Great Discussion guys, always good when we can set down and have respectable dialog and discussions, with sound doctrine, beliefs and practices. Even if we don't always agree on all topics. We should be able to sit down reasonably and reason with topics of issues that affect us all on some level or another. You both make some very good points.. This is good! l can say l agree with you both, not on all, but much presented from different perspectives of the same stance.. We need more of these dialogs of this magnitude. Thanks Corey for what you do bringing the topics to your platform.. Great Content! Keep up The Good Work! Appreciated!😊
Though I was late to the discussion, I am truly thankful for brother Corey and his display of a Christ-like character. This was a valuable lesson to the entire body of Christ. God bless!
I have respect for both of these brothers in Christ. The highlights for me include the respectful dialogue which demonstrated true godly character on both sides and Corey's willingness to apologize and take down the video regarding Isaiah Saldavar. When it comes to this topic, I am in between them two, believing that casting out demons is possible but that most folks abuse this and fake it. I hold my position on charismatic matters loosely because although many people fake it, to say that healing and deliverance from demons don't happen anymore is to restrict God's sovereignty.
Is it possible for a believer to demon possessed? Bible is clear a believer cannot have demon Only empty heart or a person without Holy Spirit can be possessed by demons If a person does not have Holy Spirit he is not saved to begin with Holy Spirit can be only attained by faith alone in the finished work of Christ It’s not received by human works of waiting and fasting Once a believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, he is sealed until the day of redemption Which means Holy Spirit does not leave a believer no matter whatsoever And bible is clear Baal and Christ cannot co-exist under the same roof
Mark 16:17-18 KJV And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [18] They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
I loved this seeing this. .it's obvious to me that both these men love our mighty Father despite having different understanding of the scriptures but their differences are neither Heaven or hell issues. .I pray my brother's and sisters are able to see this too and remove the log from their own eyes before pointing out the speck in their brother's eye..Glory to God..we love you Jesus
I appreciate this. I remember about 15 years ago, I was trying to”find” God. I was recently married, and we had a little baby. I moved 2,000 miles away from my home to Indiana thinking I was relocating to a whole new life, with my husband who grew up in a religious home and went to a Lutheran school k-12 grade. I believe my husband has believed in Christ since he was small. He read the entire Bible on his own from the time he could read. The Holy Spirit had been working on him since he was a little boy, as he can’t remember a time that he didn’t have love and true reverence for the Lord in his life. For me it was a much different story, I grew up with a new age, single mom, who hated Christianity and it was seared in my mind a very twisted idea of who Christ is and who his followers are. Now we moved to an extremely conservative town and the church we belonged to wasn’t a very sound, or biblical. It kind of reminded me of the Church of Sardis in the Book of Revelation. It was a spiritually dead church. Christ had left the building long before we got there, and it showed in its members. It was more like a church of man’s tradition, than it was a church of Christ. It showed in its members, as it appeared as though they cared more about going to church bc their family had been going there since the 4-5 generations. Not to go to that denomination would be considered the same as damnation and familial divorce, and to be shunned by the community. Now, they didn’t talk about sin, or repentance, they didn’t talk about needing to be born again, in fact, they joked about the believer who claims they are born again and the joy they experience coming out of disbelief and darkness. They did infant baptism, and believed that’s how one is saved. As someone who desperately wanted to have faith and come out of unbelief, I remember praying and crying and begging God to take my doubt away bc I couldn’t believe. I was walking around pretending like I believed and had faith like everyone else, but I didn’t. And there’s no way I was going to admit to anyone else that something was seriously off and missing and wrong. Fast forward 15 years later, I up having seizures and health issues. I was having horrific nightmares and it literally felt like I was possessed or dealing with some demonic spirits. It was when I cried out to the Lord and begged Him for help bc none of the medications were working for the seizures. I was diagnosed with MS. One night I was watching a John McArthur sermon that popped up on my feed, and I looked at my husband and said “I’m a sinner! That’s why I need Christ! I’m a wicked sinner!” And I instantly had true faith and truly believed! I had been born again right then. At least that’s what my perception of how I came to faith and what it means to believe. It was like I was blind and then all the sudden I believed. BTW: I haven’t had a seizure since that day.
This was awesome! I hope we all learned something. We can agree to disagree and still be brothers and sisters in Christ. We have to accept Jesus (believe and confess) to get to heaven. I will see many of you in heaven ✝️♥️ while we still disagree on things that aren't heaven or hell issues.
Yes, but repentance is two things. Confessing is just one of them, the other thing we have to do as Christians is to turn from our sin. When we want to sin or do something evil, we can turn around and do the right thing. God bless you and your family
I wish that there would have been more of you confronting his doctrine, but I also understand why you didn’t or couldn’t. Those of us who wanted it, already know. But you were trying to show us something, I do pray we saw what God was using you to convey
The *inconsistencies* started popping up VERY early on. I used to follow Pagani and the demon slayer crew (Vlad, Isaiah, Mike) quite religiously, and I remember VERY SPECIFICALLY what story Pagani told when it comes to the event that changed his mind about the deliverance ministry. He had allegedly been radically delivered himself, PERSONALLY (which is what he claimed convinced him), in a church meeting, alleging that he felt a crazy rage, that he started manifesting like crazy, and heard a voice telling him to let it keep manifesting & stuff (some details I can't recall). It was a *GRANDIOSE* story where another person came and was propelled in the air by the power of God, allegedly, and gave up a bag of weed after that event. That's what he said on a stream with the demon slayer crew. And here, NOT A PEEP, but struggling for 10yrs over 2 verses over the Bible... Also, he said he got saved in 1992, RADICALLY delivered from weed, pornography, etc. But on his channel, he has a testimony within a whole sermon where he said that he was addicted to pornography as a PASTOR. I'm not going to impune the guy's motives, but there's most definitely inconsistency and dishonesty being evidently showcased here. It's a real shame, but that's not at all on brother Corey.
I noticed the inconsistencies too!! You can tell there is something going on here. I wouldn't want him doing spiritual surgery on me!! It seems like alot of the people going to his church are young immature people who just got saved or they don't know Christ at all. And they just don't even know if what Pagani is saying is true or not and they just follow him blindly. This guy seems very prideful and the way he talks about "I just cast em out" like he's this tough guy!! He's NOT teaching sound Bible doctrine and he thinks he is! And they ALWAYS say look at the fruit look at the fruit. And then he says he comes against other deliverance ministers and then if they don't listen he BACKS OFF!! And WHY Sir are you going to just back off. Why would you NOT call them out for capitalizing on Our Savior!?? I am sorry I don't understand
I always wondered about the Radically delivered thing... He would have had to have backsliden, and if Radically delivered, I can't even imagine backsliding...
@Dave S. D. I didn't notice inconsistencies, but I do remember hearing him talk about the EXPERIENCE (not Scripture) that changed his mind. In just about every instance I've heard, it's always experiences (not Scripture) that leads people into this doctrine. That's a serious problem that people like Pagani ignore while doing "deliverance" on Christians, when nowhere in the Bible are we taught to do such a thing. So they are left with nothing but experiences, and then they try to mold the Bible around their experiences, which is a form of adding to the word of God, which is very dangerous (Proverbs 30:6). So something is indeed very wrong...but the blind cannot see, and the blind are leading the blind into a ditch.
There absolutely were inconsistencies. On a recent video of Isiah being a guest speaker Pagani commented regarding someone asking about David Diga Hernandez(Encounter TV). This was Pagani’s words and I quote “nope! Encounter TV has strayed away from deliverance! I would encourage no one to watch that channel!” So wait.. just because David stepped away from hyper focusing on deliverance ministry how they do it, he is telling others he’s strayed? Like he’s strayed away from the word of God? Why say something like that when David said in a recent video back to the basics. It’s about the simple gospel. He’s pointing people to Jesus, but here Pagani is against him encouraging people not to watch him. So is he not a brother? Here he is though, Corey addressing him as a brother. Corey addressing him cordially, in respect. Even though Corey said he still believes what he does, and Alex believes what he does at the end of the video. So even with this example, why would you tell people not to watch Encounter TV? How is Corey any different from Diga, since he said still believes what he does. Isn’t this double standards and hypocrisy? If I’m completely wrong, can someone correct me? I’m not above correction as some of these folks act like. God bless everyone, and Jesus is enough!
Amen Goes without saying we need each other, One - Body - Mind - Spirit following the Spirit of Christ and The Word of God! Working out our own Salvation in co-operation with The Greater One Inside! Who's Grace Is All Sufficient! The Great I Am! The Great Deliverer of All!
Please keep delivering it real, especially for those whole heartedly searching for truth cause many of these religious leaders out here is totally wack!
God bless you Corey. For everyone reading this. If you have surrendered your life to the Lord & are born again Please read & study the Word of God & obey the Lord. Then when you hear & see people doing things that are inconsistent with the Word, it will stick out to you so much that you won’t be deceived. Know the word so much that you don’t allow your feelings & emotions to dictate who God is, your feelings & emotions can deceive you. But God’s word does not. God bless you.
I always love how grounded and centered you are when you are faced with emotionally over the top guest usually charismatic types. You never lose your focus or biblical position even when your guest get hyped. Great job!
S Don I get that. I dont know him very well. If you say so I believe. Not counting anything against him personally. What I am speaking to that I see often is the use of emotion and hype to distract from a tenuous argument or position. It is Corey's manner and the likes that often keep an otherwise sensible and mature discussion from devolving into a prideful egotiscal defensive argument. And we can stay focused and possibly learn something.
@@547warrior I understand your viewpoint. Let me say this, I have in observed in Minor’s (not recent and months ago) past show display arrogance and that he is the “only one right “ interpretation of the scriptures. I prayed about why I felt this way. Now I have observed on his last couple of shows that he has shown humility and stand firm on what he believes. I actually think when he had Darryl Arnez on the show affected him in a positive way. I’m not an avid listener of AP but from what I have seen he is not argumentative, preach Christ, and yes he is energetic. Corey is calm and direct. Thats who God called him to be and that appeals to a lot of people. It saddens me when people go off their opinion decide who’s “false”. Honestly, I thought that about Corey when I thought he showed pride. Holy Spirit let me know he has a heart for him. Listen to the Holy Spirit instead of what “we” feel. Blessings
@@sdonald83 that was my issue too which was off putting. I probably haven't seen the middle videos which has seen what you and I are seeing which is a Corey still holding his position (nothing wrong with that) but a more measured, humble approach. He does have a heart for the Lord and desires to see truth being represented. AP had an amazing approach here and when he called Corey out on some issues I was so moved by what AP said but more so how Corey received that. It truly blessed me. Trust me!
