Fantasy Fight: Sugar Ray Robinson vs Sugar Ray Leonard

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  • The ultimate Welterweight showdown! Who would win in this fantasy match-up between 2 of the greatest fighters in boxing history?
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    Sugar Ray Robinson - Was an American professional boxer who competed from 1940 to 1965. He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1990. He is often regarded as the greatest boxer of all time, pound-for-pound. He turned professional in 1940 at the age of 19 and by 1951 had a professional record of 129-1-2 with 85 knockouts. From 1943 to 1951 Robinson went on a 91-fight unbeaten streak, the third-longest in professional boxing history.
    Sugar Ray Leonard - Is an American former professional boxer, motivational speaker, and occasional actor. Often regarded as one of the greatest boxers of all time, he competed professionally between 1977 and 1997, winning world titles in five weight classes; the lineal championship in three weight classes; as well as the undisputed welterweight championship. Leonard also won a light welterweight gold medal at the 1976 Summer Olympics.
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  • @hanzagod
    @hanzagod  Před rokem +50

    The ultimate Welterweight showdown! Who would win in this fantasy match-up between 2 of the greatest fighters in boxing history? Robinson or Leonard - www.patreon.com/haNZAgod

    • @bossplayermfs5972
      @bossplayermfs5972 Před rokem +2

      SRR wins by TKO in 9 rounds.

    • @lime455
      @lime455 Před rokem +2

      I would say Leonard, but at the same time I usually dont like to compare boxers prior to like Ali in the 60s, like Liston, and Patterson etc. To fighters after, anyone post 60s to now i think is fair game though, cause for me boxing is too different with the old school boxers and the more recent boxers. It's like 2 different sports.

    • @brandonlamb9067
      @brandonlamb9067 Před rokem

      Leonard is a more refined version of Robinson with more technical ability and hands just as fast as the original Sugar Ray but with not as much power. Robinson has a harder punch but Leonard beats him in every other way. Leonard wins 9-6 rounds in a 15 round fight

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +7

      @@brandonlamb9067 The speed I definitely agree with you on but Leonard more skilled and refined? I don't see that at all.

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +10

      @@lime455 You don't think someone like Robinson could compete today? He and 100's of other fighters from the pre 60's era look modern and much better than some modern champions today.

  • @sakutarousama290
    @sakutarousama290 Před rokem +272

    Sugar ray would win easily

  • @ipleathetv6334
    @ipleathetv6334 Před rokem +24

    Leonard looks like has rocks in his hands, bricks at most. Robinson looks like he had cinderblocks.

  • @nachomccloy2489
    @nachomccloy2489 Před rokem +100

    crazy to think most of us will never see/have never seen Robinson fighting in his prime at welterweight since most of the footage is lost.

    • @drinfernodds
      @drinfernodds Před rokem +15

      The footage of him past his prime is already something to behold, Imagine how amazing he looked in his prime.

    • @BoxingFanaticNumero1
      @BoxingFanaticNumero1 Před rokem +1

      what do you mean there is footage of him at his prime

    • @drinfernodds
      @drinfernodds Před rokem +7

      @Mugi Very little at welterweight. Most of the footage is him at middleweight, where he was the best at the time, but not considered to be at his best.

    • @khunpan4426
      @khunpan4426 Před rokem

      He killed a guy in a ring his named was Jimmy Doyle.

    • @drinfernodds
      @drinfernodds Před rokem +1

      @Khun Pan Yeah, unfortunately it happens in boxing. I can't imagine having to live with that sort of thing.

  • @joeyazar5240
    @joeyazar5240 Před rokem +27

    Best boxing channel on CZcams

  • @HatianHurricane
    @HatianHurricane Před rokem +54

    Being that both Ali and Leonard have admitted to molding their styles after Robinson, I would have to give Robinson the slight edge over Leonard, prime for prime.

    • @2stroketyson79
      @2stroketyson79 Před rokem +7

      id have to give the man a bit more than a "slight" edge

    • @HatianHurricane
      @HatianHurricane Před rokem +3

      @@2stroketyson79 I don't disagree.

