Ranking Every Legendary Machine Gun in Destiny 2 for Endgame PvE
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
- And now we're on to heavy weapons! The most highly requested option was machine guns, so we're starting with the add clear specialist powerhouse. Sorry if the music got a bit loud towards the end, I used a long track and didn't normalize the volume correctly :(
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:22 Archetypes
02:48 Perks
08:12 A Fine Memorial
09:14 Archon's Thunder
09:50 Avalanche
11:37 Chain of Command
12:55 Circular Logic
14:43 Commemoration
16:37 Corrective Measure
17:43 Eleatic Principle
18:57 Fixed Odds
20:19 Planck's Stride
21:34 Qua Xaphan V
23:07 Qullim's Terminus
24:24 Recurrent Impact
25:41 Retrofit Escapade
27:11 Seventh Seraph SAW
28:38 Shattered Cipher
29:40 Song of Ir Yut
31:12 Terminus Horizon
32:34 THE SWARM
33:44 Thermal Erosion
34:28 Unwavering Duty
35:40 Outro - Hry
If the swarm gets placed anywhere above non-starter, we’re gonna have a problem buddy
Facts, facts, facts
Swarm Grenade (I throw my useless machine gun at the adds)
it’s so shit lmao
Hahaha
I love the swarm, just wish it was better
The frustration watching you throw orbs towards your teammates in the corrupted strike at the beginning.
5 years this strike has been out and every time I matchmake its apparently someone else's first time. awful mechanic.
the boss later was so much worse too
And those teammates will be the same ones that one matchmade raids
*want
LMAO haha they extended the strike length to the perfect length for this video intro though so shout out to them :D
Avalanche should probably lose a point because it has a total dog tier inventory size stat. It holds 270 max reserves compared to 348 for Commemoration. (check Mossy’s inventory sheet for more data) Ammo availability is definitely good nowadays but holding more than 20% less ammo at max is notable.
I actually didn't know that! My recommendation is Unwavering regardless but that's actually quite significant, thanks for the note!
Avalanche also feels terrible to use.
A really cool synergy on the Strand LMG with Tricorne is with Mindspun Invocation on Warlock. The Strand suspend bursts count as grenade damage which can proc Tricorn x2 if the suspend burst kills an add. This can be combined with Verity's Brow to increase the damage of the suspend burst to give a really solid add clear loop.
It also works really well with the newest hunter exotic moth gauntlets since the moths count as a grenade and you get 3 grenades for some reason when combining them with the strand class
@@zachcunningham9054 A hunter aspect gives an extra grenade charge. That said, the hunter aspects for strand RN are really good so it's kinda hard to justify the extra grenade charge on mothkeepers imo.
I kinda get, that chain of command is lacking perk diversity and also is a stasis machine gun, so it doesn’t have the benefit of destroying elemental shields. But demo ad junkie is literally the roll u use corrective measure for, so I think it deserves atleast a spot in the B-Tier
Honestly it was just a perk diversity issue, I'm working on figuring out how to factor that in less
@@TheAegisRelicmight want to consider two scores: a perk diversity score and a god roll score
@@TheAegisRelicJust a suggestion but as far as awarding points for perks you might want to consider only awarding points for the best in slot perk. If there’s multiple that are viable then points for each one but if there’s a single roll on a weapon that’s objectively the best pairing then those being the contributing factor to the overall score would be more representative. An additional point or two as a diversity bonus for a weapon with a lot of viable perks could be a substitute so versatile weapons aren’t undervalued.
@@TheAegisRelicAdd two or three tiers of points for perks/perk combinations. You can diversify your decision making that way.
One for all is much better than adrenaline junkie . In any situation that you can get adrenaline junkie you can also proc one for all with less trouble and you don't need final blows wich makes it much more consistent in group content .
finally an Aegis video on the best weapon architype for boss dmg, always use machine guns for boss dps to be optimal. Great video!
I'm so glad you're doing the heavy weapons too, not because I don't know what I want or what is good with heavy weapons, but just because I love to hear your insight. There's always something to learn from you it feels like.
