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- Are super steels really that great?
Long Term Test AUS8:
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Extreme Destruction Test of AUS8:
• Cold Steel SRK, what c...
I had a couple of rather brittle super-steel knives that chipped on me, then I got a knife in AUS8 and it never chipped on me once, hence I made the decision to produce my own survival knife in AUS8. It needs more sharpening than other steels but for me personally it is not a big deal, at least I know that AUS8 has less risk of breaking or chipping. Please keep in mind that this is not a Fallkniven bashing video, Fallkniven is a respectable knife manufacturer, and they produce a lot of great knives. Today's video was only about steel choice.
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This video was made and produced in Austria.
Thanks for watching this video. My knife is sold out btw... so I want to thank all my customers who supported me and bought an APO-1. For those who did not get one in time I expect new knives to arrive around mid of March. If you want to get a reminder per email. Just send me a business email. You will find the email address at my website. Besides here is another destruction test I did with a very thin AUS8 steel prototype, much thinner than the S1 I broke in this video. See what happens: czcams.com/video/7UaqwIkCXD8/video.html
You should test out the new cold steel srk in sk5.
Survival Lilly How about a smaller version of your knife 🔪 for food/finer tasks.
@@BackCountryRunaway Did they quit making the AUS 8 version of the SRK?
@@ChrisGilliamOffGrid yeah
@@BackCountryRunaway Wow. Bad move.
As a knife sharpener I feel it is quite important to mention that AUS-8 is super easy to resharpen! I have found it sometimes has the edge roll in spots but a quick hone on a ceramic rod fixes it in short order with very minimum steel removal. Super easy to put a razor edge on it! Great choice for a survival knife in my opinion. Great choice Lilly!
I got your first knife Lilly and I’m very satisfied.
I don’t abuse it, I take care of it.
It is comfortable and balanced in use and the size allows back and forth access to vehicles and equipment without having to take it off the belt.
This doesnt apply to 3V or cru wear or other similar super steels, they blow Aus-8 out of the water in every aspect besides maybe corrosion resistance.
Yep exactly. Aus8 is garbage.
Not sure why she is so crazy about chips or breaking the tip. Never had an issue with super steels.
Not quite true you Lilly sheep.
Can get a Benchmade 200 Puukko for $110 in CPM 3V
@OmteZero her knife is $150 my benchmade lukue was $130 and is 3v
@@dabeerguy79 holy shit. 150 for aus8. Thats a rip off. I got a lionsteel m4 with m390 for less than that.
@@AG.Floats Garbage? Lol, why? Because you don't know how to sharpen a knife? Because someone else told you so?
In Scandinavia (I live in Lapland) we say that this type of debate is categorized as a "I-landsproblem". Meaning a rich country problem. Debating what technical steel is the preference. With that said, I also want to put it out there that I'm born and raised (17 years) in Centralafrica. Born In Tchad and grew up in the Central African Republic. I grew up in both the north of the country bordering to Tchad (savana and desert) and in the south bordering to the DRC (jungle). I grew up in the outdoors doing normal stuff for those regions, which is hunting, fishing, building and so on. I would be lucky if I had a knife with me. Same goes for my friends there. The question was never: What type of steel is your knife? Nobody had their own knife! It was more like: Hey can we take your father's knife/axe/spear tomorrow when we go fish? (priced working tool of father who would heat up a can of ass-whooping just for being asked). Imagine a dozen of kids with 1 "borrowed" knife/axe or spear taking turns to use it and learning it.
It's so frustrating to read comments and watch videos talking about "in a survival situation". Let's be frank, when are you ever going to be in a survival situation in Europe or North America where you would depend on a knife? What are the odds? How far from your car must you be to determine that yeah "this is is a survival situation"? I day walk? 3 days? 1 month? Can I call 112/911? And also, would you cry over the type of steel you would happen to have if you were in such a dilemma?
Now, I understand that many youtube people do have the opportunity to chose their steel and that it is nice and stimulating to imagine those scenarios and debate them. But that's all it is...imaginations. Pick your tool, learn it's margins, use it with common sense and have fun :)
Love to you all ,
we still get a couple of lost hikers in the Austrian mountains who get lost in bad weather, some even have to stay a night up in the mountain, some don't make it. Once we had a 60 year old man who fell into a crevasse for 7 days in winter, he made it. another time a couple of runners could not find their way home anymore and had to stay the night on the mountain until rescue could get to them. also in North America where there is vast wilderness you can get lost easily. But of course if people only stay at home, such a situation will not happen to you.
@@SurvivalLilly Hey Lilly, thanks for the reply :) Yeah we have those similar unfortunate things happen in Africa and Lapland also. The areas are extremely vast and non-populated and each can challenge you in their own seasonal way. It is always a tragedy when people get badly hurt or find themselves in those types of situations. Prepared, educated or not. Accidents will happen in life. Even at home. My main point was the debate of steel choice that I believe is a bit over the top in the "survival community" based on various imagined "what ifs". I really appreciate that you took the time to reply to me. I subscribed after I watched your external pack frame video. I invite you to have a look at the wooden frame I built for my wife :)
Come to a place like Vancouver Island (like Lilly did) and see what can go wrong. Not everyone drives. I backpack, bikepack, ski-tour and kayak. Survival can be an issue and good tools are important! Unprepared people can easily die.
@@ve7vie I would love to come :) May I also invite you to the Central African Republic and specifically to Ndele and Mbaiki. You are also very welcome to some adventures here in snowy lapland. We'll take the dogsled with us :)
The best knife is the one you use daily and know it's limits.
Vg10 is not a super steel! That being said AUS 8 is tougher then vg10! The title of this video "are super Steels really that great?" There were no super Steels involved in this video. Fallkniven is known for using a laminating procedure and this case 420 J2 with vg10 as the core. This procedure will make the vg10 at best 30% tougher! But in this case aus-8 still prevailed! Chipping versus rolling! There are times when rolling can be just as much work to repair as chipping! Obviously it depends on the severity of it. As far as the tip bending instead of breaking off we have to consider metal fatigue! Bending it back and forth just a few times can compromise the Integrity of the steel! Ultimately there is no winner here! We all just need to understand and respect the tool that we are working with and its limitations!