    • @badsolja1
      @badsolja1 Před rokem +7

      @HatianHurricane
      Robinson was better, stronger more agile and better mobility
      Keep in mind we don’t have the best of Robinson unfortunately
      So we don’t know how much better he was in his prime
      After the accident when he killed one of his opponent Robinson said I never hit my opponents with full power after that
      His hook and overhand was crazy strong for his weight
      He was combination of sugar ray Leonard and hearns…
      unbelievable

    • @JL-bz9hi
      @JL-bz9hi Před rokem +4

      Robinson wasn't a harder puncher than hearns at 147...and leonard was able to walk thru that power time and again to get through the six inch reach advantage which robinson would not have enjoyed....robison had two close decision wins over gavilan at welter and gavilan wasn't at Leonard's level as a puncher nor speed..so bottom line...its a close fight with either man winning imo

    • @HatianHurricane
      @HatianHurricane Před rokem +2

      @@JL-bz9hi That is what I call a comprehensive assessment. Respect.

  • @vince11harris
    @vince11harris Před rokem +34

    I appreciate both of these fighters and what they have done for the sport 💯

  • @melvintate8186
    @melvintate8186 Před rokem +20

    Two of the Greatest love watching both they made boxing look so beautiful with the skills and heart they had, Ray Robinson's record is unbelievable to me he's the Greatest pound for pound and how many fights and knockouts hes had Ray Leonard's victories over the Great ones Benitez, Duran ,Hearns ,Hagler makes him an all time great! Nothing but love and respect for both !!

  • @mmastiff734
    @mmastiff734 Před rokem +29

    Leonard came at a time where the sport was more advanced- partly thanks to Robinson. Put Robinson’s abilities in a time where boxing has advanced more and give him access to the same modern amenities then I’m going with Robinson every time

    • @TainoMantis
      @TainoMantis Před rokem +5

      What are the techniques & skills that exist today that didn't in Robinson's time?

    • @Cj-qk7il
      @Cj-qk7il Před rokem +9

      i assure you that skills have not progressed, if anything they’ve regressed

    • @yvans.
      @yvans. Před rokem +3

      @@Cj-qk7il I think he was talking between Robinson time and Leonard time.
      Basically the early 40’s to the early 80’s
      I think boxing did made improvement between those decades.

    • @Cj-qk7il
      @Cj-qk7il Před rokem +5

      @@yvans. i just tend to disagree, the older guys fought way more and just had a better understanding of timing, distance, etc.

    • @yvans.
      @yvans. Před rokem

      @@Cj-qk7il that’s a valid argument

  • @jpa5038
    @jpa5038 Před rokem +44

    The boxing writers had to invent a new term: pound for pound greatest. So great was Sugar Ray Robinson that the existing language to describe the greatness of a fighter was inadequate when talking about him.
    Sugar Ray Robinson, the only Sugar Ray, by everything and anything he wants.

  • @bossplayermfs5972
    @bossplayermfs5972 Před rokem +5

    Another excellent video Hanzagod 👍🏽.

  • @WinstonNewYork
    @WinstonNewYork Před 3 měsíci +2

    Equally classy, perfect, poetic, intelligent and beautiful inside and out.

  • @abudujana13
    @abudujana13 Před rokem +2

    Thanks for another excellent video!

  • @Craftychai94
    @Craftychai94 Před rokem +2

    Bravo man great stuff as always

  • @guvnor1367
    @guvnor1367 Před rokem +3

    Think you picked a great track to match with this, Great Work haNZAgod!!!

  • @ngodangphuong500
    @ngodangphuong500 Před rokem +4

    Ray Leonard beat Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns and Roberto Duran that's why I picked him.

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +2

      Well he also lost to Duran and got a dubious draw with Hearns which should have been a loss. Many also think Hagler beat him.

  • @AMan-oq2zi
    @AMan-oq2zi Před rokem +14

    "I'd train Sugar Ray Robinson... because he was the best."
    - Roger 'Most People Don't Know Shit About Boxing' Mayweather

  • @JoseDiaz-yl9sh
    @JoseDiaz-yl9sh Před rokem +7

    I really appreciate both. Both were great great boxers. Very hard, to make

  • @yoinkysploinky5723
    @yoinkysploinky5723 Před rokem +12

    This fight would be very interesting and amazing I love both fighters they were truly one of a kind

  • @JL-bz9hi
    @JL-bz9hi Před rokem +5

    This is decision fight in their primes . Neither man is getting ko by the other...too good both. Leonard had speed and imo the best most accurate combo puncher ever...robinson had power on his side. .everything else is even imo.

