "cheesy" tool. All you have done is convert it into a wrench. That's great, but now it sucks at driving screws, that's why I have two impact drivers that get run hard every day, and an impact wrench I only bring out to drive bolts into concrete, a job all my mates use impact drivers for.
@@Patrick-857 "That's great, but now it sucks at driving screws, " I mean I guess you could say the same thing everytime you put a philips bit in it. Great, but now it can't drive robertsons. Lol. I use my 1/4 impact driver for everything and very rarely do i come across a bolt it can't bust loose. I don't know how much torque it puts out but i was using it to run down lugnuts and accidently let it go for a second too long and it torqued my lugnuts to over 130 ft/lbs
@@Patrick-857 he's got an Asian mail order bride. His low IQ has already prevailed.
Ok so I made this conversion myself and I’ve used it for a while now. I’m a auto tech and use it daily. The things it’s taken off is crazy. It’s able to remove crank pulley bolts on Nissan vq engines. It zapps off caliper bolts with ease. This is literally my money maker right here for heavy line work
Hey Ruben!
I just got mine last week and the anvil came a couple days ago. Going to put it together hopefully by this weekend. Did you have any videos of your setup? Also which battery are you using? Mine came used with a 1.5ah lol
I think you answered the fundamental question with the failure of the 1/4" adapter -- the reason they put more beans into the impact driver is speed, not torque. They figure it will never be used for 200+ ft/lbs applications but once in a blue moon, so they don't have to design the internals to take that much punishment.
I bet if you drove it to max torque a few hundred times, the impact driver would fail long before the impact wrench, which is designed for repeated high torque applications.
As a Project Farm fan boy I have to say I love the style of your testing.
Got tired of wasting impact driver and dont wanna be second guessing if or when the bit adapter will break so i jumped on this mod and everything you said was spot one from the feel and power. now i have a dewalt 1/2" to hex adaptor which made this tool more robust imho. lol thanks for doing this video and to Man caver tools for making the MCT18 ;)
I literally don't know what this is or what your saying but I found this very entertaining and helpful in the future.
Also, you have been blessed by the YT algo
Good to know! Haha thanks!
Glad I found you. Reading through these comments has me feeling like a fish in outer space
Thank you guys very much for the opportunity to help out. 🙏🏼
Have you considered running each tool until a clear peak shows? In general, a lot of the tools still have an upwards slope when you stop the tests. The manufacturers may be running them until a max value is reached, regardless the time.
I think the point is that anything longer than 15 seconds is sort of absurd to just let it impact sit on a bolt and I mean yeah you could build more torque that way but I think they’re just trying to demonstrate how much torque you could reasonably expect
What the guy above me said, nobody is going to be impacting for 15 seconds straight.
@@agoogleuser1188 yes. “Reasonably expect”. But the question that he posed, was a pretty good one. Maybe the numbers aren’t met sometime due to manufacturers just running the tool until the peak stops. At whatever length of time that may be.
Be pretty interesting to watch, but a WHOLE different test, and couldn’t be put on the point charts that are currently used- since there would be no common factor- such as elapsed time (5,10, or 15 sec in these cases), since each impact separately could potentially run infinitely (or a different number of seconds each).
It would seriously be nothing more than a plot of how high you could make it go!
🤔 🤔 which would still be cool to see lol
@@Syncopia I mean I've impacted seized on axle nuts for well over a few minutes, until it did eventually break loose. It's not often but sometimes you have to
@@Syncopia you've obviously never met a sprinkler fitter.
I've broken so many different impact adapters with my hex driver. The best and strongest ones so far are the husky adapters
You guys are about to reach a very exponential Growth this channel it’s awesome didn’t realize how small u were
Hey thanks! i think when this video was posted we had around 20k subs :)
Very focused approach, really gets the to the core of the problem. I have my own solution based on using these tools on actual jobs. 3/4 drive impact wrench and adapters. Not many bolt/nut's can resist. I would imagine adapters add torque, as per Lisle sockets or Ingersol Rand power sockets. Extra mass, extra smash.
Apparently, adapters hurt torque. TTC did a video on this. I thought the same thing, but no.
i just did this as described and can say its a nice tool. i have a machine shop with a lathe and so i bored the bush bearing out in the head that supports the anvil which gave a very nice result. this gun is now going to be doing alot of work for me. thanks for the idea.
love seeing the shadow shout-out to @ProjectFarm! I had literally just finished watching the video where he tested those adapters lol
I hope Milwaukee is watching
You and man caver are basically doing there job for them lol
It would be cool to see a M12 driver with a 3/8 anvil
there is one, they just don't stock it in big-box stores. It's the 2554-20.
