Ranking Every Legendary Machine Gun in Destiny 2 for Endgame PvE

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  • čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
  • And now we're on to heavy weapons! The most highly requested option was machine guns, so we're starting with the add clear specialist powerhouse. Sorry if the music got a bit loud towards the end, I used a long track and didn't normalize the volume correctly :(
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    Timestamps:
    00:00 Intro
    01:22 Archetypes
    02:48 Perks
    08:12 A Fine Memorial
    09:14 Archon's Thunder
    09:50 Avalanche
    11:37 Chain of Command
    12:55 Circular Logic
    14:43 Commemoration
    16:37 Corrective Measure
    17:43 Eleatic Principle
    18:57 Fixed Odds
    20:19 Planck's Stride
    21:34 Qua Xaphan V
    23:07 Qullim's Terminus
    24:24 Recurrent Impact
    25:41 Retrofit Escapade
    27:11 Seventh Seraph SAW
    28:38 Shattered Cipher
    29:40 Song of Ir Yut
    31:12 Terminus Horizon
    32:34 THE SWARM
    33:44 Thermal Erosion
    34:28 Unwavering Duty
    35:40 Outro
  • Hry

Komentáře • 542

  • @trixdodge
    @trixdodge Před 9 měsíci +363

    If the swarm gets placed anywhere above non-starter, we’re gonna have a problem buddy

    • @cyclo_17
      @cyclo_17 Před 9 měsíci +7

      Facts, facts, facts

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 Před 9 měsíci +120

      Swarm Grenade (I throw my useless machine gun at the adds)

    • @max73916
      @max73916 Před 9 měsíci

      it’s so shit lmao

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +23

      Hahaha

    • @ohyphn9687
      @ohyphn9687 Před 9 měsíci +7

      I love the swarm, just wish it was better

  • @steffens260
    @steffens260 Před 9 měsíci +193

    The frustration watching you throw orbs towards your teammates in the corrupted strike at the beginning.

    • @lt3880
      @lt3880 Před 9 měsíci +44

      5 years this strike has been out and every time I matchmake its apparently someone else's first time. awful mechanic.

    • @Ahamkeira
      @Ahamkeira Před 9 měsíci +4

      the boss later was so much worse too

    • @whiterose2321
      @whiterose2321 Před 9 měsíci +14

      And those teammates will be the same ones that one matchmade raids

    • @whiterose2321
      @whiterose2321 Před 9 měsíci +5

      *want

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +62

      LMAO haha they extended the strike length to the perfect length for this video intro though so shout out to them :D

  • @EdenPorterMusic
    @EdenPorterMusic Před 9 měsíci +76

    Avalanche should probably lose a point because it has a total dog tier inventory size stat. It holds 270 max reserves compared to 348 for Commemoration. (check Mossy’s inventory sheet for more data) Ammo availability is definitely good nowadays but holding more than 20% less ammo at max is notable.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +50

      I actually didn't know that! My recommendation is Unwavering regardless but that's actually quite significant, thanks for the note!

    • @MeDsCP
      @MeDsCP Před 8 měsíci

      Avalanche also feels terrible to use.

  • @lilydusk5042
    @lilydusk5042 Před 9 měsíci +39

    A really cool synergy on the Strand LMG with Tricorne is with Mindspun Invocation on Warlock. The Strand suspend bursts count as grenade damage which can proc Tricorn x2 if the suspend burst kills an add. This can be combined with Verity's Brow to increase the damage of the suspend burst to give a really solid add clear loop.

    • @zachcunningham9054
      @zachcunningham9054 Před 9 měsíci +3

      It also works really well with the newest hunter exotic moth gauntlets since the moths count as a grenade and you get 3 grenades for some reason when combining them with the strand class

    • @kyleb4781
      @kyleb4781 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@zachcunningham9054 A hunter aspect gives an extra grenade charge. That said, the hunter aspects for strand RN are really good so it's kinda hard to justify the extra grenade charge on mothkeepers imo.

  • @Ysl489
    @Ysl489 Před 9 měsíci +46

    I kinda get, that chain of command is lacking perk diversity and also is a stasis machine gun, so it doesn’t have the benefit of destroying elemental shields. But demo ad junkie is literally the roll u use corrective measure for, so I think it deserves atleast a spot in the B-Tier

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +23

      Honestly it was just a perk diversity issue, I'm working on figuring out how to factor that in less

    • @talialevi2723
      @talialevi2723 Před 9 měsíci +4

      ​@@TheAegisRelicmight want to consider two scores: a perk diversity score and a god roll score

    • @owensparker1876
      @owensparker1876 Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@TheAegisRelicJust a suggestion but as far as awarding points for perks you might want to consider only awarding points for the best in slot perk. If there’s multiple that are viable then points for each one but if there’s a single roll on a weapon that’s objectively the best pairing then those being the contributing factor to the overall score would be more representative. An additional point or two as a diversity bonus for a weapon with a lot of viable perks could be a substitute so versatile weapons aren’t undervalued.