  • @aloyzinsabdonpacia5774
    @aloyzinsabdonpacia5774 Před rokem +2

    The tagline of this fight for me would be: *Which sugar is sweeter?*

  • @oghennylo3
    @oghennylo3 Před rokem +5

    it depends on who the judges are. If the judges care about shoe shining at the end of the rounds then Leonard might pull out the decision if he fights smart and and is on his bicycle. However I believe Robinson has power to knock Leonard down that could completely change the fight and Robinson was a great counter puncher with power as well as everything else. I believe that Robinson was the greatest and would defeat Leonard more times than he would lose to him on multiple fights.

  • @stevenrintoul2381
    @stevenrintoul2381 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Hard to say. Robinson looks like he hits a bit harder. Leonard is a bit slicker. Speed is on par. Both had great gas tanks along with chins.Either way it should be a close fight.

  • @nautika1
    @nautika1 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Shugar Ray Leonard is like Wasp brutal fast have my respect

  • @kasynaa8014
    @kasynaa8014 Před rokem

    Precioso ❤️🥊

  • @adamevert1618
    @adamevert1618 Před rokem +4

    I gotta go for the new blood...Every generation improves something from the old one by learning from the past and adding something new to the mix!

    • @JeffPenaify
      @JeffPenaify Před rokem +8

      boxing cant really be compared with other sports since it went from being an extremely active and competitive sport to losing its relevance, competition and activity. the greatest fighters and coaches for boxing died and theres no way to replace their vast experience in the sport today

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +10

      That's the case for most sports but Boxing is pretty much the exception to the rule. There are some great fighters today but none greater than Robinson. Do you think Canelo would beat Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon? How about Haney to beat Duran or Henry Armstrong? Just because something is newer doesn't necessarily make it better and that's most certainly been the case in all my years watching this sport.

    • @brocksimmons345
      @brocksimmons345 Před rokem +1

      @@hanzagod That’s true but the fighters back in Robinson’s time weren’t that great technically compared to the fighters of Leonard’s time. Haney could very possibly beat Armstrong

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +1

      @@brocksimmons345 No. I disagree with that completely.

    • @PP-ec6cw
      @PP-ec6cw Před rokem +1

      @@brocksimmons345Haney???? 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

  • @TainoMantis
    @TainoMantis Před rokem +12

    Fantastic!
    Imagine a fight between these monsters. Maybe even better than Burley-Charles 1.
    I think the first 3/4 rounds go to Leonard as his speed and ability to get on the back foot+flexibility... Robinson would have been forced to outbox until he started seeing some defensive holes on the inside. It would have come down to the wire, but Robinson's ability to use active clinches, roll into body attacks, and unleash more dangerous 4-5 punch combinations from the outside than Leonard (especially late) = a close decision win for Robinson.

    • @brandonlamb9067
      @brandonlamb9067 Před rokem +1

      Leonard adjusts to his opponent in a more precise fashion than Robinson does and would never have lost to the fighters that Robinson did. More technical ability, better reflexes, better defensively, better timing, sharper feet, hand speed just as fast as Robinson if not slightly faster. Robinson has power and toughness over Ray and probably better in the clinch but that’s it. Leonard wins a solid points victory

    • @TainoMantis
      @TainoMantis Před rokem +1

      @@brandonlamb9067 Robinson's space control would have eventually nullified Leonard's faster feet. And then Leonard would have had to meet Robinson's superior in fighting (something Leonard was hesitant to do versus a smaller fighter in Duran). Technique and defense was about the same level for both - it's just that Robinson preferred to parry & jab with his outside slip off a more bladed stance vs Leonard's more frontal ability to quickly slip out/in. Both boxed laterally. Leonard was on his toes more often, but Robinson's slides meant he could counter towards the inside easier than Leonard. Robinson's opponents were Sammy Angott, Fritzie Zivic, Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Bernard Docusen, Tommy Bell multiple times...and never lost. Leonard fought Duran, Benitez, Mayweather Sr, and Hearns at 147...losing to Duran.
      And at the higher weight classes, it's no contest. Leonard had a dubious win over an older Hagler and robbed Hearns with a draw. Robinson fought and beat more relentless swarmers and punchers.
      Finally, Leonard HIMSELF rates Robinson ahead.
      "Someone once said there was a comparison between SRL and SRR. Believe me, there's no comparison. Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest".

