Mesa Dual & Single Rectifier Compared - 2000's Metal Tone Incarnations!
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- Today in Plague Scythe Studios, my personnel Single Rectifier faces off with a Voodoo Amps modified three channel Dual Rectifier during yet another Mesa Boogie exploration!
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For The Skippers:
00:00 - The Rectifier Challenge
03:49 - Introducing the Modified 3 Channel Dual Rectifier
05:36 - DEMO: VOODOO AMPS Gain Boost Mod
06:28 - Dual Rectifier & SLO 100: A Condensed History
14:16 - The Rectifier Namesake: Tubes & Diodes
17:15 - DEMO: Rectifier Mode Comparison
20:59 - The Spongey (Variac) Switch
22:25 - DEMO: Bold vs Spongey Comparison
24:37 - The 21st Century Rectifier Lineup
27:46 - Amp Shootout Signal Chain & Disclaimers
29:49 - CH1 / Rhythm: Two Flavors of Clean
32:42 - DEMO: Dual VS Single Rectifier CLEAN
35:13 - Pushed: It All Makes Sense Now
37:25 - DEMO: Dual VS Single Rectifier PUSHED
39:50 - CH2: The Single's Missing Feature
41:00 - DEMO: Dual Rectifier CH2 RAW & VINTAGE
42:09 - The Rectifier's Secret to Negative Feedback
44:29 - A "Not Really Presence" Presence Control
46:58 - DEMO: Dual CH2 Modern vs Single Lead Modern (Boosted)
47:38 - CH3 / Lead: The Signature Recto Red Sound
50:14 - DEMO: Dual vs Single RED VINTAGE
51:28 - Lead Channel Preferences & Observations
53:35 - DEMO: Dual vs Single RED MODERN (Boosted)
56:58 - DEMO: Dual CH3 MODERN vs Single LEAD VINTAGE (Boosted)
58:46 - Conclusion: I Still Love My Single Rectifier - Hudba
I haven’t met anyone who loves rectifiers as much I do. The way you demo and educate the viewers about your knowledge and opinions regarding these series of amps is second to none. Great job.
Thanks for these single rectifier videos…. Just picked one up today , delighted 😀 with my first Mesa 👍🎸
Just putting this out there: your amp vids are the best on YT. Glad you went into the SLO / Recto thing, and of course very detailed and on-point demos and thoughts.
Cheers man.
Thank you so much! Metal amps are new ventures for me, and amps like the Dual Rectifier are so ubiquitous in music that I almost couldn't pinpoint what their actual sound was, like I could with a Mark series amp or an Orange. This video was very helpful, I was hoping for a video like this and I should have guessed it would come from you. Talented analyst, well done sir.
A+ to your Dual Rec history and info. I learned a lot and I've been a Mesa user for almost 20 years now. Thank you for doing this - Thumbs way up!
Always an intelligent conversation with valid talking points. Brilliant channel, I always look here before I buy. Keep doing what you're doing. \m/
This was a god tier video and really helped me dial in my brand new multi watt Dual Rec. Thanks man!!!!
Thank you for your Mesa Rectifier videos. A Single Rectifier was available and your videos gave me the info to make a good decision. Just bought the Single and I absolutely love it.
Thank you for doing this, you put alot of time and thought into this and it is appreciated.
Been binging all your vids lately! you’re definitely my favorite guitar related gear related Chanel and certainly one of my favorite overall Channels! Keep up the fantastic work and you should definitely get into the more comedic intros the neural video was absolutely gold.
Wow the best amp video I’ve seen ever. The history and your knowledge along with the side by side comparisons were excellent. Nothing worse than listening to 2 minutes of one amp and when they finally switch to the second amp you forget what the first amp even sounded like in the first place
You killed it Ryan , great job -super informative.
Cheers BC
Thank you so much for such an incredibly detailed video and history. Your knowledge is extremely insightful to us with 50 watt amp users who consider the bigger or original to amp lines. Thanks again 🤘🏼
I’ve always been shocked at the lack of rectification mode comparisons on CZcams for these amps, this is gonna be a great one!
Great video🤘 i love my 3chn Rec!! Such a wide range of tone with all the modes🤘
Great job on this . Very comprehensive. 👍🏻
Another P.H.D. level course from the master of mesa boogie disaster! Thanks again for bringing the heat and hi gain!
