Minefields and the New Political Landscape | Bret Weinstein | EP 158
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- This episode was recorded on 02/17/2021
@DarkHorsePod and I discuss the events that led to his resignation from Evergreen State College, dealing with controversy, pair bonding, the new political landscape, paranoia created by having communities online, discordant opinion budgets, and more.
Bret Weinstein is a theoretical evolutionary biologist, host of DarkHorse Podcast, and a former Professor at Evergreen State College.
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- Chapters -
(0:00) Intro
(1:28) Catching up, DarkHorse
(7:00) Evergreen College
(10:40) No choice but to stand
(14:21) First principles and poor extrapolation
(16:42) Hell breaks loose, false journalism
(21:54) Isolation and the reduction in marriage
(23:57) Sanity is outwardly regulated
(26:17) What torments Dr. Peterson
(35:45) As important, if not more so, than the printing press
(36:33) The Pareto distribution
(38:02) A complex kind of Conservative, unintended consequences
(41:08) We can’t stay here, Twitter
(44:50) Lost in the narrative
(48:22) The lab leak hypothesis
(50:05) The political has escaped its boundaries
(52:20) When every question becomes a team sport
(53:11) Vaccinations and the co-opted premise
(57:04) The physics of the online world are inherently post-modern
(59:30) Your internet persona takes primacy
(1:00:54) The physical world has physical constraints
(1:02:58) A kind of civil war
(1:07:54) From the developmental perspective
(1:11:35) Identity is negotiated, not demanded
(1:15:34) Three stages of identity
(1:19:13) Acute paranoia
(1:24:40) Budgeting for discourse and uncertainty
(1:27:12) Fundamental assumptions are hard to argue
(1:33:21) The new identities have no rules, and cannot be defined, and thus are not identities
(1:34:40) We are living in a period of evolutionary hyper-novelty
(1:36:01) You cannot take so many personality transformations
(1:37:17) Advice from a friend: please keep going
(1:44:40) Market forces are a source of feedback, free is not necessarily good
(1:46:07) No going back
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I was watching the Stephen Fry interview yesterday and now I’m watching this one and the same thing occurs to me: This is the closest thing we have to fireside elder wisdom we have now.
I’m very grateful for that.
Dito. This is so good !
So true right.
amen, my friend.
@RichardGrannon “Free is the wrong price.” Well done my friend. There was some feedback when you made your announcement. That feedback is primarily bullshit. You did the right thing.
@@Desertsilence *For sure.*
"I'll pay the price for what I have to say. I'm not going to pay the price to say what you want me to say. You go say it yourself and see what the hell happens." Beautiful classic JP!!
Yep. ❤ ❤ 🥰👍❣❣
Yes, he's a bulldozer when we need him to be. Just like the incident with that obnoxious idiot from the British tele who challenged Jordan on his right to free speech. Classic!
We all better put our necks out soon or were gonna be over taken in no time at all. If we havent completely lost the western world already. Because there's plenty ofevidence we have.
Exactly - Jordan’s voice was terribly missed and his voice is needed now more than ever. Take care, Jordan. We need you!
Thanks for your time and production, guys. I'm a millennial blue collar who's lost nearly everything in the last 2 years. At 36 I'm clueless where my future will lead. Thank you guys for sacrificing your own well being to even attempt at being a guiding light right now.
Sorry to hear your tale. Know this, good or bad, nothing lasts forever. Look for the next change...
@Archibald Tuttle- Absolutely
I’m having to relearn and figure out the same thing at 52.
@@debbiegum2226hearing people much older than me say this, gives me hope.
I'm extremely skeptical of people who try to vilify either of these men.
The true definition of skepticism requires the skeptic to be skeptic to skepticism.
Therefore just say that you know what you know.
They vilify them because they don't bend to the extreme leftist hate think.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven ok, people who see these men as villains are villains themself :)
Me too. It’s a great barometer for knowing who you’re dealing with though. :)
@@CelticSpiritsCoven skeptical of skepticism.
"The amount of support ... I can't wrap my head around it."
Well... For years you've been promoting cleaning up our rooms. Carrying the heaviest load we can bear. Helping people find purpose in what can seem a very hopeless world. You tell people to learn to live with the world that is and that nobody is perfect but to strive for the best they can manage. You advocate for people to be the kind of person who help their family through their father's funeral.
When you point people in the direction of becoming good people don't be surprised when they'll support and defend you.
All the best from Australia!
Perfectly written. Just perfect
You forgot that responsibility gives meaning to life.
Peterson has given the direction that many have not received from their fathers. This only proves that we each have that innate need, and how important mentors and parents are, even to adults.
You know what's bonkers? I've never been a huge fan of Peterson even though I appreciate his content, I don't see him as an idol. But one day when I heard a colleague say "he is one of the most dangerous men in america" I could not fucking believe my ears. How can the woke see that way someone that inspires words like yours. It's like they are watching a completely different TV show.
@@johnnypt14 feminists and woke believe that classic masculinity and responsibility is bad for some reason.
Jordan has been wounded and weakened partly through his stand for freedom and fairness, and yet he remains one of the top minds and men of character of our time. I love this man. Together these two men capsulize the highest intelligence and integrity of our time.
Amen
🙏🌿♥️
Thank you
So we’ll said
🎯
So calm, and knowledgeable, men like this along with the Almighty God give me constant faith in humanity and the future.
I agree, with what I can agree on . Which is a lot. Brilliant men. Thanks Guys. Sure sharpens my thinking on familiar subjects.