    • @combatsportlover6919
      @combatsportlover6919 Před rokem

      @@brandonlamb9067 The only fighter to really beat Robinson in his prime at Welterweight was Jake Lamotta. The only fighter to beat Leonard in his prime at Welterweight is Roberto Duran. Duran began his career as a Super Bantam/Featherweight who became a dominant 135 pound champ.
      Jake Lamotta once fought at Cruiserweight (190 pounds) in the Amateurs as well as Lightheavy (175 pounds) before cutting down and fighting at 160.
      Robinson during there early fights was the size of a modern day Jr Welter during there early match ups and could be outweighed by 20 pounds or so.
      Leonard lost to a greater fighter then Lamotta in losing to Duran but Duran was also the natural smaller guy moving up to face Leonard.
      Robinson had his first loss to a much bigger opponent and yes I believe Jake capable of getting a win over Leonard. I think Leonard could still beat Jake more often then not as Robinson did.

    • @brandonlamb9067
      @brandonlamb9067 Před rokem +1

      @@TainoMantis Robinson did have an amazing jab that allowed him to manage spacing between him and his opponent but I simply believe Leonard had a sharper I.Q. than Robinson did and was able to make more intelligent adjustments. He said he fought Duran the first time with a brawling style on purpose because he wanted to prove he was tougher than Duran was and boxed in his natural style the second time around which allowed him to have such a decisive win in their second fight. That first fight was the only loss he had in his prime. Robinson's only loss in his prime was against LaMotta by unanimous decision and that was after he already beat Jake once. The Bronx Bull was nowhere near Duran in terms of overall ability.
      Thomas Hearns was a better opponent than anybody Robinson had faced. Leonard is simply better both in resume and ability

    • @brandonlamb9067
      @brandonlamb9067 Před rokem

      @@combatsportlover6919 If you believe LaMotta is even in the same ball park as Leonard I would be happy to teach you about boxing ability if you'd like?

  • @ReservoirPunk
    @ReservoirPunk Před rokem +19

    Taking nothing away from the great Sugar Ray Leonard but Robinson wins this 9 times out of 10 and I'm sure Leonard would tell you the same thing.
    Great video as always, hanza👊

  • @jaydebeer7251
    @jaydebeer7251 Před rokem +2

    At welterweight what a fight... both would be amazing in a fight at that weight in their prime... at middleweight Robinson would probably beat him as leonard was past his best at middleweight... but at welterweight he was something else...

  • @nikolasotirov6876
    @nikolasotirov6876 Před rokem +1

    Great video as always.What is the name of the song?

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +1

      Quantic - Time is the Enemy

  • @foetex9430
    @foetex9430 Před rokem +21

    Sugar Ray Robinson at 147 the undisputed King at 147. Ray Leonard don't got shit on him

  • @juiceleethewarriorpoet
    @juiceleethewarriorpoet Před rokem +2

    TECHNIQUE and punch selection would be the deciding factor in this fight. I might catch hell for this, but SRL was a much more refined and controlled puncher, and has better handspeed. I gotta say SRL. Just my opinion. Hardly ever saw that man out of position, his built in defense was a bit sharper to me. This would be the greatest fight that boxing could ever conjure.

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +3

      I'd hesitantly agree on the hand speed although it's pretty close but more refined and controlled? I don't see that.

  • @boogierodriguez040
    @boogierodriguez040 Před měsícem

    Greatness VS Greatness ⚘️⚘️

  • @linyx1243
    @linyx1243 Před rokem

    Bout time absolute beauty

  • @jasonmoore8961
    @jasonmoore8961 Před rokem +1

    BOTH are too great to say....pick em.

  • @onurdogan6600
    @onurdogan6600 Před rokem +1

    Thanks Bro.
    What about a Hasim Rahman Highlight ?

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +1

      Could be one for the future but got quite a few things lined up at the moment

  • @trimotomann653
    @trimotomann653 Před rokem

    both have BLAZZING SPEED

  • @gratitude62
    @gratitude62 Před rokem +6

    Sugar Ray Robinson... I'd bet a Kings ransom. Fun vids, HaNZA.

  • @ngodangphuong500
    @ngodangphuong500 Před rokem +13

    Sugar Ray Leonard would win..

  • @MrCeora
    @MrCeora Před měsícem

    2:58 the original float like a butterfly!!!

  • @MrCeora
    @MrCeora Před měsícem

    A forgotten or not often used enough skill, the body punch.
    Except for one fighter I can think of, Mike McCallum "The Body Snatcher".

  • @thewisetzar5363
    @thewisetzar5363 Před rokem +2

    Make more fantasy fights pre 1970's fighters

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem

      People don't seem to be too interested in them unfortunately.