Yeah, you're absolutely right because it helps a lot with the younger people who watch both them to have good, Godly centered discussions that are beneficial and become more Christ like.
Both of you had interesting viewpoints and I learned from both of you. From the comments, you can tell who half heartedly watched the video. Both men had subscribers come to the chats with their minds made up and constantly taking both parties out of context. Listening is crucial. For example, Pagani said multiple times in this live and on his channel that Christians cannot be demon possessed but yet y’all continually kept calling him a heretic in the comments because of something he clearly said he does not believe in. As the church we have to learn to listen. Corey doesn’t necessarily agree with his ministry but he learned to listen. You’ll be surprised what you learn when you come to into a conversation with humility versus defensiveness, especially over someone you barely know. Ears already plugged from the beginning and not trying to understand anyone’s point of view. The comment section reflected that and while it wasn’t surprising, it was disappointing to see.
It’s unfortunate, but many believers do this because they are fearful or prideful. I can attest that Jesus is the prince of peace and submitting to him produces patience, understanding, and love
Pastor Pagani your wife is 💯 it’s your content that you put on social media that leads people that you preach salvation through deliverance and not Jesus- I’ve gained a better understanding and appreciation for you inspite of some doctrinal issues- may God continue to bless you
Thank you Pastor Pagani your many words of wisdom from the Father. For Pastor Minor…”there’s power in the name of Jesus”. I truly believe that anyone who calls on the name of Jesus will have some kind of experience with Him just bc they called on His name. God’s sovereignty allows Him to respond to one whether or not they have a relationship with Him. God has “mercy” on whom he chooses. Love your show Pastor Corey.
Romans 1:16 says For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." People are saved when the Gospel is preached, and they are convicted of their sin, not when someone "casts a demon out of you" the power and authority have been given to Christ (Matthew 28:18) and so we have none.
Getting saved is one thing, but you have to put time and mental focus and intent into the relationship. If your not in The Word daily, in prayer daily, in ALL THINGS consulting God you can very easily get influenced by demons. Demons exist. Satan exists. I think people needing the extreme deliverance also probably were not putting in the effort to the relationship with God. If Pastor Pagani brings relief and a reset to people who fell astray. Do it. But immediately give thanks, and get back on track, Every vice out there is from Satan. So if you can view it as what it was intended for which is to destroy then it’s much easier to stay away from. I personally am unsure about the deliverance ministry as a whole, but I also am not from that. I pray that these Pastors protect themselves dealing with that realm which I don’t understand being human. It’s definitely a gift. This was a GREAT conversation
Compassion moved him to a secondary topic. That stood out to me. It's not that the primary did not work. It was Compassion for the straying fold the ones who have not completely depended on Jesus. Also I see that there is a division there. It was a conversation on two different understanding. Corey believes once saved im sure Pagani does. But we are hindered sometimes by worldly thing or motives that we do not let go till it has taken ahold that does not mean Jesus isn't with us it means we have forfeited worldy things. We are saints that sometimes sin and when we hold on to a specific sin it can do a mental gymnastic to our mind. So let the mind of christ be in you. You are saved, you are a Saint a royal priesthood washed and sanctified by the blood of Jesus. Deliverance is what Corey believes and knows Jesus to have done. And deliverance Pagani believes God is still doing. Am I wrong?
Its sounds like he did some studying up on reformed lingo before he came on. The way he's talking now, if I listened to his other sermons, videos, or interviews, would I hear the same things?
I like how Cory question the brother and he is clam. Cory listen to the brother side of the brother doctrine will preach and look into the scriptures good job Cory keep up the work
Bravo Pastor Corey, very sharp Question: why is the spirit of God not enough for a believer when a phrase"in Jesus name" is ? this is the heart of the issue, it has to be the issue of the heart. I am ok with casting demons out of someone in a context of salvation according to the scriptures: of a unbeliever while the full message of the Gosple is clearly preached. we don't cast out stuff for fun, it is a deadly serious topic, you can have the demons out and still go to hell if you die in your sins.
Not trying to demean Pagani but... after reading Mark 9, he was way off. It doesn't say that it took an hour for the child (this is the only demon possession shown in this chapter) to be delivered. The reason the apostles couldn't deliver the demon is because, according to Jesus, they didn't have enough faith. Jesus literally said, “You deaf and mute spirit. I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.” and the demon left instantly. And Jesus proceeds to say that this kind of demon ONLY COMES OUT BY PRAYER.
The best way to prove deliverance ministry is by experience. Some people believe by faith, but others have to experience it first hand. Once someone prays for you or a loved one and a demon manifest, you automatically become a believer. I've gone through deliverance many times as well as cast out demons. I understand it's new to a lot people but it's been around since the Bible. These signs shall follow those who believe. God bless.
Bro Corey, obviously neither i nor any of your other viewers were privy to the private pre-interview conversation you two had, but i did wonder why you never asked him about the *rank* eisegesis by which he encouraged those he was teaching in at least one recorded instance to become spiritual "zoologists." This is at least one highly extra-Biblical practice that his deliverance ministry has rightly earned some shade for. I was working during the Live, or i might have asked him in the chat. It was very pleasant, encouraging, and instructive to see you two chop it up and disagree honorably while still firmly affirming the essentials of our faith, and stating fervently and clearly enough (in a short time) each of your soteriologies. The fact that Pagani went out of his way to clarify his statement on osas was noteworthy, considering it was to an audience that was probably more comfortable with what he seemed to affirm before his clarification. He also showed his seminary credentials clearly enough that they could be screenshotted or people could go investigate for themselves the legitimacy of where he was educated (Steve Kozar, for one, has demonstrated how to do this well). At the same time, another commenter mentioned inconsistencies between origin stories he told here and those he told in other recorded instances regarding his own conversion experience and his entrance into deliverance ministry. If what this commenter is saying is true (which is reasonably easy to investigate, provided said videos are still available), i would say this is highly suspect. There have been several other teachers with very bad doctrine that have shown this same inconsistency when retelling their come-up. Also, his explanation of how little of a friendship he had with MR...frankly, sounded like he was encouraging him to clean up his verbiage and sound more Biblical so that he wouldn't have such a hard time passing people's theological smell tests. To say it another way, from his own explanation, it sounded more like PR advice than truth pursuit. Still and all, how he *presented* himself was very straightforward. Cross-examination of his statements might still be worthwhile...but at the end of the day you still had this conversation with him in a much more manly way than i know how to. I pray that God would give me courage to Love people (Brothers or otherwise) more directly - whether it's comfortable or not - and to stand up for the Truth to the point of insult or injury when necessary.
Is it possible for a believer to demon possessed? Bible is clear a believer cannot have demon Only empty heart or a person without Holy Spirit can be possessed by demons If a person does not have Holy Spirit he is not saved to begin with Holy Spirit can be only attained by faith alone in the finished work of Christ It’s not received by human works of waiting and fasting Once a believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, he is sealed until the day of redemption Which means Holy Spirit does not leave a believer no matter whatsoever And bible is clear Baal and Christ cannot co-exist under the same roof
@@nonamecanada5437Exactly all the nice smooth brother brother talk is ok but when it comes to teaching God’s people about his word we can’t be lying or adding to scripture. The Bible is clear saying that the SPIRIT IN YOU Cannot SIN. That is saying the Holy Spirit is residing in us believers working that new man OUTWARDLY from the heart. It’s no way a demon can dwell in the same temple as God. Some stuff is common sense. Giving place to the Devil and being POSSESSED is not the same thing!
The integrity on display in this video shows these brothers in Christ are being led by the Holy Spirit. I watching this, I became more interested in HOW they relate to one other than who is right and who is wrong. I hope we all can learn from this. Soli Deo Gloria! 😃
Much thanks! I’m really trying to understand the movement at a distance. For two reasons, 1. Pagani came to our sister church in Alaska and they ended up having a divisive split afterwards, it was messy. 2. The pastor who invited him, labeled myself as demonized when quite frankly I don’t think I am as a believing Christian. I want to see where they are coming from and why it is they interpret scripture in the way they do. Also, It seems kind of lopsided to me. At one end, Pagani and Saldiver say something like, “If you oppose Deliverance ministry that means you oppose Christ.“ And frame other Christian’s as the “bad guy” for expressing caution. Then they go on shows that are critical, in a spirit of love, and (with a smile on their face) say, “We’re just brothers who disagree!” It seems kinda inconsistent. If Critical/ Cautious Christians are indeed Brothers… then why did you condemn them on your CZcams Channels? If they are in opposition to Christ, where is your boldness to rebuke and stand firm against those criticisms. From the side it seems like they aren’t living what they preach and they aren’t practicing how they truly think of other Christians. The same goes for the other side of the fence! Where is the rebuke of unscriptural understandings, I hear it all the time, “My experience with the demonic trumps scripture.” Now they won’t blatantly say that, but in passing, and in practice, this is what the movement has a habit of doing. This is why they depend on varying methodologies to their deliverances, because what is clearly written as a guide isn’t sufficient. Seems off: Either there is a healthy medium that we aren’t being open about in our interpretation of Reality. OR these polarized extremes aren’t as distant as they frame themselves in their Channels.
Help me understand the deliverance ministry delivering "Christians" from demons. Jesus cast out the unclean spirits: Without question Jesus was casting out the unclean spirits but He was not casting these spirits from Christians. Why do I say this because there were no Christians during Jesus' ministry. So please if you can show me where the the Lord's apostles delivered any Christian believer from unclean spirits in the Bible.
@smart christian channel. This was an overall good discussion, but I would have liked to see you (brother Corey) hold Pagani more accountable in how he eisegeted (read into) Scripture. He made reference to Ephesians 4:27, which has nothing to do with demons possibly entering Christians, and also twisted James 4:7 but you did not correct his distortion. The text does NOT say that if we do not resist the devil that he will not flee and then we will be entered into by the devil or demons, but that's what Pagani argued. Please do not let people get away with distorting Scripture on your show. At the very least, you should challenge their claims and move on. But for you to allow the distortions gives the false impression that you agree with them.
@@smartchristians I guess I can understand that if you had a prior agreement, but at the same time, I probably would have told him that we can't do this if we can't be honest with the text of Scripture, or if I could not attempt to correct what I perceived as a distortion of Scripture during discussion. It's vitally important during discussions of Scripture that we present Scripture correctly before people.