So privileged to have been able to listen to such a lovely and intimate conversation between two of the greatest minds of our time. 🙏
You helped me get sober dr.peterson I was a hardcore meth addict, alcoholic and homeless. I've been sober over a year,, have a place and a full time job. You've been a huge part of my recovery.
-Just want to say the amount of support has been overwhelming, thank you so much everyone. I didn't expect my comment to get so much attention.
Well done man!
That sounds so difficult. Sending you love bro
Appreciate it guys means alot
How so? Plz explain HOW he helped. Which part plz. Stay strong
@@bad71hd Obviously there's much more to add than what I specified. He seems to just have a talent to articulate something I knew inside myself but lacked the ability to put together in my own fucked up head.
I went through benzo withdrawal in a really bad way while my wife withered away. She left this earth at 32 years old. I was left alone with my two little girls. Wrap your head around it man because you helped me dig my way out of a very deep hole. You have inspired me beyond belief. You are a hero to me. Much love to you and your family Jordan ❤️
You along with Jordan Peterson are incredible men. The strength was always working you but wonderful people like these two help us realize it.
Good bless you man, I'll be praying you and your girls.
Sending you warm wishes and strength in raising your girls🤗
And YOU are your daughters HERO. Get Busy!
sending love
Even in pulling himself from the smoldering pit, this man has more conviction & compassion than seem humanly possible.
Watching Jordan & Bret is a master class on the critical thinking now absent from public discourse.
The public’s reaction to Dr Peterson’s lectures is one of starving hoards. Thank you for feeding so many. Especially the healthy food you dispense.
Being raised on a steady diet of guilt and criticism, I understand what a deep well of need there is in the world.
Indeed! Very well put!
Amen!
Your statement takes me back to the year I left the University. After having immersed myself in study of arts and science for many years, I was shocked with how dumb and lazy the world was when I came back to the real world. Jordan has offered the world another chance with the fullness of his being to drink deeply from Life.
I'm a 15 year old homeschooler from montana, and I've been watching you for a year or two and I hope to read your books one day, you're my hero keep up the amazing work.
You're lucky to have discovered these minds at your age.
Me too, not from Montana but I discovered them about 2 years ago as well and I'm 15
Good to see that there is a 15-year-old who wants to think for himself. Don't lose that desire.
I’ve been homeschooling my kids for the past ~15 years. We have watched Dr Peterson’s lectures and read his books. Also some of the books on his reading list. Great stuff. Very valuable lessons!! I’m glad you found him!
Excellent! I remember being involved in deep thought from a very early age. It did make me feel lonely and eventually I had to 'dumb myself down' or else have no friends and social life. But with luck and the right encouragement, you won't have to. Don't let the world make you dumb yourself down. I hope you explore your intelligence to its absolute limit. The world needs people like you. 👍 ❤✌🇬🇧
My parents both died last November from COVID, I was their only child. I wrote their obituaries, I organized their funerals I spoke at both of them, I comforted my wife and my moms family and my dads family and my own kids and it was hard. I’m glad I found Dr. Peterson and I think he is a gift from God. He has helped me be a better man.
I’m sorry for your incredible loss and I’m sending love, for what it’s worth from a stranger.
So sorry for your loss. I wish all the good to you and your family from Finland
My condolences to you - I am sorry to hear of your loss.
So very sorry for your terrible loss. Sending you love and prayers.
Thank you guys for sending condolences. I’m very glad to have had those responses it helps. Thank you!
So great being allowed to enjoy a conversation of this depth, really love these guys. Brilliant
Two of the most brilliant and important minds of our generation.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a President that could speak so eloquently? He could hopefully be able to convince our advisories to live in peace and harmony with us.
@@taon2004 Can you name a few who would deserve this kind of praise then?
@@taon2004 and do you think it's okay what happened to him at Evergreen? And he does not sound like he's grifting on the victim role, but perhaps i am just another one of the blind ones.
Yes. I am eternally grateful for these two great minds
Lol Bret really is that profound
I broke in tears myself listening to the terrible experience, that Jordan has to go through on a daily basis. Jordan, please do not ever forget that you helped thousands, if not millions of people, me included, to be able to get out of the bed in the morning. You helped to find meaning and realize what is important. You thought us to listen and take care of ourselves. I don't know if I was still alive if not you. Thank you, Jordan, for all the effort and the light you shine on all of us.
I pray for his health, he is very inspirational to me
Yes I’m another and yea no matter what’s at stake. You stay in bed if your legs let you go back to sleep and have vile night terrors
The amount Ive grown as a man listening to Jordan the past few years is tremendous. Your audience is still here, and wiser, more financially set, mentally prepared. If you need to lean on us, you can. We will always have your back and will take you any way you come.
I think that we can perhaps thank Dr. Peterson in some tiny measure by holding him in our prayers, for those of that inclination.
I admire these men and their ability to articulate such important topics in an intelligent and stimulating way. Thank you Jordan for all the wealth of experience you share so courageously. I along with millions, admire you more than you know.
You're so vulnerable in this, Jordan. So raw. You're such a genuine human being.
Bret is right. So many people are rooting for you. We believe in you. You can do this.
Yeah, scam artists like that have no principles.
HEAR,HEAR!!!
I think they deleted their post. Ha ha!
Its not vulnerability it's real life. We tend to construct barriers on people we tend to look up to.
Ikr....my eyes got a little "filmy" when his vulnerable side peeped out for a picosecond
“Hang in there brother. We need you.” - Bret Weinstein + the many thousands of us out here who are with you in spirit and have been helped by your insight, compassion, and inspiration. Thank you Jordan and thank you Bret.