If I had a nickel for every time Bungie added an Arc rapid fire machine gun without voltshot, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but weird it happened twice right?
Loving this series. Giving me new goals in this game
This man just cannot catch a break (and I'm all for it)
Hi
i feel like affinity is a huge thing for the most part, like you said empyrean extensions for solar but also arc for getting ionic traces and void for volatile.
Unwavering Duty is HEAVILY underrated, I have a Subsistence/Killing Tally or Incandescent roll that never comes off my Starfire Protocol build. and Song of Ir Yut is honestly my favorite gun in the game at the moment, personally I think it dethrones Commemoration especially for my play style
it really, really is. killing tally is an insane perk so subsistence on top of that is just actually perfect
@@Narfwakcommemoration gets subsistence
i got rid of my subsistence w incandescent before the machine gun buffs man i regret that shit so hard
@@Narfwakkilling tally is just another 30% damage perk. It’s cool that it can stay for a whole mag but it’s not the beast that it used to be
@@seffers4788laughs in actium war rig Titan
For anyone keen to try it out: I feel that Recurrent Impact's Subsistence + Headstone roll is a monster for both ability regen (via Whisper of Shard's insane values) and AoE ad clear (doubly so with Whisper of Fissures).
If anyone is a fan of Stasis Warlock for instance, I'd definitely try it out-if you're looking for an ability/ad-clear focused weapon, it feels even better than a conventional Demo+FFly roll on a MG like Corrective Measure, or a straight AJunkie+Demo roll on Chain of Command IMO.
That and the origin perks is honestly one of the best in the game imo
How do i get it
@@-Benja It was a season of the risen weapon so when dead messenger exotic quest comes back around you can get it
Not to mention it’s ability to deal with both overload and unstop champs! I have the same roll and it’s a monster.
ALH / Cascade Avalanche is pretty fun when it works. If you are shotgun swapping on Nezarec for some reason, the crits on his chest spot will activate Cascade, and then when you are Cascading all over him, your ALH shotguns can reload. The main issue with it is just the ammo inventory is terrible for no particular reason. It's got significantly less ammo than any other 450, and the ammo inventory buff back in Lightfall or Seraph? buffed every single LMG equally by approximately +1 magazine, so that issue is proportionally diminished, but still comes up sometimes.
More clutch content from you as always! Thanks for all you do!
I think this is a pretty good ranking! One bit of feedback: I’d suggest considering the inventory stat of each machine gun. For example, Unwavering Duty has the highest inventory stat of any machine gun, which translates to a pretty substantial increase in reserves. It’s not as important as, say, Reconstruction, but it is a very pleasant quality of life upgrade that, combined with Subsistence/Incandescent, pushes me to rank Unwavering Duty over Commemoration.
Unwavering Duty enjoyer has entered the chat, I see
(OP's a clanmate)
Yeah someone told me Avalanche has substantially lower reserves than most LMGs for some reason which is weird
@@TheAegisRelic Yeah, Avalanche is a weird one. It has aim assist and perks that are _wildly_ out of band for a holiday event, but I suspect that Bungie decided that they’ll tone this LMG down by slashing its ammo reserves, which, fair.
Man I don’t know what it is but I could watch these videos all day. Love the vids man ❤
There we are! The heavies have begun!
And for my favourite weapon type, too! :D
Cheers for the videos! Keep up the dedication!
i’ve been using avalanche with sub incan for the past few months, feels so good when i never have to reload and keeping up my restoration + huge explosions + incandescent kills proc subsistence
A nice buff that the Qua Xaphan V gets, is the Cassoid Wild Card origin trait! You create a bunch of mini exposives to add onto your Destabilizing or other damage
I love how S-Tier is Void, Solar and Arc your accuracy on ranking is so spot on
Trying to lead the Blueberries in the beginning of this video was incredibly poetic in a video talking about endgame
Commemoration is giving me memories of 21% delirium and hammerhead. I miss those guns and wish they came back.