Man caver's videos are trash. They show absolutely nothing. The idiot doesn't even test hammer drills in concrete 99% of the time.
@@thejo6331 I think you're mistaken, as far as I can figure the 3/8" M12 is a model number 2554-20
@@barrylinkiewich9688 shit I think you're right, my bad!
Dude the stubby is amazing!
15 seconds into this video existing and 4 likes. Shucks guys, 'ppreciate you!
4 minutes and 17 upvotes, thanks for bringing back good tool reviews again to youtube.
I own the M12 versions of everything listed here. The comment "if you are relying on this for whatever rust pile rolls into the shop."
Almost everyone would be shocked to see what the little twelves are capable of.
@@MrAPCProductions 12's coming up, they are no slouch!
Regulars don't need to watch to know we're gonna like what we see
@@TorqueTestChannel Bought the original m12 3/8 impact when it first premiered years ago, bought the 3/8 stubby when it premiered. Almost everything under a m14 or 1/2 inch thread, regardless of corrosion level comes loose in seconds.
Also purely anecdotal, Lisle makes extremely heavy for "caliber" sockets specifically designed to increase power from impacts. I promise they work in reality, even from such a compact wrist rattle cannon as the 2463-20
Last time I was this early Man Caver Tools still had Ryobi in the name
This custom one looks pretty much like what Makita did for the XWT14. Makita got 430 lb-ft I think from a tool the size of your avg 1/4" impact driver. Sounds like the perfect tool for most smaller non seized bolts. Light, compact, powerful
So anybody want to wager how fast 1/2” anvils from Milwaukee go on back order?!😁
They already are!!
With the fuel tools you have to buy the entire anvil/hammer/nose cone assembly and they cost about the same as a new bare tool
@@NDC1115, of course, the pricks.
@@NDC1115 Ya know them Milwaukee impact guns have a 5 years warranty. Look online and you can figure out when it was made from the serial number.
Did this conversion over the weekend and yes it performs just like in these videos! I'll put some videos up on my channel soon so you all can see. Very impressive even with a 1.5Ah battery
I like how impact drivers can spin off a nut or bolt usually faster than an impact wrench after it's broken loose
Well drivers are made for running in screws. They are tuned for speed. They are awesome for small bolts in easy to reach places. You can do the job in about a quarter of the time.
I cannot tell you how happy I am that you guys made this video! Love you MCT!
Those dewalt impact adaptors are the strongest according to Project Farm 👍👍
Great job. Thanks Dave for making this possible.
What would be interesting to see is the 1/4 in M12 stubby (2552) vs the M12 impact driver (2553), on the outside the look to be exactly the same just with different anvils
They are quite different inside this is the impact driver internals documents.milwaukeetool.com/54-26-2550.pdf and the stubby internals documents.milwaukeetool.com/54-26-2570.pdf
@@guy990 the 1/4in drive stubby uses the same body, that's the 3/8 and 1/2 drive
I was wondering the same thing. I would love to convert my extra m12 fuel driver into a 1/4" impact wrench.
Just made one of these! Waited at least 4 months for the anvil that was on back order... Super pumped to put it to use!
Nice!
Sweet custom tool !
Hopefully tools get to be like RC car brushless motors where they can be customized with different torque speed patterns. One day it will be here
For whatever its worth, i built one of these and tested it myself. Ran a 7/8-10 bolt in til it stopped (about 15 sec) and checked the bolt torque with a calibrated torque wrench. I got to 335ft/lb before the bolt moved again in tightening.
I did the same "test" with a new milwaukee gen 2 mid torque and got 340ft lbs.
this channel is so damn satisfying to watch, thank you for the content!
I use the m18 1/4" and 3/8 fuel impacts every day, great tools, sadly the trigger is failing in the 1/4 after some years of use, sent it out for repairs/warranty but because the s/n was unreadable it was declined (its stamped into foil on the side of the housing). will try to change it out myself. Great channel here.
Love the setup. I'm so annoyed by shills drilling screws into 2x4s.
Huh ?
Awesome testing processes and procedures. Clean clear and precise. Nicely done...
Get the husky adapters. They seem to be the strongest out there. A few tool channels have shown that.
We'll give it a shot!
My drill driver is almost as strong as my 1/2 mid tourqe impact, the drill driver typically binds the hex in the collet and snaps it off, what a joy get out
I modded my DeWalt DCF850 into a 3/8" anvil. It's pretty sweet. If I had a torque wrench over 150ft-lbs, I'd test it. It has done everything I've thrown at it so far.