  • @lime455
    @lime455 Před rokem +2

    Do you think we could get a Henry Armstrong V. Roberto Duran one?

  • @linyx1243
    @linyx1243 Před rokem +1

    Pernell Whittaker vs Pretty Boy Floyd next?

  • @slidecounter5813
    @slidecounter5813 Před rokem +4

    It would of been a great match up that's for sure both had GREAT SPEED ,TIMING ATHLETIC ABILITY ,POWER & KILLER INSTINCT

  • @SuperhumanUnchained
    @SuperhumanUnchained Před rokem

    I will give this one to sugar ray Robinson

  • @user-mj9dw6hi7y
    @user-mj9dw6hi7y Před 10 měsíci

    It would've been a very close hell of a fight. I think that Sugar Ray Robinson would've won by split decision.

  • @PrettyBoyx69x
    @PrettyBoyx69x Před 11 měsíci +1

    You should do sweet pea vs Floyd Mayweather next

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před 11 měsíci

      Think most would rightfully pick Sweet Pea

  • @elvigoteeee5741
    @elvigoteeee5741 Před rokem +1

    i really love them both and their boxing but robinson It is unique in history for me. The truth is, I don't know if he had knocked out Leonard, but that fight would have been interesting and epic, take it for granted.

    • @Lonelysportofboxing
      @Lonelysportofboxing Před rokem

      Considering Hearns punching power being a bit more than Robinsons I wouldn’t be expecting a knockout from him at all. Man just thinking about this fight I wish they made it atleast a computer fight like with Ali and Rocky.

  • @hanzjensen2154
    @hanzjensen2154 Před 5 měsíci

    I’m a fan of both.
    SRL had the faster hands - SRR more power and effective punches
    SRL had great footwork but was flat footed when throwing combinations - SRR had greater footwork and could throw combinations on his toes and could KO on the back foot
    Would be a technical fight with both fighters dancing trying to establish jabs. I don’t see SRL bothered by the height difference as we’d seen in the Hearns fight however SRR is not wild like Hearns.
    I think SRR by way of effectiveness and power that would prove to be too much in the later rounds. Definitely not an easy fight for SRR and possibly a boring fight for fans that don’t like technical bouts

  • @Ghoulikmusik
    @Ghoulikmusik Před 4 měsíci

    Leonard had speed, robins had power both are excellent

  • @qdontae6
    @qdontae6 Před rokem +1

    I got Robinson but I don’t think it’d be a landslide, Leonard got the fastest hand speed ever so that’s a good fight but I got SRR

  • @anarawad6017
    @anarawad6017 Před 8 měsíci

    Robinson every time

  • @user-di1qt8gb3i
    @user-di1qt8gb3i Před rokem

    Ray Leornard said in a interview a while back that he had no chance going against him and he said “I would get my ass kicked”

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +5

      I've used that point as well but realistically I think Leonard was just being humble. I'm sure he thinks Robinson is the goat but at the same time going into a fight against him he'd be confident of winning. It's respect as I'm sure Robinson would have appreciated Leonard's skills too.

  • @hypnotize3224
    @hypnotize3224 Před 10 měsíci

    Leonard was so fucking fast

  • @benjamin-ri2do
    @benjamin-ri2do Před rokem

    Fighters are more interested in looks these days

  • @user-hv6sb3kg9g
    @user-hv6sb3kg9g Před rokem

    SRR in an entertaining fast paced fight

  • @brewman6218
    @brewman6218 Před rokem +2

    I think Leonard would win because he was more skillful and used flashy moves to win rounds. Leonard fought much more dangerous competition and proved himself more so than Robinson who had much lower level competitors. It would be a really fun war though. I see Leonard KOing Robinson because Robinson would not have any experience fighting someone so good and would get caught by surprise.

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +2

      You can’t be serious with that haha

    • @brewman6218
      @brewman6218 Před rokem +1

      I am serious. Leonard was infinitely better than anyone Robinson ever fought and more technically skilled than Robinson. I see Robinson having a slight toughness and power advantage but that would not be enough to match Leonard's huge skill and speed advantage.

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +1

      @@brewman6218 That's insane. Maybe the worst take I've ever seen.