Terminus Horizon with Demo + Well/AdJunk is really good on a Hunter Shinobu build. Synergizes well with arc and it completely covers any gaps in your grenade uptime which on that build is already very small since you can pretty much just constantly chuck grenades. It was really great to find as a new player
BaS surprised me with how good it is on song. If you are running something like an auto loading waveframe it’s very easy to have the perk up all the time, and it’s a hefty damage bonus. I like it when my build requires using multiple guns, and I can’t just run around with a KT commemoration out all the time.
The randoms in the Corrupted elevator almost killed me man! That was way too funny 🤣
The Swarm actually has a niche use in the Ghosts of the Deep dungeon with a Genesis/Target Lock roll. It carried me in my day one, two man clear because I never had to reload from all the shield breaks. If another activity with a lot of shielded enemies comes up again (Shadow legion overhsields/Moth shields), A Swarm with Genesis is what I’m bringing for an MG.
chain of command deserves to be higher imo. demo AJ is such a simple yet effective combo and the fact that you don't have to grind out red borders to get the roll you're looking for is really approachable for new players
Retrofit Escapade not being at least A-Tier is the hottest take ive seen all year
Recurrent Impact's one saving grace is its Origin Trait which grants increased resilience and damage resistance which is nice especially for LMGs
Yeah it's a nice bonus
@TheAegisRelic I got the same combo I have of Circular Logic on my Song of Ir Yut and while it's the same story...the machine gun feels good and puts in work ♡
Underrated combo on Corrective Measure is Rewind/HIR, it lets you sit with the damage buff from HIR for significantly longer than other weapons can and doesn't require you to get kills or be near allies or hit 3 different enemies. For general use my Adept Corrective Measure with that roll has been the best workhorse machine gun in the game.
You are much better off using something like OFA if you're looking for a maximized damage perk + you shouldn't be firing an LMG for that long anyways
I love when I can recognize exactly what lofi beats Aegis picked for the background music
Really??? I got them from copyright free compilation vids lol
Literally my fave content creator right now 😂
Yah you are definitely my favorite Destiny CZcamsr at the moment. What’s even more impressive to me, what newer viewers may not know is you are literally so much more goated in game, even with the amount of knowledge you have (which is literally facts not takes or opinions) like this is literally what the best stuff in the game is. Take notes if you are wanting to get better at the game, this is the only reason Aegis is going in depth and explaining everything😂.
I think retrofit should definitely either be the top of it's tier, or bottom of A tier strictly because no other LMG in the game can do what it does, and it's enhanceable, but generally agree with your placements. Another great list, for sure.
Unfortunately its unique niche isn't particularly useful in endgame, but I see what you're saying
@TheAegisRelic having consistent damage is still usefull in burning down champions and bosses. While they aren't dedicated raid boss melters but people still use them on nightfall bosses.
I like using circular logic with golden tricorn, Verity's, and mindspun. Eat a grenade and then as you get kills those suspend waves will finish off a few enemies and give you thay 50% buff. Not the best since its first column is missing some good perks, but fun nonetheless
planck's Stride has a memey spray and pray combo with One For All and Mulligan
I will say I think avalanche has a stronger origin trait than unwavering if you're wanting to use it for incandescent specifically
consuming your shackle grenade with weavers trance and veritys brow, while using a circular logic with tricorn puts out insane aoe damage and keeps tricorn 2 procced the entire time you have weavers trance which comes back super fast with veritys. As well as veritys buffing the explosions from weavers trance to get you those "grenade kills" for tricorn! SUPER UNDERRATED
Planck's Stride has Grave robber & swashbuckler; both feed into the origin trait & synergize easily for any melee build. No other machine gun has this perk combo for a melee build.
It is the best arc rapidfire machine gun for an arc melee build & is at least a C tier weapon. (I personally say B tier as a punchy Titan/arc hunter.)
It was literally made for arc melee builds. It's so good with Point contact Canon brace. I fully agree with B tier. It has one job and it's very good at it.
Oh one thing to note with circular logic is that it pair well with the hunter whirling maelstrom because tangle kills count for golden tricorn..
That corrupted gameplay with the ball throwing is ELITE!
