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The history of underwear can help you choose INTERESTING Valentine's Day boudoir outfits
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2024
- From medieval chemises to vintage lingerie and garter belts, the history of underwear is full of great ideas for your Valentines' boudoir outfits-- even if you wear modern lingerie and you're only dressing up for yourself! Thank you Birch Living for sponsoring! Click here birchliving.com/SnappyDragon to get 20% off your Birch mattress (plus two free Eco-Rest pillows!) during the early access to their President’s Day sale. Offers subject to change. #birchliving
Boudoir outfits and lingerie have changed a lot through the history of fashion. So what makes for the best Valentine's Day lingerie, in any era? I dove into the history of underwear to find out, and it turns out that whether you're in loose, shapeless Medieval shifts, Victorian corsets, delicate Edwardian undergarments, or modern lingerie, it's the same things that make for the best romantic outfits. Historical underwear was a lot simpler in the Medieval and baroque periods, but there was still subtle variation. Medieval undergarments was usually made of linen, and finely woven bright white linen was the most attractive because it was costly, high-quality, and a little see-through! Noble ladies sometimes wore silk nightgowns too, which were considered attractive for the same reasons, Medieval romances talk about how beautiful these shifts and chemises are, so it's easy to see how these are a staple of the historty of romance. Moving onwards, we start to see a little more decoration, like the lace or blackwork embroidery on Elizabethan shirts, but this is usually at the collar and cuffs where it can be seen when you're fully dressed.
But the history of lingerie takes a turn when it comes to baroque clothing. A huge number of English court ladies were painted by the famous artist Peter Lely in what look like romantic fantasy costumes, but they're actually bedroom outfits! These ladies wear chemises and robes, a staple of baroque clothing worn only in private, when getting ready for bed. Having their portraits painted in fancy silk boudoir outfits was like a modern celebrity doing a photoshoot in fancy lingerie! Everything from stockings to garters was a subject of the vintage romantic imagination in the 18th century, and we have plenty of folk songs and cartoons about people describing how attractive these underpinnings are.
It wasn't just seeing someone in their underwear that was exciting, though. In the 19th century, as fashion became more ornate and more affordable, some corsets became so colorful they'd put modern lingerie to shame! Lingerie design had a huge amount of variation, and antique corset history is full of decorative designs to contrast with plain cotton lingerie for everyday wear. Even the chemise, the most basic of Victorian undergarments, got more and more decorated, with lace and ribbons available. It's like the reverse of how we see garter belts : Today, they're decorative and very exciting, but vintage garter belts could actually be as boring as granny panties! Vintage garters were everyday items, not necessarily made to be attractive, even though plenty of vintage lingerie could be romantic and decorative.
So what can fashion history teach us, from looking at all these foundation garments? A few things have stayed true about lingerie through fashion's evolution. The most attractive lingerie is what stands out, whether it's because of being high-quality or expensive, because it's colorful or decorative, or simply because it's an outfit only seen in the boudoir. So whether you like your underwear colorful or plain, bustiers or chemises or garter belts, vintage lingerie or modern, historical costuming is happy to help you choose your outfit for Valentine's Day.
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Also the public vs private thing really shows when you think about the way bikini vs underwear are seen.
Yes! I've always wondered about that one. Tiny bikini? Fine. But catch a glimpse of a woman in a full-cup bra and ohmygods (slightly exaggerated, but ya know what I mean).
People do get plenty hot and bothered over swimsuits, but people get excited about particularly attractive public clothes also. The _Phenomenon Of Human Thirst_ is varied and limitless 🤣
A Thing I never got 😅
@@SingingSealRiana Consent is the thing. If I choose to wear a bikini to say a beach, I choose that that is what I'm showing the world at that particular moment/location. If people in general (and not my spouse for example) see me in my underwear they're peeping in a changing room or my bedroom which I didn't choose.
There is a classic kiwi add (for ice cream I think) that has a guy waking from the beach to shops ( or vice versa) wearing "speedos" type swimwear (called togs) which look like underwear, the voice over goes togs togs undies...as he moves away from the beach. Context defines what is acceptable
When I was around 19, I had suffered for 3 years with constant UTIs, I practically lived on antibiotics and advil. Finally my doctor ordered a series of tests to see why I was living in a state of constant UTI
Turns out, I was allergic to the dyes in panty hose, these were not ordinary UTIs, but allergic reactions. He told me, "stop wearing panty hose", and I asked him, "what do I wear under my dresses then?"