@@CRoadwarrior if you check James 4:8 it says : 8Come close to God, and God will come close to you. Wash your hands, you sinners; purify your hearts, for your loyalty is divided between God and the world Did you notice James is calling that particular audience “sinner” So do you think that set of people who are in James 4:7 are believers ? Something to chew
@@CRoadwarrior Is it possible for a believer to be demon possessed? Bible is clear a believer CANNOT have demon Only empty heart or a person without Holy Spirit can be possessed by demons If a person does not have Holy Spirit he is not saved to begin with Holy Spirit can be only attained by faith alone in the finished work of Christ It’s not received by human works of waiting and fasting Once a believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, he is sealed until the day of redemption Which means Holy Spirit does not leave a believer no matter whatsoever And bible is clear Baal and Christ cannot co-exist under the same roof
@@nonamejustbecause5130 I don't think that's what he was saying, but sometimes we don't need to challenge the false teachers/ing, they themselves by their own lips, will show their error. Sometimes it's best to just let them wax lyrical and dig their own grave. Those who have ears to hear, will and those who's hearts are hard will only be reached by the Holy Spirit. It is encouraging to read the comments and see the discernment and soft hearts, the humility and understanding. But also having these conversations pushes us all to read the Bible more and seek out sound doctrine for ourselves. So praise God for that!
Corey, I'm here in defense of Isaiah Saldivar. He is truly a man of God. His ministry is deliverance. Jesus and the disciples, delivered ppl from demonic forces. His ministry delivers ppl biblically. I am one of them. There have been many others, that have a better life, since knowing of him. His ministry frees ppl from these sinful actions. Demons are real and ppl are being tormented by them. God's plan is for us to be free, of demonic forces. That's what deliverance is about. I am glad to see that ur eyes are now opened, and you are a wiser man. I enjoy ur program.
Question? "A Christian could potentially have a demon in an area that is unsubmitted to the Holy Spirit." WHAT??? What about our body is a temple for the Holy Spirit! My WHOLE body is for the Holy Spirit of God, not some. You had Awesome Patience Brother Corey!
Unfortunately, Pagani has to provide scriptural evidence and support for the idea of Christian’s having or possess a demon…. If his testimony is simply from hearing a voice and seeing visions, then that is no different from all other false cults in how they started…. Experience is not a solid foundation to proving something is from G-d.. that is where most false start from…. Hearing and visions that is fall
@@Warriorsoul300 Is it possible for a believer to be demon possessed? Bible is clear a believer cannot have demon Only empty heart or a person without Holy Spirit can be possessed by demons If a person does not have Holy Spirit he is not saved to begin with Holy Spirit can be only attained by faith alone in the finished work of Christ It’s not received by human works of waiting and fasting Once a believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, he is sealed until the day of redemption Which means Holy Spirit does not leave a believer no matter whatsoever And bible is clear Baal and Christ cannot co-exist under the same roof
I really think I came to a healthy respect for Pagani here. I do truly consider him a Brother in Christ. I do still disagree that believers can be possessed, or rather possess a demon as he puts it. But I strongly believe in demonic oppression. The devil is real and active out here. There are a lot of christians out here deeply struggling due to demonic oppression and influence. There definitely needs to be some deliverance in that sense.
I have watched a number of Corey's videos. Disagreed with a lot. I am on the side of Pagani in terms of beliefs. With that said this is THE BEST video I have seen period. My heart smiled and this video entirely glorified the Lord. Corey, that was supremely humble of you to admit you were wrong re the other pastor. This was AMAZING!! Well done BROTHERS!! Side note: Some of your videos I viewed as harsh and arrogant to some extent and I was gonna unsubscribe. I am glad I did not.
Bro you need to start reading the bible through hermeneutics which is interpreting scripture through other scriptures,and the original language,and who the writer is speaking to,and the culture of that time.Here are some great biblical teachers that teach through hermeneutics.John MacArthur JAMES WHITE Voddie Bachum Steve Lawson Paul Washer JEFF Durbin Alistair Begg.
@@sonnylockington5728 first off thank you for your suggestions but no thanks. You are trying to order me to follow the list you have outlined. The same MacArtuur who "rightly divided" the word with Hermeneutics and told the man's wife to do what?? Listen man, do what Brother Corey did and just love and move right along. You are not budging and neither am I. They disagreed in Acts and it continues today. Washer, Voddie I'm aware of. They make solid points but I don't agree with all they say.
Corey, I have to give you an update I think would be of interest to you. Chris Rosebrough of Fighting 4 the Faith Channel, Pirate Christian Radio, hosts a fun monthly game called 'prophesy bingo'! It sheds light on various youtubers who consistently post crazy 'prophetic' content. Your friend, Alexander Pagani made the show with his heretical ramblings. If you've never watched the show, maybe you should. There are some very interesting regular perpetrators of false doctrine in the game. Pagani may become one of them. The newest installment for Jan 2023 was particularly humorous.
How is this? Deliverance is a sign of a believer according to Jesus? Jesus himself conducted deliverances, many of his miracles were deliverances. ”And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues;“ Mark 16:15-17 ESV
It’s IMPOSSIBLE for Christians to have demons because the Spirit of God dwells in us. We can be oppressed but NEVER possessed! The Spirit of God and the devil cannot dwell in the same temple. This Pagani guy reminds me of Marcus Rogers. Smh 🤦🏽♀️
I have had the Holy Spirit cast the spirit of sorcery out of me. The Holy Spirit himself used my mouth to speak and say Christians not being able to have a demonic spirit is alive from the pit of hell.
Something I noticed right away, Corey was quick to say and call him a brother. I could be wrong but I don't recall Pagani returning the same respect. Did Pagani at any point call Corey a brother?
Please check out brother Kevin Ewing from the Bahamas. Also, Dr. Rebecca Brown. I admire both of you, but there is some critical information missing on both sides.
Kevin Ewing's methods of prayer (going after evil spiritual altars in my spirit/soul) helped me get delivered from alcohol after many, many years of trying on my own. Recently just reached five years of complete sobriety to the glory of God.
2019 through 2021, almost a certified forerunner for the Supernatural Life. Come spring of 2021 through spring of 2022, joined Deliverance ministries; Isaiah Saldivar, and then Demon Torture Ministry. And then the… “aha” moment, were God pulled from. Not man but God! And that “aha” moment was Matthew 3:7-12. Since spring of 2022, rightly dividing the Word of God. I thank God to this day for that “aha” moment, I ventured into a direction, I never saw coming. Romans 8:38-39 - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, (shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord).
Corey you are smart. I too believe that you allowed Pagani to reveal all that he believes. This was smart of you not to argue. Lying wonders will deceive many.
@saintsean peace to you. “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?” Amos 3:3 KJV “even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,” 2 Thessalonians 2:9 KJV “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?” Matthew 7:15-16 KJV “He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.” 1 Thessalonians 4:8 KJV “Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.” Matthew 7:17
“ "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” 2 Corinthians 6:14 KJV “Abstain from all appearance of evil.” 1 Thessalonians 5:22 KJV
@@wonderfullymade4009 yes Paul is telling the Corinthians church to abstain from pagan BAAL worship which already started in church And chapter 7:1 he is encouraging the true believers to come out of those pagan believers who where yoke with demons ( gibberish tongues speakers)
I thought the angels that sinned were in chains til judgement? How they still running around? N how many Israelites came out of Egypt demon possessed??? This demon convo needs to start in the Old Testament before we try to make sense of them in the New Testament
Respect to bro Pagani! bro is a great and persuasive communicator. He seems to really believe what he teaches/preaches. Yet Corey's foundation is more sure and has stood for nearly 2000 years. The word of God is the authority as opposed to experience or what we think might be. Paul didn't tell the Corinthians who were suffering from pride, divisions, sexual immorality they had demons that needed to be cast out. To make this conclusion is absolutely extra-biblical and no matter how persuasive it may sound we need to be grounded on the word. Paul taught Timothy to teach and preach the doctrine of Christ and to teach it to other men (2nd Tim 2:2). Nothing about deliverance. Would be sad if we needed that understanding and never got it from scripture.
Corey I watched one video of this guy on Saldivars channel and he was hollering when he was explaining demons and spiritual spouses. I couldn't get with his ministry or Saldivars. Coming from churches like his and pastors saying every single thing was a demon or some type of spirit had me very fearful for a long time until I came to the truth. Now brother Corey can you please check this man Kevin LA Ewing out for me please? I is to follow him also until coming across channels like yours. He teaches on different types of spirits, spiritual spouses, witchcraft, generation curses that follow believers and so much more. I'm trying to see something. 👀 btw great job and I love your patience and your channel. ❤
@@ruth6407 now I did learn about tithing from him but he made 4 videos about it which was a lot. After I started listening to channels like this and really reading like what the heck. I have seem the video you're talking about though. Glad you stopped watching him to.
@@monicaspencer199 yea his tithing teaching was great I agree. But your right when you really start to get in the Word you see how deceptive his teaching is and how the scriptures are twisted. I was being tormented spiritually, by listening to him and praying what he said to pray. He would teach speaking to demons like that’s normal. The worst false teachers are those who appear to be humble. Thank you Jesus for pulling you out as well. Blessing sister 😊
@@ruth6407 yes even my children were seeing things and I was praying those long prayers. When I stopped following him then all of the foolishness did to
A good friend of mine goes to Pagani's church. He eats, sleeps and breathes Pagani and Salvadar's teachings. I've known my friend for years, and ALL he talks about is deliverance. He even believes there are never ending layers to deliverance in a Christians life. I don't see that in scripture.
Yeah I don't believe everything Pagani is saying. He's not being honest about it. It's like just say it, you do deliverance and you teach it too!! Mostly everything is attributed to a demon. Just say it!! He said he has done over 1,000 deliverance...Well thats ALOT!! And he admits that there is people who chase deliverance and hyper deliverance churches.. Well he is one of them. Sorry!! But when he along with a few others made a video refuting Allen Parrs video regarding deliverance, their words basically said it all. They showed where they are with deliverance. And is he sure that was God who told him to look into deliverance?? And 10 yrs is a long time to wrestle with if deliverance is wrong or right!?? It looks like he got hooked, hook line and sinker.
@@jenn5773 I agree 1,000 percent. Like I said, my good friend is Pagani's disciple. And there are so many extra Biblical teachings about deliverance my friend believes.
@@jssr4550 OH man!! I'm sorry, that is so hard. There is definitely a complex going on there. I think the main root is pride. That's good that you are your friends friend, you can pray for them. God bless you!