Love this series
Streets been waiting for this one
My Saw with auto reload and vorpal hasn’t left my inventory since I got it. It absolutely shreds.
Love this roll, I think Banshee sold it at one point.
fr, I have the same roll and it's one of my favorite guns in the game. super versatile even in GMs
One of the biggest things that you overlooked with ranking the Machine Guns is the viability of their Origin Perks.
Commemoration is not just the best LMG due to perk combinations like Reconstruction and Killing Tally, but it also has the best Origin perk you would ever want to have. Regenning all of your abilities 1% for every bullet hit is absolutely insane and exceeds the like of weapons that use Demo.
In the same vein Cursed Thrall is very useful for melee builds on Song of Ir Yut.
Some things:
Bray Inheritance only charges ~0.4% per hit on Commemoration
There is not a single LMG with an origin trait significant enough to shift it a tier
LMGs do not mesh well with melee builds imo (on most of those you are using Tractor for obvious reasons)
I was also surprised he didn't mention Planck's Strides origin perk, it makes for a perfect melee synergy which is the only thing this LMG has really going for it. Not that it is particularly meta, but the combination of Graverobber, Swashbuckler and Right Hook is so unique it's at least worth mentioning.
So putting this weapon 2 tiers lower than Shattered Cipher is hard to agree with.
I do think Qullium's Terminus Headstone Unrelenting on a stasis build is pretty solid, other than that I agree with every single one
It's fun, and I almost brought it up, just not as practical as most other things you can do with a machine gun considering how rough their reload situation is.
I run the harrowed version with that roll on my stasis hunter
I have a Fixed Odds with Field Prep and incandescent. It was the final push that helped my fireteam beat our first GM! Couldn't really use Commemoration in that one because we didn't have any surges or overcharges to buff it. Commemoration is still my favorite machine gun, and is totally worth the 6 hrs of farming i had to do.
I'm glad that worked out for you!
Being someone who doesnt do really any endgame things though have solo’d a dungeon or two, seeing A Fine Memorial at B at least makes me happy with my roll.
I got Auto Loading + Demo and it’s never left my Warlock’s heavy slot. Switch away? Reloaded. Shoot the whole mag and the boss is still damagable? Grenade and go again. No need to reload manually, it’s always ready, saved me many a time.
Circular Logic is genuinely decent for burning champions!
I run mine with Envious and Vorpal. The massive magazine, 10% damage buff and tracer rockets all combine to burn through champions in GMs
I hope you will continue to make this tier-lists but about of like ranking new season weapons, or new dungeon etc
I feel like Quillum’s Terminus could’ve been ever so slightly better if it could get Firefly + Headstone. Just too bad both perks are in the same column
unwavering duty is sooo underrated. i was sad about not getting a nice fixed odds roll and got this from a random ass trials match. field prep and incandescent(as soon as i saw this being an adaptive i was so hyped), this thing is a stat monster, mine has range mw with 78 range, i have accurized too it can go up to 88 range which is just insane, though mostly unnecessary. used this for add clear on the bridge encounter. i got 81 reload speed too, and with a loader mod this is as speedy it gets a manual reload machine gun lol. so stoked about you putting this to S tier. still doesn't sound like commemoration tho...
you not putting retrofit in the thumbnail was a show of true willpower
I actually was struggling to find masterworked LMGs I had on me for the thumbnail, I had to pull a Chain for it LMFAO
Machine guns are simple. Crota log, deep stone lmg. Top two. If you want a solar one, trials one or fixed odds. You can pretty much throw everything else away(excluding exotics of course). There’s that void one retrofit but since the nerf you never see it anymore.
Forgot about stasis. Kings fall one and season of the risen one feels good.
I have a roll of Unwavering Duty with Ambitious Assassin and Incandecent, it's easily my fav solar lmg not just in feel but with raw ad clear. Ambitious assassin works like a walmart killing tally, where you get kills with your first initial mag- reload and have 150 rounds to play with. Solid gun.