His answer floored me, 'have you never heard of a garter belt and stockings?"
In that time, (pre internet) there was only one place to get said belt and stockings, "Frederick's of Hollywood"
There's even a more general reason for making that switch. Panty hose is inclined to keep your underparts more humid than is healthy.
I once had to tell a guy that if he discovers that the woman he's about intimate with is wearing a matching bra and panty set, she planned to be intimate with him. It was humorous watching him go from not comprehending what I said to wide eyed surprise.
Not *always* true, but certainly useful to consider 🤣
One day at work we had a conversation about wearing matching bra/underwear sets, and I was surprised at how many people said they choose to match every single day!
ITS Not an absolut, but yeah, very very likely
I gave up on trying to get matching sets at all because I have such a hard finding underwear that fits in the first place…but if I’m breaking out the corsets after I get home, beloved gets the message. Corsets before work, on the other hand, usually means my back is actually killing me or I’m after a hug.
@@fryingpan552 Wow, that would cost me a fortune to buy my expensive bras AND their matching sets (and more than one pair of underwear because you should exchange those every day). I also wash underwear on hot, as in boiling hot, for hygiene, most sets match the fabric of the bra, which tends to be synthetic. Those don't hold up great in super hot washes.
Great point about the use of satin and lace in lingerie in modern times, but it got me thinking: so often those materials are *synthetic* today. Like, you're supposed to be all fancy and sexy... but you're wearing sweaty plastic.
*_THANK YOU!_*
It holds true especially if you look at what silk lingerie costs today. It was seen as an absurd luxury in the middle ages, and it kinda still is!
And think about the modern perception of "sexy" in the media. It often *is* sleazy, not romantic (in fact to get romantic it is often set in non-modern contexts, like period dramas). So plastic, and being uncomfortable, and synthetic all kinds of fits that right? Maybe the fabrics, textures, and smells are what's caused that link between sexy/sleazy.
I love how we tend to have romanticized ideas of what historical undergarments were like when we all know darn well what our skivies drawers look like 😂
This is true of SO MANY things
In the 90's, I worked in construction, as a sprinklerfitter. It was .very. hard work, and the cutting oil stained my nails black. I started getting acrylic nails to cover the stains, and to make myself feel more feminine. Because of if that feeling, I also took to wearing very fancy lace undergarments underneath my work clothes. IF I told anyone, they thought it was because I was doing some "adventuring" during work hours. This infuriated me. I wrote pretty things just for me, to remind myself that I was, in fact, still a pretty thing, even though I did very hard work. 😊
*Edit - now? I won't even wear a bra with underwires and my outer clothes are prettier than my underclothes! But at that point in my life I needed it. ❤
Around a decade ago, I had a summer job overseeing a house rennovation. I would go to work in plain t-shirts and jeans or cargo pants, hair tied back . . . and brightly colored lipstick.
My crew were all friends, so they were used to it.
@@SnappyDragon maintaining your own gender identity (and your own personal perception of it) is so important! I don't know why, but it is.
Yes!! I like a certain balance of feminine/masculine and traditional/edgy in my clothes, so if I'm wearing a lot of one, it's gotta get balanced out! For me, when I was wearing khakis and polos every day to work, my weekend clothes were always swooshy dresses and long skirts. I love your choice of undergarments as a sprinklerfitter!
Former English major here, and the Much Ado about Nothing joke killed me 🤣
it's my favorite Shakespeare, I will never not joke about it
Same. Playing Beatrice opposite the husband-creature as Benedick is goals.
I caught that too! Gave me a chuckle.
"You are an ass!"
[Dogberry stops, everyone turns around.]
"You! Are! An! ASS!"
[Dogberry absolutely flips out.]
Have it writ down, that I am an ass!@@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874
I'll always call it dehydration-inducing undergarments from now on xD
Muahahaha 😁
Thank you for entertaining me while I'm hand-felling a seam of a pair of bloomers I'm making. They are gonna be so pretty that I, in fact, would love to show them off.
I am all for showing off the pretty underthings!
Technically private clothes also include loungewear, like sweatpants and PJs, and the thought of someone fanning themselves because they saw me in my full length flannel Harry Potter PJs is kind of hilarious.
It takes all kinds . . . 😁
Well, people also are very into you wearing their stuff though wearing an oversized Shirt really should Not BE sexy all cause of implications
For YEARS I felt odd about being seen in my pajamas because of reading old novels where being seen in your nightgown was roughly the equivalent of being seen naked. Thankfully the college dorms knocked that out of me.