Those tears are HEALING to observe and feel. I'm so grateful to witness the true heart behind the truth telling. Bless you both, very much ❣
True men! I am sobbing!
Dr. Peterson, You are cherished by people, world-wide. We recognize in you a reluctant warrior and we love you for it. I am 71 years old, and learning, at last, to enter adulthood. Thank you for lighting the way. You don't owe us any more than what you've already given, but you will remain important no matter how much, or how little you can do.
Barry I feel so encouraged reading your comment. To think there are people like you out there who are busy discovering what the world still has to teach them... that there's no age limit on that.
Awesome comment.
I have loved this discussion. Thank you for bringing a meaningful conversation to your listeners. For validating the feelings and beliefs of so many.
Wow. What a statement. Beautiful statement.
I'd be interested to know how that makes you feel. About now, the future, your past.
Thank you, Barry. I too, at age 56, am "learning to enter adulthood." I've dumped on myself very harshly over the years for not having my personal and professional life more together. It's so encouraging to hear that someone older than me is confronting the same struggle.
I'm an Iranian and Jordan Peterson changed my life, thank you JP!
@@jordanpeterson2192 You’re NOT Jordan Peterson, you’re an F-ing grifter and you can go get bent . Leave this dude alone 😡
@The Blind Owl Hello friend from across the globe ! I’m an American and I’ve had a similar experience and am working on things and though I stumble EVERY DAY, it’s really helping nevertheless ! All the best to you and yours. Also, don’t fall for the “Jordan Peterson” reply to you....it obviously isn’t him and are here to grift and take your $ !
Good to hear. I'm sure you've worked it out, but the comment claiming to be Peterson is not. I've reported it. He's not Jordan Peterson, he's not praying for you, he's trying to prey on you.
@@1daveyp I reported as well. Thanks 🙏
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The commenters in this thread warm my heart and restore my faith in humanity ❤️ Such compassion, gratitude to JP and Bret, and positivity. So proud to be a part of a community of smart, deep, and wise thinkers, who also happen to be caring people.
"It's so terrible, that I can't even think about it, without it being traumatic" Woo... I felt that 😔
4:48 sweet words
6:52 the evergreen story
11:59 why bret took his stand
15:36 why jordan took his stand
18:52 the london times
20:58 what animates the woke
24:07 sanity
30:35 hit pieces
33:07 jordans suffering
35:44 the digital revolution
36:41 liberalism/pareto distribution/unintended consequences
45:29 on a precipice in a wind storm
49:56 politicization
52:51 covid
57:04 the developmental landscape of generations/the internet is postmodern
1:05:47 civilization coming apart
1:08:03 identity
1:12:15 healthy socialization/antisocial children
1:14:51 the job of the parent
1:19:20 everyone is becoming acutely paranoid
1:22:03 indifference to the prevailing wisdom
1:24:45 a budget for discordant interaction
1:27:59 self identification on the internet vs the real world
1:31:08 what do people do when they are off the map
1:33:34 evolutionary hypernovelty
1:34:49 our capacity for adaptation
1:38:42 hope for jordans recovery
1:41:18 jordans enemies
1:46:11 would bret do it again
1:49:14 parting words
Wow thank you
Been looking for this comment, thank you a lot :)
You're a saint
Good looks bro
I appreciate your specificity...they don’t speak of masculinity during this discussion?
Bret Weinstein provides a wonderful example of how "just listening" (empathetic listening) can be therapeutic. Bret was *BEAMING* as Jordan started to re-energize and talk! It was at that point, Bret knew Jordan *TRULY IS* on the path of recovery, and will be returning to help millions.
Kudos to Bret!
Out KK I'll
I'm at the beginning, now I can't wait for that part of the podcast :D
I don't think you have an accurate grasp of what Jordan is going through. If it's not in his best interest to return to a role that landed him where he is, it's incredibly selfish of you (and those like you) to pressure him to do so. The line between support and pressure is thin.
@@Cardinnall I think you need to re-read my comment. My comment was about Bret, who is providing an empathetic ear!
Talking vs. empathetic listening are very different! I've been through very tough times, and in retrospect I realize I got through it by talking with a friend who JUST LISTENED as I talked.
@@maiyenish8552 Fair. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Can we take a moment to appreciate the fact that we just got to witness the true interaction between these two greats as if they were there in person and we were a fly on the wall. There was no trace of fakeness that many conversations on camera would have. This was as authentic and real as they come. Hats off to both Dr. Peterson and Dr. Weinstein for recording this and for being so forthright and unfiltered.
I love that you have super supportive parents, Jordan. I'm one who was never encouraged by my parents and I'm your age--it's been hard, but I love seeing the difference it's made in you, and you have encouraged me and so many others. THANK YOU for living out your very important life with such integrity.
I’ve heard their voices so much, they almost feel like friends
Same here!
Too true 😊😊
Ya, I'm almost convinced they're friends too.
You guys should check out aydin paladins CZcams video on parasocial relationships. She explores the phenomenon that you guys seem to be experiencing.
Absolutely!
It really breaks my insides to see Dr. Peterson get so emotional. I hope he knows how much we really love him..not just depend on him for encouragement.
We love him.
I love the guy for sure. He's a better man than me. However, the force of will is something I think is much more paramount to survival than any other rule. The ability to impose one's will is a terrible responsibility, the more power you have to impose it, the more you'll be tempted to use it.
aww poor baby
Your insides must get broken all the time, buddy cries pretty much every video
@@isaacisaac9658 I enjoy crying as much as I do laughing. Sorry if you cannot.