    • @nothingimportanthere2082
      @nothingimportanthere2082 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@TheAegisRelicAdd two or three tiers of points for perks/perk combinations. You can diversify your decision making that way.

    • @arandomcomp2427
      @arandomcomp2427 Před 9 měsíci

      One for all is much better than adrenaline junkie . In any situation that you can get adrenaline junkie you can also proc one for all with less trouble and you don't need final blows wich makes it much more consistent in group content .

  • @paul2725
    @paul2725 Před 9 měsíci +14

    finally an Aegis video on the best weapon architype for boss dmg, always use machine guns for boss dps to be optimal. Great video!

  • @fartmicrowave
    @fartmicrowave Před 9 měsíci +20

    I'm so glad you're doing the heavy weapons too, not because I don't know what I want or what is good with heavy weapons, but just because I love to hear your insight. There's always something to learn from you it feels like.

  • @SavvyMon4
    @SavvyMon4 Před 9 měsíci +72

    If I had a nickel for every time Bungie added an Arc rapid fire machine gun without voltshot, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but weird it happened twice right?

  • @RoaringEgg
    @RoaringEgg Před 9 měsíci +4

    Loving this series. Giving me new goals in this game

  • @vohvo2306
    @vohvo2306 Před 9 měsíci +32

    This man just cannot catch a break (and I'm all for it)

  • @reesalas
    @reesalas Před 9 měsíci +11

    i feel like affinity is a huge thing for the most part, like you said empyrean extensions for solar but also arc for getting ionic traces and void for volatile.

  • @LeJunny
    @LeJunny Před 9 měsíci +18

    Unwavering Duty is HEAVILY underrated, I have a Subsistence/Killing Tally or Incandescent roll that never comes off my Starfire Protocol build. and Song of Ir Yut is honestly my favorite gun in the game at the moment, personally I think it dethrones Commemoration especially for my play style

    • @Narfwak
      @Narfwak Před 9 měsíci +1

      it really, really is. killing tally is an insane perk so subsistence on top of that is just actually perfect

    • @cleanboi9136
      @cleanboi9136 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@Narfwakcommemoration gets subsistence

    • @hahayay1086
      @hahayay1086 Před 9 měsíci +1

      i got rid of my subsistence w incandescent before the machine gun buffs man i regret that shit so hard

    • @seffers4788
      @seffers4788 Před 9 měsíci

      @@Narfwakkilling tally is just another 30% damage perk. It’s cool that it can stay for a whole mag but it’s not the beast that it used to be

    • @Th3_a_g4m3
      @Th3_a_g4m3 Před 3 měsíci

      @@seffers4788laughs in actium war rig Titan

  • @Kaeiand
    @Kaeiand Před 9 měsíci +15

    For anyone keen to try it out: I feel that Recurrent Impact's Subsistence + Headstone roll is a monster for both ability regen (via Whisper of Shard's insane values) and AoE ad clear (doubly so with Whisper of Fissures).
    If anyone is a fan of Stasis Warlock for instance, I'd definitely try it out-if you're looking for an ability/ad-clear focused weapon, it feels even better than a conventional Demo+FFly roll on a MG like Corrective Measure, or a straight AJunkie+Demo roll on Chain of Command IMO.

    • @everettegreenlee4998
      @everettegreenlee4998 Před 9 měsíci +3

      That and the origin perks is honestly one of the best in the game imo

    • @-Benja
      @-Benja Před 9 měsíci +1

      How do i get it

    • @everettegreenlee4998
      @everettegreenlee4998 Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@-Benja It was a season of the risen weapon so when dead messenger exotic quest comes back around you can get it

    • @zacharygardner6736
      @zacharygardner6736 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Not to mention it’s ability to deal with both overload and unstop champs! I have the same roll and it’s a monster.

  • @Technizor
    @Technizor Před 9 měsíci +4

    ALH / Cascade Avalanche is pretty fun when it works. If you are shotgun swapping on Nezarec for some reason, the crits on his chest spot will activate Cascade, and then when you are Cascading all over him, your ALH shotguns can reload. The main issue with it is just the ammo inventory is terrible for no particular reason. It's got significantly less ammo than any other 450, and the ammo inventory buff back in Lightfall or Seraph? buffed every single LMG equally by approximately +1 magazine, so that issue is proportionally diminished, but still comes up sometimes.

  • @zacharygardner6736
    @zacharygardner6736 Před 9 měsíci +1

    More clutch content from you as always! Thanks for all you do!

  • @davidbarsky1969
    @davidbarsky1969 Před 9 měsíci +14

    I think this is a pretty good ranking! One bit of feedback: I’d suggest considering the inventory stat of each machine gun. For example, Unwavering Duty has the highest inventory stat of any machine gun, which translates to a pretty substantial increase in reserves. It’s not as important as, say, Reconstruction, but it is a very pleasant quality of life upgrade that, combined with Subsistence/Incandescent, pushes me to rank Unwavering Duty over Commemoration.

