Although I'm from Japan, I never knew about JIS. Thank you for this great information. It turns out that some of the Fujifilm's camera gears are using these JIS screws.
That is very interesting and shows exactly what I was trying to convey as far as this is a little known thing that we should have known. Thank you for that input. Also thank you for watching.
I've spent the last 25 years working as a service engineer on jaoanese kit. A no.1 and No.2 Philips worked fine on everything. Then I found out about JIS screws and yes, all of our machines have screws with that dot on them. So I ordered some JIS screwdrivers. Really good information. Thanks.
I'm very glad I could help. Once you use the JIS you will notice the difference. Gone are the days of pushing the screwdriver into the screw. These just "bite" so good.
My husband didn't know that until 14 years ago when he became a truck driver, lol, he wished he had learned when he was young😊 sooooo many stripped screws! Awesome to pass along, Brian!👍🤟✌🏍💨💨
For someone at a motorcycle shop to not know what kind of screws are used on some motorcycles is amazing. Makes you wonder how knowledgeable they are when it comes to working on bikes.
Thank you Sir. Please share and spread the word, not necessarily the video but even word of mouth among people you know. We all should know this information. It's not as mainstream as it should be.
I once lost my mind trying to remove a water pump from a 60's Honda car. Apparently, the hex head bolts were a different size and shape from standard metric bolts. I have read that JIS cross-head has been changed or abandoned by Japan in 2008, apparently the new standard is "JIS/Phillips" compatible.
KLEIN 14 in 1 multibit screwdriver model# 32304 includes a JIS #2 bit for bicycles, Japanese electronics, computers, lab instrumentation, etc. At this point in time everyone should be knowledgable about JIS fasteners. I mean the Japanese have been making stuff for decades and exporting them to the USA.
I was surprised too. Google it, you'll see lots about it. Pretty crazy huh? Pass it on bro. Tell everyone for as long as you live. It's amazing we never knew this!
I worked for Bahco/Sandvik for 10 years as a hand tool salesman selling to trade and wholesale, in that time do you know how many times I was asked for a JIS scewdriver ? Zero times ! Another boring fact, Im a keen racing cyclist using Japanese components which, surprise surprise use JIS screws for deraileur adjustmets, when I asked a VERY well know USA made bicycle tool manufacturer for a JIS screwdriver the reply was , Whats one of those ? So if you check the small alloy adjuster screws on Shimano gears they are all rounded out becuase everyone, included shop mechanics use PH or PZ drivers ! Boring facts for the day over and out ! Oh yeah, I do have a JIS screwdriver ;-)
Thank you Sir. Gotta share what we learn. Thanks for stopping by. Can't wait for some ride video from you both when the weather let's up. Until then I'm loving the ski vids!!
Yes!! Absolutely. Even some jet kits come with replacement Allen head screws because "the old screws always strip out because they are old and seized ". Come to find out even they don't know or failed to tell us about JIS screws. Thanks for watching and have a great day. Go get yourself some JIS screwdrivers and make your life easier. I've even noticed on halfway stripped screws the JIS will still get a good bite in the head of the screw and take it out.
I learned that back when I was a teenager. The JIS actually grips better than Phillips. It's not something that is common knowlage. If you get certified by the Japanese car manufacturs or the motorcycle repair technition course in the Arizona junior colleges they teach this.
I wish I learned as a teenager. I wish someone in my life would have passed that knowledge on to me at some point. You are legit the first person that I've heard say they knew about it. It's definitely not common knowledge and it should be.
@@dualsportdiary1150 I leaned the hard way when I was trying to remove a stuck screw from my Honda CT 55 and messed it up. The guy that worked on them on the Navy base in Alaska where I lived told me they were not the same and showed me the screw drivers under a magnifying glass. At that time though you could not just go out and buy them. He had ordered them from Japan and paid what was a lot of money for screw drivers at the time. I later made a set in metal shop in high school in CA cause they still weren't available to just buy.