Plague Scythe Studios: the Forgotten Weapons of high gain.
Recto fanclub member checking in!
Wow really great in-depth breakdown.
Damn great video... did not see those Mastodon riffs coming... Sick! :)
What a great video. Liked and subscribed few minutes in.
41:40 such an iconic rhythm tone
Impressive video , i have an old Mesa F100 love that amp .
Like your playing at the 33 min mark, catchy vibe .
Never thought I’d hear Coast used during a demo. Long live Devin. Thumbs up to you, sir. Great demo.
Loved this video as an update to the one you made when you got the Single originally. I watched that first video before scoring my Mesa Single Recto Series II this past January for $650, which you mentioned is what you paid for yours years ago! I still git giddy when I think of that score. At that price, it's a lifer in my gear collection.
I've owned a Trem-o-verb combo years ago as well as a Mini Recto a few years back (both now sold). I started looking for the Mini again last year and saw how crazy the prices got, when I managed to find my Single in the classifieds. This video just reaffirms what I felt when I got my Single -- it's a damn fine Rectifier model if you can pick it up for the price we paid. I am rockin it with an Orange Rocker 30 combo and a Dr. Z Mini Z, along with my Axe FX FM-3, all of which get used with my OG Mesa Thiele Cab (first version with EVM), I really don't need any more amps.
Killer videos dude, me and my daughter watched em and she digs the Recto tone!
This was a great comparison, thank you for taking the time. I can clearly hear that the Dual is sound a little better but not by far. I've learned a lot here also. I own a 2005 Single Recto and love it. I'm hitching to get a Badlander but at that price, I just can't justify the purchase. I'll wait another 10 years and see how the used market looks like then.
Thanks I really enjoyed watching this, and thank you for this great information I think you are very knowledgeable. A long, long time ago (very long time) I went to a guitar center looking for an amp and this sales-guy told me a about the single rectifier 50 W Rectoberb. He said this is the only amp you will ever need- he was right!!! I took it with me to all my band's gigs.
Great video man. Thankfully, finally someone who sheds some realistic light on the "revision" hype that people started around those rectos. After going through the effort of building my own clone and tuning it to my taste after seeing and working myself through the different schematics, it's fair to say that, let alone a few differences here and there, the Multiwatt rectos are 99.9% of what one would ever need who is searching for the Rectifier tone. I own a Rev F Triple myself which I bought years ago to study the circuit, and I am shocked that people try to sell Rev C-Fs for as much as 5k€ over here. Basically, you are then paying more than double the price of a retail Multiwatt Dual Rec for a device with attached power cable, sometimes poorly aging components (lots of LDRs in the old 2chs) and a Clean channel that was more an afterthought than anything else. The existing sound differences between old Revs, old 3chs and Multiwatts can mostly be broken down to not more than 10 components (different pot values, higher/lower preamp filtering, different bright circuits) and for someone who needs a modern, flexible and durable amp I would never recommend anything else than a Multiwatt - or a Single Rec if the budget is tight, because it can do most of the Rectifier sounds quite as well.
It's really good to see another video like this again man. I kinda took a break from guitar since I moved out with my ex about a year and a half ago. But recently we broke up and I'm out on my own again and this is video's helping the motivation to get back into it. I really appreciate the content that you make for this channel my man and can't wait to hear more Siderum
U ok bro?
@@Starch1b2c3d4a yeah man s'all good, thanks for checking. Just got done with the gym and feeling great
Great video
A fresh fully serviced Single Rect is one of the best sounding amps I have ever experienced. EVER!
I love the idea of owning a big boy dual recto, but this comparison just shows how good the single is, and dare I say, better if you like more focused tones. Great stuff man
My money is 100% on the single. Had no idea it sounded this good.
Hey Ryan! Thanks for another cool video!! Really enjoy your vids.
I have had 3 different dual rectifier 3 channel and one rev g, I have moved on the 3 channel units as I prefer the 2 channel. I always took the sound better/worse thing with a pinch of salt as I believe you can get a good tone out of almost anything but i did find the 3 ch heads actually all sounded different from each other a little, im not sure if it was just drift in the components or something else.. anyway im grabbing a single v2 soon so it will be fun trying and comparing it to my 2 ch head. I am looking for another 3 channel head again, i kinda miss having one around. 😆
Thanks again for the great videos!!