I’m a Canadian from Ontario ( 70 years old woman) I am so happy and blessed to have listened to numerous podcasts of yours. I regained hope for the next generation! God bless your heart and your family. Lisa- Marie.
I would absolutely LOVE to see a WEEKLY or regular podcast with the two of you together like this. You both are SO intelligent, so intuitive and you both love humanity so much and have a sincere desire for real truth. You both have our (humanity) best interests at heart to a fault. There’s SO much power and synergy between you two. I listen to you both independently as often as I can....it’s solid gold. It’s like a “handle on reality” in a sea of total noise and confusion in this world we’re in now...
Dr. Peterson....We are rooting for you. Stay strong.
I'm rooting for him because if he doesn't get his shyte wired straight there are going to be thousands of little lobster wannabes wobbling around in a benzo-ketamine induced psychotic stupor because they followed "dad's" advice.
Dr. Pill Popper should've paid more attention to mastering his own physiology instead of pretending to know about lobster psycho-biology.
@@Insect0man If you wait to learn from someone who has never made a mistake then you will never learn.
@@Insect0man Do you have the authority to decide which medications are best suited to which psychological ailments? Or are you just discrediting & disrespecting people who suffer from dangerously severe depression?
@@Insect0man Meanwhile you're singing about Christ and smearing over a dozen comment threads of people trying to be positive here. What was that He said about the plank in your own eye?
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When Dr. Peterson gets teary talking about how desperate people are for encouragement really gets to me. I love this about him. It's important that we honestly encourage each other ❤
Some people won't be good when you honestly attempt to encourage them.
You have to reach for the pinnacle. "Encouraging" isn't the top. It's best to aim to the highest.
I also am touched by that.
My biggest take away from this lovely talk was to be more encouraging to those around me. it's true that some people won't accept it, or worse, will take it as condescension, but sometimes encouragement hits the mark. At those times it can be incredibly important to the recipient. I think that makes it worth the cost of those other awkward moments.
I totally understand why he reacts that way, I think. I grew up around a lot of tragedy in my life, and it really does take a huge toll. Makes the world seem an extremely difficult and cruel place to exist in. So I can't imagine how tough it is for him after hearing the thousands of stories of immense suffering he's heard.
Which is so ironic. All the people who label him as something malicious and cruel. He is the ONE person who knows what real suffering and it's effects look like. I guess that's what can confuse some people. That he's seen what can FIX suffering, and it isn't just patting someone on the back and saying "you're fine as you are"
Not to be reductive but my brilliant wife puts it like this: women nurture, men encourage. I think we're at an impasse where we've denigrated what men can do for society, and when people get a taste of what it could/should be like again, they're overcome with emotion.
The more I see and hear of Peterson, I become convinced he is a kind and gentle soul. People take his certainty for arrogance and his intelligence for brashness, but he cares so much it causes him pain . He makes such an effort to be polite and kind when he speaking . Just amazing.
Dr Peterson I just want to say that I found your lectures at the absolute lowest part of my life and I can say with no qualification that your genuine truthfulness saved my life. I absolutely believe you have in yourself the ability to beat these circumstances that are challenging you now. I know you can, I believe you will and if it matters I pray for you
This kind of conversation is treasure!!! Thank you Jordan and Bret
"I'll pay the price for what I have to say, but I won't pay the price for what you want me to say. You go say it yourself and see what the hell happens." - 19:57
No vaccines Mr Peterson bro...
Mr Peterson is a word savage
That's how I feel when I speak up for veganism in the "modern world."
I just finished 12 Rules for Life
your lectures and podcasts have LITERALLY turned my life around (0% exaggeration)
and unfortunately, atm, all I can do is say THANK YOU
Ditto! If these “12 Rules for life” is not part of the “Ten Commandments” in the next 100 years, I would be surprised!
12 Rules literally changed my life around too! I listened to the audio 5x, read the book once and each time I listen, I become a better person! It’s amazing
Maybe someday you'll be able to tell him in person!
I think that's saying quite a lot.
You can do a lot more than that.
I'm looking forward to the new book. If anyone reading this hasn't read 12 Rules, do yourself a favor and do it. Dr. Peterson voices the audio book also.
Thank you Jordan and Bret for a very powerful and meaningful dialogue. An important exchange and interchange of theories and observations. Eye opening on multiple levels. My respect for both of you just continues to grow and grow. Jordan, there are many people in my sphere of influence that are very grateful you are willing to press on in spite of all that you continue to endure through. We add our faith, hope and prayers in support of you.
"If people will only use something if it's free, it might not be any good" -- I wish more people would grasp that.
Successful people do!
Sounds like something a salesman said to me
Mr Peterson gets teary eyed when he speaks of all those people that came to him and told him he was the light in their darkest hours of their life. He was thankful to be able to help but also had to bear the extremely heavy burden of realising that so many, soooo many people were so desperate for any form of encouragement and not getting one bit of it.
The fact that realising this was a heavy burden for him, to me, speaks volumes about the gigantic heart this man has for his fellow man (and woman) and of his character. I seriously believe mr Peterson is a very special person in these times and i would not be surprised if he gets public, mainstream recognition for his help and work long after he has passed on. And i think it is barely short of a crime how this man and his family have been treated.
It is fortunate for us all that we can see and experience this pearl of a man today. I also sincerely hope he can deal with his demons and wish him all the best for himself and his family.