@@EasyRiderGreg they still aren't readily available. With the internet nowadays you can get them on ebay or Amazon. These tips (MUCH cheaper than the full screwdriver) were special order. But I couldn't just go buy them and bring them home. I didn't mention but I did read that you can grind down the tip of a phillips and it will help a lot. That screw in this video that was all chewed up already, I tried to take it out with a phillips and it wasn't budging, just kept slipping and popping out. Hit it with the JIS and it came out instantly like it was a brand new screw in perfect condition. You can literally feel how perfectly it bites into the screw and takes it out effortlessly. Thanks for your comments and experience Greg!! MUCH appreciated Sir.
Wish I knew about this 15 years ago, I stripped out all 4 IAC valve screws, now Im screwed and gonna go to find them in town ( which is on Kauai, Hawaii) so may be a lil difficult, :) thanks for vids
I wish I knew about this decades ago! I'm glad it helps, this should be common knowledge for us but for some reason it seems to be a little known thing. All I can say is tell as many people about it as you can. Have a great one!
Pretty cool huh? I cut out so many examples of JIS screws in my garage and low and behold roughly half were stripped out!! Also check "skillz" comment and my reply in the comment section!! Take care, thanks for watching Sir.
@@dualsportdiary1150 yeah I've stripped a few screws in my day, I never even though to look for any markings on the damn screw, I always just looked to see if it was a phillips or a flat head, cool stuff brother 👊🏼😎
@@dualsportdiary1150 I’ve done crazy looking at different research on this a few times and then after I just watched this Video from a guy in the UK about all the rest of the different Fastener heads up pretty good taking all the other stuff out there
I keep griping at my co-worker about this because he doesn't believe me and ruins not only the screw but my bits too. But he's also that guy that puts the #2 bit in everything and claims it works fine.
Thanks for adding that info. The Motion Pro ones in the video were the cheapest I found anywhere and they were local to me (Chaparral Motorsports) but for someone that uses Amazon, that is good info. Especially when shipping speed is a concern.
Very informative video. Thank you. Just out of curiosity, I have an old craftsman screwdriver that came with a set that says "Reed Prince" on the grip. It looks almost like a #2 phillips. I've never used it. Anyone know anything about these and how they compare to JIS screwdrivers?
Nice job with jis! Is there a way to figure out if a phillips screw is #1,2,3 instead of putting it in and wiggling it a little? This could be hard when the screw is rusted, stripped, painted etc...
@@dualsportdiary1150 thanks to you guys on yt I now know the difference between #1,2,3. I notice when using a #2 screw with a #2 Phillips bit the screws seems to strip half the time especially when the screws are soft metal. It seems like the bits are too pointy even tho they’re supposed to fit flush and this makes it strip. This just started happening lately over the past few years. It’s so annoying that I’ve been thinking about using different kinds of screw head that holds better
I wish I knew a long time ago. Run it by your dad, tell him to google it. Once you know this you'll be amazed at how many screw heads strip out on the motorcycles and you just don't really realize it. Now you'll start putting one and one together and notice it more.
Basically I've used looks alone to identify all the Phillips sizes. I just look at them and know which size based off the screw head. I guess it's natural and I have no guide to go off of.
@@dualsportdiary1150 Agree - worked at Yamaha/Kawasaki shop for about 8+ years as a mechanic back in the 'day' and always had 'cam out'. Before the Internet - in the mid to late 90's early 2000s'
@@mt1885 amazing. A Harley guy in the comments knew about this as a teenager. But the guy at the parts counter with many years experience with Japanese dirt bikes and also many years of selling tools and parts had no clue what these were. It just shows how scattered and inconsistent this extremely important information is.
@@dualsportdiary1150 I wonder why Japan used different cross-head patterns than standard metric and inch standard fasteners and why motorcycle and other vehicle paperwork did not warn about this?
Japanese culture and trades will not accept a fastener that cams out. They desire the ability to set the specific torque in a country that believes you do the job right or don't do it all. So the JIS fastener allow you to set the specific torque in a country that measures everything with precision. Surprised the Swiss, Belgians or Germans didn't do it too.