    • @brewman6218
      @brewman6218 Před rokem +1

      Not sure what's insane about it. Skill, speed, and experience will usually beat power and toughness. Robinson's style looks a little sloppy to me in comparison with Leonard. Sorry I'm not sentimentally biased. It would be a very tough fight though. 60/40 in favor of Leonard. He's more experienced vs great competition and proved that by wars with Hands of Stone, The Hitman, and The Marvelous One. All 3 of them would destroy The Raging Bull who was Robinson's greatest opponent.

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem

      @@brewman6218 If you think Leonard's era was vastly superior then I don't think you're familiar with Robinson's level of competition. Even Leonard himself says Robinson is the greatest and there's no comparison.

  • @chuckurso593
    @chuckurso593 Před rokem +1

    Almost impossible to call. They would surely fight 3 times and nobody would win all 3. You have to go by present time and era so Robinson would be even more advanced having fought the skilled fighters of today before reaching Leonard. Robinson was so ahead of his time and never could grow as a fighter due to very little competition in way of power and speed. There were no Haglers or Hearn's or Duran or Benitez for Robinson to contend with. Hearns could have probably ko'd Robinson early. If Robinson could survive till the 6th round, then he would have a chance. It's all in the matchup!

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +1

      Robinson beat some excellent fighters both at Welterweight and Middleweight. The notion that he had no competition I don't think I've seen anyone say that before?

    • @chuckurso593
      @chuckurso593 Před rokem +1

      @@hanzagod No competition for Robinson for he was just too good for what was out there. Also, what was out there was not even close to what Leonard had to deal with. Roberto Duran would walk through anyone back then without breaking a sweat.

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +1

      @@chuckurso593 That is 100% incorrect. Kid Gavilan, Carmen Basilio, Gene Fullmer, Jake LaMotta, Fritzie Zivic, Henry Armstrong, Randy Turpin, Joey Maxim, Rocky Graziano, Bobo Olson, Sammy Angott. That's a list full of killers. Robinson fought and beat a number of great fighters like Leonard did.

  • @user-gh7pj3lr7r
    @user-gh7pj3lr7r Před rokem +1

    듀란도 힘들어 했던 레너드가 로빈슨과 맞선다는건 말이 안됨.

  • @jacopodainotto4084
    @jacopodainotto4084 Před rokem

    Smith would've taken it even if he mimicked Leonard's style

  • @BadselS
    @BadselS Před rokem +4

    Robinson is kinda overrated. Leonard fought in much more refined and dangerous era, and he fought and beat all-time great KILLERS.

    • @melvintate8186
      @melvintate8186 Před rokem +2

      He's not overrated Muhammad Ali and Joe Louis said he was the best and if they said it I believe them!

    • @selfmade8884
      @selfmade8884 Před rokem +2

      So Jake la motta, Rocky graziano, Carmen basilio, gene fullmer, Randy Turpin, Bobo Olsen, etc. weren’t killers?! You need a history lesson my guy. You made yourself look foolish.

    • @melvintate8186
      @melvintate8186 Před rokem +2

      @@selfmade8884 That's right he needs to do some research there were a lot of dangerous fighters back in Robinsons time that he doesn't even know about!

    • @melvintate8186
      @melvintate8186 Před rokem

      @@Jerrylewis12here Some of what you are saying makes sense but are the boxers your talking about better than Henry Armstrong , kid Gavilan ,Jake LaMotta , Bobo Olson? These are some of the fighters that Ray beat and they are all considered great fighters! So that means Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali and many many more fighters and trainers don't know what we are talking about? That's why he's call the best Pound for Pound look that up!!

    • @sherrillraymond7595
      @sherrillraymond7595 Před rokem

      ​@@melvintate8186 all that is just opinions some think Robinson was better some say Leonard

  • @jackhandma1011
    @jackhandma1011 Před rokem +1

    I think Sugar Ray has the talent to knock out Sugar Ray.

  • @S7midnight
    @S7midnight Před rokem +1

    Leonard would retire before the fight

  • @SunnyIlha
    @SunnyIlha Před 5 měsíci

    Robinson, 10th round KO.

  • @Only1Kizz
    @Only1Kizz Před 10 měsíci

    SRR wins, SRR could do everything SRL does but better. I feel like SRR had had more in his arsenal than Leonard. Kind of like MJ and Kobe, MJ could do everything Kobe did but better.

  • @8limbedwarriornakmuay504

    Can Canelo beat either of them at 160 lbs with modern weigh-in ?

  • @combatesdeboxeo
    @combatesdeboxeo Před rokem +2

    Robinson was a little better in every department, specially power

  • @dashauncarney9651
    @dashauncarney9651 Před rokem

    Sugar Ray Robinson by unanimous decision.