I've seen that happen to him so often now that I wonder if a specific example comes to his mind when he speaks about it which triggers that response.
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✝️ *Lord Jesus died & rose again to pay the debt of your sin!*
🔵It is Gods Gift to us by His grace, we dont earn it by what we do/how good we are!
✅By Faith in the sacrifice God has made are we saved from the penalty of sin!
💜We are all sinners that need God. No one can say they are perfect to be able to pay their debt of sin. This is why only God could pay the penalty for us, that is merciful Love!
@@ricoparadiso huh
I completely agree with all that, he is a truly good man.
This is how I remember adults talked when I was younger.
Then you were privileged to grow up around people who think
I remember it too.
Jordon spoke over him, and he kinda rescinded and moved on as he didn’t want to challenge Jordan .
Oh wow this comment depressing to me in way I don't understand.
Lucky you, glad that's the case though.
What a pair! Thank you both for your honesty and integrity. We need your ideas, your example, and more dialogue like this. Lots of love your way.
"An identity that doesn't solve the problem of how you're going to live isn't an identity. I don't know what it is but it isn't an identity." - JP
"I feel so bad. I can't believe I can feel that bad and still be alive." Is very familiar to many people living with chronic illness. But we endure and where there is life there is hope
I felt that exact same way when I went through my divorce. I couldn't believe someone could experience such heartbreak and still be alive! I know the pain is not the same, but we can experience them in similar ways, I think. My heart goes out to the good doctor💜
For me, learning to live with excruciating physical spine pain every moment of every single day was the hardest thing I could even imagine UNTIL my heart was shattered after 20 years of dedicated ‘good’ marriage...simply being alive is an achievement!
@@tmcobb1888 Yes dear Tammy, but God has the capacity to turn your pain into a pearl. You go girl!
@@di2ish thank you, and yes, he certainly has! Life can definitely get better on the other side of suffering💜
Feel that way every day, but God and good people keep me going 👍
Jordan Peterson is like a father to a fatherless generation. His support shouldn't be shocking.
He is more like a guide.
I have a hard time understanding this sentiment. He seems like an extremely taught and distraught person - not comforting at all and very caught up. I’m not without sympathy for him though, nor am I a fan. He’s a curious person. He’s not boring, that’s for sure.
@@begshallots my partner shares your sentiment. I can absolutely see where you're coming from, despite my admiration of him.
@@begshallots you're misunderstanding what people are missing I think. They aren't being encouraged by their parents, or anyone for that matter, to aim for their highest achievable good and that's exactly what Jordan stands for and is instructing people in. It isn't about being comforting, it's about directing aimless people.
@@begshallots considering Peterson’s “save your father” schtick I do t think you can’t have both be true. You know I have my dad but a tyrannical mom nigh removed his influence, he did as a good a job as he could’ve done given the circumstances, and while he’s supportive he’s a damaged person, ESPECIALLY after what my mother has done to him. They’ve been divorced and you know I have to help him deal with the fact that the life he put his heart and soul into for 24 was VERY suddenly ripped away and so much that he thought was so wasn’t.
Who thinks that you don’t have to shoulder your parents a bit too when you’re older?
What does his own struggles take away from his message? Do t shoot messengers
I feel so privileged to have access to these discussions. Its difficult to find anything else this interesting and informative. I love both your humbleness and 💪
Here are some other refreshing podcasts/ discussions/ interviews
Hoover Institution
Uncommon Knowledge
Thomas Sowell
Heather Macdonald
Victor Hanson
Two of my favourite people online. Thank you for this podcast- there is always something amazing to learn.
My father left when I was a teenager, I never got any talk about responsibilities. A few months ago, my fiancé cheated on me and it broke our relationship. I spent 3 months on valium before to be able to come back from that experience. I am a graduated student in philosophy, and I knew that life is hard, but I was not expecting to get that depressed. Peterson's lectures pushed me to read Jung and helped me to realize that I had to reconcile with my shadow, listen to my dream and to my unconscious and above all, to not be resentful about all the suffering but to be thankful for all the happiness I got in the past. So, thank you Jordan for encouraging young people to go that way, thank you for making us face our responsibilities and thank you for making us better people.
May you have sisu in abundance my friend ! Keep on keeping on 😎👍
I love Aristotle and Aquinas and take solace and hope from their affirmation of a necessary Final Cause which is LOVE. Love is why we are moved by the good, the beautiful and the true. Aristotle's Unmoved Mover . is love. Love moves without itself moving. The world of God. Love. Moving everything. Cheers amigo.
"Ive got 99 problems, and a bitch aint one" - Jay z
There are more like you than you realise. I worry about anyone who doesn't feel the value of these videos. In fact, I have taken it a little further, I judge people's character by their reactions to the content of Jordan Peterson's videos... 😁
Stay strong, king.
"An identity that doesn't solve the problem of how you're going to live, isn't an identity". That's gold
Timestamp please?
@@mfbianchino 1:34:07
@@MultiDMT legend ♥️ Thanks!!
An inanimate object has never once had to worry about it's own existence, let alone how to live with its self, as it is! Omg. That's a very profound say. Few things grab my mind anymore, BUT DANG! Lol.... that was awesome right...
I felt the same.
I loved this! A very interesting and beautifully supportive conversation between two friends which also happen to be two of my favorite people online.
Thank you very much guys for making this video. It's seldom you hear so much sense being discussed in so short time. I think your audience will either listen to the single word and try as much as they can to follow your advices, or they will scan through it and be afraid. I am of the first kind. Keep it coming Jordan!