Enjoying the subtext of Vi dressing in thirst-trap undies for herself, but "herself" actually being the other historical versions of Vi. 😆
I didn't plan it that way, but I am very happy with this interpretation 💚
Your video reminded me of Karolina's time traveller video in which the victorian time traveller who visits our times asks: "why is everyone in their underwear". 😂
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My favorite folk song euphemism comes from "My Thing is My Own" which is all about turning down thirsty guys:
"He spoke of a slit
That I had above knee
But I'll have no tailors
To stitch it for me!"
Could be about a tear in a shift or petticoat... or something else....
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"Why don't you buy prettier underwear?"
Because no one but me is going to see it and I don't care what it looks like as long as it's comfortable.😂
The comfort is a major, major factor.
same!!
I have heard from some people who engage in more sex (I'm demisexual) that sometimes the comfortable but "unattractive" underwear can be *more* of a turn-on for them: the attractive stuff means he or she was intending to have sex with you - the comfortable stuff means he or she *wasn't* planning on it; and thus is more of a tribute to one's abilities of seduction and/or foreplay.
@@cristoferwolz-romberger3835 Eh, that would greatly depend on the person. Also, trying to turn a no into a yes can get very close to coercion/pressuring very quickly. But yeah, I'm sure there are people who would find the comfy stuff hotter, for a multitude of reasons.
I'm picky. I want even my comfy clothes to be pretty. (Except if it's sports underwear, and in this particular case sports does not include dancing.)
"Tie-dye your plain cotton undies" hahaha that's what I always do when there's still colour left in a dyepot!
It's so great! Until I learned to sew undies, my usual ones were all crackle-dyed teal and green.
@@SnappyDragonHaha, I've got purple and sage green tie dye undies, but my mom has a full colour tie dye kit and I've got a whole package of white granny panties just waiting!! I want to try sewing undies but haven't found fabric I want to use yet. Also my two sewing machines I'd hoped would be awesome for knits are less so for anything right now (one got misaligned and I think needs servicing again, the other doesn't want to do more than 2 layers of anything before it snaps its thread, though I MIGHT have found the problem)...
If I ever had a dyepot, I'd certainly do this!
I did mine in old tupperware :D Low-water immersion dyeing lends itself well to underthings, and if it's cotton or rayon you don't need any heat to set the dye.
When my children were doing some tie-dye t-shirts, we sneaked out a pair of my husband's underwear and tie-dyed a bullseye on the package and each buttock. They came out so well and he thought they were hilarious!
I feel like corsets/stays have almost had a bell curve of outerwear, to private, and now sorta sit in both depending on context. I totally understand not wanting to show any photos of you in your underwear, but I would be very interested in a video where you talked about the process you went through to make bras if you ever decide to make one. (Assuming you'd use flat lays and a dress form for that if you did it)
kind of, yeah! Especially when you think about 16th-17th century dresses that had built-in stays in the bodice. The modern undies weren't that much of an interesting process to make, but I do hope to put some flatlay photos and a writeup on Patreon someday!
I completely agree with the comment "You said you just want to look nice for yourself. If that's the case, why do you care about modern standards?" I couldn't have said it better myself.
"Strap" in, huh ;)
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At least she didn’t say strap it on?!
@@kimgoodwin2711missed opportunity tbh 😂. I mean... yeah... it's a good thing she didn't say that...😇.
When i was a very young barely-a-woman in the mid and late1960's we had stockings held up with a garter belt. My grandmother worked in one of Houston's bigger department stores and gifted me with what she referred to as 'pants hose'. Yes, stockings and pants combined into what we now know as pantyhose. To Grandma 'pants' were the undergarment now known as panties. I still dislike the term 'panties' as I imagine some guy who resembles the old man on the front of Jethro Tull's Aqualung album leering as he spoke of that garment. Our childhood dance teachers told out mothers to get us some bikini pants for ballet recitals since they didn't droop out from beneath our leotard and costume.Time marched on and suspended hosiery became defunct as it was deemed easier to encase ones legs and nether region in a one-piece garment rather like a sausage casing and just as comfortable. To make a long story short, as a 67 year old celibate woman, I find I still prefer the comfort of two separate stockings held up by a garter belt. No one but me sees what's under my dress but I still feel comfortable and feminine. So, as my mother told me, wear the pretty lingerie just for myself even if no one else would see it. Feeling pretty is important. I may even all some more lace and embroidery to my linen shifts.