I think your list is pretty accurate. I do think Corrective Measure is an S tier Machine Gun, potentially even being better than Commemoration as I feel as though it has a higher ceiling when combining it with a Build like Gyrfalcon or Briarbinds.
No chance. Commemoration with reconstruction and killing tally is unmatched and no way corrective measure even comes close even with a 5/5. Gyfflcons is better with commemoration than it is with corrective measure.
@@johnalbone30192 I disagree. Recon is a perk for lazy people. Demo has reload and ability regen. Killing Tally is better than AJ in general but overall more synergy and adept mod slots too.
@@xufis 🤣🤣🤣 lazy people? Lmfao bruh it’s a video game and it’s objectively better than demo on a heavy weapon gives less nade energy and is nowhere near as good as permanent killing tally x3 and never ever having to reload. Commemoration is also void and does the same thing with gurfalcin 😂😂 adept slot? Why on earth would you ever use anything other than minor spec on a ad clear weapon. It’s not even opinion. Reconstruction and killing tally with gyrfalcons or without is a bagillion times better than demo AJ corrective measure. Period.
@@johnalbone30192 Demo has a higher ceiling. Demo means way more now that abilities are getting nerfed. Adept Big Ones means more damage to targets that actually benefit from it. Using Minor Spec when it 1hks most red bars anyway is redundant 😭 People chose Commemoration because it is craftable which is more accessible to most. Corrective Measure has more to offer, and it’ll shine over Commemoration even more next season where everyone notices ability cooldown changes.
Not watching the new lights get utterly confused by the corrupted's ball mechanic for the entire beginning of the video.
subsistence/incandescent Avalance is my favorite add clear weapon in the game by a long shot
Terminus Horizon is AFAIK the only arc machine gun with a perk like Triple Tap (and non exist with FTTC). So Triple Tap + Target Lock is a really good option if you want an arc heavy machine gun for GMs. It let's you melt champs and bosses without burning thorugh all your ammo and target lock is actually decent on these kind of targets too.
That's not what I had in mind with it but sure I guess haha
Bait and Switch is actually really good on Song of Ir Yut, it's easy to proc and it bursts down champs and majors in things like gms. Unlike Killing Tally, it doesn't require a kill to proc meaning if you need your lmg to do some good damage on a boss it's gonna be better, especially if there's no ads to proc Killing Tally on. So it absolutely has a place in the sandbox, and it does something Commemoration doesn't.
Reranked this list with BnS in mind, update coming out next season
I would like to draw attention to slideways on the qua xaphan as I gave it a go in heist mats and sliding to reload feels pretty good, lacks the bonus reserves of field prep but allows you to stay mobile
I don't know how I feel about this cuz Thermo erosion with demo and field prep is insane
Retrofit Escapade is my favourite legendary weapon in the whole game so this list hurt a bit
Love repulsor brace on commeration. Crafted one to use when I'm using a void subclass to go along with volatile rounds.
And I have 2nd one with killing tally when not using a void subclass.
The chain of command slander is crazy
It's not bad by any means it's just a starting option :)
I'm personally one of the one's who runs Chain of Command with osmosis/demo, especially on a void subclass to take advantage of volatile. I know retrofit escapade exists, but i love the grenade uptime from chain of command
Field prep gives a reload scalar as well as nearly 2 ammo mods worth of reserves. I feel like it's being highly undervalued.
Unfortunately not as useful as an auto reload assist on LMGs imo
@@TheAegisRelic yeah, as far as dps I'm sure you're right, Especially for speed running. My casual ass just gets a lot of value out of it lol.
wooow i have another episode of professor’s aegis show to watch
Target lock on slow firing lmgs is really good on champion’s specifically. Terminus horizon with triple tap target lock is VERY good on champs.
LMGs in general aren't very good on majors+ so Target Lock wasn't given much value
Retrofit is just hard to take off. My lord that thing shreds
There was a fun time with Seventh Seraph SAW when You could run armor piercing rounds and Mulligan and every shot counted as a miss since it overpenetrated targets... lol good times.
Came for unwavering duty. Waited til the end. I am pleased.