Bret Weinstein calling him a friend was such a beautiful moment
Time stamp?
So touching. Seeing Jordan tear up with compassion for lonely discarded humans is in my top 5 moments of all time. Bless you both!
@@sqwk2559 Wow. The littlest crab in the bucket speaks.
Jordan, pray to Jesus Christ, daily, and sincerely. Joy will come in and become central. May be the suggestion seems amateurish, and silly and may be trivializing ur struggles. I can only say it had helped me, though no logical sense could be made of it at first. Please try
@@sqwk2559 theres something missing in all our lives which is why we are here lol
These two fine men have done a great service to many people through their wisdom and observations. I hope they can rest assured in the knowledge that they continue to positivley influence every day people every day. Life is hard, and it's a bloody struggle but we can all take solace in the fact that we don't need to stuggle alone. God bless you both and thank you so much for the work that you do.
Well said Pulpapple - I agree with everything you said -
We need people like this - they give us hope and astonishing insights and information -
Life is goddam hard but we keep battling -
Bless you 🤝❤️
@@wallybingbang7359 Spot on. It's touching to see how deeply affected Jordan is when he talks about meeting people who were in need of encouragement. Sounds like he's having a tough time of it at the moment and I hope he's feeling the love back from all the people he's helped along the way.
Nice one, hope you have a lovely day!
(see, not everything online needs to be toxic!!)
mathematical calculator
Jordan....I just listened to this heartfelt conversation... brought me to tears...I want to comment b4 I forget... the setting for your teaching may have contracted, but your audience and your influence has expanded to those who may never have had the opportunity to hear you... God always opens a window if we are paying attention... prayers for you!
I can’t imagine anything negative sticking to JP, anyone who has truly listened to the earnestness in his voice will him will stand by him.
And that's what drives the left, or at least the shallow, self-loathing, jealous left so crazy. He has a moral compass, they have Marx and and the Postmodernists.
@Joni Mac- you are 💯 % correct
Doctor Jordan, I hope you read this. When you started tearing up, I also began to weep for you. Your strength and your voice gives me hope for this world's future. My husband compared you to Aristotle and Plato just a few days ago. I completely agree with him. Just to hear you read poetry from your book compelled me to write my own for the first time in 10 years. You've inspired me to find a career, pursue a dream, become less nihilistic. I'm crying right now as I write this because I want your suffering to go away, and it bothers me that it's always the best people that suffer. But I will remain grateful despite it all. I am grateful I found your work. My husband and I bought both of the 12 Rules books, your Maps of Meaning, and Crime and Punishment. I hope you continue to write and put out videos. Please never completely disappear.
Same here
And that’s for expiring it so wall that I couldn’t
I share your heartfelt sentiments. God bless him
wise words
This is two men, trying to describe reality without lying. This is the most noble goal there is, and I thank you for doing the right thing!
To discover and conform to truth; that is the root of human dignity.
Oh hell yes!! Very good observations.
@@777Looper And the virtue of humility.
MHi kol
I like the way you phrased that. "trying to describe reality without lying"
What a great conversation between two great men. I thank you both for sharing your experience and insight. ❤️
I’ve been watching your stuff for years, this is the first time I’ve seen you so open and vulnerable. This has really helped me, you described the way I’ve been the last 2 years, thank you for your openness.
Stop me if you’ve heard this one: Two brilliant men walked into a podcast and brought logic and reason back to the world.
so what your saying is..... males are bigots? -Kathy Newman
I'd love to keep hearing more of this
Peterson admitted he can't even define what Male and Female are. Monumental psychobabble FAIL.
@@Insect0man If you feel de need to call it babble, better to consider you didn't understand it rather than presume it didn't make sense. Better than demonstrating your misunderstanding. How about YOU demonstrate a definition of male and female to elucidate your point? But more important than that, you merely point out 1 perceived inconsistency, which is a tiny moment in the whole conversation, it was not the main thread, and not critical to it. That gives ME the impression you merely tried to find any point to discredit the whole. Never mind hiding behind a fake name. In that light you actually provide supporting evidence for the main point Brett Weinstein was making. Well done (insect 0 - how small can you get?) man.
@@luukvanbastenbatenburg395 Batenburg wins - Fatality
Bret: "It is extremely difficult to distinguish betwee-"
Peterson: "The seal's the one on the left."
Somehow it’s not surprising that they both own bear skulls
😂
Challenge accepted and situation diffused in a fraction of a second...
😂😂😂
He was still wrong wasn't he? Haha
I feel very lucky to be able to witness this enriching conversation. Thank you both.
Thank you Brett for speaking for so many of us and expressing directly and eloquently our care, encouragement, and gratitude to Jordan.
Thanks dads 🙏🏼🤣
@@jordanpeterson4278 Wow, imagine having the free time to post troll comments under a false name, writing elaborate creative bs.
@@Deffine that’s not jordan... did you even look at the channel?
@@redautumn5441 Wtf are you talking about?
@@Deffine the guy that commented “Thanks dads”?
Dr. Peterson is the meta-father to our fatherless generation. I've seen people make fun of the fact that we view Jordan as a father figure but I feel no shame at all admitting it. Some of us never had a proper positive male role model even into our 20s or 30s. Like Jordan says, we were desperate for just a little bit of encouragement. We didn't even realize how bad we needed it. We never had any, at all. I understand why he gets choked up when he talks about it; trying to fathom the scope of his impact must be overwhelming. The suffering that made us so thirsty for his message is great. He's taken on a huge responsibility and I've never once seen him take it for granted or abuse the platform that he's gained from it. I speak for many young men when I say this: we are truly grateful for Dr. Peterson and we're certainly not ashamed of it. So thank you, good doctor
Every single time Jordan cries, I cry. The pain in his voice just strikes at my soul.