1 hour 45 seconds? Fuck yeah let's go
Damn, had never come across your channel before, but I really like your presentatiom and detail and I usually hate sitting through videos of people talking about amps.
Sometimes, there's only so much that guitar demonstrations can convey about gear. I certainly go off on my tangents, but if I took the time to record and edit me talking about it, then there's a purpose behind it. So many people talk absolutely nothing but fluff about gear or altogether ignore some intangible aspects of products that can only be meaningfully conveyed through spoken review. Thanks for watching!
@@PlagueScytheStudios Well you definitely know your stuff and it shows... the reason most people talk fluff about gear is because half the time they don't even know how it works.
I have to admit, I was totally unaware of a dual vs. single recto argument... xD
Nonetheless, I'll watch to the end. ^^
Dude that version of Running With The Devil sounded awesome.
6:01 Ahhhh. Give me the beat boys and free my soul.
Perfect style nu-metal riff to show off a rec.
My favorite rec users were alt-rock guys as well. Jeff Buckley and Prince were on rectifiers back in the day, as you pointed out.
Amazing video. I had the holy grail recto rackmount and the tremoverb, a rev f, and now i just rock a single rectifier. all rectifiers sound identical in modern bold diode mode, and the single is light, has a less cluttered and more efficient and streamlined circuit ( the tremoverb and 90s rectos are a bitch when it comes to LDRs, god forbid something goes wrong with the amp and you will pay the tech an arm and a leg to diagnose and work the insanely complicated circuit) and very convenient to move around at an amazing price, way cheaper than a mini recto. the single is a beast and is still a sleeper oddly enough.
I use all my Rec heads in diode mode....more attack, presence is more forward....great video
Love these kind of videos, just learned something new about Mesa Boogies stuff today 😁. Now I'm really tempted to get a MB Single Rectifier!
I was wondering why it would be ok for Mesa Boogie or Marshalls to go solid state / clipping diodes, yet everyone hating Blackstar amps because of it. 🤣
I am so impressed with the single rectifier! very nice cleans and I like that upper mid push with gain. I own neither but I am sincerely considering a single rectifier, not only way cheaper but to my ears and to the kind of rock I play, it simply works better. Is it my 40 yo ears or the Dual sounded bassy and lacking mids/treble? Cheers man, great video
nice job man, it seems to me that single has the cleanest distortion out of the rectifiers. My favorite is the triple and would never sell it because it has the deepest low end and most gain to my ears!
I had the 2001 era single rectifier with the 4x12 recto cab V30’s. It was what I could afford and I really liked it’s simplicity and ease of maintenance. Wish I still owned it.
This gonna be good
Thanks, nice comparison. I have a Series 1 Rectoverb, pushed is terrible on mine as well. Maybe it's something Mesa fixed in the series 2 Singles and 3 channel Duals.
Fantastic as always ! When will you give us a Tremoverb review and comparison? Why is tremoverb so underrated?
If I recall, on the manual they say that to have the equivalent of the presence on 10:30 in modern mode on Channell 3 you have to crank it all the way up on channel 2. I've owned a Dual and a Triple from 2004 and now iI have a Dual multiwatt. The old 3 channel is darker, the new one is brighter, tighter and the 2 gain channel's presence are almost identical.
I just got my series 1 single rect fixed. And man, the lows on it are crazy
You're a good 'un.
Thanks man.
I recently became a Mesa guy in the past year, but I remember in the late 90's I played on rectos in the store and was never impressed at the time, but it was my own ignorance in not knowing how they work versus a more conventional amp. I bought my first Mesa dual recto on a whim on ebay in 2009 for 1500 and it was a Voodoo mods Dual Recto Rev G and just took a chance that maybe this one might change my mind about the Mesa Dual recto amps? I remember getting it in the mail and hooking it up to my Marshall 4x12 with V30's and just randomly dialed it in and was blown away at what I was hearing. Those Voodoo modded Mesa's are in a league of their own. I currently own in addition to said amp two Rev F's dual and triple both killer. A Rackto and a 2010 multi-watt triple recto, two JP2C's Kill amp, a Mark IV, the mesa 2:90 power amp and waiting to get in the mail next week the Mesa Recording Rectifier Preamp( I hope I like it?). All amps sound great in their own right. I thoroughly enjoyed this and you going deep into the Mesa/Boogie Recitifier lore. Keep up the good work \m/
A little late to the party but I can hear the difference between Diode and Valve rectification:
Clean Tone: Diode rectification sounds colder and slightly diminishes note sustain. Valve (tube) rectification sounds warmer and slightly increases note sustain making the clean tone sound a little more organic.
