The Falling Birthrate Is Destroying America | Catherine Pakaluk
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- čas přidán 19. 09. 2023
- In this episode:
- Catherine Pakaluk joins the podcast to discuss her forthcoming book, Hannah’s Children, about women having large families amongst a culture of childlessness
- the limits of economic and family policy in reversing the falling birthrates, and what really drives our demographic decline
- Marlo and Catherine talk about the various joys and challenges that come with motherhood, both of one child and of many children
Texts Mentioned:
Hannah’s Children: The Stories of Women Quietly Defying the Birth Dearth by Catherine Pakaluk
The Birth Dearth by Ben Wattenberg
“Jordan Peterson Interviews Presidential Candidate Vivek Ramaswamy”
Coming Apart by Charles Murray
Get Married by Brad Wilcox
The Two Parent Privilege by Melissa Kearney
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I’m still listening but I’m part of the demographic of college educated women that have decided to either have one or none. Most of the women who I know who are choosing not to have children or multiple children have said
1) children are expensive. Childcare costs thousands per kid per month plus their regular expenses.
2) most women are expected to work in the home and outside of the home and be the primary caregiver for the children and the responsibilities of home. Not having children is opting out of extra, unpaid, unrecognized work.
3) a lot of women don’t have support. We don’t have a community or family to help us take care of the children. Most jobs require that women return to work after 2 months.
And lastly, a lot of women are child free but not by choice. They are unpartnered. They want kids but don’t have anyone to have kids with.
I think there are responses to each of these incentives. I'm also college-educated, but I have 2 kids already and I plan to have more God willing. I'm 29 and my kids are 22 months and 2 months.
1) Children are expensive--but not as expensive as people think. Similar to weddings--you don't need to spend $30,000 on a wedding, but people think it's necessary. A wedding doesn't have to cost anything at all, or you can keep your expenses minimal. Same goes for kids--you may have to make sacrifices, but there are many ways to make it more affordable. The problem is that in that case your priority must be "what must I do to budget this" rather than "can I afford kids and also have the lifestyle I desire." As for childcare--I wouldn't suggest anyone have kids that isn't willing to do at least most of the childcare yourself. Why would you give the most important part of parenthood away to someone who is likely paid minimum wage?
2)Each individual woman has the ability to choose how and when they work. I have 2 kids, I work part-time, and my husband works and is in grad school. We make a lot of sacrifices. I don't see the work I do in the home as unrecognized or unimportant. It may be invisible to most people, but that doesn't make it unimportant. Being paid isn't always what makes work worthwhile.
3) I also don't have a whole lot of support. We also don't have any family living nearby. But we as individuals are at least partially responsible for creating our own community, I think primarily through friendships and church.
4) Unpartnered women are unfortunately another topic. I think there are varied causes for this, but one of the main causes is the idea of needing to find our "soulmate."
I see this all day long w my girl friends
Most people came from a large family but each gent has less and less kids. I think people now are barely making it with the cost of living and don’t want the responsibility of kids. Women also know everything falls onto them alone at the end of the day and we saw our grandmother have all those baby’s and didn’t want that. Also only rich people can afford 5 kids daycare alone cost $1800 a child most can’t afford that.
Gotta love it; the reason we’re selfish and not having enough kids is, checks notes, that we didn’t grow up around enough babies. Yeah, totally not circular at all 😂
“Caregiving is a skill” just not one people should be gainfully paid for
The dude on the right just looks dumbfounded the whole time and it’s hilarious
My aunt was very religious catholic and had 5 kid, she worked sometimes but was stay at home too a lot of the time. The problem is all her kids are successful and none has more than 2 kids. The “super matriarch” does not engender the same in her kids. Probably the opposite in many cases. That’s what you need to overcome.
The atheism subreddit is full of people who hated their hardcore religious parents ways and did the exact opposite.
@@skylinefever no, all my cousins love their Mamma but she didn’t raise them especially religious it was more a personal belief system
I wish I could've managed student loan payoff, housing payment, realistic transportation option, food and basics for 8+ people when I was young and then started career/work later. This is a luxury we couldn't really even fathom.
That dude just chillin listening to this whole talk
Next study; what attributes/characteristics of the moms who have large families contribute to their kids also having large families. I just don’t see this.
The only way to improve brith rate is have a verry good wealth redistribution system.
Being birn into a large family does not mean the children will also have big familes themselves.
Yep anecdotally my mom was the oldest of 10 and only had 3
@@mmecharlotte we had 10 brothers and sisters. All of them have 2. I have zero.
WE TOLD WOMAN WORK MORE IMPORTANT THAN REPRODUCTION
Um
..what about parents who abandon their families...or divorce...or single parents?