Me too. I think for the same reasons as Jordan. I have a lot of people, particularly kids, but parents of kids too who are awe stricken I think, to encounter a person who they don't necessarily know right away, who genuinely wants the absolute best for them, and their children. Even at the risk of incredible personal cost. Its the reason people are awe stricken which can be horribly tragic. Jordan lays it out well. They have never seen or received real encouragement... Consequently they can find it difficult to properly encourage their own children, even though that is desperately want they want. (starting to cry myself now). Anyway, the tears come from the real personal encounters for me. Both positive tears and negative tears at the same time for me... How about you, cheeckymunki6?
Chester Bennington struck that tone with me...even before his death, I knew he wasn't faking it
No doubt!
Absolutely 😭 I’m so glad to see Brett bring out Jordan’s light.💞
Jbp’s hair would look powerful combed forward
Bret, you are so refreshing and gentle. Thanks for this interview participation.
Thanks so much both of you for your genuine personal expression of your experiences.
Euphoria, euphoria to listen to a conversation like this for free. Jordan Peterson, Bret Weinstein, thank you. I found myself breathless after this talk, breathless and grateful.
Euphoria or Eugenics? Eugene or mundane? Mud pies
Agreed, Mr. Lay.
They gave you a 'gasm?
Very grateful!
I also enjoyed it, though personally prefer people who push the boundaries and unravel the narrative even more like ex. Edward Dutton.
Dr. Brett Weinstein is such a wonderful person. How anybody can be so shameless to label such a person as a bigot?
By being thoughtless as well
He's a truly wonderful human.
Just a label to justify ignoring him...
He's one of those Jewish Nazis
Malice. Evil. Ignorance. Take your pick
Amazing to see these two giants, behaving in a very vulnerable way by thinking out loud their unfinisched thoughts. They are clearly learning from eachother while discussing their interesting hypotheses. I love these kind of discussions and am so pleases that they are willing to share this with us.
I can't believe I haven't watched this one yet, we're blessed to have both of you and I don't know how we'd get by without your wisdom and genuine care for us all and society. Thank you!!
I'm so soo happy and thankful Jordans feeling better! I mean that now not at the time this video was made because I know he was still going through a lot of pain and THANK you Bret for saying the things to Jordan and reflecting our feelings to him.
19:57 "I'll pay the price for what I have to say, I'm not going to pay the price to say what you want me to say. You go say it yourself and see what the hell happens!"
Best quote of the stream. This comment needs more upvotes.
Actually what he's probably paying the price for is pretending to understand lobster psycho-biology while not understanding that Ketamine has a long documented history of association with psychosis.
Oops.
@@Insect0man what does Jordan not know specifically about lobster psychobiology?
Yes that was great - that’s assertiveness at it’s finest 🙃
@@Insect0man
His link between humans and lobsters is serotonin - unless I’m not getting what you are saying ?
But yes - ketamine addiction causes lesions in the brain 🦞
Jordan Peterson is so honest talking about his weakness and that makes him strong! So few people are like him! Great guest, too!
kk
The Dark Web Rises 😊
Thank you for taking the time to have this conversation.
Gosh this was so incredible! Two amazing men! This brought me to tears!
Not even 4 minutes in and I now know that sea bears exist.
they looked around & couldnt bear it
Bears don't have tails, but seals do?
@@nicholasr79 Bears have tails. As short as the tails of seals.
"What did I do this time?"
"I dunno, guess he just doesn't like you"
@@nicholasr79 bears have tiny tails
Jordan’s suffering is not in vain, for what it’s worth. We hear you and we’re with you! Jordan is inspiring our generation and many generations to come...a true visionary.
Yes. It's never helpful to sound dramatic, and maybe this will, but the more I hear of JP, the more I feel he is something akin to a true martyr.
I so enjoyed this conversation that seems to be so currently applicable even this many months since it was posted. Jordan, your determination in attacking each day is inspiring! I saw your video where you spoke about finding Jesus and can imagine how challenging and life breathing it is for you to seriously study scripture. Praying for your daily journeys with God.
And Bret, I have so appreciated the talks you & Heather have shared which have encouraged and enlightened so many of us during this crazy time of Covid.
My two favourite mentors together. Love hearing their discussion. Brett is so kind and supportive in his tone and messaging when speaking to Jordan. Such beautiful minds these two. So grateful to them both and what they have to contribute to society. Feeling positive for the day!
The fact Jordan teared up when discussing those who lack support and encouragement, really made me understand that I am in that boat and it is up to me and my children to change that for the better.
We should really take a good care for our closed ones. Sometimes a few words or even a gesture will be enough to raise ones spirit in a troubling hour.
Do you have the timestamp for those comments? Would love to quote them.
@@mitchellastevens @21:50 is where the question starts, it's kind of long but worth the listen
Jordan Peterson may have been having a particularly tough day when interviewing Bret. It was an outstandily interesting conversation, but what really struck me has how Bret was so skillful in supporting Jordan when he was struggling. He acknowledged Jordan's challenges without nursing his pain; Bret showed much understanding to Jordan's plight yet reminded him of his past achievements and encouraged him to keep working at it. Bret is a deeply compassionate and blindly intelligent man. So many of us would do well to be a bit more like Bret and Jordan so they are not shouldering so much of the fight.