Dirty Tone: Diode rectification adds volume and note clarity. Valve (tube) rectification diminishes the volume and note clarity.
It took a while to lock onto the differences...they're slight; probably why MESA deleted this option from the design.
Incredible review.
I’m sure somebody already said this but iirc the single vs. dual vs. triple designations were originally related to how many rectifier tubes you’d need to get the required output wattage - hence the dual has two 5U4s, the triple has three, the single obviously has, zero rectifier tubes, because that makes perfect sense, due to how as you mentioned, Mesa has impeccable naming sensibilities,,,
For ch 3 modern I like the single better in this comparison, sounds more aggressive to me
On the tube vs. diode rectification, when you were showing the switch itself, the tubes sounded smoother, the diodes brighter, and had more complex resonances. When shown from the front, on evidently a higher gain setting, the tubes sounded considerably quieter, and maybe a bit flubby. On my late 90's Dual Rec, I thought the tubes sounded flubbier. You can take out two of the power tubes, either the inner two, or outer two, in order to have it do 50W.
Awesome. The single all the way! or Framus Cobra.
Potential for amazing song on your low gain riff man.....question do you think I can get rectifier sound with a single recto combo hooked to a cab?
I had a 3 channel dual rec but sold it. I loved that amp but it wasn’t get used anymore. Decided to get a single rec not too long after and it’s enough. Doesn’t quite have the same thickness… it’s bright af but it works well and the circuit is simpler, less can go wrong, less tubes to replace so it just makes sense. I also play more of a punk rock sound rather than metal so it works well for me.
Cool video question
How close is the
Nomad 100
DC-10
To the rectifier?
Take a shot each time he says an Idiom such as "take if for a spin" "apples to apples" "scratches the itch" etc.
Very nice, my dual rectifier (2004 i think) is my favorite amp i've ever used. It never leaves modern mode. Channel 2 is my favorite but channel 3 is still really good. Like a more edgy version of channel 2, when dialed right.
Did you have the FX loop on or hard bypassed? I never use the loop and keep it hard bypassed, I've found it sounds much punchier, and clearer with the loop hard bypassed with the rotary knob on the back. These days I run it into a reactive load and reamp using a matrix power amp, so i can have some reverb after the amp and before the solidstate power amp if I want.
Good question - it was hard bypassed to act as closely as possible to my Single Rectifier's modified FX loop. Thanks as always!
The rectifier is THE tone. My lordy lord
To my ear diode mode opens the very top end a bit while the tube rectification mode is a bit darker. Beside that I hear no difference.
I loved mesa dual rectifier roadsters and dual rectifier blue angels... the SLO sits in between them maybe?
on the Dual Rec., Ch.2 (ORG) has a 25K linear potentiometer in the presence spot, while Ch.3 (Red) has a 100K linear pot there, so it is not different tapering as you mentioned in 45:45.
Great video!! I was wondering if you would pull out the rg100es if you still have it
Another showcase or two with the RG is on the long to-do list of videos!
@@PlagueScytheStudios ok thanks for replying! Thanks for making great content!
The only difference I could tell with the tube rectification is that it didn’t sound as fixzzy as the diode rectification, but even then I’d probably still prefer the diode rectification because there’s something about that Fizz that makes a Dual Rec sound like a Dual Rec.
with regards to the presence control, it's uneven between the different modes because the way it's implemented is different in each mode so it would be better to have two separate pots with differently optimized tapers. you can have two pots on the same dial, ie concentric, but they would be more expensive to source and the switching circuit would get probably more complex. so it boils down to basic economics of the design, though Mesa's marketing dept would likely frame it differently.