There are people who shouldnt be parents.
Indeed. However, many "Go have a bunch of kids" crowds assume everyone will have the "I never wanted kids till I had one" story. Nevermind the masses of dudes who go buy a pack of smokes and don't return.
I suggest about 90% of people should not be parents.
@@garybarr1045 Be careful what you wish for... at present rates it might come true
Why listen to these experts who are the reason all our problems exist.
Pretty sure quite many problems are inherent to living beings regardless of these experts
I hope the population continues to plummet. The land is only so plentiful and resources are becoming more scarce. So many people are already suffering. The problem is America built the economy so big that it needs to keep the population of us worker bees high to support this artificial system, and if the amount of workers starts decreasing, the system will fail, as it should.
We have plenty of resources to go around its false that resources are becoming more scarce theyre actually becoming more abundant.
Sounds like a not very well thought out point that you’re making with no rational reason or evidence to support it. I think the evidence would show that in this country we could easily take double the population, possibly Triple, and with good land management and management of our resources we could support Under 1 billion people here of our agriculture goes for things other than feeding our own people, but it goes into products and food stuffs that feed the world. If you’re just simply anti-people, I understand but America is not Nigeria where the birth rate is an average of seven per family seven children were not even replacement rate and I’ve been on a city decline since 1960. That’s why you see the big push for illegal immigrants in partbecause there aren’t simply enough bodies to do the regular work that needs to be done to keep a society moving forward. No we’re not destroying the planet the environment got a lot better in the past 56 years especially
Yes continue bring immigrants 😂😂😂😂😂
@@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894 That's a dumb idea of the powers over us. I can't control what stupid decisions they make. All I can hope for is that women wise up up and stop reproducing so much with males.
you got that right!
Large family needs to be a thing of the past do to all the automation that has replaced humans in the workforce jobs that once did is done by robots now,plus they say more jobs are going to be done robots now.we just don't need that many people now
For their ideal husband I would imagine many women in their 20s would say he needs to be earning 6 or 7 figures? This means only 1% of men are attractive enough to have babies with, hence women delaying family planning in hopes they'll meet said man.
@@jaumartinez9006invest in ai relationship, you’re welcome
as a guy tho, here in the U.S., you need at least six figures to support a family, and if that fam consists of two kids, you better be earning a fair deal over that threshold.
Many men are also kind of bitchy u don't blame women for preferring their single lives.
Money won't buy a sustainable environment. Depopulation will. End of story.
@@roberte.6892 idk I feel like 89500 a year with a stay at home wife allows you to have as many kids as you want. Look at our tax structure.
Parentification is also not goid
I fail to understand how birthrate can be a problem in the west.
There are many people in Africa and the Middle East who would love the opportunities that migration to the West would give them
Migration is a form of invasion. Nobody wants to be invaded.
They should be building up their own countries.
Greed, individualism. Nothing is ever enough for I, me, mine
@19:56 she says basically no country can afford to actually pay for children to be raised 😅
Children should be children, not mini parents.
Completely missed the point
Destroy, you mean shrink
..when she knows more than she speaks..why?
I have 7 kids 2 in college and my girl/wife is pregnant 🎉🤓🎊🧚🍼🚀🎠💒😝🌋🍹🛸💃🏽🕺🏾
A kid costs approximately $1 million to raise without going into debt or becoming impoverished. Do you have $7 million in your bank account or tied in investments to subsidize your parenting or are you relying on social security, government stimulus, or credit card debt?
Plantation buck, your master would be so proud!
ALL your kids will have 2 or 1 or none
@@evilds3261That's total nonsense lol. Kids do not cost nearly that much, and each subsequent child costs less because you already own the things you need. Even if you include college they don't cost a million a piece though, and you don't owe your kids a college education!
@@bridgetgressI'm just saying it costs that much if you want to provide them with an ideal life. Also, you could be losing out on making that amount of money due to all the costs associated with children - such as how much effort parenting is and how that can ensure that you are too busy raising kids to be making more money at another job or having a side gig or something. But yeah, no, you have a point... kids are more like $300,000 to $500,000 to raise to age 18... and that's if they can even move out of the house by that age. But if you add that up to 7, then you go into the millions.
There will be many very lonely women when they get into their 70's 80's and 90''s.
They're already lonely, by then they will be used to it as if it were a normal lifestyle.
Men die early by 85%. They were already bf going to not have a partner in that age range.
@@user-od5fh3gn4d that's just not true suicides are going up in childless women it's not going down
I...me can't afford me , my how can I . Not much we , our or he. Truth hurts and it will get worse. Sin has a price and the hate , jealousy from Feminism has fruited.
how many kids have these three people produced?