I am a fellow hater of the word "panties". It's a dreadful word. There's knickers which is fairly neutral or the Australian slang, "grundies".
While I've given up on stockings and their conjoined successors, I do consider stockings and a garter belt or, as it is called in some places, a suspender belt, to be the more comfortable version, not least because you aren't trying to pull up two garments together after relieving yourself. I'm very good at putting holes in the conjoined stockings.
I tend to opt for tights because, doing partner dance, people *do* tend to see what's under my skirt in entirely non-spicy situations (like, anytime I twirl)
Love how the censored pictures didnt hide much. The pixels ended up in the right spots. 😂
We all KNOW what it looks like, I just need CZcams to not pull my ad revenue because of it 🤣
I think Jill Bearup might have done some swordfight-in-corsetry videos.
Yes, but unfortunately she is a transphobe 😵 so I try not to recommend her stuff.
My son-in-law with his partly broken back made his armour like a corset to support his back when fighting with medieval swords. My daughter is now looking for corset suggestions for fencing because his doctor is freaking out about the heavy combat
@@SnappyDragon Oh no!! I didn't know that. I won't recommend her, either. Thank you for letting us know!
We engaged in metaphors 😂😂😂😂
(Thank you for keeping this ace friendly❤)
Aww, thank you! Doing my best.
For Valentine's shortly after my marriage my husband brought me a pale blue nylon negligee from a very down market high street store. This marked the death of romance in our relationship and when after 2 children both of whom I breastfed. I call time and left he tried for a third time with what he obviously thought our marriage needed to prek it up.
Me I'd have settled for a little appreciation every day and a single rose on valentine's Day or for him to show interest while he was home from work after I'd given birth but no the man's mind was firmly fixed in the underwear department 😜
Contrary to what that one Victorian letter-writer thought, fancy lingerie is no substitute for actually being good at relationships
Frothy lingerie as a substitute for putting in effort? Ye powers. That's a funny image--and also, I'm sorry.
love how "make sure to wear your hair LOOSE" can apply to all Historical!V's B)
I would love to hear your take on bra making, especially since you already know how to make underthings which pre-date the modern bra.
The ones I made for myself are bralettes, so I didn't have to do super complicated cup shaping or underwires. I found it a bit of a process to learn to work with knits and elastic, but once I had the hang of it I could do a bralette and several matching pairs of undies in a day. The slowest part was stretching and pinning to evenly distribute the elastic/lace at the edges.
You talking to yourself always cracks me up 😂 and respect for all the outfit changes you had to do for this one!
It's one of my favorite things to write :D And yes, the outfit changes are a PROCESS! I'll usually lay all the costumes out on the bed, set the camera, and film it all in quick succession. The hair is the biggest difficulty, since it takes longer to restyle it than to change dresses.
Amazing vid as always. My question is about HOW. How do you manage to get your videos done? I have Fibromyalgia, C-PTSD, and ADHD, and do not have the energy to do anything after I get my squirrels in a row. HELP!!!
so, 90% of the production process on these videos happens lying on the couch or in bed, in pajamas . . . also, like, gotta pay the medical bills somehow 😅
"...after I get my squirrels in a row."
I felt this. I REALLY felt this.
@@KristiChan1 Ducks are fine and mostly in linear shapes; it's those squirrels that will get you every time.
Ermm... do you guys always get your squirrels in a row???
@MiljaHahto not always. I have a channel that I haven't updated since last summer, because... I haven't finished one of the 10 projects that I've started for it, let alone the five cooking videos I still need to edit, which got backburned because of the ten sewing projects I have yet to finish. See, I get ducks in a row to start a project then the squirrels tell me that the next project needs to get started. Ducks, squirrels, ducks, squirrels, rinse and repeat. All metaphorically, of course.
You are always a delight! Thank you for all the delicate innuendo, as this "lecture" was played at work. No body seems the wiser for all the gentle bawdyness that you served so deliciously.
Why thank you! Making the NSFW just barely SFW feels like an achievement
I have chemises on my to-make list. The ones I currently have are Viking-era and long-sleeved and I want to have a couple that are more 18th-century style. I've made stays, but I'd also like to give corsets a try.