Watching this makes me want to travel back to early 2000s and stop myself from buying the dual rectifier, I would have saved a lot of money. But that young, dual has to better than single right? I never have heard it compared to a single. Not much CZcams going on those days. I could of definitely got away with the single, playing in small bars and clubs. But it was common to believe you need 100 watts, specially when most people you play with are twice as old and frankly better at the time. Great job man. Dig the background info.
Ryan if you happen to see this please tell me what the IR Loader pedal you use is. I did a quick scrub of your vids but I can't find the exact video where you talk about it. Looking for something I can stick in the effects loop of my class D bass head. Thanks for any response.
The Mooer Radar is the pedal I have used in the past, but for these videos I generally just load up my IRs in Cubase.
Boosted Dual Recto on red modern is easily my favorite. I'm surprised by the ammount of extra body and width it has when compared to the single.
18:36 godly tone
National Acrobat is my fave Sabby song🤘🏻😎
The dual sounds exceptional, but for the money you pay for a single i would choose a single hands down
I have a Rectoverb 25 head and it sounds a bit different compared to the mini Recto with the same tubes
i was super close to buying a trem-overb single rec for 400 dollars. but i was too late on the ball :(
The triple is king!
*Looks at used Recto pricing* Boy i wish Bugera could still make the TriRec
Great video, as always. Good to know that, as a practical matter, rectos sound like rectos. It would've been nice to see a Badlander in this comparison, seeing as it's the only 50w recto currently made and uses different power tubes for what immeasurable difference that makes (especially compared to the other circuit changes), but i understand that money, space, time, and ability to give a damn are not infinite.
i hear the difference in the rec modes.... tube was more compressed as you would expect.... i think as the note says... el34's may benefit from the tube rectifier....
there is a head room difference though.
Strange that you don’t notice that difference between diode and tube rectification. Tube is always darker and more deeper sounding, it feels more elastic when you play to me at least. Not sure which one I prefer though.
Really good comparison though! Loved it. And the nerdy stuff was really intresting 🤘
Hey brotha it is said that the triple has the most distortion out of the 3is this true?
No, the preamps of a triple are functionally identical to the preamps of a dual rectifier of the same generation. If anything, the triples have less power tube breakup at the same output volume since they have an additional 50W of clean power amp headroom versus a dual rectifier.
@@PlagueScytheStudios Thank you! Do you know if the latest rectifiers have more distortion added?
I used to have a vintage 2 channel dual rect, but felt like the distortion was very soft
man i wish i could afford a mesa first time i saw cannibal corpse the mesas blew me away man such a brutal amp
58:11 niiiiice
I've said this before but, Randall Smith himself has said that his original amps were based of a Bassman style circuit.
They were modded Princeton's but he gutted the circuitry to put Bassman style circuits in.
czcams.com/video/ptXUxwYb3CQ/video.html
Can I ask how they were recorded? Cab or di/ir etc.
(A video comparing these 2 methods for a Dual Rec would be awesome come to think of it 😁) Thank you ❤
YES, Mastodon riff at the 50:30 time.
Divinations…
I came... to the same conclusion
Also this is a 90s era Single compared with a 2000s Dual. The Series2(2000s era) Single is different yet still. Not just different features, but slightly different tone footprint.
Single Rectifier=One rectifier tube, Dual Recto = 2 rectifiers, Triple= £ rectifiers. I always thought that was the only plausible explanation.
Dual
comment for the al gore rhythm
19:00 tunes def shave off high end. For the better me thinks
I always found it hilarious that bands like Blink 182, Diffuser, Alien Ant Farm used these. Wes Borland as well, but his playing, and use, at least seemed more "appropriate" for the material.
I don't even like the Rec sound, but this was informative and fascinating attention to detail.
Why is that hilarious?
You are awesome!!! You should use a service such as Promo`SM!!
Maybe next time tune the thing? It would really help. But yeah, SS cut cleaner voltage (bleed through 60Hz AC), The cleaner DC voltage helps because the signal (your guitar) has to fight against the ac at point where the hit that 180 degree suppression. I won't bore myself with all the theory... I never liked theory. In my opinion, you could "theorize" aliens hover over recordings at Sound City studios .... Cna't really prove it.🤣🤣