Yes carbs are the number one thing Everyone strips screws on. Actually on the "JD Jet Kit" for the Suzuki Drz400, they actually provide replacement screws with the jetting kit for the float bowl because everyone claims "the screws suck" since they always strip out on everyone. If they used the right tool for the job, maybe they wouldn't have that problem. JD Jet Kits should come with a JIS screwdriver bit instead of replacement screws. Just goes to show how people never knew this all their lives.
That's confusing, because sometimes the dot is in the upper right corner, and sometimes it's in the lower left or lower right corner, and occasionally, it'll even be in the upper left? What gives?!?
Eh, in America they are screws to us. Bolts have a hex or Allen head. Anything that has a Philips or Flathead is all lumped into "screws". That's how you get the word "screwdriver" not "bolt driver"
I just learned about these a few days ago and I ordered me a screwdriver with a few different sizes. It has 3 double sided bits that go into the weirdest handle I ever seen. It looks like a woman's sex toy. 😅
@dualsportdiary1150 😆 🤣 😂 Look up Vessel ball drivers and you will see what I am talking about. I took a automotive class in highschool and I went through a carpentry course after highschool, I am so shocked that I just now found out about this. The Vessel screwdrivers have a ball at the end that pops off and it's a very small stubby, for the ratchet one's. They are definitely different.
@dualsportdiary1150 I got the screwdriver in yesterday with a 3 different double sided bits and they really do hold onto phillips screws very solid. My Honda motorcycle actually has these JIS screws, so I am so glad I never tried a phillips yet. My Makita gold bits kinda fits, but the Vessel really holds onto them. Thanks for your video.
Working on Japanese slr film cameras.you cant use Phillips screwdrivers. You only need proper jis screwdrivers. They are not that expensive to buy.buy proper tools.will last you a lifetime.
I did know about JIS as it happens (but only discovered it last year). Also Pozidriv (popular in the UK esp. for woodscrews and the like). Also Torx. But turns out there are quite a few other standards: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives
Although I'm from Japan, I never knew about JIS. Thank you for this great information. It turns out that some of the Fujifilm's camera gears are using these JIS screws.
That is very interesting and shows exactly what I was trying to convey as far as this is a little known thing that we should have known. Thank you for that input. Also thank you for watching.
@@dualsportdiary1150 For sure! I appreciate simple short clips like this to teach us what exactly I needed to know!
I've spent the last 25 years working as a service engineer on jaoanese kit. A no.1 and No.2 Philips worked fine on everything. Then I found out about JIS screws and yes, all of our machines have screws with that dot on them. So I ordered some JIS screwdrivers. Really good information. Thanks.
I'm very glad I could help. Once you use the JIS you will notice the difference. Gone are the days of pushing the screwdriver into the screw. These just "bite" so good.
My husband didn't know that until 14 years ago when he became a truck driver, lol, he wished he had learned when he was young😊 sooooo many stripped screws! Awesome to pass along, Brian!👍🤟✌🏍💨💨
I wished I had learned that when I was young also. I feel like I've been robbed my entire life 🤣
Thanks for the support!
Very helpful thank you. Despite being abandoned in theory 2008 a lot of Japanese electronics use JIS screws
You're welcome. I'm glad to be of any help. Spread the word.
Love Vessel screwdrivers, I use them almost exclusively now, for EVERYTHING
Can't beat it. Stick with what works.
For someone at a motorcycle shop to not know what kind of screws are used on some motorcycles is amazing. Makes you wonder how knowledgeable they are when it comes to working on bikes.
Seriously! You summed that up pretty good.
bit like Harley shops that dont know how to fix a Harley .................................................
When I learned about this a few years ago I asked my snap on dealer about them, never heard of them. Unbelievable!
Thank you for this short concise video I had to share.
Thank you Sir. Please share and spread the word, not necessarily the video but even word of mouth among people you know. We all should know this information. It's not as mainstream as it should be.
I once lost my mind trying to remove a water pump from a 60's Honda car. Apparently, the hex head bolts were a different size and shape from standard metric bolts. I have read that JIS cross-head has been changed or abandoned by Japan in 2008, apparently the new standard is "JIS/Phillips" compatible.
That's interesting info. Thanks for sharing that.