  • @Cj-qk7il
    @Cj-qk7il Před rokem

    sorry leonard but the og has you on this one

  • @locstaloc9642
    @locstaloc9642 Před rokem

    Sugar Ray Leonard is the best Boxer of All time in my opinion

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem

      That's not a good opinion.

    • @locstaloc9642
      @locstaloc9642 Před rokem

      If u move sugar Ray Leonard weight class up to heavy weight who can beat him

  • @papertiger8280
    @papertiger8280 Před rokem +1

    Robison's hooks would have been troubling for Leonard I think. They do fight very similiar style... I'll go with Robison because he often fought (exchanging) into punching where as Leonard often punched into fighting (exchanging). So after the intial clash Robison would have the advantage stylistically. If Leonard could switch up his rythym. Boxing into fighting I could see him winning too.

  • @hueyfreeman1983
    @hueyfreeman1983 Před rokem +2

    First

  • @kennethkilleen8758
    @kennethkilleen8758 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Robinson much bigger puncher

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před 3 měsíci

      Not really. They were both big punchers.

  • @Shaison_
    @Shaison_ Před rokem +3

    Robinson is the greatest.

  • @PauloGarcia-sp5ws
    @PauloGarcia-sp5ws Před rokem +1

    I'd think Robinson. It might be a replay of the Duran fight and Leonard gets beat up. Then again, it might also be something like a replay of the Hagler fight, and it wouldn't surprise me if Leonard is gifted a split decision in the same way as he got against Hagler.

    • @micah14
      @micah14 Před rokem

      The only reason he fought Duran the way he did is because Duran pissed him off in the build up to the fight. I don't think he'd be dumb enough to stand there and trade with SRR.

    • @ReservoirPunk
      @ReservoirPunk Před rokem +2

      I wouldn't say Duran beat Ray up. It was very close.

  • @Kubilay57
    @Kubilay57 Před rokem +4

    Robinson wins everyday of the week and twice on sunday

  • @stephengreen1084
    @stephengreen1084 Před rokem +1

    So many different scenarios could play out with this fight....I think Leonard was a bit faster and had better defense. I could see Leonard winning a 15 round split decision victory. Just don't give Robinson a rematch lol! I guarantee he'll figure Leonard out. 👊🥊

  • @sherrillraymond7595
    @sherrillraymond7595 Před rokem

    Ray Leonard had better defense

    • @hanzagod
      @hanzagod  Před rokem +1

      They're about equal in that department. Both had defensive skills but they also got hit more than people think too.

  • @MubarakAli-rk8dx
    @MubarakAli-rk8dx Před rokem

    Suger Ray Robinson win

  • @paolomonzio972
    @paolomonzio972 Před rokem

    Sugar Ray win this one 😂

  • @user-rn6hr1qw3l
    @user-rn6hr1qw3l Před 8 měsíci

    Cant take nothing from leonard but Robinson would of beaten him easily

  • @mikes3517
    @mikes3517 Před rokem

    Leonard lost to Duran enough said

  • @user-ob1oq2ng9c
    @user-ob1oq2ng9c Před rokem

    ١٢/١/٢٠٢٣

  • @knowledgeberakah1728
    @knowledgeberakah1728 Před rokem

    Leonard would never fight his hero

  • @billwill1337
    @billwill1337 Před 2 měsíci

    Did Leonard take ped`s ?

  • @martinburke11
    @martinburke11 Před rokem +1

    I'm no Leonard fan, but Robinson wasn't the same fighter against opponents who were close to his height. I'm still picking Robinson, but it's admittedly biased.

  • @Fresh2DeathIsoy
    @Fresh2DeathIsoy Před rokem

    I think ray Robinson have a little size advantage, besides from that I think there aproximantly equally as good. Both top 5 p4p of all time!

    • @dappadondadda100
      @dappadondadda100 Před rokem +1

      Sugar Ray has more power.
      Ray Leonard has slightly more speed.
      Their chin is equal.
      Footwork Sugar Ray.
      Ring IQ Sugar Ray.
      Heart equal.
      Stamina is probably Sugar Ray by a whisker.