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Unwavering Duty enjoyer has entered the chat, I see
      (OP's a clanmate)

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +11

      Yeah someone told me Avalanche has substantially lower reserves than most LMGs for some reason which is weird

    • @davidbarsky1969
      @davidbarsky1969 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@TheAegisRelic Yeah, Avalanche is a weird one. It has aim assist and perks that are _wildly_ out of band for a holiday event, but I suspect that Bungie decided that they’ll tone this LMG down by slashing its ammo reserves, which, fair.

  • @xorrof
    @xorrof Před 9 měsíci +2

    Man I don’t know what it is but I could watch these videos all day. Love the vids man ❤

  • @TheMrMayo
    @TheMrMayo Před 9 měsíci

    There we are! The heavies have begun!
    And for my favourite weapon type, too! :D
    Cheers for the videos! Keep up the dedication!

  • @ryan5858
    @ryan5858 Před 9 měsíci +1

    i’ve been using avalanche with sub incan for the past few months, feels so good when i never have to reload and keeping up my restoration + huge explosions + incandescent kills proc subsistence

  • @astralluv2051
    @astralluv2051 Před 9 měsíci +2

    A nice buff that the Qua Xaphan V gets, is the Cassoid Wild Card origin trait! You create a bunch of mini exposives to add onto your Destabilizing or other damage

  • @shaunmacready701
    @shaunmacready701 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I love how S-Tier is Void, Solar and Arc your accuracy on ranking is so spot on

  • @jackferdinger4180
    @jackferdinger4180 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Trying to lead the Blueberries in the beginning of this video was incredibly poetic in a video talking about endgame

  • @NingenSlayerZamasu
    @NingenSlayerZamasu Před 9 měsíci +2

    Commemoration is giving me memories of 21% delirium and hammerhead. I miss those guns and wish they came back.

  • @TheRealDigitalDecaf
    @TheRealDigitalDecaf Před 9 měsíci +1

    Terminus Horizon with Demo + Well/AdJunk is really good on a Hunter Shinobu build. Synergizes well with arc and it completely covers any gaps in your grenade uptime which on that build is already very small since you can pretty much just constantly chuck grenades. It was really great to find as a new player

  • @jonathanfisher3916
    @jonathanfisher3916 Před 9 měsíci +1

    BaS surprised me with how good it is on song. If you are running something like an auto loading waveframe it’s very easy to have the perk up all the time, and it’s a hefty damage bonus. I like it when my build requires using multiple guns, and I can’t just run around with a KT commemoration out all the time.

  • @pigs_luv_bacon5624
    @pigs_luv_bacon5624 Před 9 měsíci

    The randoms in the Corrupted elevator almost killed me man! That was way too funny 🤣

  • @mrfluffsalot8587
    @mrfluffsalot8587 Před 7 měsíci +1

    The Swarm actually has a niche use in the Ghosts of the Deep dungeon with a Genesis/Target Lock roll. It carried me in my day one, two man clear because I never had to reload from all the shield breaks. If another activity with a lot of shielded enemies comes up again (Shadow legion overhsields/Moth shields), A Swarm with Genesis is what I’m bringing for an MG.

  • @geoffreysmith3907
    @geoffreysmith3907 Před 9 měsíci +2

    chain of command deserves to be higher imo. demo AJ is such a simple yet effective combo and the fact that you don't have to grind out red borders to get the roll you're looking for is really approachable for new players

  • @seanl7503
    @seanl7503 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Retrofit Escapade not being at least A-Tier is the hottest take ive seen all year

  • @eri_sister_of_aerial
    @eri_sister_of_aerial Před 9 měsíci +3

    Recurrent Impact's one saving grace is its Origin Trait which grants increased resilience and damage resistance which is nice especially for LMGs

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +2

      Yeah it's a nice bonus

    • @eri_sister_of_aerial
      @eri_sister_of_aerial Před 9 měsíci

      @TheAegisRelic I got the same combo I have of Circular Logic on my Song of Ir Yut and while it's the same story...the machine gun feels good and puts in work ♡

  • @friendlyelites
    @friendlyelites Před 9 měsíci +1

    Underrated combo on Corrective Measure is Rewind/HIR, it lets you sit with the damage buff from HIR for significantly longer than other weapons can and doesn't require you to get kills or be near allies or hit 3 different enemies. For general use my Adept Corrective Measure with that roll has been the best workhorse machine gun in the game.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +3

      You are much better off using something like OFA if you're looking for a maximized damage perk + you shouldn't be firing an LMG for that long anyways

  • @CallMeCarpe
    @CallMeCarpe Před 9 měsíci

    I love when I can recognize exactly what lofi beats Aegis picked for the background music

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci

      Really??? I got them from copyright free compilation vids lol

  • @Zurrke
    @Zurrke Před 9 měsíci

    Literally my fave content creator right now 😂

  • @Swup
    @Swup Před 9 měsíci +1

    Yah you are definitely my favorite Destiny CZcamsr at the moment. What’s even more impressive to me, what newer viewers may not know is you are literally so much more goated in game, even with the amount of knowledge you have (which is literally facts not takes or opinions) like this is literally what the best stuff in the game is. Take notes if you are wanting to get better at the game, this is the only reason Aegis is going in depth and explaining everything😂.