You’re that guy. Accept it or stop.
@@globy4104 I know. These guys are mostly retired Boomers with big retirements and savings whose lives revolve around showing up everyone with more expensive toys. They are a pretty sad bunch.
Rock on 🤘 Lilly
If people really want something inflexible and hard, just offer your same knife in D8 tool steel. If they can somehow mess that up, good luck getting it sharp again without a machine shop. Better advice, though, is "Get a HATCHET, people! Knives are for cutting food and string! Sheesh." A hatchet or tomahawk weighs less than a kilogram, rides easy on your belt, and the back side doubles as a real hammer. I liked that "Crocodile Dundee" movie, too, but it was meant to be a comedy, not a classroom.
animist channel, I couldn't agree more, but hatchets seem to be out of favor with survivalists. I prefer a knife that does what a knife is supposed to do. The first thing I thought of when I saw Lilly hacking that bamboo was that you could cut through it in about 2 seconds using the saw on a 25 dollar Swiss Army Knife. But of course those aren't cool enough.
@@mortsnerd5100 Yah, I think the "survival" community on CZcams watched "Rambo" too many times. They run about with what are essentially combat knives, trying to find a place to stick them.
A rule of tools: "A tool that tries to do too many jobs ends up doing all of them badly."
Steel type is only one factor that determines the blade strength. Also the heat treatment decides about the edge ratention and elasticity. The higher You will harden the steel the longer will the knife keep it's sharpness but the less elastic will it be and easier to break. So U can harden for example the aus8 steel up to 60 HRC (Rockwell scale of mesuring hardnes if i remember it corectly) and a blade with such hardness will bend less and will break more easy than a blade from some super-steel hardened up to for example 57 HRC. So not only the steel type by it selve decides about a knives durability edge retention and strength. Also blade form and grind matters ... It will be much easy to chip a blade with a full scandy than a sabre(compound) grind or a convex... and so on. Many different factors decide about how good and destruction resistant a blade is. The most important factor in my opinion is the ...user... if U can use a cheap knife made from a poor quality steel wisely it will serve U longer than a high quality one in hands of an inexperienced user. .... sorry for such long poem. Greetings... Ps. If U're going to throw out the Falkniven with the broken tip could U reveal the location of U'r garbage container ;) ?? One minute with the grinder and a new tip :)
This was the comment I wanted to see. Knife durability, edge retention, and sharpen-ability are WAY more complicated than mere steel choice.
@@teegotime I'm sorry if I made some spelling mistakes . I didn't use English for a long time.
@@kovalsky7620 I think you misunderstood. I was in agreement with what you said. 👍
I have used AUS8 for a long time, easy to sharpen, doesn’t chip, great for a bush knife. Been a big fan of yours for a long time Lilly, keep up the good work.
It’s all in heat treat. For example, 420 HC is mediocre. However, Buck’s Bos 420HC performs like that of 1095 carbon. There are many factors that come into play.
There’s nothing mediocre about 420... I never rolls that bad, never chips, rarely makes a wire edge, and sharpens like carbon while being stainless. No other steel comes close. It does warp easily (so does INFI, worse in fact) and does not like frozen wood: It suddenly rolls a lot on frozen wood, one of its few flaws.
I think the problems you are showing are not problems with the knives, but using a knife for the wrong jobs. Increasing hardness is good for scraping, cutting and carving but not for chopping or prying. I am a machinist, working for years with hard steels to cut other steels. Think of it, you can use an ax for decades for chopping, not so long for carving. An ax is not as hard a steel as a knife. When you use a harder steel for an impact, expext it to chip. When you use it to pry, expect it to break. I'm
not cutting you down, just trying to teach you a bit about what we mean when we talk about hardness. You followed up saying a brittle tool is different from a tough blade that will do the work for a survivalist but will need resharpening. Absolutely correct! The brittle blade (the harder one) will carve better, the tougher blade will chop and do other things better.
yes that is exactly what i mean
The best answer I read here. Bravo! 👍
the cutting edge on an axe is hardened the rest is not so youre wrong right off the bat sigh i was hoping a machinist would know that lol
I'm very very very sorry but, why don't you try out the CoS steel again from Fällkniven ???? The CoS steel or "Cobalt Steel" is the thoughest stainless steel on planet earth which has 60 HRC (crazy hard!!) holds an edge for a very long time, is unbeatable.
I agree about the vg 10, it is a shit steel which is for me a a piece of a crap, it chips the edge after a couple of times battoning hard oak and so on, not good steel, AUS 8 is better but not better then CoS if you want you can try it out for you're self and make a tip test with CoS steel, it will never ever break like the VG 10, and also it will not bend.
Nice vid BTW, hope i see you test out the CoS steel, have a nice day ;-)
@@lyndonlucier791 when you get done sighing, how do you harden the edge of an ax without hardening the whole piece?
Good point; I managed to break the tip on my F1 once, never on S1 and A1. I agree, vg10 at 59 hrc is kinda hard steel, more prone to chip than AUS8 or high carboon alloys. All that said, I think that losing the very tip on a survival knife on the field is not the end of the world, you still have a very usable tool for cutting tasks. Plus, vg10 paired with convex grind retains the edge for an infinite time and won't let you down. Also keep in mind that a rolled edge is less usable and harder to restore than a microchipped one.
When you talk about steels, It's always a tradeoff...
Wonderful video, a survival knife should do about anything,,maybe not the best at all things ,,but good at everything, I have been a hunter and camper and what is called now(BUSHCRAFTER) as I am 62 years old and have been enjoying Bush crafting , long before the turm came out,, you are very talented Lilly ,,and tryely beautiful,,you are a dream girl,,xoxo
This is why I'm getting away from watching certain knife reviews, people absolutely abuse a knife and when it bends or breaks they jump all over it. Use a knife for what is intended for, cutting, and it will do just fine unless it's an absolute POS.
