Infinity War! PLUS PEDAL vs SUPEREGO+ // GameChanger Audio and EHX Freeze/Sustain/Sostenuto compared
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► Here's my review of Superego+ : • EHX SuperEgo+ Plus rev...
TIMELINE:
0:00 Intro
1:05 SIMILARITIES
2:30 Alternatives
3:10 Timing
3:55 Sends
4:20 DIFFERENCES
4:25 Effects
5:25 Connectivity
6:20 Expression
7:20 Layering
10:55 Sustain
12:40 Gliss
13:30 SOUND TEST
13:40 Electric
15:25 Pianos
16:55 Synth
19:55 Cellos
22:00 Trombone
22:55 Saxophone
23:35 Tubular bells
24:30 Pros & cons
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Your on-screen visualizations are effin' incredible. Never seen something quite like that in a CZcams video. It's a very helpful.
Agreed. Being able to see the frequency domain plot makes this intuitive. Also, the overall pace and language is an ergonomist's dream. Very many thanks! 👍🏻
Seriously! Wow. Above and beyond.
I've never viewed such a clearly demonstrated review.
Please keep making videos like this. It really helps to get a thorough understanding of how complex devices like these behave in different situations.
Incredible deep dive comparison into these two amazing pedals. I’ve owned the plus pedal and I still feel like I learnt some things about it.
Beautifully done video. The 11 oddities who gave you a thumbs - down have no idea how much work and effort you put into this free gift for them. Ingrates. Just ignore them. Your review was extraordinary and so helpful. Thank YOU!
Awesome as always!! X
Love your demo. Just what I was looking for. Thank you.
This is one or those rare instances of being way better then you expected. Tons of work was gone into this with the detail. Respect 👊
Really excellent, really detailed display of the different strengths and weaknesses, thank you
Thanks so much for all the information! Very clear and dynamic
It's not just a bunch of "you can make this kind of sound !" videos. but a explanation of the sound and mechanism in detail.
This is the kind of video everyone was looking for.
thanks
Amazingly done video brother. Thank you for this !
You are without a doubt the go to guy for gear demos and useful honest breakdowns of gear I salute you sir😎
Cool pieces!
Looking forward to the UDO Super 6 review. Fingers crossed.
Use of a scope is so helpful! Great work!
I have never changed my mind on a comparison so many times haha! Seems like both do some things well (sound character preference aside) and are both unusable in other areas. Seems these types of pedals would benefit from switchable algos for different source material. Thank you for another great video!
This was a very good and clear comparison.
Setting up a new drone/ambient set up, away from modular, this helps finding what I’m after.
Amazing work!
Really thorough comparison and demo of both pedals. Cheers for the video, it's only fuelling lust for the Plus!
Thanks!
Amazing review, many thanks
thank you so much for doing this! I've got the SuperEgo but have been eyeing these alternatives. honestly I like how weird the original SuperEgo sounds but its nice putting things through the FX loop on it to change it up.
How would you say it sounds different from the SuperEgo+?
Thanks so much for making this video! It's so useful to see these two pedals compared and see them in action. I feel like the technology isn't quite there yet to allow these pedals to accurately sustain a variety of sounds. The GC Plus fared much better with the synth tones whereas the EHX better reproduced the string and piano sounds. The GC Plus also had that weird tremolo effect on some tones which could be annoying. I hope both companies work to improve the pedals and one day there'll be a product that works seamlessly with guitar, synth and whatever else you could want.
SE+ is the clear winner for me. The Plus sample loops were so audible, possibly because they're just way too short. Not realistic to expect good results on a PWM synth sound or sax with vibrato like that. Thanks for the comparison, very revealing!
Super helpful and detailed review and comparison. I already have the SuperEgo + and I was debating whether to add the Plus pedal. I run the EHX Mel9 pedal through the effects loop of the SuperEgo+.
Absolute Pro in every aspect. A product video of this caliber usually comes at a price. Thank you for sharing!
That was a superb demonstration!
I love my plus pedal! It sounds amazing! It also looks quality and is built really well. Awesome with the plasma and a chorus or tremolo in the loop. Great video as always! Cheers! 😁
Complimenti da Roma!!! Top quality video 🙏
A rigorous, complete and very clear comparison !!!
You my friend are a truly great CZcamsr and even greater reviewer!
Thank you. I was really in between these two and looking this in-depth analysis of the sound and the features helped me. I chose suoerego for the extra things and the price, althought the looks and the way you use the plus were much better,
Perfect demo as always. One thing I'd add (I don't believe it's mentioned) is that the Plus cancels a lot of the bass frequencies. Play a low E, and all you'll get is the overtones and no nice droney bass. Not so with the SE+. That's why I switched.