  • @Nuptup
    @Nuptup Před 9 měsíci +4

    I think retrofit should definitely either be the top of it's tier, or bottom of A tier strictly because no other LMG in the game can do what it does, and it's enhanceable, but generally agree with your placements. Another great list, for sure.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +2

      Unfortunately its unique niche isn't particularly useful in endgame, but I see what you're saying

    • @arandomcomp2427
      @arandomcomp2427 Před 9 měsíci +1

      ​@TheAegisRelic having consistent damage is still usefull in burning down champions and bosses. While they aren't dedicated raid boss melters but people still use them on nightfall bosses.

  • @Aj-py8en
    @Aj-py8en Před 9 měsíci +2

    I like using circular logic with golden tricorn, Verity's, and mindspun. Eat a grenade and then as you get kills those suspend waves will finish off a few enemies and give you thay 50% buff. Not the best since its first column is missing some good perks, but fun nonetheless

  • @LightCrib2
    @LightCrib2 Před 9 měsíci +1

    planck's Stride has a memey spray and pray combo with One For All and Mulligan

  • @mogawaa
    @mogawaa Před 9 měsíci +2

    I will say I think avalanche has a stronger origin trait than unwavering if you're wanting to use it for incandescent specifically

  • @The_Ithilium
    @The_Ithilium Před 9 měsíci

    consuming your shackle grenade with weavers trance and veritys brow, while using a circular logic with tricorn puts out insane aoe damage and keeps tricorn 2 procced the entire time you have weavers trance which comes back super fast with veritys. As well as veritys buffing the explosions from weavers trance to get you those "grenade kills" for tricorn! SUPER UNDERRATED

  • @Green_Sentinel_3
    @Green_Sentinel_3 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Planck's Stride has Grave robber & swashbuckler; both feed into the origin trait & synergize easily for any melee build. No other machine gun has this perk combo for a melee build.
    It is the best arc rapidfire machine gun for an arc melee build & is at least a C tier weapon. (I personally say B tier as a punchy Titan/arc hunter.)

    • @Deeeeve
      @Deeeeve Před 9 měsíci +1

      It was literally made for arc melee builds. It's so good with Point contact Canon brace. I fully agree with B tier. It has one job and it's very good at it.

  • @brandendunagan8822
    @brandendunagan8822 Před 9 měsíci

    Oh one thing to note with circular logic is that it pair well with the hunter whirling maelstrom because tangle kills count for golden tricorn..

  • @evstar14
    @evstar14 Před 9 měsíci

    That corrupted gameplay with the ball throwing is ELITE!

  • @ohyphn9687
    @ohyphn9687 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Love this series

  • @ItsInigma
    @ItsInigma Před 9 měsíci

    Streets been waiting for this one

  • @CBBeresford
    @CBBeresford Před 9 měsíci +9

    My Saw with auto reload and vorpal hasn’t left my inventory since I got it. It absolutely shreds.

    • @davidhatfield1899
      @davidhatfield1899 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Love this roll, I think Banshee sold it at one point.

    • @Whats_Up_Dot
      @Whats_Up_Dot Před 9 měsíci +1

      fr, I have the same roll and it's one of my favorite guns in the game. super versatile even in GMs

  • @kenja0685
    @kenja0685 Před 9 měsíci +1

    One of the biggest things that you overlooked with ranking the Machine Guns is the viability of their Origin Perks.
    Commemoration is not just the best LMG due to perk combinations like Reconstruction and Killing Tally, but it also has the best Origin perk you would ever want to have. Regenning all of your abilities 1% for every bullet hit is absolutely insane and exceeds the like of weapons that use Demo.
    In the same vein Cursed Thrall is very useful for melee builds on Song of Ir Yut.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Some things:
      Bray Inheritance only charges ~0.4% per hit on Commemoration
      There is not a single LMG with an origin trait significant enough to shift it a tier
      LMGs do not mesh well with melee builds imo (on most of those you are using Tractor for obvious reasons)

    • @lordsucuk9316
      @lordsucuk9316 Před 9 měsíci +1

      I was also surprised he didn't mention Planck's Strides origin perk, it makes for a perfect melee synergy which is the only thing this LMG has really going for it. Not that it is particularly meta, but the combination of Graverobber, Swashbuckler and Right Hook is so unique it's at least worth mentioning.
      So putting this weapon 2 tiers lower than Shattered Cipher is hard to agree with.

  • @luckmyst3r986
    @luckmyst3r986 Před 9 měsíci +3

    I do think Qullium's Terminus Headstone Unrelenting on a stasis build is pretty solid, other than that I agree with every single one

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 Před 9 měsíci

      It's fun, and I almost brought it up, just not as practical as most other things you can do with a machine gun considering how rough their reload situation is.