Chemises are super similar in principle, just less likely to be rectangular pieces.
great video! your costume sequence is delightful! in hunchback of notre dame, the layabout "poet" peeks at esmeralda (through the keyhole, i think) and sees her in only her chemise, and she's backlit so he can see her shape under it...and, iirc, his raunchy reaction nearly got him punched out.
I mean, this is what you get for seeing someone in their underthings without an invitation
exactly! it was probably, as you say, a coarse gray linen thing because she was a poor gypsy girl...not exactly a celeb glamor shot.@@SnappyDragon
oh yeah, another topic I didn't know I needed ❤ hello everyone!
Loving the content.
Fantastic video as per usual!
Oh, this was a fun sassy video. Love the intro with all the historical undergarments. Very fun.
Friend, I always learn so much from you!! This was so fascinating! Also, DUH! Mattresses are for sleeping and eating snacks in a blanket nest. :b
No other purposes whatsoever 😊
Your skits give me life
Thanks for this neat underwear video!
I liked this a lot. I enjoy your sassiness. Also all your different historical outfits you showed off look wonderful.
Thank you!
Flirty folk songs about garters are extremely fun! yay for folk song sources!
They're so great 🤣
@18:33 Now we need you to do a colab with Jill Bareup! (Also, SCA peeps represent!)
That won't be happening because she is a transphobe-- but perhaps I will make time to do at least a little swordfighting in historical clothes this spring :D
I did enjoy watching this
And I also tie dyed my plain cotton undies 😂
I'd recommend doing both 😊
Why thank you! Tie-dyed undies were my usual until I learned to sew them.
I watched this while making some stockings and now I have the inspiration to make garters in really bright colours cuz they literally wont be seen and I miss tablet weaving
OOoh nice! I am so envious of people who can make their own stockings. I don't really want to knit, but the idea of warm soft stockings in whatever color I want is tempting.
Be right back, gotta go make some underoos to tie dye before persuading Lancelot to take off his skivvies😂
Yeah, maybe that particular fey temptress would have had better luck in a tie-dyed chemise!
Random comment: you and Pyjama-Vi are using a form of the Socratic Method to do your educating!
I suppose we are! Mostly I just like having a character who can be sassy without me needing to work it into the research paper.
Great video! And of course the saucy interjections from Pajama V are just icing on the cake. I've been eyeballing some frivolous nothings at any rate, so wonderful timing!
Yesss fun undergarments for all!
@@SnappyDragon A lace-trimmed nightie and a robe? Don't mind if I do. (Bonus points for a pretty color you wouldn't normally see in the wild.)
And the lace was handmade by one of my Patrons! :D
@@SnappyDragon Yowzah!
as someone with bra sizing troubles i understand making your own. maybe after university......
Mine are wireless, so fairly low on the complexity scale, but I'm really pleased with them!
I have made bathing suit tops because they don't make them in 34 H, I or J cups... but as far as bras are concerned I will pay the price in order to never do that again.
@@SnappyDragon might you be willing to share your pattern source?
For bralettes I used the Celine pattern from ClosetCore, and for undies the Median knickers from Sophie Hines. I also have one of Sophie's bralette patterns, so I used some of the techniques from that.
I never thought to tie dye underwear...I now have a new project I must embark upon.
So much fun! I did some cotton, and later some bamboo rayon, all with matching bralettes.
Now, is she fainting from thirst or shock? :D
why not both?
I read a line... or heard a line (wish i could remember the source)about a yellow/golden dressing gown and have been working on two such items ever since (one quilted and piped and not yet wearable, and one rayon and hopefully to be lined one day, but it's wearability is impeding the process).
Love a good fancy dressing gown, of all colors :D
Following treatment for cancer which required me to be gawked at and prodded by nurses, doctors, radiographers and such, i felt like what was my very personal intimate area had become public property. I ended up needing psychosexual counselling abd ny therapist suggested buying 'special' underwear as a means of reclaiming that area as 'mine'. It wasn't about feeling sexy, it was about regaining my femininity. It wasn't for anyone ekse, it was for me. I have continued ever since.
This is a really fantastically researched video! Thank you for making it! Out of curiosity, do you have the full translation for that French corset commentary?