Unwavering Duty is very good for end game PvE. The only problem is that most endgame PvE players do not play trials. I never got a decent roll of Unwavering Duty or Avalanche, so I crafted Fixed Odds and called it a day.
Id like to mention that at least with high impacts and maybe adaptives, you can fire every single bullet you have without reloading ever with actium war rig
Demo is by far the best machine gun perk, especially in the 3rd slot.
Lol edit I can't believe I have to put this but IMO
recon better
@@max73916demo will auto reload on grenade throw, if you remember to swap to it then it has more utility
The only reason Recon gets more points is that it's always applicable, Demo necessitates a grenade build
Over reconstruction?Your high man 😂
@@snoopyer7what happens when you run out of nades?
Really good video, there's just a couple things I'd add. Firstly, recurrent impact probably deserves a few extra points for it's origin trait, which gives a good chunk of stackable DR. Secondly, I think there's an argument to be made for subsistence over recon on killing tally MGs: you can run through a doubled mag if there are enough adds, but subsistence can last for your entire reserves. I don't think it ever takes more than 10% of your mag to kill am orange bar, even in GMs or master raids.
Yeah I reranked these, updating this season
I hate 1 for all on non aoe weapons but you made a good point. Headstone is great for slowing down running mobs and ironically those are tge easiest head shots outside of arena bs.
I think subsistence is actually the best perk on Commem. I low key hate recon on machine guns because I use them a lot so recon doesn’t really ever activate. Maybe once in a raid encounter, but it takes a while to fill completely. With subsistence you can pretty much always have a substantially improved mag size because you’re gonna kill almost everything in less than 8 bullets. I could see recon being better for GMs, but I personally prefer rockets and linears for my heavy in GMs.
I think you'll be happy with the updated sheet's list :)
id argue being void is a *benefit* for machine guns, with how good volatile rounds can be on them on stuff like warlock or hunter
That's after the fact and not really why you choose an LMG in most instances imo
“guys, put on thunderlord”
Remember the swarm has 2 different sets of perks since it was released and the re released with different perks .
Yeah and they both suck (we only consider the latest version in these lists)
quillim's terminus has a built in clown cartridge for raids and can overflow 20% to 30% in low mans, it needs to be in B IMO
While that is something I liked about it when it first came out, that certainly isn't enough to surmount its weaknesses
Imo, avalanche is also up there in the s tier just based on the fact that its origin trait is better than the trials one in team scenarios.
Unwavering duty is a god send add clear gun
Got adept with extended mag, field prep + killing tally.
My build is rain of fire. I use Vex or honestly any fusion rifle to get radiant, swap to Unwavering.
Air dash to reload for perma KT.
More ammo with Field Prep
Ember of Empyrean since it is solar for permanent radiant. Add restoration x2 with healing grande and you can never die.
Commemoration and Song or Ir Yut S tier. Corrective measure and Fixed Odds in A tier. Also in A tier is retrofit. Everything else is below those. I guess Avalanche is pretty good so it can be in A tier but I like fixes odds more.
I have an old commemoration with recon + dragonfly. I was sad when they removed that combo but I have kept that roll and still use it every now and then.
@@ItsDukeTV If its in the trials pool then it doesn't exist in my mind lol.
15:14 don’t dismiss subsistence so easily. Paired with killing tally, I only have to reload when I run out of ammo completely on commemoration. Not to mention you don’t have to wait between kills for subsistence to proc where you need to have downtime while using reconstruction.
Sub is fine Recon is just generally more applicable in higher level content
15:13
Well, during metas where you use Heavy Machine Guns as your primary like in Season of Defiance (for adclear heavy stuff), reconstruction on commeration is inferior to the other options. During my Legend Avolon Solo runs I first used Commeration with the roll that everyone recommended (Recon + Killing Tally) but found that this combo frequently encouraged me to back off to let recon fill the mag. This was really bad for Avolon especially so I switched to Subsistence - which (in the volatile flow meta + that void ammo generating perk) meant I could just hold down the trigger and never stop shooting. Since then I have always valued Recon significantly lower on weapons that have high usage uptime like primaries, trace rifles and heavy machine guns. You usually have one nice mag and then you're stuck with a bad reload perk on your workhorse weapon (which is super annoying with killing tally). I also haven't swapped perks for my Commeration and it excells in everything but master and grandmaster content. In those difficulties I see the value of a bigger mag or the generating quality of FTTC.