Is it possible for a believer to be demon possessed? Bible is clear a believer cannot have demon Only empty heart or a person without Holy Spirit can be possessed by demons If a person does not have Holy Spirit he is not saved to begin with Holy Spirit can be only attained by faith alone in the finished work of Christ It’s not received by human works of waiting and fasting Once a believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, he is sealed until the day of redemption Which means Holy Spirit does not leave a believer no matter whatsoever And bible is clear Baal and Christ cannot co-exist under the same roof
I am trying to say In Christ a believer is complete He lack nothing for the rapture I am as ready to be rapture or death And a believer can challenge the death “Ohh death where is your sting” Because a believer has the clothing of Christ righteousness which can be only attained by faith alone and not by works
🔥Luke 11:14,24-26🔥 14 And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered. 24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. 25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
if a temple of God still needs something other than the power of the Holy spirit (holiness at the consciense level) to overcome a sin, what is the point of the Holy spirit. I thought that was why He came, otherwise ""What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death??"". Hopefully we who knew God would agree with Paul"" Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!","If God is for us,(BP) who can be against us?. Those who are blaming demons for their sins just need to repent and hear the real Gosple. If you were trully born again, God grace is sufficient for you no matter what the sin is. stop following Adam and Eve for shifting blames and repent!
37:41 both of you, if you want to say, both sides, are literally giving examples of a variation of different kinds of deliverance. Both of you are stating deliverance that happened in the Bible.
1. You know if it's a demonic-related hindrance if the Holy Spirit reveals it to be so, whether by prayer, discernment, a word of knowledge, or otherwise. 2. What does it matter, if, by prayer, renewal of the mind, and good, sensible or Biblical habits someone is set free from sin, oppression, or possession, or whether they are free through the equally Scriptural method of spiritual deliverance (i.e., casting out of demons)? Regardless, it is the same Holy Spirit Who does both. For some: instant healings are given; and to others, a more gradual healing process--but it is the resurrection power of Christ all the same, or at the natural level, our Creator's design of the human body (for those who would argue against supernatural healings). Did not God enable the healing all the same? 3. Even a believer who does not have the baptism of the Holy Spirit can cast out demons. It is for those who believe in the Name above all names--yes, the authority of Christ--who have power to do such. So in neither case is it accomplished by a believer who is baptized by the Holy Spirit or a believer who is born again--it is by the authority of Christ, all the same. (Whether by mention of His Name or as a believer exercising faith in the power accorded to them by faith in that name as a believer). 4. And I have more to say on the matter--and I understand the proclivity for some to deny the power of the Holy Spirit to do miracles through Christ's Body on earth today--but if we can receive forgiveness of sins and a reborn spirit (salvation) today... how hard is it for God to effect the same miracles today, even the resurrection of the dead, the healing of the sick, or the casting out of evil spirits? It seems to me that both salvation and the other miracles are just as valid today, as when the church was initially established. And I do not see anywhere in Scripture where that capability was invalidated or only enjoyed by the first generation of believers. 5. Brother Corey, I really like and appreciate your channel. It took a measure of humility to cast off arrogance and apologize for heavy-handedness after calling another Christian brother a witchdoctor--and for casting out of demons, at that. Reminds me of when Jesus was essentially accused of the same. This is part of the function of the Body of Christ: to be accountable to and submit ourselves one to another in Christ, to bear one another's burdens, and to be doers of the Word, and not just hearers. Be blessed in Him in the knowledge of and power of His resurrection!
As a Christian we don’t get the devil out we resist him and he will flee. On top of those that are Gods children the evil one doesn’t touch us. A Christian cannot have a demon. It’s your flesh that you need to put into submission. Jesus gave us the ability to overcome our desires and sinful nature.
There are a lot of people who have done videos on the Falasy of Saldavar, not only Corey. Not saying he is False, just saying Corey is not the only one.
If casting out demons is still going on then also raising the dead should be happening but I believe when you believe in Jesus Christ then only then will you be delivered from inward demons...
I appreciate what you did during this conversation brother Corey, but Mr Pagani, when pressed reverted to a default position of “we are saying the same things just said differently”. He stated that he doesn’t make it a practice to know the types of demons he is casting out,then said he does it sometimes and then has a video stating that God has called us to be spiritual zoologist: zo·ol·o·gist /zōˈäləjəst/ Learn to pronounce noun an expert in or student of the behavior, physiology, classification, and distribution of animals. Classification being the operative word. If he isn’t as focused on the deliverance side, then why make it into a science? I asked a question that was relevant that wasn’t touched upon; how can someone teach someone else to speak in tongues? I feel that that was a fair question seeing as that is one thing that Pagani teaches.
Exactly brother, I haven't gotten through the entire stream yet, but the *inconsistencies* started popping up VERY early on. I used to follow Pagani and the demon slayer crew quite religiously, and I remember VERY SPECIFICALLY what story Pagani told when it comes to the event that changed his mind about the deliverance ministry. He had allegedly been radically delivered himself in a church meeting, alleging that he felt a crazy rage, that he started manifesting like crazy, and heard a voice telling him to let it keep manifesting & stuff. It was a GRANDIOSE story where another person came and was propelled in the air by the power of God, allegedly, and gave up a bag of weed after that event. That's what he said on a stream with the demon slayer crew. And here, NOT A PEEP, but struggling for 10yrs over 2 verses over the Bible. Also, he said he got saved in 1992, RADICALLY delivered from weed, pornography, etc. But on his channel, he has a testimony within a whole sermon where he said that he was addicted to pornography as a PASTOR. And I'm only 57mins in... I'm not going to impune the guy's motives, but there's most definitely inconsistency and dishonesty being evidently showcased here. It's a real shame. I've listened to a lot of Pagani, and he's well-versed enough in the Scripture to win over those who do not study the Scriptures and are not theologically-grounded.
On Isaiah, having followed him a lot as well before, one thing I can say for sure is that he seems very sincere, he's very consistent as well, his theology is objectively off, but he's sincere. Pagani man, I don't want to outright say that he's intentionally deceiving people, but his words and actions do seem to heavily point towards that conclusion if you scrutinize him minutely.
@@daves.d.6326 pagani I as clearly bothered by the chat and took to calling those who disagreed “immature Christian’s”. That makes the same tactic Marcus Rogers does when you criticize his exegesis; “the Pharisees are coming” or “gummy bear Christians.” It’s a passive aggressive way of dismissing anyone who may have a valid qualm with his mishandling of scripture.
@@smartchristians it’s all good brother Corey, I understand and I don’t mean to come off as being entitled or selfish, but it really just irks me how, yes although he maybe a brother in Christ because he acknowledges core tenants and teachings of Christianity, he evaded some questions that I know he would have had a hard time answering because there is clearly one answer that can explain his motives.there are things that are off about him, “freely I have received and freely I give, but I had to pay for my education”, so he charges to teach deliverance and speak in tongues? He stated that pastors should be teaching this in the churches and if they did, clearly it would be frowned upon if they put a price tag on it,…so at this point it just sounds like supply and demand.
DELIVERANCE I$ A BIG BUSINE$$. IF PAGANI$ SCHOOLING WASN'T FREE THEN WOULDN'T HE JUST MAKE ENOUGH TO REPLACE THAT MONEY HE USED??? SO WHY MAKE MORE EXTRA MONEY??? 😅😂🤣 SOUNDS GOOD THOUGH SPIRITUAL HUSTLERS THE SIGNS AND WONDERS MOVEMENT IS A BIG BUSINESS/INDUSTRY...
I was only able to watch a little bit. I don’t know how he doesn’t have a headache he talked nonstop for about 10 mins. When do you silence yourself for the sake of hearing from the Holy Spirit? Mr. Pagani doesn’t appear to be doctrinally sound. Some good points. Repeatedly saying that Corey name called and that they just don’t agree is odd. No, your argument is not biblical; it’s not even a matter of disagreement. Calling someone a witch doctor because they are essentially using witch doctor practices seems like a good judge of character. Peace within the body of Christ is a blessing but rightfully dividing the word is a necessity. It was nice to see Corey apologize where he felt he should. I don’t think Corey is harsh by making his statements about the others. He’s assessing what he sees. I think it important to be sound & clear. God Bless you all.
Jesus said there's not a man that can do a work in my name and be against me, at the name. Of Jesus. God can deliver you all by him self, with out a person.
Do not remove this video Alex’s teachings are completely wrong in so many ways. There’s videos that are factual, discrediting biblically his teachings on CZcams as a false teacher.
i went to Deliverance services and got worse. Christ delivered me on the cross. It's a process. I think God used him to help other prisoners, but he is a little proud don't ya think?
Glory to God for the healthy communication and correction Love y’all brothers, peace and grace in Jesus name
Great job to both men, Corey and Pagani. I enjoyed this discussion, it was very edifying. Refreshing to see in the Christian community..
I respect how they had this discourse. They agreed to disagree at points & agreed to seek the Word throughout.
Great Discussion guys, always good when we can set down and have respectable dialog and discussions, with sound doctrine, beliefs and practices. Even if we don't always agree on all topics. We should be able to sit down reasonably and reason with topics of issues that affect us all on some level or another. You both make some very good points.. This is good! l can say l agree with you both, not on all, but much presented from different perspectives of the same stance.. We need more of these dialogs of this magnitude. Thanks Corey for what you do bringing the topics to your platform.. Great Content! Keep up The Good Work! Appreciated!😊
Though I was late to the discussion, I am truly thankful for brother Corey and his display of a Christ-like character. This was a valuable lesson to the entire body of Christ. God bless!
I have respect for both of these brothers in Christ. The highlights for me include the respectful dialogue which demonstrated true godly character on both sides and Corey's willingness to apologize and take down the video regarding Isaiah Saldavar. When it comes to this topic, I am in between them two, believing that casting out demons is possible but that most folks abuse this and fake it. I hold my position on charismatic matters loosely because although many people fake it, to say that healing and deliverance from demons don't happen anymore is to restrict God's sovereignty.
I 100% agree with you.
Awesome sister..well said..Praise the Lord
Is it possible for a believer to demon possessed?
Bible is clear a believer cannot have demon
Only empty heart or a person without Holy Spirit can be possessed by demons
If a person does not have Holy Spirit he is not saved to begin with
Holy Spirit can be only attained by faith alone in the finished work of Christ
It’s not received by human works of waiting and fasting
Once a believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, he is sealed until the day of redemption Which means Holy Spirit does not leave a believer no matter whatsoever
And bible is clear Baal and Christ cannot co-exist under the same roof
Has this opinion withstood the test of time?
@@adriaanj1808 I planted my flag here!
Calling someone a "witch doctor" when witchcraft is observed, is nothing short of speaking the truth.
Scripture is what dictates doctrine not experience
Mark 16:17-18 KJV
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [18] They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
AMEN 💯
Well, we know that Christ's disciples did cast out demons and some others in the book of Acts, so we know who that scripture is in reference to.