So cute when two youtubers ive been following basically since the start find eachother
This channel is like heaven for impact wrench 'nuts' 😁👌
So glad to see the views and subscriber count looking like your graphs. Keep climbing baby! TTC stocks are going up! 📈📈📈
Tsunauticus, email us about becoming a comment moderator if you want to be one! TorqueTestChannel@gmail.com
@@TorqueTestChannel I just sent you an email. Thank you very much for the opportunity. I really appreciate it. 🙏🏼
i work on boilers and chillers. rust and steam gualling is an evil combo. i tend to go with a breaker bar and 4ft pipe to get my bolts loose. lol or just break them because they needed replacing anyway.
You can get a impact wrench and drill kit on sale often for $50-$100 off and get into a m18 system, this modified impact wrench would fill a gap that exists which is a midtorque impact wrench kit from Milwaukee
Interesting. I have been usi g my Bayer driver just like this and have been impressed with just how well it worked
"...you're already sol." THIS is a great channel!
Ya I had found info on using a 3/8 drive anvil from a milwaukee in a ridgid impact and did it it seems to work fine
Mancaver has to torture test it now!
you guys are the best and that was a great video
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MAKE ME ONE
I love that Frankenstein impact if Milwaukee doesn’t make this I’m going to make my own!
Hey Garrison G,
Did you ever make yours?
I just got mine last week and the anvil came a few days ago. Should have it all together hopefully in the next day or two.
@@mike_t_007 I did it works fantastic I have to make another one tho because someone “borrowed” mine unfortunately
@@garrisong Uh oh! Hopefully it's not like that "friend " that borrows $50 and swears he'll have it next Friday 😯
I just bought the gen3 3/8 impact wrench and the thing took off the axle nut with a 1/2 driver adapter. And now I see this...THE POSSIBILITIES!
Milwaukee really needs a freak style anvil like Bosch makes. In fact, I think that is the only way these drivers could handle more power given that they break adapters so much as is.
Go to O'Reilly's and get a Titan driver they don't break
Never a disappointment in your findings and testing methods. Everyone is catching on.
Like what you are doing! Maybe add a little more light to the torque test rig to make it easier for us to see the numbers as they are being tested.
You’re probably my favorite tool channel
Wow, thank you!
So I think I might know the reason they don’t build this. I was watching an interview with an engineer for chainsaws. The discussion was “why do you limit the power of these saws?” Knowing that with modification these saws can put out wild horsepower and way outperform stock. The engineer essentially said he can make a saw that would beat 2 classes above it, but it will only run for maybe 15-20 hours, where as we can provide steady working saws at different levels that will run for hundreds of hours.
So I feel that they don’t do this in order to provide longer lasting tools at various levels. That said, saws are a 2 cycle combustion engine which has a much more demanding method of making power.
Milwaukee just needs to add an anvil with a hex bit hole in the middle, like the Bosch. Then you can use for both purposes.
yes but bosch has the patent ;)
I knew that thing was an absolute monster, the things I've done with it even through the hex adapter is insane in the real world.
Omg you are such a tease! Where's the Ingersoll Rand 2235 ti review? Haha I've been waiting on it for so long since that little teaser!
Thank you for conversion to Nm. Very helpful for european guys.
Immediately liked and subscribed! And I will always click on the ad so that hopefully you will receive a small cut of revenue. Easy enough to open and close a web page!
You guys the real MVPs!
Great job Mancaver!
You just got Milwaukee to revisit engineering!
They should put your design into production immediately and cut you a big fat check for your ideas.
Thanks ,Enjoyed and learned a little. Just bought a shirt. Always Enjoy a little humor.
Y'all should settle the issue of the IR 2235TiMAX vs SnapOn PT850. I am personally on the side of 2235Ti...but that is just from my experience of dealing with both. Also in the last 2 weeks, I've literally watched every video you guys have uploaded. Keep up the honest work.
Honored, Tristan! 2235TiMAX this Sunday evening!
Don't forget that while sure the custom one is a bit stronger he does not give a warranty, so making it strong is one thing making it last is another
Great stuff as always. Have a look at the Bosch GDS 18V-1000 Professional and GDS 18V-1050 H Professional, both taking advantage of Boschs Biturbo technology
Please make a separate video while using different HO batteries? MCT was using a HO on that killer Frankenstein Curious to see the power it can really put out with that extra power bump. Maybe do the run again with the stubby/Compact using HO's aswell. Great Vid👍
I cannot wait for the Hilti Nuron testing
Makes me wonder about the long term viability. The anvil from an impact wrench has a higher mass for inertia so the motor doesn’t have to spin as fast. Torque over speed. Whereas the driver is using speed and a lower mass anvil to achieve the torque. So it makes me wonder if the MCT motor will burn out faster than the wrench.
Imagine if Milwaukee had developed the the "Freak" attachment Bosch did that combined the 1/4 and 1/2 impact and wrench heads?