    • @keviniaquinto128
      @keviniaquinto128 Před 9 měsíci

      I run the harrowed version with that roll on my stasis hunter

  • @doctorstrangepants6706
    @doctorstrangepants6706 Před 8 měsíci

    I have a Fixed Odds with Field Prep and incandescent. It was the final push that helped my fireteam beat our first GM! Couldn't really use Commemoration in that one because we didn't have any surges or overcharges to buff it. Commemoration is still my favorite machine gun, and is totally worth the 6 hrs of farming i had to do.

  • @scottishboy112
    @scottishboy112 Před 9 měsíci

    Being someone who doesnt do really any endgame things though have solo’d a dungeon or two, seeing A Fine Memorial at B at least makes me happy with my roll.
    I got Auto Loading + Demo and it’s never left my Warlock’s heavy slot. Switch away? Reloaded. Shoot the whole mag and the boss is still damagable? Grenade and go again. No need to reload manually, it’s always ready, saved me many a time.

  • @khonshuprime8685
    @khonshuprime8685 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Circular Logic is genuinely decent for burning champions!
    I run mine with Envious and Vorpal. The massive magazine, 10% damage buff and tracer rockets all combine to burn through champions in GMs

  • @oldlifeorig5028
    @oldlifeorig5028 Před 9 měsíci

    I hope you will continue to make this tier-lists but about of like ranking new season weapons, or new dungeon etc

  • @aaronpyrez1573
    @aaronpyrez1573 Před 9 měsíci +2

    I feel like Quillum’s Terminus could’ve been ever so slightly better if it could get Firefly + Headstone. Just too bad both perks are in the same column

  • @nihilitys
    @nihilitys Před 9 měsíci

    unwavering duty is sooo underrated. i was sad about not getting a nice fixed odds roll and got this from a random ass trials match. field prep and incandescent(as soon as i saw this being an adaptive i was so hyped), this thing is a stat monster, mine has range mw with 78 range, i have accurized too it can go up to 88 range which is just insane, though mostly unnecessary. used this for add clear on the bridge encounter. i got 81 reload speed too, and with a loader mod this is as speedy it gets a manual reload machine gun lol. so stoked about you putting this to S tier. still doesn't sound like commemoration tho...

  • @watter7212
    @watter7212 Před 9 měsíci

    you not putting retrofit in the thumbnail was a show of true willpower

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +1

      I actually was struggling to find masterworked LMGs I had on me for the thumbnail, I had to pull a Chain for it LMFAO

  • @rileysfreeman
    @rileysfreeman Před 9 měsíci +1

    Machine guns are simple. Crota log, deep stone lmg. Top two. If you want a solar one, trials one or fixed odds. You can pretty much throw everything else away(excluding exotics of course). There’s that void one retrofit but since the nerf you never see it anymore.
    Forgot about stasis. Kings fall one and season of the risen one feels good.

  • @Quantumwastaken
    @Quantumwastaken Před 9 měsíci

    I have a roll of Unwavering Duty with Ambitious Assassin and Incandecent, it's easily my fav solar lmg not just in feel but with raw ad clear. Ambitious assassin works like a walmart killing tally, where you get kills with your first initial mag- reload and have 150 rounds to play with. Solid gun.

  • @xufis
    @xufis Před 9 měsíci +1

    I think your list is pretty accurate. I do think Corrective Measure is an S tier Machine Gun, potentially even being better than Commemoration as I feel as though it has a higher ceiling when combining it with a Build like Gyrfalcon or Briarbinds.

    • @johnalbone30192
      @johnalbone30192 Před 7 měsíci

      No chance. Commemoration with reconstruction and killing tally is unmatched and no way corrective measure even comes close even with a 5/5. Gyfflcons is better with commemoration than it is with corrective measure.

    • @xufis
      @xufis Před 7 měsíci

      @@johnalbone30192 I disagree. Recon is a perk for lazy people. Demo has reload and ability regen. Killing Tally is better than AJ in general but overall more synergy and adept mod slots too.

    • @johnalbone30192
      @johnalbone30192 Před 7 měsíci

      @@xufis 🤣🤣🤣 lazy people? Lmfao bruh it’s a video game and it’s objectively better than demo on a heavy weapon gives less nade energy and is nowhere near as good as permanent killing tally x3 and never ever having to reload. Commemoration is also void and does the same thing with gurfalcin 😂😂 adept slot? Why on earth would you ever use anything other than minor spec on a ad clear weapon. It’s not even opinion. Reconstruction and killing tally with gyrfalcons or without is a bagillion times better than demo AJ corrective measure. Period.

    • @xufis
      @xufis Před 7 měsíci

      @@johnalbone30192 Demo has a higher ceiling. Demo means way more now that abilities are getting nerfed. Adept Big Ones means more damage to targets that actually benefit from it. Using Minor Spec when it 1hks most red bars anyway is redundant 😭 People chose Commemoration because it is craftable which is more accessible to most. Corrective Measure has more to offer, and it’ll shine over Commemoration even more next season where everyone notices ability cooldown changes.