KLEIN 14 in 1 multibit screwdriver model# 32304 includes a JIS #2 bit for bicycles, Japanese electronics, computers, lab instrumentation, etc. At this point in time everyone should be knowledgable about JIS fasteners. I mean the Japanese have been making stuff for decades and exporting them to the USA.
That's good info. I was not aware KLEIN offered that. Thanks for sharing and bringing helpful information to the table.
I learned this after I stripped out half my screws on my 70s Yamaha and a friend told me I used the wrong screwdriver
Live and learn. It's good info that absolutely should be more widely known. Thanks for watching.
Thats very neat to know! Thanks for sharing! I showed my dad, and he was also surprised! Thanks once again!
I was surprised too. Google it, you'll see lots about it. Pretty crazy huh? Pass it on bro. Tell everyone for as long as you live. It's amazing we never knew this!
I never knew about the dot. I’ll have to look for that next time.
Spread the knowledge. Thanks for watching.
I worked for Bahco/Sandvik for 10 years as a hand tool salesman selling to trade and wholesale, in that time do you know how many times I was asked for a JIS scewdriver ? Zero times ! Another boring fact, Im a keen racing cyclist using Japanese components which, surprise surprise use JIS screws for deraileur adjustmets, when I asked a VERY well know USA made bicycle tool manufacturer for a JIS screwdriver the reply was , Whats one of those ? So if you check the small alloy adjuster screws on Shimano gears they are all rounded out becuase everyone, included shop mechanics use PH or PZ drivers ! Boring facts for the day over and out ! Oh yeah, I do have a JIS screwdriver ;-)
That's actually extremely interesting and just goes to show how little is known about JIS screws. I have no idea why it's such a mystery?
Great information.... Keep it up Brian!!!! 👊😎
Thank you Sir. Gotta share what we learn. Thanks for stopping by. Can't wait for some ride video from you both when the weather let's up. Until then I'm loving the ski vids!!
I Wish i knew that 15 years ago and countless Carburettor bowl screws ......
Yes!! Absolutely. Even some jet kits come with replacement Allen head screws because "the old screws always strip out because they are old and seized ". Come to find out even they don't know or failed to tell us about JIS screws.
Thanks for watching and have a great day. Go get yourself some JIS screwdrivers and make your life easier. I've even noticed on halfway stripped screws the JIS will still get a good bite in the head of the screw and take it out.
@@dualsportdiary1150 i just ordered some JIS bits and an Impact screwdriver.
Its time to work like a professional :p .
I learned that back when I was a teenager. The JIS actually grips better than Phillips. It's not something that is common knowlage. If you get certified by the Japanese car manufacturs or the motorcycle repair technition course in the Arizona junior colleges they teach this.
I wish I learned as a teenager. I wish someone in my life would have passed that knowledge on to me at some point. You are legit the first person that I've heard say they knew about it. It's definitely not common knowledge and it should be.
@@dualsportdiary1150 I leaned the hard way when I was trying to remove a stuck screw from my Honda CT 55 and messed it up. The guy that worked on them on the Navy base in Alaska where I lived told me they were not the same and showed me the screw drivers under a magnifying glass. At that time though you could not just go out and buy them. He had ordered them from Japan and paid what was a lot of money for screw drivers at the time. I later made a set in metal shop in high school in CA cause they still weren't available to just buy.
@@EasyRiderGreg they still aren't readily available. With the internet nowadays you can get them on ebay or Amazon. These tips (MUCH cheaper than the full screwdriver) were special order. But I couldn't just go buy them and bring them home. I didn't mention but I did read that you can grind down the tip of a phillips and it will help a lot.
That screw in this video that was all chewed up already, I tried to take it out with a phillips and it wasn't budging, just kept slipping and popping out. Hit it with the JIS and it came out instantly like it was a brand new screw in perfect condition. You can literally feel how perfectly it bites into the screw and takes it out effortlessly. Thanks for your comments and experience Greg!! MUCH appreciated Sir.
@@dualsportdiary1150 It helps to use a JIS screwdriver with a solid shank, with end to hammer on, before you attempt to remove a screw/bolt.
Yep, never heard of this. Thank you for the info. 👍
Got to pass on what we learn.
Thanks for watching!