It's quite rare where you're only using your LMG to clear adds, imo the optimal way to play is to use it to reach pesky long range stragglers (like a stronger trace), while using abilities and my other weapons to deal with mag dump type enemies, but I understand where Subsistence might have its use
I use subsistence over reconstruction on my commemoration. It pairs better with killing tally, since the only scenario were you lose killing tally is swapping off it
even with killing tally i would still use reconstruction, the auto reloading is just so good. You can shoot for so long with it, get a lot of kills and even with subsistence you will have to reload eventually, and it wont be that big of a difference compared to reconstruction. But you lose autoloading and the double capacity.
With reconstruction you also have the choice between using it on bosses or majors. Dont get me wrong subsistence is really good, but compared to reconstruction, its not even close imo. I do agree on primary weapons, subsistence is the better choice.
@xbavox if im using commemoration it's usually for more than 100 shots at which point subsistence will win over reconstruction both need a reload in different scenarios but I just think the killing tally pairs better with subsistence
In the plancks stride section, you mentioned that there was a better machine gun for a melee build.
What would that be?
He probably means song of ir yut, because of the origin trait
@@thesonicfanboi ohhh that makes way more sense. I was wondering, cause you'd think Grave Robber and a relevant damage perk would be exactly what you'd want there. Strikes me as more B tier material.
Imagine a world with a gun that can roll cascade point and harmony at the same time (maybe they make discord as a origin trait) the world would end
demo on thermal erosion makes it pair nicely with solar verity's warlock but that's about it
Rip seventh seraph saw. I hope you get a rerelease one day because I have so much nostalgia for you and I still think you feel great to shoot (better than song of ir yut and that’s saying something because I like song of ir yut)
Love my demolitionist corrective measures. My old faithful!
The fixed odds slander hurts but is true, I enjoy the frame since console gamer and I dont want my machine gun to go to the sky when I shoot. Damn I gotta get me a new machine gun.
IMO enhanced subsistence is really underrated and should get an aditional point, the additive 10% makes a huge difference, in the Commemoration it feels way better than reconstruction for master content or below, and even in some trash heavy gm's like the Mars BG, with 5 kills only you are already at the same bonus as reconstruction
Enhanced Sub is definitely quite nice
fax my brother! spit your shit indeed!
I'm a sucker for high impacts. I like to think shooting slower and using less bullets to kill things=ammo economy. That's why I absolutely love Fixed Odds, shoots slow and kills can proc ignitions that get collaterals. Collaterals=fewer things I had to shoot which feeds back into the ammo economy. Rarely run into a situation where i needed more bullets.
The only real con is the lack of reload perks like recon, but I don't really mind reloading since I'm not a speed runner and like playing things on the safe side
High impacts have lower reserves so that doesn't work exactly like that but I get where you're coming from
@@TheAegisRelicit's a weird perspective on the matter and it's worked out so far but I won't deny those S tier options are just juiced and one step ahead
Crazy to ignore affinity when volatile is transformative on LMGs and doesn’t cost a gun perk
Volatile support isn't universal, is linked to one of the weakest subclasses, and is artifact-dependent when it isn't
@@TheAegisRelicit’s not universal sure, but not like you can apply incandescent or voltshot using subclasses at all. It’s a clear benefit to a void add clear weapon. Void hunter - Onni, Orpheus, gyrfalcon - are totally playable in GM level content also.
even though "keep away" is generally a pvp perk, it's my choice for col3 on circular logic: i find it much easier to aim at range with this perk than without it... so it's my col3 choice.
Chain of command doesn't really synergize with the stasis because most of the time you want to match heavy and super. The ad junkie wouldn't work well with the stasis grenades as they freeze but don't really kill. You shatter, but that's not a grenade kill.