I do! It's attached to the Works Sighted sourcenotes post on my Patreon 😊
Ive recently been sewing ny own underwear, mostly bc i only like the shape and suport an underwired pointy bra gives but am sick of beige and black as my only afirdable options and if im at it i may as well make matching breifs that actualy fit my non standardized body shape
And i just love feeling put together even if im just wearing comfy clothes and doing the school run
Yeah, it's hard for much to stick to me when I know I have dragons on my undies 🤣
When I was in my first serious relationship, I decided to put some effort into lingerie to be seen, but the stuff that was nice was prohibitively expensive, and the less-expensive stuff was either not to my taste or poorly made. I gave up after trying a handful of things. These days, I try to put a little bit of effort into cute everyday bras (currently Curvy Kate's Victory balconettes) and stick with comfy, cotton bikini briefs in colours I like. I don't have the time, effort, or budget to buy fancy modern lingerie.
That said, I have the supplies to make a couple of full slips out of very slinky rayon. Maybe not the sexiest thing these days, but I really, really like them. I just need to find the time to make them. And stop being too scared to cut the fabric.
I like the idea of finding a level of fancy that doesn't require extra effort once you choose it-- like everyday bras that are pretty but no less wearable for it. I made mine from colorful cotton knit prints with matching elastic.
If you are not even enough to wear lingerie for you, you need to wear it for you ready or not. You are reason enough!
I actually prefer to wear my thigh highs and garter belts because it is more comfortable for me and keeps me cooler. The fact that I get too many comments to mention while wearing them absolutely infuriates me
"I met a girl, and we engaged in ~metaphors~" - lol yes this actually is 90% of English folk songs!
lol the calculated faint
I want to know how to make my own bras!!
Highly recommend!
Of the much ado about variety?
OmgV! *cackles* I know what you just said. 😂
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May I congratulate you on sewing undergarments. I recently attempted a pair of briefs with a shaped pouch…. One more ufo. We don’t need to see them to appreciate them. But any suggestions on sewing an inset curve with stretchy fabric. I know I should baste, but I don’t.
Ooh, I wish I could help! I don't think any of the patterns I used had curves like that.
Just tie it on. It is a cod piece. Make it in a contrasting colour with pretty ribbons!
Pin the hell out of it and then go slow.
@@niamhybeagable this seemed to be a large part of what sewing knits is like
So much of modern culture is influenced by what rich people did in the last centuries, especially rich Europeans. It's interesting to see how that applies to undergarments. Like, now thinner fabrics are generally less expensive, but we still generally price synthetic sheer underwear more than plain solid cotton underwear. Great piece!
Hrm, depends on the cotton underwear 🤣 Last time I wanted well-made dyeable cotton undies that wouldn't fall apart, I think I paid over $200 for two bras and eight pairs of undies.
@@SnappyDragon I can believe it. That's really high for the undies if that was spread equally (though believably so for quality work), but as someone who hasn't been small enough to fit a DDD cup since my teens, that's about what I pay for functional bras I find uncomfortable, sweaty (I live in Texas, so that's a major issue), and generally unappealing. If I can figure out how to make supportive front fasten tank tops out of linen, I'll be so very, very happy.
I know Katie of Latina Living History made a medieval supportive shift out of linen and was really impressed with how effective it was!
@@SnappyDragon Thanks for the reference!
uh ohhhh we're gonna get snappy dragon fencing demands, aren't we?
(I'm an épéiste myself, but haven't done so in a serious way in yeeeeears.)
:10, ish
I totally thought the sentence would end with "you already have such pretty (old fashioned) underwear" 😀
Pssh, she'd never be that nice
@@SnappyDragon 😆agree
Are you watching Capote & the Swans? Costumes are chef's 💋
Not yet, but I'll check it out!
Does Birch have latex free mattress options? (I’m allergic)
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I'm stumped on a more elegant way to mention Shirley McClaine in "Irma la Douce" without it seeming like calling attention to you personally having green stockings, I really did think of it as something that had a lot of jokes and things that are probably more oddball comedy today than saucy, like it did when I first saw it. The thing about Irma is, she's a popular Parisian sex worker with a strong preference for green, and a tiny lapdog who somehow keeps acquiring bottles of champagne, because this is a 1963 Billy Wilder film that also stars Jack Lemon as a policeman who will eventually jump a plot shark in a story that depends on your expectation and enjoyment of shark jumping-but that's another story. See, it's considered a romantic comedy but I somehow got the idea as a kid (seeing it mid-1990s) that it would have been considered fairly raunchy, but a few years later I saw "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum," which only came out 3 years later, has twice as many hijinks to keep track of and the poster has Mad Magazine energy. Farce is an invitation to humanize previous generations and remind us that we aren't really that different at all, it all comes down to underwear eventually!