I loved this seeing this. .it's obvious to me that both these men love our mighty Father despite having different understanding of the scriptures but their differences are neither Heaven or hell issues. .I pray my brother's and sisters are able to see this too and remove the log from their own eyes before pointing out the speck in their brother's eye..Glory to God..we love you Jesus
I appreciate this. I remember about 15 years ago, I was trying to”find” God. I was recently married, and we had a little baby. I moved 2,000 miles away from my home to Indiana thinking I was relocating to a whole new life, with my husband who grew up in a religious home and went to a Lutheran school k-12 grade. I believe my husband has believed in Christ since he was small. He read the entire Bible on his own from the time he could read. The Holy Spirit had been working on him since he was a little boy, as he can’t remember a time that he didn’t have love and true reverence for the Lord in his life. For me it was a much different story, I grew up with a new age, single mom, who hated Christianity and it was seared in my mind a very twisted idea of who Christ is and who his followers are.
Now we moved to an extremely conservative town and the church we belonged to wasn’t a very sound, or biblical. It kind of reminded me of the Church of Sardis in the Book of Revelation. It was a spiritually dead church. Christ had left the building long before we got there, and it showed in its members. It was more like a church of man’s tradition, than it was a church of Christ. It showed in its members, as it appeared as though they cared more about going to church bc their family had been going there since the 4-5 generations. Not to go to that denomination would be considered the same as damnation and familial divorce, and to be shunned by the community. Now, they didn’t talk about sin, or repentance, they didn’t talk about needing to be born again, in fact, they joked about the believer who claims they are born again and the joy they experience coming out of disbelief and darkness. They did infant baptism, and believed that’s how one is saved.
As someone who desperately wanted to have faith and come out of unbelief, I remember praying and crying and begging God to take my doubt away bc I couldn’t believe. I was walking around pretending like I believed and had faith like everyone else, but I didn’t. And there’s no way I was going to admit to anyone else that something was seriously off and missing and wrong.
Fast forward 15 years later, I up having seizures and health issues. I was having horrific nightmares and it literally felt like I was possessed or dealing with some demonic spirits. It was when I cried out to the Lord and begged Him for help bc none of the medications were working for the seizures. I was diagnosed with MS.
One night I was watching a John McArthur sermon that popped up on my feed, and I looked at my husband and said “I’m a sinner! That’s why I need Christ! I’m a wicked sinner!” And I instantly had true faith and truly believed! I had been born again right then. At least that’s what my perception of how I came to faith and what it means to believe. It was like I was blind and then all the sudden I believed.
BTW: I haven’t had a seizure since that day.
This was awesome! I hope we all learned something. We can agree to disagree and still be brothers and sisters in Christ. We have to accept Jesus (believe and confess) to get to heaven. I will see many of you in heaven ✝️♥️ while we still disagree on things that aren't heaven or hell issues.
Yes, but repentance is two things. Confessing is just one of them, the other thing we have to do as Christians is to turn from our sin. When we want to sin or do something evil, we can turn around and do the right thing.
God bless you and your family
DON'T REMOVE THE VIDEO
I wish that there would have been more of you confronting his doctrine, but I also understand why you didn’t or couldn’t. Those of us who wanted it, already know. But you were trying to show us something, I do pray we saw what God was using you to convey
Amen, those who have ears to hear will. Those who don't, only the Holy spirit can reach them.
The *inconsistencies* started popping up VERY early on. I used to follow Pagani and the demon slayer crew (Vlad, Isaiah, Mike) quite religiously, and I remember VERY SPECIFICALLY what story Pagani told when it comes to the event that changed his mind about the deliverance ministry. He had allegedly been radically delivered himself, PERSONALLY (which is what he claimed convinced him), in a church meeting, alleging that he felt a crazy rage, that he started manifesting like crazy, and heard a voice telling him to let it keep manifesting & stuff (some details I can't recall). It was a *GRANDIOSE* story where another person came and was propelled in the air by the power of God, allegedly, and gave up a bag of weed after that event. That's what he said on a stream with the demon slayer crew.
And here, NOT A PEEP, but struggling for 10yrs over 2 verses over the Bible...
Also, he said he got saved in 1992, RADICALLY delivered from weed, pornography, etc. But on his channel, he has a testimony within a whole sermon where he said that he was addicted to pornography as a PASTOR.
I'm not going to impune the guy's motives, but there's most definitely inconsistency and dishonesty being evidently showcased here. It's a real shame, but that's not at all on brother Corey.
I noticed the inconsistencies too!! You can tell there is something going on here. I wouldn't want him doing spiritual surgery on me!! It seems like alot of the people going to his church are young immature people who just got saved or they don't know Christ at all. And they just don't even know if what Pagani is saying is true or not and they just follow him blindly.
This guy seems very prideful and the way he talks about "I just cast em out" like he's this tough guy!! He's NOT teaching sound Bible doctrine and he thinks he is! And they ALWAYS say look at the fruit look at the fruit. And then he says he comes against other deliverance ministers and then if they don't listen he BACKS OFF!! And WHY Sir are you going to just back off. Why would you NOT call them out for capitalizing on Our Savior!?? I am sorry I don't understand
I always wondered about the Radically delivered thing... He would have had to have backsliden, and if Radically delivered, I can't even imagine backsliding...
@Dave S. D. I didn't notice inconsistencies, but I do remember hearing him talk about the EXPERIENCE (not Scripture) that changed his mind. In just about every instance I've heard, it's always experiences (not Scripture) that leads people into this doctrine. That's a serious problem that people like Pagani ignore while doing "deliverance" on Christians, when nowhere in the Bible are we taught to do such a thing. So they are left with nothing but experiences, and then they try to mold the Bible around their experiences, which is a form of adding to the word of God, which is very dangerous (Proverbs 30:6).
So something is indeed very wrong...but the blind cannot see, and the blind are leading the blind into a ditch.
You can be delivered from something, but still fall back into that same sin at a later point.
There absolutely were inconsistencies. On a recent video of Isiah being a guest speaker Pagani commented regarding someone asking about David Diga Hernandez(Encounter TV). This was Pagani’s words and I quote “nope! Encounter TV has strayed away from deliverance! I would encourage no one to watch that channel!”
So wait.. just because David stepped away from hyper focusing on deliverance ministry how they do it, he is telling others he’s strayed? Like he’s strayed away from the word of God?
Why say something like that when David said in a recent video back to the basics. It’s about the simple gospel. He’s pointing people to Jesus, but here Pagani is against him encouraging people not to watch him. So is he not a brother? Here he is though, Corey addressing him as a brother. Corey addressing him cordially, in respect. Even though Corey said he still believes what he does, and Alex believes what he does at the end of the video.
So even with this example, why would you tell people not to watch Encounter TV? How is Corey any different from Diga, since he said still believes what he does. Isn’t this double standards and hypocrisy?
If I’m completely wrong, can someone correct me? I’m not above correction as some of these folks act like.
God bless everyone, and Jesus is enough!
Great job Brother Corey.
Amen Goes without saying we need each other, One - Body - Mind - Spirit following the Spirit of Christ and The Word of God! Working out our own Salvation in co-operation with The Greater One Inside! Who's Grace Is All Sufficient!
The Great I Am! The Great Deliverer of All!
We do not nope work in co-operation with the Holy Spirit for our salvation that is not doctrine.
Please keep delivering it real, especially for those whole heartedly searching for truth cause many of these religious leaders out here is totally wack!
God bless you Corey. For everyone reading this. If you have surrendered your life to the Lord & are born again Please read & study the Word of God & obey the Lord. Then when you hear & see people doing things that are inconsistent with the Word, it will stick out to you so much that you won’t be deceived. Know the word so much that you don’t allow your feelings & emotions to dictate who God is, your feelings & emotions can deceive you. But God’s word does not. God bless you.
Salvation, not prison, but i knew insistently i was saved, never look back to go back, but to thank 🙏 Him from where He brought me from. Glory to God
There is so much I want to say about this topic and dialogue between Corey and Pastor Pagani.
Where’s the link to get the shirt Corey??
Need one please and thank you!🙂
This conversation was wholesome and needed. God bless the BODY OF CHRIST!!! Also, let's go EAGLES!!!
Brother Corey had so much patience and love
I am so sad for brother Pagani…
I always love how grounded and centered you are when you are faced with emotionally over the top guest usually charismatic types. You never lose your focus or biblical position even when your guest get hyped. Great job!
Umm that is AP personality… yep count it against him. Wow
S Don I get that. I dont know him very well. If you say so I believe. Not counting anything against him personally. What I am speaking to that I see often is the use of emotion and hype to distract from a tenuous argument or position. It is Corey's manner and the likes that often keep an otherwise sensible and mature discussion from devolving into a prideful egotiscal defensive argument. And we can stay focused and possibly learn something.
@@547warrior I understand your viewpoint. Let me say this, I have in observed in Minor’s (not recent and months ago) past show display arrogance and that he is the “only one right “ interpretation of the scriptures. I prayed about why I felt this way. Now I have observed on his last couple of shows that he has shown humility and stand firm on what he believes. I actually think when he had Darryl Arnez on the show affected him in a positive way. I’m not an avid listener of AP but from what I have seen he is not argumentative, preach Christ, and yes he is energetic. Corey is calm and direct. Thats who God called him to be and that appeals to a lot of people. It saddens me when people go off their opinion decide who’s “false”. Honestly, I thought that about Corey when I thought he showed pride. Holy Spirit let me know he has a heart for him. Listen to the Holy Spirit instead of what “we” feel. Blessings
@@sdonald83 that was my issue too which was off putting. I probably haven't seen the middle videos which has seen what you and I are seeing which is a Corey still holding his position (nothing wrong with that) but a more measured, humble approach. He does have a heart for the Lord and desires to see truth being represented. AP had an amazing approach here and when he called Corey out on some issues I was so moved by what AP said but more so how Corey received that. It truly blessed me. Trust me!
Those who are against OSAS doctrine are not at all saved to begin with and that is why they will have issue with Corey
OSAS
I like it when the mature speak. Thank you for this Corey. You show how you should disagree in a Godly fashion
Yeah, you're absolutely right because it helps a lot with the younger people who watch both them to have good, Godly centered discussions that are beneficial and become more Christ like.
Both of you had interesting viewpoints and I learned from both of you. From the comments, you can tell who half heartedly watched the video. Both men had subscribers come to the chats with their minds made up and constantly taking both parties out of context. Listening is crucial. For example, Pagani said multiple times in this live and on his channel that Christians cannot be demon possessed but yet y’all continually kept calling him a heretic in the comments because of something he clearly said he does not believe in. As the church we have to learn to listen. Corey doesn’t necessarily agree with his ministry but he learned to listen. You’ll be surprised what you learn when you come to into a conversation with humility versus defensiveness, especially over someone you barely know. Ears already plugged from the beginning and not trying to understand anyone’s point of view. The comment section reflected that and while it wasn’t surprising, it was disappointing to see.