For real?
perfect timing on this ! was just looking to pick up a superego. thanks loopop!
Loving my PLUS pedal ! Thanks for yet another great review :)
such a carefully prepared review, maybe one of the best I've seen on anything relating pedals and audio controlling in general for such purposes. I am one of those who actually got amazed that you indeed care about visualizing the oscillator and the spectrum for (not only a better but a) true understanding of what's happening. just a great great job, I like to see in the comments that generally the people appreciates this because I've been seeing really many reviews and this is pretty unique.
regarding the competition: PLUS was a great idea with the design and the feeling and the organicity of feeling like a piano pedal in the guitar. however, in the end we speak about sound. I think that the sound test shows how much better is SUPEREGO+ on the way it replicates the signal, no matter what timbre you might be sending. and there are many aspects of layer controlling that Superego+ does in a way quite much better as well. I think that PLUS could eventually become a real competitor if it keeps the idea of the design and just really catches the quality of superego+. For now (and for the price), PLUS looks quite much like relying slightly too much in being fancy, being intuitively functional in terms of mechanic (well it's not a minor thing that it indeed looks like a piano pedal, that's something for me at least) and being more compact.
Superego+ is just the clear winner for me (at least for now)
I understand that you'd prevent yourself from taking a position, but from what I understand from you as someone really paying attention to detail in the soundl, the components, the processes involved, the functionality... don't you agree? I'd like to know what's your veredict!
Thanks for the comment - I pretty much agree with you... Plus pedal has a better design, SuperEgo+ has more features. Sound wise SuperEgo+ is a bit better IMHO too, but that's really for people to judge based on their preferences, because Plus pedal handled a minority of the sources better
@@loopop can these pedals do what a fernades sustainer does?
No they’re are completely different things and work differently
@@loopop thanks for your reply. I was wondering if there are pedals that can simulate that fernandes or sustainiac sound.
thanks a lot for the comparison. I've watched this and the superego+ video. Is there any way to get longer decays in the superego? It seems quite short. I'm trying to decide between the two for piano/Rhodes sounds but I didn't especially like the occasional "tremolo" of the plus, not sure what would work best for me.
Thanks for the detailed and precise review. Well organized. I purchased both items. I returned the Pulse pedal because it broke.
What a great demo! Very professional and deep. My thoughts on the pedals: Since freezing is not an effect to be overused, Superego is more appealing to me; also, Plus pedal is pricy!
Immediately subscribed, best video format I’ve seen in ages Man! Kudos
The best way to test guitar pedals! Very accurate and professional, a true master!
Id love to hear a voice through these
This is an excellent comparison! Loopop, do you know of freeze/sustenuto pedals like this with stereo ins/outs?
Thanks! No, not familiar with any.
Thanks for this...helped me decide not to get the plus. It has a similar instability to its sustained tone as the new TC Infinite Sample Sustainer (though the plus is better..) Hey what EQ are you using for the visuals - haven't seen it before.
Question. When the Superego is in sustain mode (moment+auto), does the decay knob then become a "release time" control for how fast the sound goes away when you let go of the foot switch? Thanks!
Thanks for the comparison! Great job! But I'll stick with my SE+.
I have a EHX HOG2, that also does this. Having a resonant filter and all the pitch intervals on board makes a huge difference. You can freeze a sound, and then play the pitch intervals as a sort of synth. Great way of making pads with a mono synth as well. It sometimes has some aliasing issues, but the filter can nicely take care of that. It makes for a really nice screaming resonant filter for guitar, good way to get controlled feedback.
To make it really shine it needs a reverb or delay after it though.
When I got it, it was relatively cheap; €360, including a next step expression pedal (that costs €94.00 by itself).
@@kyletheenigma iirc the hog2 (like most current ehx pedals) states that it wants 9.6v, but it's fine with standard 9v (boss-style). just make sure you get enough wattage, it's a bit of a power hog (ha.) (ha.) (,) (ha.)
That black sound screens of yours kind sir are awesome.
It's naiice to see the soundwaves.
Just found out you can plug a regular piano sustain pedal into the ext input of the super ego plus. Which feels way better than that swtich
nice video, thanks! I think one reason the SuperEgo is changing your synth waveforms is that you have the attack set at 12:00, while on the Plus you have the Rise on 0. If you lower the attack (or leave the pedal engaged long enough for the attack to finish) you might get a better square wave...
Thanks! Attack doesn’t change the waveform, only the time it takes the frozen audio to get to maximum level
loopop hmm are you sure about that? It seems like The few times you held the switch long enough to exceed the attack time, the sound was closer to the original synth sound
No, I’m not sure - we’re both seeing the same thing btw, so maybe they are changing it along the way
I see you’re sportin your LaunchKey Mini... lovin mine also (purchased after your review)
It’s extremely useful
Catchy title :)
Greetings from La Paz, Bolivia!!!
What is the time in miliseconds that bourh pedals can caputre the sound? That is important, apparently the game changer is less than the EHX, maybe that is the reason why the plus pedal have that tremolo effect
Great video! Very helpful! Please test Infinite Sample Sustainer from TC Electronics 🙏
What kind of scope or scope display are you using for this video?
Hi, I just want to know if it is possible to freeze a bass note pitch shifted to an octave (only one note), (maybe send to another signal path) and play in the original octave on top.
I need bass notes pedals for my solo guitar arrangements and don't want to go 7 strings (neither the boss oc3) if this is possible somehow.
I like the superego+ freeze as it is better than the "freeze" pedal itself, but I would like to check if it could pitch shift at the same time or I need another pedal to do so.
Thanks.
Possibly run in stereo with two amps? I'm planning on doing this with the plus pedal; I have 2 amp and cab sims one with a bass cab, pog2 for bass tone and 1 with guitar amp/ cab for guitar tone. I'm putting the plus pedal in the split guitar section so I can play bass and guitar on top ala royal blood while having the the guitar part looped with the sustain pedal
Someone finally put the Plus Pedal through its paces. I'd been wondering how well it stacked up to other pedals or even determining what other pedal it could be compared to (I was thinking it was the Freeze pedal). In my eyes, the Superego+ seems to have more bang for the buck. It also has an Expression pedal input, which you might be able to use as the foot-pedal feature for sustain the way it's used with Plus Pedal.
It also seemed like from a synth perspective, both pedals had limited use on basic forms like sine or square & seemed more effective with multiple notes. I wonder if a pluck synth sound might have had better variation with those pedals over sine or square?
Hello Your opinion is very important to me. Which of the two pedals make the sustain effect exactly like a piano? Thank you very much
Woah! I always just assumed the Gamechanger would be king because of its price, but I got the SE+ because I didn’t want to pay as much, figuring it would kind of get me in the ballpark. Turns out I actually prefer the SE+.
Thanks for sharing this super well done in depth comparison!
Are you doctor manhattan in the bar scenes of season finale of watchmen? are you on mars and reviewing synths at the same time?
You are the man
Very nice review!
Around 16:00 where you talk about the tremolo-ish sound from the Plus Pedal. Could it be the caused by the attack and release settings? Or does it seem more like an inherent thing to the Plus Pedal?
The tremolo-ish sound from the Plus has to do with when you press down the pedal. The makers of the Plus state that you need to wait 500 ms from when you strike a note (I’m a guitarist) to get a smooth sound. It’s actually not so easy to do, and depending on when you press the pedal, the trem-ish ness can be pretty harsh. I do, however love the Plus’s form factor. Considering swapping for the SuperEgo, but may keep the Plus.
I was thinking of adding a keyboard sustain pedal to the SE+ from the first video and then saw this one 😄
Finally...an excellent tutorial
style video! Devoid of chatter
and opinions!
id say both still have room to grow. overall se+ seems more capable and authentic to the sound though...
Best review on youtube? I think so!
Why versus? Why not both or neither? And.
Is there a vst like these?
Great video!, Is there a .vst version for windows or an app for iOS that can do a similar thing?
Thanks! Not exactly but many reverbs have a freeze option
I LOVE ! 💚
Thanks for the great walk-through. I'm wondering if the tremolo on the Plus pedal might have been because the Rise setting was short as opposed to the Superego which had a longer attack.
Thanks! No, rise just determines how fast the held sound comes in. I confirmed with Gamechanger that fast vibrato indeed sounds glitchy - you just need to make sure you play without vibrato when you freeze a note
If I was a betting man, I’d bet the actual sampled clip that the GC+ plus takes is longer
Any data on the length of the “bite” that it takes out of the sound?
what would happen if PLUS could be used as expression pedal for the "+"? *MIND BLOWN*
I’m curious which one pedal would benefit a bass guitarist more. Looking to freeze a chord while I play melodies over the top. After trying loopers for this simple function, the loopers seem like overkill. I’m leaning towards the SE+ as it also can run as a stand alone FX unit.