I think they'd just lose sales on full impacts vs a max like idk 50 dollar deal? Probably far less. Love the idea too, but for a buisness standpoint i think it would not be good. It's gonna be them or another brand that does it though so.
@@baileyhatfield4273 well bosch and makita obviously found a price point to make it worth while with swappable head size
@@Apolloneek so corners were cut somewhere else, probably in the lithium.
@@allrimmedout most likely makita is known as having finecky batteries and bosch actually has good batteries
@@Apolloneek yeah but the internals of the Bosch actually burn out faster too Milwaukee burns out in the clutch mechanisms and the anvils and my DeWalt actually burned out on the Anvil as well except the Anvil was cheap to repair it $13 they wanted something like $50 for a Anvil for the Milwaukee
I made this!! Taking off lug nuts is always a surprise. 🤷🏿♀️
I'd love to see you integrate some form of torture testing on your tools as well. Push each to a breaking point to determine how durable they are! Love the channel!
Project farm tested the adapters for impact drivers. I'm sure you already know.
Yes! The DeWalt did quite well, but again constant torque not impacting which is hard to quantify like that.
@@TorqueTestChannel I have no doubt at all that any brand would fail at some point.
@@TorqueTestChannel You could get a 1/2" square to 1/4" hex adapter to do some destructive testing.
I'm assuming that he got "the word" about the Dewalt impact driver adapters from project farm lol both great channels with thorough testing and reviews
The first gen, brushed, Milwaukee range had an m12 2462, 1/4 impact driver and a 2463 3/8 impact wrench. Looking at the parts breakdown of both the only difference is the anvil. There was 200 inch pounds spec difference (3/8 wrench being higher).
I know these are old news but it looks like Milwaukee has already thought of this some time ago. Don't know why they discontinued this practice.
Just remember: there are other considerations here. It's not just torque, but torque + cost + usability + durability. If it wins in torque and usability but loses in cost and/or durability, it might be an overall loser for Milwaukee.
This Channel is awesome and much appreciated on ur videos.i was looking for a channel like this👍🏼
my boss bragged his makita impact driver was best on market. using a double ended insert between both my milwaukee inpact and his makita, my impact driver destroyed the makita's internals XD some people really dont understand torque.
Very interesting thanks to both of your channels
Excellent work and great graphics!
Dyno for tools! you get a like sir.
An overclocked impact driver? Yes please!
another thing to think about is the socket yes the same socket was used but the impact driver hits faster and i bet the hammer is also larger which would add up to more force early on then flatten out
I'm wondering if maybe the reason the driver offers more IPM is a lighter weight hammer assembly. Then my only concern would be long term longevity. If it tears itself apart internally in half the time of the wrench, that could be why milwaukee didn't go that route. I have no idea, this is just speculation without seeing all the parts side by side. Still I'd love to build one for those annoyingly tight spaces.
I would like to see a "120v electric Impact Wrench comparison", between several brands and compared to air impact to see how they perform. I just bought a PORTER-CABLE Impact Wrench, 7.5-Amp, 1/2-Inch (PCE211) and i liked, would be great if could include this tool on the test
There is a good chance Milwaukee see this and possibly making this tool. I heard then watch a lot of these videos. Awesome job
I considered doing this myself but opted against it for 2 reason. 1st was obviously warranty. the 2nd thing that made me not do it was the internals. The impact driver is super powerful, but it only uses a 2 pinion ring gear vs the wrench's 3 pinion. I was worried over long term abuse it would not hold up.
I hope this gets flown up the flagpole at Milwaukee. “Hey, some guy made this in his garage by slapping some parts together. Surely we can do better.”
I was about to say it would be cool if it was one of those uh...hex bit and anvil combo deals where you COULD stick a bit into it, but well milwaukee would lose sales, and that's not gonna happen, but it would be cool. Nice how that homeade tool stacks up and just works its magic.
Makes you wonder how the 7/16 utility driver holds up and if using a larger drive system with high IPM would be something to implement. If like to see Milwaukee's 2865 driver against these numbers, but I think it's in a class of it's own in the mid torque family.
I made one of these. About to try and make a 3/8th one next.
The 1/2 inch adapter from DeWalt is said to be the strongest adapter.
Someone has been watching Farm Project.
Heres a torque test for you...
Get that 1 inch bolt bit, attach a cheater bar on the end, attach a ROCKET to the cheater bar....
You can do this same thing to a ryobi brushless driver using a ridgid anvil. I was going to do the swap but someone stole the extra driver I had 🤦🏻♂️ I don't miss living in the city.
Woow Man Caver Tools ! You should work for Milwaukee! Excellent!