It’s unfortunate, but many believers do this because they are fearful or prideful. I can attest that Jesus is the prince of peace and submitting to him produces patience, understanding, and love
Pastor Pagani your wife is 💯 it’s your content that you put on social media that leads people that you preach salvation through deliverance and not Jesus- I’ve gained a better understanding and appreciation for you inspite of some doctrinal issues- may God continue to bless you
Thank you Pastor Pagani your many words of wisdom from the Father. For Pastor Minor…”there’s power in the name of Jesus”. I truly believe that anyone who calls on the name of Jesus will have some kind of experience with Him just bc they called on His name. God’s sovereignty allows Him to respond to one whether or not they have a relationship with Him. God has “mercy” on whom he chooses. Love your show Pastor Corey.
Romans 1:16 says For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
People are saved when the Gospel is preached, and they are convicted of their sin, not when someone "casts a demon out of you" the power and authority have been given to Christ (Matthew 28:18) and so we have none.
I can’t find the Alph Lukau video
This was so refreshing to see!
Getting saved is one thing, but you have to put time and mental focus and intent into the relationship. If your not in The Word daily, in prayer daily, in ALL THINGS consulting God you can very easily get influenced by demons. Demons exist. Satan exists. I think people needing the extreme deliverance also probably were not putting in the effort to the relationship with God.
If Pastor Pagani brings relief and a reset to people who fell astray. Do it. But immediately give thanks, and get back on track,
Every vice out there is from Satan. So if you can view it as what it was intended for which is to destroy then it’s much easier to stay away from.
I personally am unsure about the deliverance ministry as a whole, but I also am not from that.
I pray that these Pastors protect themselves dealing with that realm which I don’t understand being human.
It’s definitely a gift.
This was a GREAT conversation
Compassion moved him to a secondary topic. That stood out to me. It's not that the primary did not work. It was Compassion for the straying fold the ones who have not completely depended on Jesus. Also I see that there is a division there. It was a conversation on two different understanding. Corey believes once saved im sure Pagani does. But we are hindered sometimes by worldly thing or motives that we do not let go till it has taken ahold that does not mean Jesus isn't with us it means we have forfeited worldy things. We are saints that sometimes sin and when we hold on to a specific sin it can do a mental gymnastic to our mind. So let the mind of christ be in you. You are saved, you are a Saint a royal priesthood washed and sanctified by the blood of Jesus. Deliverance is what Corey believes and knows Jesus to have done. And deliverance Pagani believes God is still doing. Am I wrong?
Its sounds like he did some studying up on reformed lingo before he came on. The way he's talking now, if I listened to his other sermons, videos, or interviews, would I hear the same things?
I like how Cory question the brother and he is clam. Cory listen to the brother side of the brother doctrine will preach and look into the scriptures good job Cory keep up the work
Bravo Pastor Corey, very sharp Question: why is the spirit of God not enough for a believer when a phrase"in Jesus name" is ? this is the heart of the issue, it has to be the issue of the heart. I am ok with casting demons out of someone in a context of salvation according to the scriptures: of a unbeliever while the full message of the Gosple is clearly preached. we don't cast out stuff for fun, it is a deadly serious topic, you can have the demons out and still go to hell if you die in your sins.
Not trying to demean Pagani but... after reading Mark 9, he was way off. It doesn't say that it took an hour for the child (this is the only demon possession shown in this chapter) to be delivered. The reason the apostles couldn't deliver the demon is because, according to Jesus, they didn't have enough faith.
Jesus literally said, “You deaf and mute spirit. I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.” and the demon left instantly. And Jesus proceeds to say that this kind of demon ONLY COMES OUT BY PRAYER.
The best way to prove deliverance ministry is by experience. Some people believe by faith, but others have to experience it first hand. Once someone prays for you or a loved one and a demon manifest, you automatically become a believer. I've gone through deliverance many times as well as cast out demons. I understand it's new to a lot people but it's been around since the Bible. These signs shall follow those who believe. God bless.
Bro Corey, obviously neither i nor any of your other viewers were privy to the private pre-interview conversation you two had, but i did wonder why you never asked him about the *rank* eisegesis by which he encouraged those he was teaching in at least one recorded instance to become spiritual "zoologists." This is at least one highly extra-Biblical practice that his deliverance ministry has rightly earned some shade for. I was working during the Live, or i might have asked him in the chat.
It was very pleasant, encouraging, and instructive to see you two chop it up and disagree honorably while still firmly affirming the essentials of our faith, and stating fervently and clearly enough (in a short time) each of your soteriologies. The fact that Pagani went out of his way to clarify his statement on osas was noteworthy, considering it was to an audience that was probably more comfortable with what he seemed to affirm before his clarification. He also showed his seminary credentials clearly enough that they could be screenshotted or people could go investigate for themselves the legitimacy of where he was educated (Steve Kozar, for one, has demonstrated how to do this well).
At the same time, another commenter mentioned inconsistencies between origin stories he told here and those he told in other recorded instances regarding his own conversion experience and his entrance into deliverance ministry. If what this commenter is saying is true (which is reasonably easy to investigate, provided said videos are still available), i would say this is highly suspect. There have been several other teachers with very bad doctrine that have shown this same inconsistency when retelling their come-up. Also, his explanation of how little of a friendship he had with MR...frankly, sounded like he was encouraging him to clean up his verbiage and sound more Biblical so that he wouldn't have such a hard time passing people's theological smell tests. To say it another way, from his own explanation, it sounded more like PR advice than truth pursuit.
Still and all, how he *presented* himself was very straightforward. Cross-examination of his statements might still be worthwhile...but at the end of the day you still had this conversation with him in a much more manly way than i know how to. I pray that God would give me courage to Love people (Brothers or otherwise) more directly - whether it's comfortable or not - and to stand up for the Truth to the point of insult or injury when necessary.
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Is it possible for a believer to demon possessed?
Bible is clear a believer cannot have demon
Only empty heart or a person without Holy Spirit can be possessed by demons
If a person does not have Holy Spirit he is not saved to begin with
Holy Spirit can be only attained by faith alone in the finished work of Christ
It’s not received by human works of waiting and fasting
Once a believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, he is sealed until the day of redemption Which means Holy Spirit does not leave a believer no matter whatsoever
And bible is clear Baal and Christ cannot co-exist under the same roof
@@nonamecanada5437Exactly all the nice smooth brother brother talk is ok but when it comes to teaching God’s people about his word we can’t be lying or adding to scripture. The Bible is clear saying that the SPIRIT IN YOU Cannot SIN. That is saying the Holy Spirit is residing in us believers working that new man OUTWARDLY from the heart. It’s no way a demon can dwell in the same temple as God. Some stuff is common sense. Giving place to the Devil and being POSSESSED is not the same thing!
The integrity on display in this video shows these brothers in Christ are being led by the Holy Spirit.
I watching this, I became more interested in HOW they relate to one other than who is right and who is wrong.
I hope we all can learn from this.
Soli Deo Gloria! 😃
Praise the Lord
Pagani is way off .
@@completoencristo be that as it may, how does that add value to my comment above?
@@Konarali it doesn’t but I’m saying he’s way off though.
@@completoencristo fair enough I see your point.
Much thanks! I’m really trying to understand the movement at a distance. For two reasons,
1. Pagani came to our sister church in Alaska and they ended up having a divisive split afterwards, it was messy.
2. The pastor who invited him, labeled myself as demonized when quite frankly I don’t think I am as a believing Christian.
I want to see where they are coming from and why it is they interpret scripture in the way they do.
Also, It seems kind of lopsided to me.
At one end, Pagani and Saldiver say something like, “If you oppose Deliverance ministry that means you oppose Christ.“
And frame other Christian’s as the “bad guy” for expressing caution.
Then they go on shows that are critical, in a spirit of love, and (with a smile on their face) say, “We’re just brothers who disagree!”
It seems kinda inconsistent. If Critical/ Cautious Christians are indeed Brothers… then why did you condemn them on your CZcams Channels? If they are in opposition to Christ, where is your boldness to rebuke and stand firm against those criticisms.
From the side it seems like they aren’t living what they preach and they aren’t practicing how they truly think of other Christians.
The same goes for the other side of the fence! Where is the rebuke of unscriptural understandings, I hear it all the time, “My experience with the demonic trumps scripture.” Now they won’t blatantly say that, but in passing, and in practice, this is what the movement has a habit of doing. This is why they depend on varying methodologies to their deliverances, because what is clearly written as a guide isn’t sufficient.
Seems off: Either there is a healthy medium that we aren’t being open about in our interpretation of Reality. OR these polarized extremes aren’t as distant as they frame themselves in their Channels.
Great commentary
Why would they be taking scriptures out of newer Bibles?
People come to Christ in prison, through overdoses, through car wrecks, etc… He can and does work everywhere.
Help me understand the deliverance ministry delivering "Christians" from demons. Jesus cast out the unclean spirits:
Without question Jesus was casting out the unclean spirits but He was not casting these spirits from Christians. Why do I say this because there were no Christians during Jesus' ministry.
So please if you can show me where the the Lord's apostles delivered any Christian believer from unclean spirits in the Bible.
There is none because Christians can't not be possessed by demons. This Pagani is a charlatan.
These signs shall follow them that believe.
THANK YOU! 💯
So why did Pagani block Corey? Can anyone answer my question?
Because of Truth Corey was right!!
@@7thheaventruth Thank you Mario.
I wish u guys would of went in detail on this topic. Too many assumptions on demons by Pagini
@smart christian channel. This was an overall good discussion, but I would have liked to see you (brother Corey) hold Pagani more accountable in how he eisegeted (read into) Scripture. He made reference to Ephesians 4:27, which has nothing to do with demons possibly entering Christians, and also twisted James 4:7 but you did not correct his distortion. The text does NOT say that if we do not resist the devil that he will not flee and then we will be entered into by the devil or demons, but that's what Pagani argued.
Please do not let people get away with distorting Scripture on your show. At the very least, you should challenge their claims and move on. But for you to allow the distortions gives the false impression that you agree with them.
There were some things that I would have liked to probe more, but since we had an agreement about what we would talk about, I could not
@@smartchristians I guess I can understand that if you had a prior agreement, but at the same time, I probably would have told him that we can't do this if we can't be honest with the text of Scripture, or if I could not attempt to correct what I perceived as a distortion of Scripture during discussion.
It's vitally important during discussions of Scripture that we present Scripture correctly before people.
@@CRoadwarrior if you check James 4:8 it says :
8Come close to God, and God will come close to you. Wash your hands, you sinners; purify your hearts, for your loyalty is divided between God and the world
Did you notice James is calling that particular audience “sinner”
So do you think that set of people who are in James 4:7 are believers ?