Wish I knew about this 15 years ago, I stripped out all 4 IAC valve screws, now Im screwed and gonna go to find them in town ( which is on Kauai, Hawaii) so may be a lil difficult, :) thanks for vids
I wish I knew about this decades ago! I'm glad it helps, this should be common knowledge for us but for some reason it seems to be a little known thing. All I can say is tell as many people about it as you can. Have a great one!
Hey I learned something new today who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks 😂😂 👊🏼😎
Pretty cool huh? I cut out so many examples of JIS screws in my garage and low and behold roughly half were stripped out!! Also check "skillz" comment and my reply in the comment section!!
Take care, thanks for watching Sir.
@@dualsportdiary1150 yeah I've stripped a few screws in my day, I never even though to look for any markings on the damn screw, I always just looked to see if it was a phillips or a flat head, cool stuff brother 👊🏼😎
OK I’ve seen those marks and now I know the rest of the story ha ha ha awesome teaching moment thanks
We learned way too late in life haha. Thanks for watching.
@@dualsportdiary1150 I’ve done crazy looking at different research on this a few times and then after I just watched this Video from a guy in the UK about all the rest of the different Fastener heads up pretty good taking all the other stuff out there
@@dualsportdiary1150 czcams.com/video/qz4agkBBFUo/video.htmlsi=cvwAS8uYPvY6gu5w
dang.. how did i not know about the dot thing.. ty
Crazy huh? We should have been taught this at a young age. Why is it such a hidden secret to us?
Thank you.
You're very welcome.
Very good info. Thanks.
Thank you Sir. Glad I could help.
Thanks for the information.
Absolutely, just passing on things I learn. Thanks for watching Larry!
50 years later now I know ugggg
It's insane we went all our life without knowing this. Thanks for watching.
Wow thank you do much!
Yep, absolutely!
I keep griping at my co-worker about this because he doesn't believe me and ruins not only the screw but my bits too. But he's also that guy that puts the #2 bit in everything and claims it works fine.
Ah, he seems very interesting 🤣
VESSAL makes some GREAT ones VESSEL MEGADORA IMPACTA Screwdriver (8 PCS SET) can get off amazon
Thanks for adding that info. The Motion Pro ones in the video were the cheapest I found anywhere and they were local to me (Chaparral Motorsports) but for someone that uses Amazon, that is good info. Especially when shipping speed is a concern.
Very informative video. Thank you.
Just out of curiosity, I have an old craftsman screwdriver that came with a set that says "Reed Prince" on the grip. It looks almost like a #2 phillips. I've never used it. Anyone know anything about these and how they compare to JIS screwdrivers?
That's interesting. A quick search shows it's for wood and boat building. I'll have to look into that some more. Thanks!!
Nice job with jis! Is there a way to figure out if a phillips screw is #1,2,3 instead of putting it in and wiggling it a little? This could be hard when the screw is rusted, stripped, painted etc...
To my knowledge, no. I have always gone off sight when looking at #1,2 or 3 Phillips. Thanks for watching.
@@dualsportdiary1150 thanks to you guys on yt I now know the difference between #1,2,3. I notice when using a #2 screw with a #2 Phillips bit the screws seems to strip half the time especially when the screws are soft metal. It seems like the bits are too pointy even tho they’re supposed to fit flush and this makes it strip. This just started happening lately over the past few years. It’s so annoying that I’ve been thinking about using different kinds of screw head that holds better
It's really important
Absolutely. It makes a difference for sure.
Good to know
Absolutely. Thanks for watching Kev. Much appreciated Sir! Ride safe brother.
Bonjour guy from the internet!!! Yeah I have rung a bunch of them off in my life and I didn't know why. I always thought they used softer metals.
Yeah me too. Just thought that was life lol.
Hmm interesting, never knew that.
I wish I knew a long time ago. Run it by your dad, tell him to google it. Once you know this you'll be amazed at how many screw heads strip out on the motorcycles and you just don't really realize it. Now you'll start putting one and one together and notice it more.
damnnnn😂 thanks a lot
lol I have owned my 96 Accord for Yeeeeeeaaaaaarrrrrrrssssss and am yet to strip a screw.