Ehx freeze could work
Trovo il SE+ più completo. Ho acquistato questo pedale perché rispondeva alle mie esigenze. Stupendo.
I agree with millenniumtree, the video is unique and the oscillator graphics are awesome, little things like this is what viewers sometimes take for granted. I love it.
Other channels should take note
using it with guitar and other effects , I'm curious how it will react to delay/ reverb / reverb with shimmer ( or octo-verb ) , I'm supposing if placed before those type of effects there wouldn't be that tremolo affliction. Thanks for the demo , well done .- I think cost will have something to do with the purchase of either. I like the traditional looking sustain pedal , it's smaller too.
indeed reverb smoothens out most of the rough edges in these
@@loopop thank you ,I can't believe boss is still asking so much for this pedal
Super Ego plus here!
I use the PLUS pedal with my Hohner Pianet T; it transforms a rudimentary electric piano with no means of sustain into an ambient powerhouse when combined with reverb and delay. As a source of inspiration for writing it's well worth the price of entry, if you have a setup than can make the most of it.
Also, if you want to hear what a real sax player can do with it check out Musina Ebobissé's channel (which I stumbled across) czcams.com/video/iHh3__df2jo/video.html.
19:34 made me laugh real hard lol
Well I know how I'm spending my lunch break!
I think that tremolo from the Gamechanger is coming from the pedal's short sample.
can the effects on the right be used with the super ego freeze?
Yes it’s that they’re there for
@@loopop guess I should RTFM lol all 6 pages cause its not worked yet
xisotopex did you press the effect stomp switch....?
Are there any good software/vst alternatives to these?
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I know this video is 2 years old but I would have loved to hear the saxophone sound with no vibrato hahahaha otherwise excellent demonstration!
The Plus is a very posh device. Built very nicely
It is very heavy and feels like a Bentley versus all other pedals. I wish they would make a standard synth sustain version of it.
Three years later, TC Electronic manages to singlehandedly 'invent' the 'freeze' pedal category with their Infinite Sample Sustainer....
Only the Plus samples audio. SuperEgo works like a synth approximating the input tone somehow. Thats why Plus warbles sometimes looping the sample where SuperEgo doesnt.
the plus pedal needs a little more work. That vibrato issue is bad, especially on those low cellos. It may have been built more for guitar, because those demos sound great. I also think that vibrato inputs violate the concept of a static pad when you have modulation or filter sweeping. what is the sampler supposed to grab? and that little modulated slice will then affect the sound like a bad timed loop out of synch with the initial modulation. So modulation pedals go AFTER these guys is what i'm thinking. (you may have said that at the start, and you proved it)
agreed. i think this is why i prefer the superego+ overall. it has tremolo you can dial in, or turn off, or swap for chorus, vibrato, flange, filter, pitch...
I tried the Gamechanger and found it difficult to use whereas the Superego + was instantly usable.
I have a plus pedal and it's amazing. I play guitar btw.
My vote goes to the Gamechanger. Partly because I just bought one and partly because of empirical scientific opinion.
Hi, but is stereo or just mono :(?
Mono
: / I SAY THIS WITH RESPECT! YOU BRING THE TERM " NERD" TO A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL!
Hello ! What is the oscilloscope vst used in all your videos ?
Hi, I use MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle
@@loopop cool! thank you a lot !
sounds like there is still a big gap of whats technically possible and what is implemented in these pedals. It sounds like the plus pedal is doing some kind of of looping point detection whereas EHX does some kind of phase vocoder technique (leading to a lot of artifacts).
Maybe have a look at some python script I did a couple of years ago and compare the quality with what you get from these pedals. nbviewer.jupyter.org/github/faroit/pyfreeze/blob/master/freeze_demo.ipynb
faroit I’d love to try it out if you have a version I can use as a plugin.
@@loopop sorry it's just a python script for now. There is a command line application that is not that hard to use.... See: github.com/faroit/freezefx
I ended up with both before this came out
Which one have you liked better? I’m in the market and curious
1 dislike...must have been Thanos
12:40
Superego way more versatile *IN MY OPINION*
An interesting kettle of possibilities, great for the bedroom and studio, but live?
Gotta say , I find it one of those ironies that when duos or trios rely on tech to build layers and fill space, it's an unwelcome distraction from one of few focal points.In a larger group, it dosen't matter if a member is completely absorbed, not really "present'. Maybe it's just me, and it depends much on the style of music.They do offer some more straightforward but applications . What works well in one environment dosen't necessarily work in another.Food for thought.
WAR!!!!!!
you say sustanuto, i say sustanato.