    • @Fresh2DeathIsoy
      @Fresh2DeathIsoy Před rokem

      @@dappadondadda100 thanku for teaching me.. feels good too get a free masterclass 👌

    • @JL-bz9hi
      @JL-bz9hi Před rokem

      Robinson had power advantage...but leonard imo was the faster more precise puncher...everything else about the same...that's why imo its a close fight and goes the distance

  • @xGhostRidah
    @xGhostRidah Před rokem

    I like both but Leonard would have been around as long as Robinson wanted him to.

    • @JL-bz9hi
      @JL-bz9hi Před rokem +1

      Fight goes the distance...just like the two fights with gavilan did which is the closest analogy to leonard...only keonard much faster and harder puncher than gavilan was

    • @xGhostRidah
      @xGhostRidah Před rokem

      @J L kid gavilan had over 108 pro fights. More than Leonard's career. The closest analogy to ray leonard was a fighter by the name of George Sugar Costner who ray robinson fought twice and knocked him out in both fights.

  • @ya.bel.7531
    @ya.bel.7531 Před rokem +1

    Robinson has much , IQ , power , better chin and the sweet violence.. for the rest they are equal.... But Robinson is the Genius ... Timing beat speed.. Leonard was schooled by the Duran I because of his bad inside technique...

    • @JL-bz9hi
      @JL-bz9hi Před rokem

      Leonard's chin was great ...he took bombs from hearns that knocked out Cuevas and duran

  • @kevincockle8526
    @kevincockle8526 Před rokem

    If you approximate Robinson as "Hearns with a chin/more durability", then median outcome would be Leonard loses UD15.

    • @Cj-qk7il
      @Cj-qk7il Před rokem +2

      robinson and hearns aren’t similar at all

    • @JL-bz9hi
      @JL-bz9hi Před rokem +2

      I would agree with that analogy...although you left out that rob wouldn't have had 6 inch reach advantage over leonard..which means the fight is even in my book...given these two are arguably the top 3 all time 147

  • @BrandonReyes-vi4rm
    @BrandonReyes-vi4rm Před rokem

    A toss up 50/50 .
    Compare there top 3 opponents when they were in their PRIME ? ?

  • @LimerickR266
    @LimerickR266 Před rokem +1

    Man, Robinson threw with some bad intentions. This would have been a fantastic match up.

  • @manuelboyer1771
    @manuelboyer1771 Před rokem

    Both are great fighters . But Robinson does everything better than Leonard. EVERYTHING

    • @JL-bz9hi
      @JL-bz9hi Před rokem

      Don't see that...only real advantage is power

  • @Andrewthe22
    @Andrewthe22 Před rokem +1

    Sugar ray Leonard could do it all elite inside at mid and at long range I’m taking sugar ray Leonard over the more athletic but less skilled Robinson all day

    • @Cj-qk7il
      @Cj-qk7il Před rokem +2

      “less skilled”😂😂

    • @Andrewthe22
      @Andrewthe22 Před rokem +2

      @@Cj-qk7il fundamentally less skilled yes

    • @Cj-qk7il
      @Cj-qk7il Před rokem +2

      @@Andrewthe22 no, no they aren’t lmao. fighters today are better outside fighter for the most part but they’re much worse at mid and close range. today you never see counter pincers like ezzard charles or archie moore.

  • @CousinJesse1
    @CousinJesse1 Před rokem

    I think Leonard would win 6/10 times.

  • @mr.mendez9378
    @mr.mendez9378 Před rokem +1

    Are you kidding me?
    There’s only one “Sugar”
    Ray Leonard, would not have stood a chance.
    15 rounds in those days, separated the men from the boys.
    • Chin
    • Stamina
    • KO with either hand
    • Fought opponents more than twice
    No comparison.

    • @JL-bz9hi
      @JL-bz9hi Před rokem

      Leonard walked away from Duran hearns hagler on his feet...the fight goes the distance

  • @SaidDK-rf7fs
    @SaidDK-rf7fs Před rokem +2

    Robinson to win a decision but it wont be easy

    • @JL-bz9hi
      @JL-bz9hi Před rokem

      I agree it goes the distance....but if they fought 10 times ...I could see a near even split...top3 welter both so to say one dominates the other is a stretch

  • @dogsbollocksgenius9480
    @dogsbollocksgenius9480 Před rokem +1

    Robinson, the best of all time

    • @dogsbollocksgenius9480
      @dogsbollocksgenius9480 Před rokem +1

      @@Jerrylewis12here I stopped reading when you said Ray Robinson was sloppy and stiff. Ridiculous

  • @guidooctavio3982
    @guidooctavio3982 Před rokem +1

    The diabetic fight