Something to chew
@@CRoadwarrior Is it possible for a believer to be demon possessed?
Bible is clear a believer CANNOT have demon
Only empty heart or a person without Holy Spirit can be possessed by demons
If a person does not have Holy Spirit he is not saved to begin with
Holy Spirit can be only attained by faith alone in the finished work of Christ
It’s not received by human works of waiting and fasting
Once a believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, he is sealed until the day of redemption Which means Holy Spirit does not leave a believer no matter whatsoever
And bible is clear Baal and Christ cannot co-exist under the same roof
@@nonamejustbecause5130 I don't think that's what he was saying, but sometimes we don't need to challenge the false teachers/ing, they themselves by their own lips, will show their error. Sometimes it's best to just let them wax lyrical and dig their own grave. Those who have ears to hear, will and those who's hearts are hard will only be reached by the Holy Spirit. It is encouraging to read the comments and see the discernment and soft hearts, the humility and understanding. But also having these conversations pushes us all to read the Bible more and seek out sound doctrine for ourselves. So praise God for that!
Can you please debate Greg Locke?
Faith alone in the blood. Is how we are saved.🙌🏾🩸✝️
Corey,
I'm here in defense of Isaiah Saldivar. He is truly a man of God. His ministry is deliverance. Jesus and the disciples, delivered ppl from demonic forces. His ministry delivers ppl biblically. I am one of them. There have been many others, that have a better life, since knowing of him. His ministry frees ppl from these sinful actions. Demons are real and ppl are being tormented by them. God's plan is for us to be free, of demonic forces. That's what deliverance is about. I am glad to see that ur eyes are now opened, and you are a wiser man. I enjoy ur program.
Ummm as a baby Christian I was almost decieved. I don't remember him talking about the gospel ever.
Question? "A Christian could potentially have a demon in an area that is unsubmitted to the Holy Spirit." WHAT??? What about our body is a temple for the Holy Spirit! My WHOLE body is for the Holy Spirit of God, not some. You had Awesome Patience Brother Corey!
Because his argument is that the demons dwell, or take root in the area of the MIND.
The Holy Spirit God's Spirit doesn't share! Mind including! I will not compromise the Lord's Truth & neither should any True Christian! God Bless!
This was incredible! So respectful. This is what I always thought public Christian disagreement should be.
This was so good, i started watching from 03h45 in Johannesburg, South Africa and thank God for brother Corey, this was a good conversation.
I truly enjoyed this conversation it really opened up a Lotta errors in my life and some of the situation I am going through to God be the glory
Isaiah is on 🔥 FIRE! Talk to him about OSAS
Unfortunately, Pagani has to provide scriptural evidence and support for the idea of Christian’s having or possess a demon…. If his testimony is simply from hearing a voice and seeing visions, then that is no different from all other false cults in how they started…. Experience is not a solid foundation to proving something is from G-d.. that is where most false start from…. Hearing and visions that is fall
Question if the sinners prayer is not in the Bible, why do all the Preacers say it? Can a person be saved, not saying the sinners prayer?
@@Warriorsoul300 👍😀
@@Warriorsoul300 Is it possible for a believer to be demon possessed?
Bible is clear a believer cannot have demon
Only empty heart or a person without Holy Spirit can be possessed by demons
If a person does not have Holy Spirit he is not saved to begin with
Holy Spirit can be only attained by faith alone in the finished work of Christ
It’s not received by human works of waiting and fasting
Once a believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, he is sealed until the day of redemption Which means Holy Spirit does not leave a believer no matter whatsoever
And bible is clear Baal and Christ cannot co-exist under the same roof
I really think I came to a healthy respect for Pagani here. I do truly consider him a Brother in Christ. I do still disagree that believers can be possessed, or rather possess a demon as he puts it. But I strongly believe in demonic oppression. The devil is real and active out here. There are a lot of christians out here deeply struggling due to demonic oppression and influence. There definitely needs to be some deliverance in that sense.
I have watched a number of Corey's videos. Disagreed with a lot. I am on the side of Pagani in terms of beliefs. With that said this is THE BEST video I have seen period. My heart smiled and this video entirely glorified the Lord. Corey, that was supremely humble of you to admit you were wrong re the other pastor. This was AMAZING!! Well done BROTHERS!!
Side note: Some of your videos I viewed as harsh and arrogant to some extent and I was gonna unsubscribe. I am glad I did not.
Bro you need to start reading the bible through hermeneutics which is interpreting scripture through other scriptures,and the original language,and who the writer is speaking to,and the culture of that time.Here are some great biblical teachers that teach through hermeneutics.John MacArthur JAMES WHITE Voddie Bachum Steve Lawson Paul Washer JEFF Durbin Alistair Begg.
@@sonnylockington5728 first off thank you for your suggestions but no thanks. You are trying to order me to follow the list you have outlined. The same MacArtuur who "rightly divided" the word with Hermeneutics and told the man's wife to do what?? Listen man, do what Brother Corey did and just love and move right along. You are not budging and neither am I. They disagreed in Acts and it continues today. Washer, Voddie I'm aware of. They make solid points but I don't agree with all they say.
Corey, I have to give you an update I think would be of interest to you. Chris Rosebrough of Fighting 4 the Faith Channel, Pirate Christian Radio, hosts a fun monthly game called 'prophesy bingo'! It sheds light on various youtubers who consistently post crazy 'prophetic' content. Your friend, Alexander Pagani made the show with his heretical ramblings. If you've never watched the show, maybe you should. There are some very interesting regular perpetrators of false doctrine in the game. Pagani may become one of them. The newest installment for Jan 2023 was particularly humorous.
All deliverence ministries are a different Gospel. God Bless you Cory. Im with u all the wajy
How is this? Deliverance is a sign of a believer according to Jesus? Jesus himself conducted deliverances, many of his miracles were deliverances.
”And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues;“
Mark 16:15-17 ESV
I saw a video where they casted out a “demon of finance”… 🤦♂️ 🤔Really?
Proverbs 18:17 - The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
It’s IMPOSSIBLE for Christians to have demons because the Spirit of God dwells in us. We can be oppressed but NEVER possessed! The Spirit of God and the devil cannot dwell in the same temple. This Pagani guy reminds me of Marcus Rogers. Smh 🤦🏽♀️
When you hear and see signs telling you this or that it is a great example of the enemy of our Lord.
Pagani is wrong doctrinally but you treated him like a brother should.
According to what you think, take note from Corey Minor (great example) you agree to disagree.
I have had the Holy Spirit cast the spirit of sorcery out of me. The Holy Spirit himself used my mouth to speak and say Christians not being able to have a demonic spirit is alive from the pit of hell.
Dides last name is Pagan-I?
Something I noticed right away, Corey was quick to say and call him a brother. I could be wrong but I don't recall Pagani returning the same respect. Did Pagani at any point call Corey a brother?
Please check out brother Kevin Ewing from the Bahamas. Also, Dr. Rebecca Brown. I admire both of you, but there is some critical information missing on both sides.
Kevin Ewing's methods of prayer (going after evil spiritual altars in my spirit/soul) helped me get delivered from alcohol after many, many years of trying on my own. Recently just reached five years of complete sobriety to the glory of God.
2019 through 2021, almost a certified forerunner for the Supernatural Life. Come spring of 2021 through spring of 2022, joined Deliverance ministries; Isaiah Saldivar, and then Demon Torture Ministry.
And then the… “aha” moment, were God pulled from. Not man but God! And that “aha” moment was Matthew 3:7-12.
Since spring of 2022, rightly dividing the Word of God. I thank God to this day for that “aha” moment, I ventured into a direction, I never saw coming.
Romans 8:38-39 - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, (shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord).
Corey you are smart. I too believe that you allowed Pagani to reveal all that he believes. This was smart of you not to argue. Lying wonders will deceive many.
@saintsean peace to you.
“Can two walk together, except they be agreed?”
Amos 3:3 KJV
“even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,”
2 Thessalonians 2:9 KJV
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”
Matthew 7:15-16 KJV
“He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.”
1 Thessalonians 4:8 KJV
“Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.”
Matthew 7:17
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"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”
2 Corinthians 6:14 KJV
“Abstain from all appearance of evil.”
1 Thessalonians 5:22 KJV
@@wonderfullymade4009 yes Paul is telling the Corinthians church to abstain from pagan BAAL worship which already started in church
And chapter 7:1 he is encouraging the true believers to come out of those pagan believers who where yoke with demons ( gibberish tongues speakers)
Not everyone is a Christian though. This is why we have to be very careful. ❤️🧡💛
I thought the angels that sinned were in chains til judgement? How they still running around? N how many Israelites came out of Egypt demon possessed??? This demon convo needs to start in the Old Testament before we try to make sense of them in the New Testament
Who was he calling a witch doctor?
Respect to bro Pagani! bro is a great and persuasive communicator. He seems to really believe what he teaches/preaches. Yet Corey's foundation is more sure and has stood for nearly 2000 years. The word of God is the authority as opposed to experience or what we think might be. Paul didn't tell the Corinthians who were suffering from pride, divisions, sexual immorality they had demons that needed to be cast out. To make this conclusion is absolutely extra-biblical and no matter how persuasive it may sound we need to be grounded on the word. Paul taught Timothy to teach and preach the doctrine of Christ and to teach it to other men (2nd Tim 2:2). Nothing about deliverance. Would be sad if we needed that understanding and never got it from scripture.
Corey I watched one video of this guy on Saldivars channel and he was hollering when he was explaining demons and spiritual spouses. I couldn't get with his ministry or Saldivars. Coming from churches like his and pastors saying every single thing was a demon or some type of spirit had me very fearful for a long time until I came to the truth. Now brother Corey can you please check this man Kevin LA Ewing out for me please? I is to follow him also until coming across channels like yours. He teaches on different types of spirits, spiritual spouses, witchcraft, generation curses that follow believers and so much more. I'm trying to see something. 👀 btw great job and I love your patience and your channel. ❤
Yes! I use to watch Kevin too and no one talk about his horrible teaching of bondage, cus that’s what it is!
@@ruth6407 now I did learn about tithing from him but he made 4 videos about it which was a lot. After I started listening to channels like this and really reading like what the heck. I have seem the video you're talking about though. Glad you stopped watching him to.
@@monicaspencer199 yea his tithing teaching was great I agree. But your right when you really start to get in the Word you see how deceptive his teaching is and how the scriptures are twisted. I was being tormented spiritually, by listening to him and praying what he said to pray. He would teach speaking to demons like that’s normal. The worst false teachers are those who appear to be humble. Thank you Jesus for pulling you out as well. Blessing sister 😊
@@ruth6407 yes even my children were seeing things and I was praying those long prayers. When I stopped following him then all of the foolishness did to
@@monicaspencer199 yes same!