Like this knife
Lilly, I told Emelie & Vanessa, and now you, that my wife & I will be hosting a summer camp for our three grand daughters this year. They'll be watching your CZcams channels and trying out the things that you ladies do in the woods. Thank you so much for what you do - you three are wonderful roles models for young women!
Hi Lilly,
I noticed a couple of certain individuals running down your new knife recently, and In this vid to carried out the very same destruction tests and gave detailed reason as to why the knife is designed this way.
It performed exactly as it is designed to do.... so that IS NOT a failure.
(And it was also Extremely well explained, thank you)
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You are completely open as to how your new knife will perform, which is refreshingly candid and honest.
Anyone thinking of acquiring one of yours can make an informed decision to if it meets their needs so that's perfect. 👍
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You have integrity which is quite rare these days, so thank you for being that too. 😀
Thank you so much. You made me appreciate my AUS8 blades so much more. I really love my CRKT Hissatsu which has an AUS8 blade. You can just imagine how much more I love that knife.
There are more factors at play here than simply "this steel vs that steel." Things like blade thickness, knife geometry, grind, differences in the quality of heat treatment, all come into play when determining a knife's characteristics. I think the Fallkniven tip had a much thinner profile than the SRK due to the false edge, for example. This is maybe a bad design for the Fallkniven for a survival knife, but I wouldn't blame the steel necessarily, (personally I'd prefer 1095 carbon steel for any big knife). Steel type determines the micro crystalline structure of a knife, which can affect all of the things tested in the video, but it is not the only factor. I'm not an expert on the micro crystaline structure of steel types, but I would think one would need to become an expert to properly account for all variables and really grasp how a steel works, beyond what is observed in a particular knife.
Most never use their knives to experience something like a chip so they're focused on edge retention, and get caught up in the superior edge retention of "super steels" which are also very difficult to sharpen in the field too. That's also why Chris Reeves keeps their knives lower RC vs higher, less likley to chip, easier to sharpen in the field, etc. at the expense of edge retention.
Best knife ever. I love this knife and I am slowly abusing it to see how good it stands and so far its the best thing ever
@Brian Owens best knife i owned so far and I have a few knives. Its solid and does a fantastic job its size
my daughter and I love watching all of your videos... Please never stop. I don't get outside much and really appreciate that you take us with you
I think I'd rather sharpen my knife once a week than every time I use it and just not use it for digging and gouging.
Lilly I love your videos that said you're Horribly hard on your knives. No knife or steel in the world will hold up to the punishment you give it. Even your excellent knife will fail with the abuse. You really need to start thinking of an axe or hatchet to do what you're asking your knives to do. Keep up the videos. I'm looking forward to a axe or hatchet test.
i have used and abused my APO-1, so far no problems.
as well as being very robust it is very comfy in the hand.
Yes the right super steels are that great. The CPM line are insane. They can have all the benefits of other steels but much better and the downsides to the steels aren't as bad.
The true secret to a knife is heat treat. If you get the right heat treat the knife can outclass "better steel" knives.
Cold Steel knives are good only because the heat treat. They can almost use any steel and get a great result as long as the right designer is making the knife behind the heat treat.
You can't have the perfect all in one knife but if you have a second knife and you better carry a second one to fit the other tasks then you can have a perfect twin knife set.
Aus-8 is no CPM 3V😉
She needs to get a Bark River knife with a CPM 3V blade for the way she uses a knife.
Not much is.
What is the knife or steel you reference? CPM 3V?
Bobby A, the steel is CPM 3V, which is probably the toughest available knife steel on the market. If you want to baton and pry while minimizing the risk of bending or breaking your blade, 3V is a very good, albeit expensive, choice. In addition to toughness, it has good edge retention and moderate corrosion resistance and sharpening ease.
Bark River Knives makes many models of bushcraft and hunting knives, and 3V is an option on some. They put a convex grind on all their blades, which I think adds to their toughness to a degree. And, sharpening a convex knife by stropping is quite simple.
I EDC a Bark River Mini Fox River in a two-compartment pocket sheath with a one-cell Fenix flashlight. The MFR has a 2.9-inch 3V blade. It's big enough to do whatever I need to do outdoors, while being small enough to legally carry in my pocket for everyday use without violating state law concerning concealed carry of a dangerous weapon.
Bobby A the steel is cpm 3v. Wonderful stuff
Seems like you guys are nitpicking about the way she uses that knife and that she is abusing all the others... It's a destruction test! That test is to see if certain ares of the knife are weak. EVERY knife person does these tests. And the tip test is for things like I use my knife for worms and clams, sometimes there is a rock underneath. It's nice to know her knife can handle it. Good Vid Lilly
And thank you
Personally I wish more knives were made of simple carbon steels like 1095, 1075, and 01.
@Semper Skeptical lol cheaper and easier to sharpen than the modern supersteels
Make them!
@@ssunfish Always a possibility but I would still rather have more choices on the market in those steels for good working outdoor knives.
@@glbwoodsbum2567 this is true
I bet you do NOT live in a tropical area...
You're asking price is too much for aus-8. Aus-8 is a budget steel.
I agree with you, reason why I dont use super steel knives for woodcraft/bushcraft/survival. I unsubscribed from a youtube channel with a couple of presenters who are knife steel snobs.
Lilly love you and your opinions!
For those people who cannot think for themselves and believe you are “pushing” your beliefs in them, I say EFF THEM!
I am not an avid outdoorsman (yet) however love getting a lot of different opinions, and your opinions are among my most regarded. I can think for myself and will, however if you cannot accept the wisdom of others, then you are a fool!
Thank you for what you do!
wisdom seeks wisdom!
Lily: I'm going to curl over the tip of my knife.
Lily's knife: Yeah, SURE you are.