  • @Yohruu
    @Yohruu Před 9 měsíci

    Not watching the new lights get utterly confused by the corrupted's ball mechanic for the entire beginning of the video.

  • @jacobevans9601
    @jacobevans9601 Před 8 měsíci

    subsistence/incandescent Avalance is my favorite add clear weapon in the game by a long shot

  • @parsus7797
    @parsus7797 Před 9 měsíci

    Terminus Horizon is AFAIK the only arc machine gun with a perk like Triple Tap (and non exist with FTTC). So Triple Tap + Target Lock is a really good option if you want an arc heavy machine gun for GMs. It let's you melt champs and bosses without burning thorugh all your ammo and target lock is actually decent on these kind of targets too.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +1

      That's not what I had in mind with it but sure I guess haha

  • @zackphy
    @zackphy Před 8 měsíci

    Bait and Switch is actually really good on Song of Ir Yut, it's easy to proc and it bursts down champs and majors in things like gms. Unlike Killing Tally, it doesn't require a kill to proc meaning if you need your lmg to do some good damage on a boss it's gonna be better, especially if there's no ads to proc Killing Tally on. So it absolutely has a place in the sandbox, and it does something Commemoration doesn't.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 8 měsíci

      Reranked this list with BnS in mind, update coming out next season

  • @crashka5860
    @crashka5860 Před 9 měsíci

    I would like to draw attention to slideways on the qua xaphan as I gave it a go in heist mats and sliding to reload feels pretty good, lacks the bonus reserves of field prep but allows you to stay mobile

  • @kodieherrington1019
    @kodieherrington1019 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I don't know how I feel about this cuz Thermo erosion with demo and field prep is insane

  • @Oxycodone__
    @Oxycodone__ Před 9 měsíci +1

    Retrofit Escapade is my favourite legendary weapon in the whole game so this list hurt a bit

  • @LeeVization
    @LeeVization Před 9 měsíci

    Love repulsor brace on commeration. Crafted one to use when I'm using a void subclass to go along with volatile rounds.
    And I have 2nd one with killing tally when not using a void subclass.

  • @danielwinterhalter3492
    @danielwinterhalter3492 Před 9 měsíci +1

    The chain of command slander is crazy

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci

      It's not bad by any means it's just a starting option :)

  • @elito7023
    @elito7023 Před 9 měsíci

    I'm personally one of the one's who runs Chain of Command with osmosis/demo, especially on a void subclass to take advantage of volatile. I know retrofit escapade exists, but i love the grenade uptime from chain of command

  • @MalrosJade
    @MalrosJade Před 9 měsíci

    Field prep gives a reload scalar as well as nearly 2 ammo mods worth of reserves. I feel like it's being highly undervalued.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Unfortunately not as useful as an auto reload assist on LMGs imo

    • @MalrosJade
      @MalrosJade Před 9 měsíci

      @@TheAegisRelic yeah, as far as dps I'm sure you're right, Especially for speed running. My casual ass just gets a lot of value out of it lol.

  • @Tayuro
    @Tayuro Před 9 měsíci

    wooow i have another episode of professor’s aegis show to watch

  • @OriginalSystem37
    @OriginalSystem37 Před 9 měsíci

    Target lock on slow firing lmgs is really good on champion’s specifically. Terminus horizon with triple tap target lock is VERY good on champs.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci

      LMGs in general aren't very good on majors+ so Target Lock wasn't given much value

  • @cincybaseballclub
    @cincybaseballclub Před 9 měsíci

    Retrofit is just hard to take off. My lord that thing shreds

  • @JakeMillsaps
    @JakeMillsaps Před 8 měsíci

    There was a fun time with Seventh Seraph SAW when You could run armor piercing rounds and Mulligan and every shot counted as a miss since it overpenetrated targets... lol good times.

  • @Bigschmeatyyy
    @Bigschmeatyyy Před 9 měsíci

    Came for unwavering duty. Waited til the end. I am pleased.

  • @RafaelHipolit0
    @RafaelHipolit0 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Unwavering Duty is very good for end game PvE. The only problem is that most endgame PvE players do not play trials. I never got a decent roll of Unwavering Duty or Avalanche, so I crafted Fixed Odds and called it a day.

  • @peabrain6872
    @peabrain6872 Před 9 měsíci

    Id like to mention that at least with high impacts and maybe adaptives, you can fire every single bullet you have without reloading ever with actium war rig

  • @brennanreilly9475
    @brennanreilly9475 Před 9 měsíci +9

    Demo is by far the best machine gun perk, especially in the 3rd slot.
    Lol edit I can't believe I have to put this but IMO

    • @max73916
      @max73916 Před 9 měsíci +1

      recon better

    • @snoopyer7
      @snoopyer7 Před 9 měsíci

      @@max73916demo will auto reload on grenade throw, if you remember to swap to it then it has more utility

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci +8

      The only reason Recon gets more points is that it's always applicable, Demo necessitates a grenade build

    • @shaunmacready701
      @shaunmacready701 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Over reconstruction?Your high man 😂

    • @shaunmacready701
      @shaunmacready701 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@snoopyer7what happens when you run out of nades?