Born again Believers Can't Be Possess By Demons Only influenced or Oppressed By Them Outwardly or in Our minds.
A good friend of mine goes to Pagani's church. He eats, sleeps and breathes Pagani and Salvadar's teachings. I've known my friend for years, and ALL he talks about is deliverance. He even believes there are never ending layers to deliverance in a Christians life. I don't see that in scripture.
Yeah I don't believe everything Pagani is saying. He's not being honest about it. It's like just say it, you do deliverance and you teach it too!! Mostly everything is attributed to a demon. Just say it!! He said he has done over 1,000 deliverance...Well thats ALOT!! And he admits that there is people who chase deliverance and hyper deliverance churches.. Well he is one of them. Sorry!! But when he along with a few others made a video refuting Allen Parrs video regarding deliverance, their words basically said it all. They showed where they are with deliverance. And is he sure that was God who told him to look into deliverance?? And 10 yrs is a long time to wrestle with if deliverance is wrong or right!?? It looks like he got hooked, hook line and sinker.
@@jenn5773 I agree 1,000 percent. Like I said, my good friend is Pagani's disciple. And there are so many extra Biblical teachings about deliverance my friend believes.
@@jssr4550 OH man!! I'm sorry, that is so hard. There is definitely a complex going on there. I think the main root is pride. That's good that you are your friends friend, you can pray for them. God bless you!
Is it possible for a believer to be demon possessed?
Bible is clear a believer cannot have demon
Only empty heart or a person without Holy Spirit can be possessed by demons
If a person does not have Holy Spirit he is not saved to begin with
Holy Spirit can be only attained by faith alone in the finished work of Christ
It’s not received by human works of waiting and fasting
Once a believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit, he is sealed until the day of redemption Which means Holy Spirit does not leave a believer no matter whatsoever
And bible is clear Baal and Christ cannot co-exist under the same roof
I am trying to say
In Christ a believer is complete
He lack nothing for the rapture
I am as ready to be rapture or death
And a believer can challenge the death
“Ohh death where is your sting”
Because a believer has the clothing of Christ righteousness which can be only attained by faith alone and not by works
🔥Luke 11:14,24-26🔥
14 And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered.
24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
if a temple of God still needs something other than the power of the Holy spirit (holiness at the consciense level) to overcome a sin, what is the point of the Holy spirit. I thought that was why He came, otherwise ""What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death??"". Hopefully we who knew God would agree with Paul"" Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!","If God is for us,(BP) who can be against us?. Those who are blaming demons for their sins just need to repent and hear the real Gosple. If you were trully born again, God grace is sufficient for you no matter what the sin is. stop following Adam and Eve for shifting blames and repent!
I honestly wanted to see you fight and crush him, but I left glad about the way you handled it
37:41 both of you, if you want to say, both sides, are literally giving examples of a variation of different kinds of deliverance. Both of you are stating deliverance that happened in the Bible.
1. You know if it's a demonic-related hindrance if the Holy Spirit reveals it to be so, whether by prayer, discernment, a word of knowledge, or otherwise.
2. What does it matter, if, by prayer, renewal of the mind, and good, sensible or Biblical habits someone is set free from sin, oppression, or possession, or whether they are free through the equally Scriptural method of spiritual deliverance (i.e., casting out of demons)? Regardless, it is the same Holy Spirit Who does both. For some: instant healings are given; and to others, a more gradual healing process--but it is the resurrection power of Christ all the same, or at the natural level, our Creator's design of the human body (for those who would argue against supernatural healings). Did not God enable the healing all the same?
3. Even a believer who does not have the baptism of the Holy Spirit can cast out demons. It is for those who believe in the Name above all names--yes, the authority of Christ--who have power to do such. So in neither case is it accomplished by a believer who is baptized by the Holy Spirit or a believer who is born again--it is by the authority of Christ, all the same. (Whether by mention of His Name or as a believer exercising faith in the power accorded to them by faith in that name as a believer).
4. And I have more to say on the matter--and I understand the proclivity for some to deny the power of the Holy Spirit to do miracles through Christ's Body on earth today--but if we can receive forgiveness of sins and a reborn spirit (salvation) today... how hard is it for God to effect the same miracles today, even the resurrection of the dead, the healing of the sick, or the casting out of evil spirits? It seems to me that both salvation and the other miracles are just as valid today, as when the church was initially established. And I do not see anywhere in Scripture where that capability was invalidated or only enjoyed by the first generation of believers. 5. Brother Corey, I really like and appreciate your channel. It took a measure of humility to cast off arrogance and apologize for heavy-handedness after calling another Christian brother a witchdoctor--and for casting out of demons, at that. Reminds me of when Jesus was essentially accused of the same. This is part of the function of the Body of Christ: to be accountable to and submit ourselves one to another in Christ, to bear one another's burdens, and to be doers of the Word, and not just hearers. Be blessed in Him in the knowledge of and power of His resurrection!
As a Christian we don’t get the devil out we resist him and he will flee. On top of those that are Gods children the evil one doesn’t touch us. A Christian cannot have a demon. It’s your flesh that you need to put into submission. Jesus gave us the ability to overcome our desires and sinful nature.
There are a lot of people who have done videos on the Falasy of Saldavar, not only Corey. Not saying he is False, just saying Corey is not the only one.
Saldivar posted shorts about people coming back from Hell. The story of the rich man and Lazarus seems to contradict this idea.
Let’s get ready to rumble!!! Lol look like a boxing match
If casting out demons is still going on then also raising the dead should be happening but I believe when you believe in Jesus Christ then only then will you be delivered from inward demons...
He is different with bagani. But Chris he didn't feel comfortable as much. 😊
The holy Spirit is the one with the authority who delivers people from there devils or devil the person is just the vessel
I love respectful dialogue
I appreciate what you did during this conversation brother Corey, but Mr Pagani, when pressed reverted to a default position of “we are saying the same things just said differently”. He stated that he doesn’t make it a practice to know the types of demons he is casting out,then said he does it sometimes and then has a video stating that God has called us to be spiritual zoologist:
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Classification being the operative word. If he isn’t as focused on the deliverance side, then why make it into a science?
I asked a question that was relevant that wasn’t touched upon; how can someone teach someone else to speak in tongues? I feel that that was a fair question seeing as that is one thing that Pagani teaches.
Exactly brother, I haven't gotten through the entire stream yet, but the *inconsistencies* started popping up VERY early on. I used to follow Pagani and the demon slayer crew quite religiously, and I remember VERY SPECIFICALLY what story Pagani told when it comes to the event that changed his mind about the deliverance ministry. He had allegedly been radically delivered himself in a church meeting, alleging that he felt a crazy rage, that he started manifesting like crazy, and heard a voice telling him to let it keep manifesting & stuff. It was a GRANDIOSE story where another person came and was propelled in the air by the power of God, allegedly, and gave up a bag of weed after that event. That's what he said on a stream with the demon slayer crew.
And here, NOT A PEEP, but struggling for 10yrs over 2 verses over the Bible.
Also, he said he got saved in 1992, RADICALLY delivered from weed, pornography, etc. But on his channel, he has a testimony within a whole sermon where he said that he was addicted to pornography as a PASTOR.
And I'm only 57mins in...
I'm not going to impune the guy's motives, but there's most definitely inconsistency and dishonesty being evidently showcased here. It's a real shame.
I've listened to a lot of Pagani, and he's well-versed enough in the Scripture to win over those who do not study the Scriptures and are not theologically-grounded.
On Isaiah, having followed him a lot as well before, one thing I can say for sure is that he seems very sincere, he's very consistent as well, his theology is objectively off, but he's sincere.
Pagani man, I don't want to outright say that he's intentionally deceiving people, but his words and actions do seem to heavily point towards that conclusion if you scrutinize him minutely.
@@daves.d.6326 pagani I as clearly bothered by the chat and took to calling those who disagreed “immature Christian’s”. That makes the same tactic Marcus Rogers does when you criticize his exegesis; “the Pharisees are coming” or “gummy bear Christians.” It’s a passive aggressive way of dismissing anyone who may have a valid qualm with his mishandling of scripture.
If I recall I had your question in the "Que" with about 15 other questions, but we just couldn't get to all of them. Forgive me my brother.
@@smartchristians it’s all good brother Corey, I understand and I don’t mean to come off as being entitled or selfish, but it really just irks me how, yes although he maybe a brother in Christ because he acknowledges core tenants and teachings of Christianity, he evaded some questions that I know he would have had a hard time answering because there is clearly one answer that can explain his motives.there are things that are off about him, “freely I have received and freely I give, but I had to pay for my education”, so he charges to teach deliverance and speak in tongues? He stated that pastors should be teaching this in the churches and if they did, clearly it would be frowned upon if they put a price tag on it,…so at this point it just sounds like supply and demand.
Salt and pepper well season, brothers, Great stuff focused.
DELIVERANCE I$ A BIG BUSINE$$. IF PAGANI$ SCHOOLING WASN'T FREE THEN WOULDN'T HE JUST MAKE ENOUGH TO REPLACE THAT MONEY HE USED??? SO WHY MAKE MORE EXTRA MONEY??? 😅😂🤣 SOUNDS GOOD THOUGH SPIRITUAL HUSTLERS THE SIGNS AND WONDERS MOVEMENT IS A BIG BUSINESS/INDUSTRY...
I was only able to watch a little bit. I don’t know how he doesn’t have a headache he talked nonstop for about 10 mins. When do you silence yourself for the sake of hearing from the Holy Spirit? Mr. Pagani doesn’t appear to be doctrinally sound. Some good points. Repeatedly saying that Corey name called and that they just don’t agree is odd. No, your argument is not biblical; it’s not even a matter of disagreement. Calling someone a witch doctor because they are essentially using witch doctor practices seems like a good judge of character. Peace within the body of Christ is a blessing but rightfully dividing the word is a necessity. It was nice to see Corey apologize where he felt he should. I don’t think Corey is harsh by making his statements about the others. He’s assessing what he sees. I think it important to be sound & clear. God Bless you all.
Jesus said there's not a man that can do a work in my name and be against me, at the name. Of Jesus. God can deliver you all by him self, with out a person.
Why is NOT the Holy Spirit enough? Does He need my help? Blasphemy...another Gospel
Do not remove this video Alex’s teachings are completely wrong in so many ways. There’s videos that are factual, discrediting biblically his teachings on CZcams as a false teacher.
i went to Deliverance services and got worse. Christ delivered me on the cross. It's a process. I think God used him to help other prisoners, but he is a little proud don't ya think?