I understand Nate at CP will be retailing the APO1, now I get to support my two favorite folks on the net, thanks for the review, completely agree on the bend, not break choice.
soooo this is a 20 minute long video of you trying to justify your use of aus-8 in a $120 knife? vg-10 is not a super steel, it isn't even a high end steel it's an average steel, the lowest possible steel i'd consider buying, I wouldn't get anything below it. Aus-8 in a knife that expensive is just a plain rip-off. If I remember correctly it's not even full tang. Super steels are called that for a reason and yes they are great.
fullfire0 these so called “super steels” are called that to sell them, and not necessarily because of better performance. It’s a response to the demands of consumers-like everything. Honesty plays a far less important part in advertising than hype. Those “super steels” They’re mainly harder steels-and I’ve used a lot of them, and pretty much all are rip offs, in my opinion. AUS-8 is well nigh indestructible and holds that edge extremely well for the toughness, so it would seem the moniker “super steel” should be maybe attached to it, no? Lilly has far more experience it seems than a lot of other people, if I had a knife to test to the max-I would send it to her! She might break it, but she would honestly test it. I don’t prefer stainless steel in general- but if I had to have one, it would be 12C27 Sandvik or AUS-8 at this point. It’s in how you use the knife more than what it’s made of.
I have to tell you that i found your videos a few months ago!!! And i can’t stop watching you! You are spot on and very smart!!! And you are one strong and brave women! I’m buying your knife the APO 1S! Knife!! I’m learning so much from you keep up the good work!!! Your the best!!!!!
I don't mind touching an edge up a little more frequently. When the chips are down, I want a tough knife. Good choice!
I've always been happy with 1095, 5160, and 420hc from Buck. However, I am going to purchase your apo 1 soon @SurvivalLilly . Watching you has proved to me that the AUS8 you are using may serve me even better. You are awesome🤙
The tip strength also depends a lot on the blade thickness and geometry, maybe even as much as the steel, but yeah obviously harder steels will break or chip more easily... Ideally I would carry both a smaller knife with a harder steel for processing food and a bigger knife with softer steel for the bushcraft.
It depends first of all of the blade geometry.
Plus bushcraft and survival knife are two way different animals
Pfffft dumb.
S30v, M4 and 3V all the way.
Never had a problem with chipping or losing a tip on super steels.
Excellent, well done demonstration and explanations, Lilly! Really appreciate your impeccable professionalism!
I agree on a bendover tip is better than no tip. 👍😁
This video will help me pick the knife that will work for me. Very informative, thanks Lilly!
I'm beginning to think that heat treat has a lot more to do with reliability that particular steels. And I'm right there with you on hardness of the edge
it definitely does, especially in the higher alloys. it's really easy to mess up.
I think that companies who wind up with great knives are the ones who have nailed the heat treat process. It's not just a number, it's a process and difficult to do well.
@@jamescooper2618 yep I agree with that too.
@@dick_richards cold steel, esee, buck? What’re your suggestions for brands with down pat heat treatment?
@@dick_richards Yeah I get that, I’m just talking generally
I was a professional blacksmith / blade smith for years.
I think more important then the steel a knife is made out of is how the blade is hardened / tempered.
One advantage a forged or handcrafted knife can have is that the maker can temper it so that different areas of the blade has different hardness...factory knives don’t have this.
I think to that to many factory knives are to hard, I’d rather have to sharpen more then deal with chips
Hi Lilly, I am a knife maker and a knife sharpener, so congratulations on making a knife (never knock someone else’s knife). But I think you will find that heat treatment and edge geometry is more important than the type of steel used, and vg10 is not really a super steel, it’s more suited to kitchen knives.
If you are going to broaden your base then I would recommend O1 and s35vn, both very good steels one a super steel (powder steel is a better term), and one probably the best carbon steel around, just out a disclaim about rust into your O1 knives.
Indeed. Well said. Thank you.
How would you rate Cold Steel's San Mai III steel, especially with a convex grind? I have heard it performs very well compared to the Falkniven steels, which have a similar construction? I have a Trial Master and it is an awesome knife, but, NO I do not intend "testing it to destruction"! I buy and use knives for their intended purpose, or failing that, to use them with consideration and care (like I would a firearm).
You're exactly right, the tip is arguably the most important part of your blade, only because it is the only part of the blade that can perform these important stabbing functions.
And this is exactly why you should in under no circumstance use the technique you used in the video in the field, on any knife. Come up with a different method to dig through wood, such as stabbing a dozen or so times in the intended area before making your prying motion as to further weaken the integrity of the wood. No matter how tough your steel is you should be doing everything you can to give the knife the advantage, and to avoid damaging the tool that is keeping you alive. Also the chances are if the wood is hard enough to snap off your tip that it won't really be saturated with grubs anyhow, not being dead enough. Find a softer and more dead downed tree, and take more care in "feeling" while you perform that function. Not haphazardly stabbing as hard as you can and quickly bending the steel in its weakest direction.
Of course a knives steel should be tough, your point was not missed. But this doesn't excuse abusing your blade that your life may or may not depend on. That VG-10 would last multiple lifetimes of hard use in the field without unnecessary/thoughtless abuse.
THIS MAN SPEAKS THE TRUTH !!!
exactly my opinion aswell
Sorry but what is the tip for if I cant use it?
@@SurvivalLilly well, everything except prying.
There are tons of things you can do with the tip other than these destructive tasks.
And I have seen you perform a great deal of these precision tasks so I don't understand why you are asking this??
@@SurvivalLilly It was never even suggested that you *couldn't* use it.
What I said was to not *abuse* it, which was done in this video. I gave a thorough explanation of what I was saying in my original post. Stabbing your tip as hard as physically possible into dense hardwood and quickly torquing the blade in it's weakest direction is nothing short of senseless abuse that would break any blade.
I don't say this with no experience, either. I'm a long time survivalist/bushcrafter, and a Mechanical Engineer that is certified in metallurgy. I am very familiar with the technical limitations of different metal compositions.
Like I said, being a bit more careful and not using so much force, this is a doable task.
Also, you will NEVER find a significant amount of grubs in wood that hard anyhow, so the abusive task will be fruitless either way. Find softer more decomposed wood to root around in. You'll actually be able to find the grubs you're looking for, and won't break your sole lifeline in the process.
@@-LiveFreeorDie Great comment Jordan. I don´t understand why she insists in trying to demonstrate something misusing the knife. Her knife tip (in another video) bended like crazy in the first try. Would never say her knife is useless or bad quality, it was misused.
I have more experience with 1095 and none with AUS-8, so my preference tend to be for 1095, it's a great field steel (not for humide environnement)
Great non-biased comparison, love the video:)
ha... I was happy with my gerber but now I want a Survival Lilly APO-1 or whatever rev is coming, with the AUS8 steel :)
Wich Gerber you have?
Gerber Strongarm Fixed blade Brown FE. I haven't broke it yet, but I don't like the sheath. Too elaborate for what it does..... a common complaint.
@@bushmantekbits1431 the same with my one!
i'm a former door kicker and now working as pmc. had experience where i had to use my knife to cut open a helicopter skin and i first used a back up knife made of 420hc and it broke. i then used my main knife (ed martin knife) made of s35vn and it did the job. after that incident, i decided to really torture test my knife and tried to pry open an old car gear box with my knife. couldn't open the damn thing but i did cause substantial damage to the gear box. knife got dull (which is something you'd expect after a brutal test) after half an hour in the sharpening stone, it's as good as new. point is, if you're going to buy a "SURVIVAL KNIFE" in preparation for a really shitty situation, buy a knife made from a steel that you can really depend your life on. sure it'll cost more but you can always save up cause you wouldn't wanna be stingy with your cash when your life depends on it.
Today I learned more about steel and knives than I've ever learned before. Thank you.
Good explanation of why you chose AUS8.
if you hate chips you should try dill pickle chip or BBQ my favorite
Is the knife balanced for throwing?
Ojojo, jajaja LOL
Bahahaha french onion dip with that chip?
Greetings from an original Seychellois 🏖 Long time lurker, occasional commentator, and I must say your chill approach to adventuring is refreshing to watch. Cheers
Nice move in offering your knife in different steels. You also made it clear that AUS 8 was your preferred steel, but you understand that other people have the right to be wrong, lol. Well done.
You braved posting a video about knife steel! Amazing! 👏 I know the comment section can get crazy when someone say something about knives in general, let alone talking about certain steels. So hats off to you! Learned that in my last video. Also, I saw a ring on your finger! Looks pretty :)
Every time I see another video with someone stabbing a log or flailing away at a tree with their knife, it becomes Charlie Brown's mother voice. Wa wa wa wa wa wa.. I say, stop whining about types of steels, rolled edges, broken tips and use the right tool for the job if you're camping, hiking, whatever, which is as close to a "survival situation" as most will ever come. If you ever do end up in a situation, be glad you have a knife at all no matter what it is and take good care of it. And while you're taking care of your blade, you will, at the same time, sensibly conserve your energy for better things than stabbing logs, chipping trees, batoning firewood, etc.
Our ancestors cut down whole woods thousands years ago with stone axes. If a “super steel” breaks against wood, it’s just a piece of cheap Chinese junk with an American or European brand on top of it
@@elforeigner3260 The problem is when chopping down a tree, you're just hitting it. She's stabbing shit into logs and bending it.
you missed the whole point of the video, i think you just read the title and didn't watch the video.
I have owned a lot of knives over the years, but several years ago, I realised my favorite survival knife steel is 420HC. It's cheap, it's extremely corrosion resistant, it's very tough, and while it does not have noteworthy edge retention, it is extremely easy to sharpen. And did I mention cheap, so you don't need to obsess over possibly screwing up while sharpening it?
The most important survival tool is a good knife, but no knife is better than its edge, and no edge is better than its sharpener. Learning to sharpen a knife is a crucial survival (and life) skill that too many people lack.
In the field, I would sooner trust a 420HC knife with a great field sharpening system than an exotic crucible steel knife that really requires specialised sharpening tools and a bench to properly sharpen. Sure the exotic steel will hold its edge longer, but once it gets dulled or damaged, you're going to have a rough go.
My go-to field knives now are a set of vintage Gerber Pro-Guide II 420HC knives. I've used the big one to baton through an entire northern winter's worth of kindling when heating exclusively with wood, and never once nicked the edge. I also carry a Taiwanese Buck 420HC in my handbag as a lunch knife for cutting crusty baguettes, etc.
Nothing wrong with 420HC!!! Buck knives does an excellent job with it.
A Buck Diamondback is one of my EDC knives. I carry it primarily to cut crusty baguettes for lunch. :D
I agree with your choice of aus-8, it is a great steel and is a proven performer. With that being said I also believe the likes of 3V (you can get the SRK in 3V) or san mai (again you can get the SRK in this steel) would perform just as well as aus-8 toughness wise and give even better edge retention. 3V is renowned for its toughness, I have seen youtube vids of people batoning cinder blocks with 3V knives and them not breaking.
Tho of you look at the price of 3v steel knives, you have to wonder what such would cost for someone like Lilly to have produced and what she would have to charge her fans for the knife. I like 3v but even big name knife companies have to charge a decent amount and they have them produced on a large scale. Logically it would more exspensive for someone like Lilly with the order amounts being so much smaller
@PESTIL3NCE but these are from big or well known knife companys where they have large orders for there knife productions. Even taking into account maybe a small percentage of them are in the 3v steel, they still have thousands of knives being produced so there costs to produce will naturally be cheaper do to the shear number of knives there are having produced. For someone like Lilly the cost is always going to be higher for production since the number of knives being ordered or so much smaller. Also keep in mind of cold steel, buck, benchmade or any of the others end up producing knives that don't sell they don't risk or losing everything. For someone like Lilly it's a risk to not only sell but to have a hand in designing a knife of her own. Lilly felt the need to come out and defend her choice of steel to rebuke the steel snobs. I've never seen in my 46 years any knife manufacturers have to defend there choices. Hell Bear Grills (sp) has never had to come out and defend the rather unimpressive steels Gerber has used with some of the knives that his name is on. But again I remember when most outdoor knives commonly found were not much different then the 440 stainless types of steel. AUS 8 isn't a bad steel choice. No not the best steel out there, but I still have and routinely use field type knives I either bought or had bought for me from the mid to late 80s when I did scouts. I agree 3V is a dang good steel and would be a better choice but I'm willing to bet that raise the price not only for Lilly to have to knives made not the price she would have to charge but Quite a bit. And from what I've read she gets enough heat for what she's charging already
@PESTIL3NCE don't get me wrong I love my Cold Steel blades tho I haven't bought any other then there mini hunter since the offers the 3v steel and made in Taiwan. And I am happy with the new mini hunter. I would imagine tho that of sue did move up to 3v for her steel she'd get alot more hate over the price she'd have to charge.
Bob Herek the Benchmade puukko is $125 made out of 3v
@@49giants3 I do realize that there are rather inexpensive knives with the 3v steel. My point is that these are big name companys who make and sell thousands of knives per year, and I'm really low balling that number. For them to mass produce knives for a inexpensive price is pretty easy. For someone like Lilly with very limited production runs of her knife the price is naturally going to be higher than a mass producing knife company. Lilly is taking a risk ,like Any youtuber, by designing and producing her own knife. Best of my knowledge there is no big name knife companies backing or producing her knife for her. As I have not yet had the opportunity to purchase her knife I can only go by reviews I've seen , and her knife seems to be pretty decent. Better then many knives that carry a bug name survival show guys name mass produce from a big name knife company. Yes there are better steels, and yes you can find good knives cheaper, that's not the point. Buying a APO 1 is supporting a youtuber and her channel. No one seems to think hundred plus bucks on a Esse is outrageous for a 1095 carbon steel which is far from a super steel. I'm not bashing 1095 I own a good number of knives in that steel. Yet you can get a okc rat style knife in same steel for alot less. Just dont understand the hate Lilly gets for her steel choice. Maybe the haters should step up take the risk, design there own knife, put up a stake to risk there Name and money on there knife, risk even more by choosing the so called super steel and see how it goes.
I am still glued to my old US AirForce Survival knife. Lot of people hate it for several reasons but it makes great service to me for several years (Alaska, Asia, Africa missions) and I never had issue, never broke it or so... Many times it was my "the only knife" I had on mission.
So what’s the best blade steel? The one you’re selling, of course! I’d take 1095 over AUS8 any day but I’d take 3V over 1095. Guess what, I’d take M390 or Elmax over 3V for most tasks. AUS8, not even on my radar..
She is a joke .
great video. i didnt know aus 8 was so tough! great demonstration. to me edge retention is not as important as durability bc i enjoy sharpening knives. so if my knife never gets dull i am a bored man. and imo sharpening a knife is a skill people should develop especially for survival situations. if a knife with a tough blade gets dull in the wild you can sharpen it with a proper stone found in the woods. you would have much more trouble trying to sharpen an exotic steel in the woods with a rock. so for me durability is #1.
The ability to bend may keep you from breaking.... in many ways... to fight or love another day.
I like my Apo 1S! It is a thing of beauty. Thx Lilly
I appreciate that you made an objective comparison as an answer to the bashing like vid of those two boys. You didn’t use names as they did. I have to give you my full Respekt for being such a strong character. I used to watch these boy‘s vids a lot but was very disappointed seeing their critiquefull broadcasting. Maybe they where just angry because you dethroned their favorite toy with the facts that you delivered using the S1 (or A1) in your practical experience. But I got really sad in reading the commends there. Shame on me that I didn‘t write such words over there. But it is pointless to discuss with a supremacy of fanboys. They should continue to breed bark river fanboys and you should continue to show us useful things to do in the woods. Thank you for all your content and continue your work and enjoying time in the woods.
@Chrly Ray
,,. Lilly goes to the point and it's just her, not some sponsor's agenda.''
really? she is sponsored by many companies, but most importantly she is sponsoring her own product. she runs her channel as a business to make money out of it.
@Chrly Ray
lilly is not biased? yeah right:)
Those 2 boys put it to the test it failed
@Chrly Ray when ever knife in the world fails. It's not an honest review it put my Mora up against it any day
Olaf Schermann well said.
There's no unbreackable steel in the world.
There's only unpropper using.Signed:
a blacksmith with over 20+ years of experience.
Agreed, when are you going to need to stab a tree 5/6 times.
you should test the new SRKs in SK5 steel
Why they will suck and fail. Ever knife does with her
@@lesliedetrick8964 😂😂😂 Except that APO-1 right? That knife is PERFECT in every way😂
Hi Lilly , thank you for the honest opinion on knives , so many people have biased opinion s , It makes a change ! be well .
"It's not bent over.. I'm sorry."
When you have to apologize because your knife is so good, you know you're selling the right one.
I have the same cold steel knife as you. I like it. I plan to buy your new knife also. Thanks for the great demo. You beat the hell out of the knife and it didn't break. Thanks.
Harder is not better! It's only for specialty uses that skilled users are well informed of.
For instance I use chisels in my trade as a stone mason that have Tungsten Carbide edges imbedded inn them for precise cutting very quickly . If i try to use the corner or do not seat the whole edge squarely they will chip the corner or chip a peice off the middle. I know their limitations, use and exceptional abilities over carbon steel.
The same goes with what these super steel knives are actually designated. They are edge only knives for rendering game or carving wood. Not an EDC, Camp knife, multipurpose etc..
Like my chisels they excel at their designed work and rarely need sharpening. 01, AUS8, and 1095 are examples of all purpose utility with a huge buffer of misuse tolerance. Its just common sense and economics that have already made super steel knives go the way of ceramic knives as just pure novelty knives that are impractical for field use.
Agreed. I think the super steel market is really just a response to demanding customers who want harder, stronger and "better' steels. Metal types have a broad spectrum for specific purposes. A "mid-grade" steel like AUS8 is a nice compromise for an 'all purpose' knife.
I bought your knife, the APO-1S here in Canada. I am waiting in anticipation for it because it looks like a great knife. I have also watched some of the videos that were hell-bent on destroying your knife... but that doesn't make sense to me in a real-life scenario. Once you feel your knife giving wouldn't your natural inclination be to stop doing what you're doing and try another way around the task instead of trying your hardest to destroy your best tool? I truly believe that you have designed a great knife here and I hope to one day also get my hands on the APO-H in black here in Canada. Thank you.
My favorite steel is 1095 with the proper temper.
My Schrade Frontier SCHF52 uses 1095 and is almost indestructible. And it is about $35. But it is heavy and big at 13".
@Fight ForFreedom2019 BK2 is not 1095. Ka-bar has changed the name of the steel,because many people (that don't know much about knives,ask for 1095.) Ka'bars steel is closer to O1 tool steel properties rather than 1095.Holds it's edge longer and is more difficult to chip.1095 is not so good as people claim it is.That's my personal experience about these steels.
@Fight ForFreedom2019 Ka-Bar Steel:1095 Cro Van or 1095cv,isn't the real name of that steel
The steel that is used by Ka-bar ,
is Sharon 170-06 or SAE alloy 50100B (AISI designation)
Which is between 1095 and O1,closer to O1s characteristics rather than 1095,
I don't care about any of the knives in the video. No dog in this fight, but the first knife was much thinner than the second one. And I imagine the fact that the point broke so quickly is also a sign that it will hold an edge much longer than the one that bent without breaking. You trade a quality here for one over there..
I agree in your choice of Aus 8 steel Lilly. That and 420HC are what my go to camp knifes are made out of. Both are tough but super easy to sharpen, plus high in chromium so they're stainless. I've gone on countless camping trips and never had a problem with either of these steels.
Call me a cheap ass, I don't care lol. But I'd rather replace my Gerber Prodigy straight edge that I bought as a Walmart exclusive for $49.00 than some Bark River / Fallkniven for $200.
Buck knives makes many of their knives with 420HC and their knives are great. Aus8 is a great steel. It's all in the heat treat.
Buzz, you are right on. I really like my 420HC knives also for the same reasons as you. I prefer my Buck 420HC over my Bark River 3V.
You are awesome Lilly! Your channel is excellent! Keep up the great work!
u just can not justify AUS 8 steel for the price u r asking for. AUS 8 is ok. But never ever for the price u r setting ur knives at.
@@cck6591 not called for!
TOP 3 steels are 1.ZDP-189 Japanese steel,2. COWRY-X Japanese steel,3. RWL-34 Swedish steel ( BAYLEY S-4 super knife custom made for Bear Gryls is made of RWL-34 ) .....alternative steels are AUS-8 and AUS-10 and maybe a German D-2 steel...forget other shit .CPM-3V is apparently tough steel but NOT stainless .one update; consider M390 steel too.
Lilly your awesome.. keep it up
Lilly , You know what you are talking about , you really do and it is lovely. You will always have people knit-picking over the smallest of options. Eg AUS-8 and D2 , such a small change for a small price.
I want my heavy duty knives to be heavy duty steal , and you said it perfectly with a cute little . . . accent.
well spoken. the customer is not always right, sometimes they are idiots.
It is so hard to have it all in one package. But I think you are absolutely correct on the way to choose the steel for the job.
Hardened for small work and milder steel for the heavy work.
In my opinion there's a slim chance that we could have the perfect knife but I'll settle for a couple that are perfect for the job. Thanks Lilly for an honest trial and review it's tough to please everyone but you can try to inform them of the choices.
Because i don't want to spend 30 minutes sharpening my knife with a pocket stone when it gets dull outdoors.
Just buy an inexpensive steel rod to touch up your edge.
Or spend no time sharpening..because its still sharp. But I understand where you are coming from.
Dean45 Well, i use my knife a lot and if i spend more than one day outdoors the edge will get noticeable more dull. I do lot of woodcrafting and continuous twisting and scraping in tight angles will get the edge dull no matter how epic the steel is.
@@ReasonAboveEverything
I find that hard to believe unless the steel has poor edge retention. If you're prepared enough to have pocket stones I don't see why you couldn't have a pocket diamond stone.
Dean45 One hour of heavy use will dull any knife. That is just my experience. I prefer to use 1000 grit stone and strop. If i use my F1 i need more stones, coarser stones. I want to use one stone and my belt. I don't want to carry set of pocket stones. This also the reason i dislike Skandinavian grinds. Too much metal to remove.
Well done. I'm with you on this. AUS 8 and 1095 are all you need in the woods. Plus whatever carbon Mora uses. They sharpen easily and don't chip . I hate a knife that chips. I also think that some of the so called super steels are more suited to smaller skinning knives and folders.
its impossible to get good edge retention and not have a brittle steel. I like AUS 8 because its not super hard but if you design the edge correctly it will still retain well and the blade doesn't chip or break at the tip. Great choice in steel Lilly!
It's not impossible, it's just very expensive do it in a stainless steel. By switching to a carbon steel you can do it for much less money, but most people don't want, or know how, to care for them.
@@TheOtherBill you can't have the best of both worlds. some can get close especially by wrapping a thin hard steel center with a softer outer layer of steel but no matter what steel has its weaknesses and you cant make a steel that has all the good qualities and none of the bad.
@@P_RO_ i have better things to do than sit here and debate knives. its its just the properties of steel its either soft and bendable or hard and brittle. ya there are some extreme examples but ultimately there is no knife that will succeed in every aspect. not even a Randall.
@@Trumplican elmax 😉
Good video. I use my knife slashing vines, cutting small saplings, and chopping branches. When slashing or chopping at ground level, I have hit rocks just below the ground surface. This has caused chipping. While it is not hard to repair, it will eventually change the blade shape or cost you some of the blade. The tests you do are realistic for testing a knife for that general use. I do not have the issue with the tip, but the chipping from striking unseen rocks happens too often. Thanks for the tests. Generally, knife steels in the kitchen do not work well in the field.
That's an awesome coat! Classy Lumberjack!
Oh yeah, steels... 1075 HC for me please. Condor tool & knife anyone?
Hi Lilly, I also have the SRK from Cold Steel, except mine is CPM 3V and I absolutely love it. I use it a lot even though I have a lot of knives, this is my go to. I know it’s pricey but wow, it performs amazingly well.
Scientific tests reveal that AUS 8 is mediocre at best in terms of toughness and edge retention, nor is
VG10, compared to other modern super steels. Anecdotal experience is meaningless, Lilly.
Oh whatever dude. Scientists don't go out into the field and test knives. Search & Rescue Teams do, and they love "cheap" AUS8 and 1095 steel SRKs and similar blades. Guys like you who never spend time in the forest beyond a day hike wouldn't know this.
@@JohnB-dr8sk If they had used (had the resources to buy the high end stuff - most do not, on a large scale it would be too expensive) the super steels they would not want to go back to the older, but good, 1095 and/or AUS8. In controlled tests (even in the field), we can see that CPM 3V, 4V, Cruware...outperform the 1095/AUS8 in every metric.
@@jn3750 3V is really good and is an improvement over the older steels. But it is just too expensive for most working people to afford. An AUS8 blade will do almost everything 3V will do at a far cheaper price. 3V and the like are for people with above average incomes. It is a luxury, not a neccessity. If the price came down to AUS8 levels, then I would agree. But it won't because it's more labor intensive to machine.
@@JohnB-dr8sk Id only consider 3v or similar steels for survival scenarios as they have 3-10 times the edge retention and 2-5 times the toughness of the old steels
@@jn3750 If you know how to touch up your blade in the field, then it really doesn't matter to have crazy edge retention. It is so easy I don't even think about it. That's why 3V is just a luxury to me. I guess if you have little to no wilderness and knife sharpening experience, and you have the money, then 3V is probably the way to go.
Just discovered you recently and am loving your point of view and presentation style! I am curently waiting for your knives to come back in stock, can't wait.
What a beautufully graphic demonstration. I'll bet you have some of the big knife makers re-examining their product lines. Carry on and good luck to you !
I don't want to bash knives,,,, bashes knives. Bahahaha. Who treats a knife like that? It's always been the "fear" with every knive, losing the tip with reckless usage.
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You are the best Lily! Keep up the great work! Your hair looks beautiful! Where'd you get the green jacket? Is it wool or fleese? Could you do a video on best fibers/fabrics for survival? Wool, fleece,down,silk,cotton. I would love and appreciate hearing what works best for you in freezing conditions. Try silk longjohns,they're lite wt&warm. No freezing buns off, you need those to sit around on LOL THANKYOU😀😁😃😊
She was testing the knives....
pierre marc Jette really? I totally missed the forward , psa...testing testing, this is only a tick check🤗😎😋😍😄😃😂😀😲 any and all grubs dug in this video were eaten immediately, ticks on the other hand, had any been found, got bashed. Something always smells funny somewhere lol just trying 2 hard 2 🐝funny🐴 i can count on 1 hand knives whose tip broke off? U?2?
pierre marc Jette she's testy bahahaha & so am 👁
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Nice. So glad you clarified these points as it's easy to get a biased view around topics of knife steel and survival performance. And true, very good point about the rock/brick, I hit a rock in the forest by accident and damaged my knife. And had to grind back so much metal to fix it, one tear drop for every grind
Great performance of your APO1!!! It is a beast :)) and you are amazing!
I am a proud owner of a APO-1 and I agree with Lilly’s reasoning for choosing this steel for this application.
Stainless steel is the best for outdoors imo.
Define best
I have a more than 30 years old Falknifen A1 in VG 10, and I gave the blade a thinner edge. I started with the Lansky at 17° what just removed the top layer of steel, changing to 20° what flattened the angle to the last and finishing angle, giving the knife an edge with 25°.
I connected the three facettes by using my strop, using diamond compound.
This way I thinned out the blade-steel. Bade and tip now are showing more VG10 steel. I have a finer cutting edge in a kind of a "V-convex grind", making the former too thick blade a better cutter and hacker.
I was a bit concerned about having so much VG10 exposed on the edge, and especially on the tip.
My knifes get used heavy, I literally beat the living shit out of them. I have a cabin in the woods with two fishing ponds, I spend a lot of time there, and the knife I carry is my main tool there.
The tip and the edge are holding every task that I throw at the knife.
I wrote before that the knife is old, I have it for maybe 30 - 33 years now.
Did they change alloys in the "modern" VG10 they use today, making it more brittle?
By the way: Never have seen breaking the tip of a knife that easy. Was it bend and repaired before?
Type of steel, handle shape and all other aspects of a knife come down to a balance of compromises. Learn how you use a knife and where you can and cannot compromise.
Very well said. Purpose and function should dictate the most important choices in knife design and ultimately compromises are unavoidable.
@@youtubevoice1050 Absolutely, all knife designs are a ballance of compromises. That is exactly why there is no "one knife" or "perfect knife" and I say this as a knife maker and designer, not just an everyday user.
Apo1 has handle and sheath that are better than fallknivn
@@shihab5060 really? Thats great!
@@MakersMovementDIY wise perspective. Respect!
I enjoyed your video as always, Lilly. You explain your preference very well and are respectful of others opinions at the same time.
Lilly? You didn't need to do this. I have YOUR knife the APO-1, there is none better. I use it every day!
I just got an Apo 1 -s and im very happy, it's a great knife. There will always be people complaining anyway so... Love you Lilly , great work!