  • @austingoodman2177
    @austingoodman2177 Před 7 měsíci

    Really good video, there's just a couple things I'd add. Firstly, recurrent impact probably deserves a few extra points for it's origin trait, which gives a good chunk of stackable DR. Secondly, I think there's an argument to be made for subsistence over recon on killing tally MGs: you can run through a doubled mag if there are enough adds, but subsistence can last for your entire reserves. I don't think it ever takes more than 10% of your mag to kill am orange bar, even in GMs or master raids.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Yeah I reranked these, updating this season

  • @killerja3
    @killerja3 Před 9 měsíci

    I hate 1 for all on non aoe weapons but you made a good point. Headstone is great for slowing down running mobs and ironically those are tge easiest head shots outside of arena bs.

  • @bjcooper4365
    @bjcooper4365 Před 9 měsíci

    I think subsistence is actually the best perk on Commem. I low key hate recon on machine guns because I use them a lot so recon doesn’t really ever activate. Maybe once in a raid encounter, but it takes a while to fill completely. With subsistence you can pretty much always have a substantially improved mag size because you’re gonna kill almost everything in less than 8 bullets. I could see recon being better for GMs, but I personally prefer rockets and linears for my heavy in GMs.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 8 měsíci

      I think you'll be happy with the updated sheet's list :)

  • @viviolet7
    @viviolet7 Před 9 měsíci

    id argue being void is a *benefit* for machine guns, with how good volatile rounds can be on them on stuff like warlock or hunter

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci

      That's after the fact and not really why you choose an LMG in most instances imo

  • @SentientMattress531
    @SentientMattress531 Před 9 měsíci +1

    “guys, put on thunderlord”

  • @julianmorris7954
    @julianmorris7954 Před 9 měsíci

    Remember the swarm has 2 different sets of perks since it was released and the re released with different perks .

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci

      Yeah and they both suck (we only consider the latest version in these lists)

  • @atheon-
    @atheon- Před 9 měsíci +1

    quillim's terminus has a built in clown cartridge for raids and can overflow 20% to 30% in low mans, it needs to be in B IMO

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci

      While that is something I liked about it when it first came out, that certainly isn't enough to surmount its weaknesses

  • @alexcantu6550
    @alexcantu6550 Před 9 měsíci

    Imo, avalanche is also up there in the s tier just based on the fact that its origin trait is better than the trials one in team scenarios.

  • @OthersideSparrow
    @OthersideSparrow Před 9 měsíci

    Unwavering duty is a god send add clear gun
    Got adept with extended mag, field prep + killing tally.
    My build is rain of fire. I use Vex or honestly any fusion rifle to get radiant, swap to Unwavering.
    Air dash to reload for perma KT.
    More ammo with Field Prep
    Ember of Empyrean since it is solar for permanent radiant. Add restoration x2 with healing grande and you can never die.

  • @x9x9x9x9x9
    @x9x9x9x9x9 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Commemoration and Song or Ir Yut S tier. Corrective measure and Fixed Odds in A tier. Also in A tier is retrofit. Everything else is below those. I guess Avalanche is pretty good so it can be in A tier but I like fixes odds more.
    I have an old commemoration with recon + dragonfly. I was sad when they removed that combo but I have kept that roll and still use it every now and then.

    • @x9x9x9x9x9
      @x9x9x9x9x9 Před 9 měsíci

      @@ItsDukeTV If its in the trials pool then it doesn't exist in my mind lol.

  • @djspeed5569
    @djspeed5569 Před 9 měsíci

    15:14 don’t dismiss subsistence so easily. Paired with killing tally, I only have to reload when I run out of ammo completely on commemoration. Not to mention you don’t have to wait between kills for subsistence to proc where you need to have downtime while using reconstruction.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci

      Sub is fine Recon is just generally more applicable in higher level content

  • @parsus7797
    @parsus7797 Před 9 měsíci

    15:13
    Well, during metas where you use Heavy Machine Guns as your primary like in Season of Defiance (for adclear heavy stuff), reconstruction on commeration is inferior to the other options. During my Legend Avolon Solo runs I first used Commeration with the roll that everyone recommended (Recon + Killing Tally) but found that this combo frequently encouraged me to back off to let recon fill the mag. This was really bad for Avolon especially so I switched to Subsistence - which (in the volatile flow meta + that void ammo generating perk) meant I could just hold down the trigger and never stop shooting. Since then I have always valued Recon significantly lower on weapons that have high usage uptime like primaries, trace rifles and heavy machine guns. You usually have one nice mag and then you're stuck with a bad reload perk on your workhorse weapon (which is super annoying with killing tally). I also haven't swapped perks for my Commeration and it excells in everything but master and grandmaster content. In those difficulties I see the value of a bigger mag or the generating quality of FTTC.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci

      It's quite rare where you're only using your LMG to clear adds, imo the optimal way to play is to use it to reach pesky long range stragglers (like a stronger trace), while using abilities and my other weapons to deal with mag dump type enemies, but I understand where Subsistence might have its use

  • @iKnownot999
    @iKnownot999 Před 9 měsíci

    I use subsistence over reconstruction on my commemoration. It pairs better with killing tally, since the only scenario were you lose killing tally is swapping off it

    • @xbavox
      @xbavox Před 6 měsíci

      even with killing tally i would still use reconstruction, the auto reloading is just so good. You can shoot for so long with it, get a lot of kills and even with subsistence you will have to reload eventually, and it wont be that big of a difference compared to reconstruction. But you lose autoloading and the double capacity.
      With reconstruction you also have the choice between using it on bosses or majors. Dont get me wrong subsistence is really good, but compared to reconstruction, its not even close imo. I do agree on primary weapons, subsistence is the better choice.

    • @iKnownot999
      @iKnownot999 Před 6 měsíci

      @xbavox if im using commemoration it's usually for more than 100 shots at which point subsistence will win over reconstruction both need a reload in different scenarios but I just think the killing tally pairs better with subsistence

  • @jackgunstead8036
    @jackgunstead8036 Před 9 měsíci +2

    In the plancks stride section, you mentioned that there was a better machine gun for a melee build.
    What would that be?

    • @thesonicfanboi
      @thesonicfanboi Před 9 měsíci

      He probably means song of ir yut, because of the origin trait

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 Před 9 měsíci

      @@thesonicfanboi ohhh that makes way more sense. I was wondering, cause you'd think Grave Robber and a relevant damage perk would be exactly what you'd want there. Strikes me as more B tier material.

  • @mrsherm8639
    @mrsherm8639 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Imagine a world with a gun that can roll cascade point and harmony at the same time (maybe they make discord as a origin trait) the world would end

  • @jeffjeff2955
    @jeffjeff2955 Před 9 měsíci

    demo on thermal erosion makes it pair nicely with solar verity's warlock but that's about it

  • @ThatLazyyGuy
    @ThatLazyyGuy Před 9 měsíci

    Rip seventh seraph saw. I hope you get a rerelease one day because I have so much nostalgia for you and I still think you feel great to shoot (better than song of ir yut and that’s saying something because I like song of ir yut)

  • @williambutler6558
    @williambutler6558 Před 9 měsíci

    Love my demolitionist corrective measures. My old faithful!

  • @bigdadycalusspaceturtle9302
    @bigdadycalusspaceturtle9302 Před 9 měsíci

    The fixed odds slander hurts but is true, I enjoy the frame since console gamer and I dont want my machine gun to go to the sky when I shoot. Damn I gotta get me a new machine gun.

  • @ykishter4660
    @ykishter4660 Před 9 měsíci

    IMO enhanced subsistence is really underrated and should get an aditional point, the additive 10% makes a huge difference, in the Commemoration it feels way better than reconstruction for master content or below, and even in some trash heavy gm's like the Mars BG, with 5 kills only you are already at the same bonus as reconstruction

  • @MSK-o1n
    @MSK-o1n Před 6 měsíci

    I'm a sucker for high impacts. I like to think shooting slower and using less bullets to kill things=ammo economy. That's why I absolutely love Fixed Odds, shoots slow and kills can proc ignitions that get collaterals. Collaterals=fewer things I had to shoot which feeds back into the ammo economy. Rarely run into a situation where i needed more bullets.
    The only real con is the lack of reload perks like recon, but I don't really mind reloading since I'm not a speed runner and like playing things on the safe side

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 6 měsíci

      High impacts have lower reserves so that doesn't work exactly like that but I get where you're coming from

    • @MSK-o1n
      @MSK-o1n Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@TheAegisRelicit's a weird perspective on the matter and it's worked out so far but I won't deny those S tier options are just juiced and one step ahead

  • @MrTimothydclark
    @MrTimothydclark Před 9 měsíci +1

    Crazy to ignore affinity when volatile is transformative on LMGs and doesn’t cost a gun perk

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Před 9 měsíci

      Volatile support isn't universal, is linked to one of the weakest subclasses, and is artifact-dependent when it isn't

    • @MrTimothydclark
      @MrTimothydclark Před 9 měsíci

      @@TheAegisRelicit’s not universal sure, but not like you can apply incandescent or voltshot using subclasses at all. It’s a clear benefit to a void add clear weapon. Void hunter - Onni, Orpheus, gyrfalcon - are totally playable in GM level content also.

  • @deangaudet
    @deangaudet Před 9 měsíci

    even though "keep away" is generally a pvp perk, it's my choice for col3 on circular logic: i find it much easier to aim at range with this perk than without it... so it's my col3 choice.

  • @Reapeus
    @Reapeus Před 7 měsíci

    Chain of command doesn't really synergize with the stasis because most of the time you want to match heavy and super. The ad junkie wouldn't work well with the stasis grenades as they freeze but don't really kill. You shatter, but that's not a grenade kill.