Where do the philips #0 , #1 & #2 Screwdrivers used? How to identify correct screws for use with correct Screwdrivers ?
Basically I've used looks alone to identify all the Phillips sizes. I just look at them and know which size based off the screw head. I guess it's natural and I have no guide to go off of.
*JIS* is the only way to go others will came out on the phillips makes a HUGE difference and the VESSAL ones are the BEST
It does make a huge difference. I wish I heard about this info when I was young.
@@dualsportdiary1150 Agree - worked at Yamaha/Kawasaki shop for about 8+ years as a mechanic back in the 'day' and always had 'cam out'. Before the Internet - in the mid to late 90's early 2000s'
@@mt1885 amazing. A Harley guy in the comments knew about this as a teenager. But the guy at the parts counter with many years experience with Japanese dirt bikes and also many years of selling tools and parts had no clue what these were. It just shows how scattered and inconsistent this extremely important information is.
@@dualsportdiary1150 I wonder why Japan used different cross-head patterns than standard metric and inch standard fasteners and why motorcycle and other vehicle paperwork did not warn about this?
Cool. Just picked up a 3 piece, 3 sizes JIS bit set from Wiha for 6 bucks.
That's a good deal. You will notice a difference.
On Accident!
Japanese culture and trades will not accept a fastener that cams out. They desire the ability to set the specific torque in a country that believes you do the job right or don't do it all. So the JIS fastener allow you to set the specific torque in a country that measures everything with precision. Surprised the Swiss, Belgians or Germans didn't do it too.
Absolutely true and I agree 100%
Thats why that Crf250f carb screws are stripped...yes we actually accidentally bought a 250F carb.
Yes carbs are the number one thing Everyone strips screws on. Actually on the "JD Jet Kit" for the Suzuki Drz400, they actually provide replacement screws with the jetting kit for the float bowl because everyone claims "the screws suck" since they always strip out on everyone. If they used the right tool for the job, maybe they wouldn't have that problem. JD Jet Kits should come with a JIS screwdriver bit instead of replacement screws. Just goes to show how people never knew this all their lives.
@@dualsportdiary1150 true that brother 💯
That's confusing, because sometimes the dot is in the upper right corner, and sometimes it's in the lower left or lower right corner, and occasionally, it'll even be in the upper left? What gives?!?
Beware or cheap knockoffs.
Aren’t they all bolts not screws, or is that an American English thing?
Eh, in America they are screws to us. Bolts have a hex or Allen head. Anything that has a Philips or Flathead is all lumped into "screws". That's how you get the word "screwdriver" not "bolt driver"
I just learned about these a few days ago and I ordered me a screwdriver with a few different sizes. It has 3 double sided bits that go into the weirdest handle I ever seen. It looks like a woman's sex toy. 😅
Oh wow. You got my attention! 🤣
@dualsportdiary1150 😆 🤣 😂
Look up Vessel ball drivers and you will see what I am talking about. I took a automotive class in highschool and I went through a carpentry course after highschool, I am so shocked that I just now found out about this. The Vessel screwdrivers have a ball at the end that pops off and it's a very small stubby, for the ratchet one's. They are definitely different.
@dualsportdiary1150 I got the screwdriver in yesterday with a 3 different double sided bits and they really do hold onto phillips screws very solid. My Honda motorcycle actually has these JIS screws, so I am so glad I never tried a phillips yet. My Makita gold bits kinda fits, but the Vessel really holds onto them. Thanks for your video.
Darn, JIS is made in China.
Everything is made in China nowadays 🤣
Well, the Vessel JIS screwdrivers I got came from Japan (courtesy of Amazon),
Working on Japanese slr film cameras.you cant use Phillips screwdrivers. You only need proper jis screwdrivers. They are not that expensive to buy.buy proper tools.will last you a lifetime.
Good information. I thought it was only in automotive and mechanical items. I will start paying attention to electronics as well. Thanks for watching.
I did know about JIS as it happens (but only discovered it last year). Also Pozidriv (popular in the UK esp. for woodscrews and the like). Also Torx. But turns out there are quite a few other standards:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives