Blazing Fast but Frustrating - Bambu Lab P1P Review
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- čas přidán 19. 02. 2023
- Reviewing the Bambu Lab P1P that I bought late last year with their surprise announcement of this newest addition to the Bambu Lab X1 3D Printer Lineup
I originally bought 2 X1 Carbon Printers from their Kickstarter then preordered the P1P once it was announced. This machine definitely has its quirks but Speed & Print Quality aren't one of them. Honestly tempted to buy a 2nd P1P 😂
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Most of the things are justified but some are just wild. I think you just got a bad printer. This is exactly what its supposed to be, a stripped down X1. All these people complaining about the screen, you guys want all the upgrades that the x1 has without paying for them. this is what you get for the price you pay! If you have a bigger budget and want all the upgrades, GET THE X1 it’s that simple. The whole purpose of this is to get people into a bambu printer, someone who wants speed and precision, and doesnt care about fancy screens and side panels, but doesnt have the budget for the x1.
Pro Tip. Add an "Old" folder where your print files are, and move the files into that folder once they are printed.
It keeps the active folder almost empty.
Boomer talks like he never touched a file system his entire life...
I've had my P1P for only 3 days now and compared to the 3 printers I currently own (Qidi, X2, Prusa mini)...I'm blown away!
Question, how is your banding? and is the wifi transfer much better? im looking to order one.
No response to person above me. Hopefully you could respond to me🤞.
How is the P1P been for you 5months in?
@@nickhernandez4264 I've been very happy with my P1P. Absolutely love it. I've had my issues with the Bambu slicer but I'm super happy with the machine.
@@GenerlAce sorry for the late response, but the print quality is better than any other printer I've owned. The Wi-Fi transfer has been flawless for me.
@@Clips_For_Life replying here to get a notification too. Looking at P1P for my next printer.
The fact is that below 5k no other printers in the market can achieve this level of part dimensional accuracy out of the box. That was a major advantage we saw when we got these printers. We printed our in house tests and all of them came out great. The X1 Prints the Taulman and 3Dxtech nylons so well that we haven’t had to use the markforged mark 2 for months now.
Nah there are more accurate printers out there. My 5year old MK3s with 8k+ hours holds +-.0003" tolerances. My friends P1P couldn't get better than +-.0012"
@@LilApe I have both a mk3s+ and an X1C and I guarantee my x1c can do more dimensionally accurate prints. You need to lower max volumetric speed in filament settings to get the bambu to slow down, otherwise it's no comparison with one printing at about 3x the speed.
V400 hold my beer
@@marijuanas My mk3 and the P1P were running the same speeds, settings and flow rates. MK3 was still +-.0003 and P1P was +-.0012
What "in house tests"?
Great info on your review. Thanks for making this available to us.
Thanks for the detailed review! I just got the P1P to join my X1 Carbon. They do have their little flaws, but cool printers overall.
Who do you think tosses more wasted plastic into the trash can, you or Uncle Jesse?
I abandoned FDM printers a few years ago, and have been using SLA printers, mostly. This printer has me wanting to get back into FDM. Thanks for the great video!
I have solidly been a resin printer for about 6 years now. FDM has finally gotten to the same out of the box experience that resin is and there are things that FDM can do that resin just cannot hold a candle to and vice versa so time for me to expand my tool box.
Thankfully I've not had any issues like you've encountered. This printer has been amazing. I seem to have been missed by the "slow to send" issues. I've heard others have. Need that LAN mode enabled.
BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESSY!!! HOPE YOU HAVE A BEST YEAR YET!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks!!
I've had the P1P now for a few months. It's my 1st and only 3D printer. After a fairly quick learning curve getting it working properly I've had no issues with it. I have the light, fan and camera and installed (the camera sucks and no timelapse recording available but I've read it's coming). The WiFi has worked perfectly for me every time. The speed has toppled a few project and created a mess so I've had to use a brim more then the default to prevent it, but once I add a brim it works. I'm considering getting the AMS soon too. I'm glad I waited a little longer to purchase my 1st printer and very glad I choose this on.
how does it still hold up? any issues? looking to purchase one soon
@derekvanlimbeek9588 I did have an issue with the print head stuttering. I contacted bamboo labs and after a couple of weeks they narrowed it to a motherboard and sent me a new one. Since then great
Hey do you still feel it is a great printer? I’m looking to purchase as my first 3d printer
Was there ever a camera update?
Thanks
Great Review. I have the X1C and love it. I truly wish all Printer companies would go to a USB drives. Resin printer companies seem to adopt but FDM haven't even started. Also I wish they would all have an actual network card not WIFI. Wifi has a ton of redundancy built into the protocols and I believe that is part of the reason that most of them suck at file transfer. Hard Wire doesn't have that issue. I think I will stick with the X1 for now. Unless they come out with a larger format version of the X1.
the file name of the last print job is actually BBL, short for BambuLab where it was sent from
Okay well that at least makes a little more sense 😂🤣
@@UncleJessy when in the folder section were your files are just press up your newest file you well see lol
@@UncleJessy its still Bad..)
Thanks for yet another great video Jessy! Any thoughts on chassis vibrations / movements when the P1P is running at full speed. Maybe it's the way it should be, but i'm amazed how well it prints, even though it seems to be shaking quite a bit, while running at full speed!? Calibrations have been succesfully run several times.
I have x1c and p1p. I was worried about it too. The machine is smart. Set it on something rigid and let it shake away. Parts come out great anyways.
I have both printers and I would say I’ve had most of the same experiences between the two. If you’re only printing PLA and PETG, as I mostly do, the P1P is wonderful and there isn’t anything really “bad” about it. But using the X1C is just nicer, quicker to transfer and start initiliazing. I have the P1P early bird fan, light and camera add-ons, but the camera is disappointing. I think the lag issues on the display and the camera lag on the app have to be related to whatever control board they are using, and that could be why it takes so much longer to unzip and process the models as well. I’d like to see a better, faster control board that boosts the performance of those things. I’m sure some of them can be tweaked or optimized by firmware updates to be improved, but if it’s a hardware limitation, it’s not going to be quite enough to match the X1C.
I’m planning to do more printing for commercial purposes, and I’m still torn between buying more P1Ps or getting more X1CCs. I love the AMS but it’s not critical for commercial printing of single color items. From a purely dollar perspective, getting two P1Ps for the same price as one X1CC is a no brainer, as you can print almost double the amount in the same time going with two P1Ps. But the user experience of the X1CC and the ease of loading and changing filament on the AMS are so enjoyable, it’s making the decision harder:)
Head-to-head comparisons printing full plates of identical print-in-place models, I have found better results with the X1C. That could be because of the better filament extrusion tweaking, first layer monitoring, or even just the enclosure of the X1C. Kind of ironically, the better results aren’t significant enough to justify the X1C cost, but like Uncle Jessy said, it’s the little things that just make the X1C more enjoyable to use.
Regardless of which you buy, 3D printing is so much more enjoyable because of these printers, and I highly recommend them.
great write up. I have an x1cc w/AMS and need another to expand. Can't decide between p1p and x1cc + AMS, at double the cost its tough but like you said the conveniences add up. Plus if i stay on x1cc i dont have to carry spare parts for 2 different machines.
I am wondering if some of the transfer speeds etc have to do with the touch screen vs "90's radio" maybe some of the compute for that is done with the board running those. Not likely but thats the only real difference between the two that i can see.
@@mekko1413 they’ve actually improved the transfer speeds and start time significantly over the last few months with firmware updates. Not sure what they changed, but it is MUCH quicker now, not really a factor between the two printers now.
Enjoy my X1 with AMS. The interface is worth the extra $. So many advantages over the competition that it sounds nit picky to complain. Looking forward to a larger build offering from Bambu.
Great review! Funny though that at 11:30 mark in the video there are 2 audio files of you playing at the same time, one of them sounds like you talking in the video itself while filming and then your other audio is the voice over, dont know if it was intentional.
But i've been thinking of purchasing the P1P to pair up with my X1C as the cheaper option for 1 material printing but the cloud print speed is my biggest concern if they will be able to improve that further as i love how fast the X1C is after i send the file, all in all i think i wait mabye 2 minutes and i'm in the live camera watching the print start.
After owning the XC1 @AMS since December I am considering a 2nd Bambu. I print mostly with PLA as well. I have been thinking about the P1P as the 2nd unit. After this review I think Ill get a 2nd X1C instead
Thank you for the review, I will wait for another year to purchase Bambu printer.
Got a prusa mini but this will be my next printer for sure.Tnx for the detailed video.
fortunately a lot of the gripes are things that can be fixed with firmware patches. Hopefully Bambulabs is willing to provide updates to the bugs you identified.
Wow. The scale up version and the mini figure look so good
Boy, I was excited about this thing, but not now. Thanks!
Totally agree. I always say I would've been willing to pay $50 more for the same screen as the X1C. It's terrible! Love your videos buddy.
What happened to AnkerMake M5 printer? I thought you backed the Kickstarter. Can you please do a comparison of the AnkerMake M5 and the X1C or P1P?
First of all, thank you for your update. I appreciate your viewpoint as a business owner selling goods manufactured with 3D printers.
As a business owner too, I find it disconcerting that we would spend $700+ or $1500 and don't get any information on the motherboards and modules, except 'motion controllers = Dual-Core Cortex M4.' You buy a laptop at these price points and the hardware descriptions are the very first thing you see. So all I know is anecdotal evidence that the P1P does not have the same motherboard and wifi, that these are stripped down too. Even another "walled garden" company, Apple, shows specifications. The 'Right to Repair' is now law in some states and hopefully soon as national law. By this I mean we should expect full descriptions and layout diagrams.
Is the P1P better than the Creality ender 3D printer, or do you recommend the X1 ? Please reply whenever you have time! I'm super interested
@Uncle Jessy - you’re 4 months down the line with the P1P, have there been any firmware updates that have sorted out your issues yet?
Hey Uncle Jessy, are you using the stock microsd card? I swapped mine out and the downloads are zippier. Hope this helps
Can't wait to order my x1 carbon with ams, question can I swap out the fan with a quiet gaming PC fan?
Oh my god I love that companion cube case. Is that something posted somewhere?
Care to share the brand of the red filament you use for the figure. Thank you 😊 Nice review by the way, honest and precise.
Did you print the minis with the stock nozzle or a 0.2 ?
@UncleJessy, coming from an Ender 3 and wanting to upgrade I’m looking into the P1P. Is it worth it as a next step? I liked the price point over the X1C since the P1P just seems like a bare carbon and I feel like it’s getting a lot of firmware updates to keep pushing it better each time.
It will be a massive print upgrade for you coming from the Ender 3. Print speeds/print quality will blow you mind.
I’m not going to lie, being able to custom build a case for it was the wow factor of the P1P and it’s main selling point to me (besides the speed of course) Thank you for the quick response and for helping me choose my next investment. I don’t ever comment on videos but I enjoy how in-depth your videos are, and the information/feedback you provide. Thank You.
Been running the Anker Make and while they are constantly making firmware/app/desktop app changes (mostly) for the better, we are having a lot of frustrations with it. Considering switching to this printer here shortly.
Although- the Anker make wireless print transfers/control is near flawless, very fast, responsive, camera seems to work well, AI functions are lame, though.
Has any newer firmware upgrade improved things even further?
Do you share your profiles on Patreon for the Bambu x1? Tha miniature looks great, mine have come out pretty bad.
Hi there. You commented about your frustration in linking up to the computer. I had the same problem. It's a PIA until you discover like I did that this links to the 2.5 frequency of WIFI. Not the 5.0. I later found this is some abstract part of their documentation.
Where can you buy the chain? You mentioned that right off the bat? I haven’t heard about that.
You inspired me to send a 9Mb file from the slicer to octoprint on my ender 3 pro. In about 4 seconds printer started it's job
i picked up the X1C Combo to do mostly PLA printing as in the UK its cold and this printer lives in my garage from my experience with my Enders i need a enclosed printer that is fully air tight to print anything well. how well dose the P1P do for keeping in heat when its all coverd up ? as id love another bambu printer and well the X1C is not cheap haha
I have two P1Ps. The first one I got sorts the files from oldest to newest. The second one I got sorts the files from newest to oldest 🤷♂. I also switched out the SD card that came with the printers and the touch screen response seems to be better.
Where did you get your file for the P1P case?
That bottom right corner of the Companion Cube mod also gave me trouble. Had to sand down the tabs a bit and give it a bit of persuasion with a rubber mallet.
Alright I need help I’m looking at printers and in my price range I’m between two, the Bambulabs p1p and the Ender 3 s1 pro? Thoughts
Hi dude, where can i find your enclosure/case pieces? Love the design
Can you do an updated review and possibly review the P1S. I would also love a comparison review of P1S against the Elegoo Neptune 4 pro.
I agree that the control panel sucks on the p1p but making changes to the printer are easy with the Bambu handy app or the Bambu slicer. Also I almost wish I hadn’t put the aux fan on mine. Since 80% of the time I’m printing pla you don’t need the aux fan at all. The camera works on both mine but I almost never use it. I also didn’t waste time on the lights since my workshop is already so bright I don’t need it.
Overall I wish I wouldn’t have waited to buy a Bambu labs printer. The ease of use, speed, and mostly the quality far outshines my other printers. For the first time since I’ve been printing I actually have idle printers from time to time which never happened before. Yeah there are a few minor annoyances, but the positives are way better then the negatives.
im looking to get my first 3dprinter and an thinking of the A1mini (once it comes out). Setting asside its smaller print volume, would is be able to achieve prints comparible to this P1P?
Did the stop making the regular X1? I can only find the X1C now
does anyone know if any of the concerns or the frustrations jessy faced are fixed? I curious about the update.
You can get microSD to full-size SD adapters(bangood/ali etc) that are basically a SD dock with a microSD plug at the end of a ribbon.cable, making a housing for one of those and just gluing it on is quick and easy and makes a world of difference....
Have one that I got for my first printer which was a fiddly wanhao duplicator which has long since (thankfully) given up the ghost, once I get a P1P(within the next few months) I will be using that(full-size SD's are also often cheaper than the same size microSD's)
Would you recommend the P1P over the Elegoo neptune 3 Plus or Max?
Spot on. Great printer, but there are so many little annoyances. From a usability standpoint, the X1/X1C is definitely more user-friendly. A lot of the issues would be fixed by not using such an underpowered MCU.
@Uncle Jesse try a better SD card, you might find that suddenly the screen is a lot more responsive as a result. Especially when you have the camera installed. I have two of these and I found this out randomly by having my own card in one one and the stock one in the other and noticing a massive difference between the two.
It also speeds up downloads and unzipping
Will try. Thanks!
That's Rick Grimes
What outer wall speeds are you using? Two things I changed that basically removed all ringing for me (after dialing in PA and Flow) was printing outer wall first then inner wall. Second, and this one is kind of counter intuitive, bumping up my outer wall speed to 350 and inner to 300. Using almost all PLA this has made prints pretty much perfect.
Boy I wish one could save a comment in youtube to read later.
@@davetriesthis You could copy and past it to a notepad or word processer etc ;-)
Screenshot 😉👍
Where did you get the files for the portal cube shell?
I have the p1p and I have been lucky that everything works lol I never use the touch screen but I love the handy app. I just use it to control everything with it and doing reprints from my history. It has been so much fun to play with. I wish more printers would come with apps, I can set to preheat without being in the room 🤣
you have to be german. as everybody calls "handys" smarphones :D
How loud is the p1p? Can it be used as a desktop printer you think?
@@xIsouLcruSHca not really, the parts cooling fan is pretty loud, and if you have the aux fan, it's really loud! When I am working in my print room on my computer, I wear noise-canceling headphones because it's on the shelf beside my desk.
@@thereisnospacehandy is a synonym for practical/convenient..."Praktische App"
I'd love to know where you got the portal cube outside for the P1P
I have an X1c and been thinking of getting a p1p as well. I'm already used to the nice touch screen and some of the features that it has over the P1P, when i see videos and see the crappy screen and it looks so cumbersome. Maybe i should just hold off and just get another x1c down the line, or an x1.
Jessy
After watching this video and your frustration with the display
I have an idea
If you have a old smartphone laying around or your current smartphone you could print a bracket to mount to the printer maybe with magnets and use the smartphone with Bambu handy as a colored touchscreen while your printing
A 9MB file is loaded into the X1c between 4-8 seconds and not 28 seconds. Maybe there is an additional problem with your network?
WiFi file transfers for my P1P are notably slower than my X1 but usually it's still pretty quick for me but I have enterprise grade wifi at home since I used to deploy enterprise WiFi for corporations. Some home/home office wifi struggle more than others. I do wish they had an Ethernet port option since that would always be quicker and more reliable than most WiFi options (assuming it's done correctly). Thanks for sharing your experiences with your P1P. I do love mine but I'm just frustrated with it a little for the features and performance that it lacks compared to my X1C. I should have just spend the money and gone with another X1 but it's overall not that bad and a decent value I think.
I had my P1P for 4 months now. I agree that it's way better than my mk3s, but there are some prints that the p1p just won't print well. The p1p also has unstable network connections, does not work at all with octoprint, and doesn't turn off after a print job. Other than that, the p1p is total worth it!
Here's how I made my wireless file transfer faster-buy a faster SD card. I had another issue with my printer and Support had me change out cards. After doing that I noticed my transfer speeds got way faster! Go buy the fastest out there (I got a U3, A2 model) and you should see improvements.
How does it compare to Ankermake M5? Which one is the better option to go for?
Does the ringing problem happen with the X1C as well or is it something in particular with the P1P model?
X1 as well
Does the P1P have the power fail resume capability? I'm curious if it works since it doesn't work on my X1C Carbon. Had several power failures while printing and it always screws up after the power is restored. My cheap Qidi iMates flawlessly recovers after power failures...every time.
Per your P1P issue with Wifi connection, try removing the foam tape cover over the extender board located behind the top crossbar. I found my antenna was being interfered with by this part. I used a cell phone Bluetooth find program to identify the low power condition.
With my ender pro I always use the sd card and walk to my printer. I guess that if I keep that routine, most problems are solved.
Took me a while, but when you click on Print Plate and the new window opens up you can name your file whatever you want up at the top of the screen to find it to reprint it it’s kind of annoying I would like to name it eariler before I hit that print screen button, but at least there is a way
Had the same issue with the sluggish display. Replacing the SD card fixes the issue the one included is garbage. For the camera issue remove and re add the printer in the app.
Can the data be sent directly to the printer or only via the cloud? (Apart from the SD card).
what do you prefer more a bambo or an ankermake m5?
Just purchased mine to replace my problem laden cr10 smart. Hope it treats me better then Creality did.
What I am missing in every review is that the reverse bowden follows a different path than on the X1. That makes me wonder whether you can change that to have it fully enclosed? Without that you are limited in material choice, even if you enclose the sides.
You can print an adapter that goes in the slot on the back of the printer and pull the bowden through there, then you can enclose it fully
I had a similar issue with the camera and got it to work after watching another video going over the change log for the latest firmware. After updating they expect you to delete the printer from the app an add it again but do not tell you that during or after the update.
This should be pinned. :)
said you like the elegoo neptune 4 pro or bambu for print quality
I absolutely hate when I have to do small print jobs and then it purges more filament than I used for the entire print. Does anyone know how to stop the purging all together because I only do single color prints? (I dont have an AMS)
Wow that companion cube is the best idea. Did you print all the shell on the P1P ? ❤
I saw another video, they give u the print file to print the cover.
It seems like the file management is very much designed around sending gcode directly from the slicer. The BBL seems like a placeholder for all the files that're sent in. It's definitely a system that makes sense but got to be improved.
It goes to the SD card accessibility too. The slot isn't designed to be used frequently.
Yeah the good news is a lot of my complaints seem like they can be fixed by updates
You're right, the printer likely has a defined slot for the current print job which is BBL. Anythng you send to it is probably being loaded into that bit of memory and printed from there. So it's essentially the working ram.
the stagetop frame being printed. nice
did they fix any of these issues since this review?
The small little screen is definitely the worst part of the P1P but 9th months later my recently purchased p1P doesn't have any kind of wifi issue. Teaching Tech has a video about adding a touch screen and that's the one upgrade I'd be tempted to try.
For me the unzipping and downloading also took ages. I switched to a faster sd card and that resolved the issue.
On the P1P you should be able to see your print time with the Bambu handy app
Hmmm interestingg, does it do solid infill?
Are a lot of these frustrations fixable with firmware updates?
Completely agree with everything. That being said it's still my daily printer and I've completely stopped using my enders.
😂 yeah I already am debating on a 2nd p1p
@@UncleJessy as much as there are problems it's still pretty good first try
Have there been improvements since this video was made 7 months ago?
Strange, i have had none of the network issues you mention. Mine transfers via wifi in about 20-30 seconds and starts the calibration / leveling right away.
i did have same issues as you with camera.
either way, its the best printer (my 9th), i have ever owned and im ditching my prusas immediately. cant believe they did this well on their first try, that immediately makes all my prusas seem like an ancient and huge pain to work with.
Same. Not to say it doesn’t happen (he documented it very well for all to see) but I haven’t had those issues in the last 3 weeks I’ve had the printer and it’s been going non stop. I did however immediately update to the latest FW and put in a Sandisk UHC SD card as soon as I set the printer up. It’s an amazing upgrade compared to my Prusa’s.
After having so many issues with my Ender 3 (still not working after 2+ years), I am planning on making this my next printer in the next few months. Now what to do with that Ender...
Will be adding some chapter marker time stamp thingies here after I have a coffee 😂☕
To this day man has not finished his coffee 😂
The coffee is taking preeetty long dude
Holy Juan Valdez, that’s gotta be one beeeg coffee 🤣
Hey Uncle Jessy,
Regarding your WIFI issues I was having a bunch of similar issues, But I figuring out it only works reliably on a 2.4G WIFI band. If you are using 5g or WIFI 6 it will never work as intended. I have no issues with print jobs when both devices are on the 2.4 band. Thanks for the video :)
Yep. 2.4g… unfortunately an issue at home & at my studio when trying to use it
@@UncleJessy pc lan to p1p wifi 2.4 ghz in the basement through a concrete ceiling download and unpack about 2-4 minutes
greetings from Germany👌👌
If you know any SSID in your location, you can change your wifi station channel to avoid interference.
wifi station performance also influence transmit quality.
2.4G only have 11 channels,it could easily overlap and interference each other.
When are you going to do an ankermake m5 review?
Would you suggest this for printing cosplay props?
It’s a dream of mine to make my own Halo Spartan armor and I’m doing research on printers to do so.
100%
You sold me and...then...you didn't. Thanks! Love your content!
Can you use cura with these printers?
The Bambu printers seem nice but I'm not a fan of propriatary software, you get stuck with bugs too often. The reason it's fast is the same reason Vorons etc are, the CoreXY motion system it uses. If it could run Klipper I would consider one.
Nice video! When is your .6mm nozzle video coming?
Any day now 😬🤘