Loved this whole video on underwear and as how "sexy" they are preceived. I love the high status "boudoir" paintings of 🇳🇱Dutch 🇬🇧Court Painter, Peter Lely (11:45) his name is pronounced as 'Lay Lee.✌🏻 Kind regards👋🏻 form 🇳🇱
Ahh, thanks!
A comment for the algorithm and not getting demonetized
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When I was about 7, my friend got a "bedazzler" for christmas. (Big plastic toy thing the size of a sewing machine, meant to seem impressive, that folds back the teeth of plain metal or rhinestone studs)
Of COURSE I wanted to try it.
But I was pretty sure Mom wouldn't be happy about me bedazzling my tshirt - especially if the design turned out lopsided or something... I wasn't wearing one of my play outside and get dirty outfits....
But my panties! No one sees my panties!
So I went to the washroom, took off my panties, put my pants back on, bedazzled the front of my panties where they print designs on younger kids panties to make it easy to tell where the front is... admired my handiwork with my friend, noting that my heart was kinda lopsided, but it probably turned out better than the star would have...
Then went back to the washroom, and put my bedazzled panties back on.
Neither of our mothers was impressed with my absolutely genius solution... they even seemed kind of mad? But wouldn't explain WHY it mattered when no one was going to see....
And sometimes the appeal is what is not covered, that is usually covered. There are thirsty mentions from Viking Age about womens pale arms. Why? Because they were likely always covered by full length sleeves, so they became interesting.
Yup, that's often how it goes! And SO MUCH to be said about how that interacts with Westerners seeing the traditional dress of cultures from hotter climates . . .
Not me being distracted by the flexi dragon in front of the flowers 😅
I'm very interested in what the next form of underwear will be, it can't be worse than under wire bra's 🫣
I love this dragon so much! Got at a local Ren Faire this past fall.
@@SnappyDragon I just got a 3D printer and can't wait to have time to figure out how to design and print one as I love how they feel, look and sound (the flexi's) ☺️
“Famously pure-of-heart Lancelot”, that’s an interesting interpretation of his actions…granted, not a new one, but an interesting one nonetheless.
There was an Evolution, He started AS an OC do not steal and therefore was the Most amazing knight ever and bestest friend of the King and so great, that an enemy King switched Sides in Exchange for Lancelots . . . . Friendship.
Then the Thing with the Queen started, but IT used to BE very very differently framed under the understanding of courtly Love, an extream glorification of Love for Loves Sake that IS pure and good Just given ITS Nature AS Love and was Not intended to ever BE fulfilled. The fact He won her Love and Loved her was Seen AS a virtue with the understanding nothing would ever come of it. But when those concepts No longer where present in the Readers mind and well, Christian values getting asigned that whole Thing got a whole new spin and the overly amazing bestest of Knights Fell giving Up His Spot AS the pure hearted ideal knight for His new OC do Not steal son Galahad, the grail knight.
@@SingingSealRiana, yeah, he got judged by the values of both the age that wrote him, and the age that inherited him…and he did not age particularly well through that evolution. I just find it kind of hilarious to refer to Sir “ No Woman but the Kings Own” as pure of heart…cause even in the original telling, he isn’t particularly pure about his vows. The love affair might be written as sympathetic, but his choices do still come across as just barely not treasonous.
Very spicy video.
When I'm in historical costume (Edwardian specifically) in public and someone starts chatting to me abt the garments and I SOOOOOO wanna be like "check out the me-made lacey bloomers I'm wearing with it!!" but i dont know whether that'll be read as risqué or not xD I love the analysis of what makes it "lingerie" instead of underwear, as a mostly-ace autistic person I dont usually understand why certain things are read as risqué and others aren't, so this was a nice break down of the cultural differences! Still not sure whether I can show off my bloomers though...
Yeah, that's always tricky 🤣 I'll often simply tell people "yes, I made the dress and all the underlayers too" and see how interested they are in the sewing vs. the appeal of a person in underwear
A bloomer costume was meant to be seen; do you mean drawers?
@@ragnkja yes they're technically drawers - and split drawers as well (though if i were to show them to someone, theyre not gonna see anything in the split since i wear modern underwear too lol) - but when im talking to strangers, they tend to understand the term "bloomers" more readily! not sure what the term 'bloomers' was originally used for but im fairly certain it's more modern anyway.
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The original use of “bloomers” was in reference to the wide-legged, Near East inspired trousers worn by Amelia Bloomer and her compatriots.
@@ragnkja That's so cool, I didnt know that! Thanks for the factoid 😁
At Gawthowp Hall we have a long term loan portrait of one of king Charles 2nds mistresses in her undergarments holding a sword and I love it! XD
I'm using "in metaphors" from now on.
It's from a Tumblr post describing the archetypal folk songs from various cultures. The one for English folk songs was multiple iterations of "I met a girl and we went hunting/played cards/found her lost pet, it was a METAPHOR"
"Mama always said 'the standard of oversharing is like the definition of saucy undergarments: you never know what you're gonna get.'"
-- Candide, ou l'Optimisme, aka Forrest Gump
Look, if I told everyone "tell me about your underwear", people WOULD.
@@SnappyDragon yeah, fair point
Whee, thirsty mid Victorian V😊
she's having a *time*
im noticing that in colder environments old fashioned ideas of private and public clothes become a lot more relevant. i wonder how climate change will affect that?
Now that is a very good question!
When I lived in a city with a comparatively cool climate, I noticed that sexual harassment on the street based on your clothes was far more prevalent on the first warm day of spring than it had been in a slightly warmer city and a lot more prevalent than it is here in the tropics where I live now. (For the record, my clothing tends towards prudish, rather than otherwise.)
@resourcedragon I just moved from socal to coastal Alaska. It's very different, which was why I noticed.
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"I own the key that's been in the lock a 100 times" ? wow, a way to make a non obvious euphemism...
I mean in my country's folk songs it's usually like... plucking the apples in the girl's garden (in some songs the girls specifically warns the guy not to pluck them yet, and to wait till later in the season so they taste sweater/to wait for her to bring him 10 instead of the 1 he'd pluck now), or feeding/ giving water to the guy's horse... or plowing the field... there are many songs outright stating exchanging kisses tho... oh ye and some talking about borrowing handkerschiefs/scarfs etc between each other and either not returning them or taking them without consent.
a lot of people like to think people didn't talk about certain topics or possibly even ENGAGED in the realization of them in the days way back then... and they clearly have not actually listened to any folk song. the art of telling a story through euphemisms is truly at it's rediscovery in the recent internet years
It amuses me so much how much of it goes over modern peoples' heads 🤣
I like how V is her own annoying younger sibling
I do have an actual annoying younger sibling, but he's not quite this good at snark 😅
Romance holiday? Tu B'Av is still 6 months away
At which point we can talk about dancing in the vineyards in white dresses :P
Can you do a video on bra making?!
So I've done some work on Medieval Irish clothing and they don't say much with women's undergarments. With men they would wear linen braies that would have ties to wool stockings. Then this would be cover by a large linen shirt called Leine and would have long poofy sleeves not unlike a chemises. Most women would have a linen chemise that was similarly shaped like the men and was generally visible. Most pictures shows women fully wrapped up in a cloak with not visual indication on what they dressed as.
There is however one interesting account by a Spanish sailor during the 1500s where he shipwrecked in a remote area of Ireland on his travels to Denmark. There he claims that all the women walked around topless in the open. He made very detail accounts of the various chests he saw and held as he claim is was perfectly find to do that there. This is the only account we have of this and if it was true this wasn't the norm in most of Ireland. Though there is a 16th century picture of an Irish woman fully wrapped in a cloak but you can see one of her shoulders is bare. Not definitive evidence but a possibility.
Sailors are definitely known for the veracity of their accounts when it comes to topless women 🤣
From a climate perspective, I’d say it’s unlikely to be true outside of certain contexts such as the bathhouse.
I have seen content creators who review bras wear the bra over a leotard/bodysuit to show how it looks/fits. You could also use a mannekin. No reason to appear in public in your bra & panties 😊
Swell Entertainment with the spiderman suit?
The audacity to post such lewd images for your thumbnail! I am flabberghasted, Madam!
Lancelot was not the "pure of heart" Knight of the Round Table. He cuckolded King Arthur with Guinevere. It was his son, Galahad, who was the pure one.
This episode reminded me to pick up my copy of 'The Pearl', it's tawdry, saucy and was written anonymously in the Victorian era. Your obsession with thirsty songs reminded me I have a love affair with the naughty limerick, they're fun to try and sing without bursting out laughing or blushing!
Great vid!
Cheers doll
hey! my obsession with folk music is not limited to thirsty songs, I just find it really funny that modern people don't always realize that's what they are.