I completely agree. ❤️
Indeed. John Anderson of Australia is similarly brilliant and compassionate. It is wonderful to see these men in whom sensitivity and compassion + intelligence and articulateness -> strength and greatness. 🙏🏼
That was beautifully stated!
I was thinking that too, but did not know how to articulate like you did. Thank you!
Brett is amazing and seems to be a very kind hearted soul along with his wife too and they are blessed & very gifted. Seeing them share that with the world it's God like to me! Outstanding! Thank you to all that share their gifts from God! ♥️👍🏻💜🙏🏻
Love this ❤️ and compassionate like you
@@cherier3283 thank you, dear. 🙏🙋🏻♀️
Thank you, Jordan. You have helped us so much. My husband has suffered like yourself. I don't know where he gets his strength from. He took early retirement from academia as the politics - well it wasn't worth fighting.
I wept hearing this podcast, having much compassion for you, Jordan!
My son recommended your many talks about 3 yrs ago when I was hungry for knowledge and TRUTH!
I honor your good spirit and your courage in the face of the trauma inflicted upon you by prideful, totally
ignorant people! I am keeping you in my prayers. God bless you and your family! Thank you for enriching my life by your brilliance and grace in the face
of oppression.
1:41:34 “Your enemies know what you are. They know that a voice like yours carries a tremendous amount of weight. That their fictions will not survive in the context of a countervailing force like that, and that’s why they come after you”.
Spot on Bret.
That is also why they refuse to "man up" and debate you.
Well stated and 100% correct.
@@playnejayne5550 I agree.
AMEN 🙏
Jordan Peterson is one of the nicest and genuinely good people in the world. I cannot emphasize how much the world needs more people like him.
I think that's his problem.
His IQ is too high for him to acknowledge there are things he'll never understand, yet he is too nice to understand some of the darkness humans have inside themselves. So he has to fight to keep this darkness at bay.
Thank heavens he has a couple of people helping him, alone he'd be lost, which would be a shame, the internet needs him as a daddy :o)
@@bleiglanz that's a strange thing to say, considering the premise of his books are that the human race is incredibly dark.
@@bleiglanz further more of you have watched any of his videos at all, he is constantly saying there are all sorts of things he doesn't understand at all
@@PaperGrape I don't know him personally, but I do know some people with similarly high IQ. And the one thing they have in common is that they wouldn't stop until they understand something, even if it takes months of study.
Peterson studied Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia together with an enormous range of fiction about the human darkness and how ordinary people turn to the dark side.
But as far as I know Peterson is also a Christian (so his god tells him to be a good person) and he is definitely trying to be a nice person (maybe he just is). And it's exhausting to cope with the contradiction between studying darkness yet being a nice guy. Especially if you are prone to depression, which is genetic (so there's nothing you can do).
Anyway, it's good he gets all the help he needs and has a nice family and good friends. Could be worse.
@@bleiglanz well, you are on to something. I am a Christian, more fundamentally so, and I believe I also see Jordan's intellect as a curse on this matter, because though he holds deep religious beliefs, it is not clear to me that he believes in substitutionary atonement. And that is actually the crux of the matter, so yes, I do believe that is a terrible burden to bear.
I do agree, though. I'm really happy to see him surrounded by great people like BW
I enjoyed this tremendously. I related to the issues of health and I see you as strong to keep pushing. Sometimes we reach that point and either push ahead with what we have left or just quit. I don't plan to quit and I hope you don't quit. I have an MS in Clinical Psychology and worked with addicts in a small rural mental health center in Arkansas. My health forced me to quit at age 57. At 70 I still read a lot and help friends via phone when I can. Your work is a great encouragement to me. I think I've made the last major shift I can make in my life. I don't have the energy to start over again.
Every time I watch one of JP’s podcasts I just feel that little bit more enlightened to what is going on. Understanding the changing world around us is paramount to breaking it down and changing it for the better. These are helping. Thanks x
This makes me very sad to hear Dr. Peterson suffering in this way, I will add him to my prayers ...he is such an asset to our society ....GOD bless you 🙏
"Your audience will accept you in any way you can show up for them."
Absolutely. From this admirer - Jordan, you went through hell...you and your family...on multiple levels. I feel honored that you even provided us a video after all of that. You owe the world NOTHING - you've already given so much. Don't be so hard on yourself. You always are. I think that is the main burden of self-reflective people.
While is True and i agree completly. I would tell him "you still have so much to give" rather than "you owe the world nothing". I feel he is hard with himself in a way to push him back into his feet and get back to the fight. But i may be wrong.
How can we rescue our metaphorical father from the belly of the beast? I think the only way is to 'pay attention' and make our way in the world integrated and with integrity.
Jordan is gifted in several ways and he has blessed us and the world by developing those gifts and sharing their fruits. With gifts/abilities come burdens as you point out. One of Jordan's most highly developed gifts is empathy. It really struck me early in this conversation when he was tearing up and speaking about all the pain in the world. He spoke of the desperation in people to find encouragement. It is hard to explain the experience of feeling someone else's pain to someone who has not had that experience themselves. The thing is that Jordan is feeling the pain of 1000's of people that he met and connected with in person. I know what it is like to experience this on a scale of 10 maybe 20 people at most. Even at that level it was often confusing and overwhelming. Where does my own pain end and the pain of other people begin? Is this pain I am feeling mine or someone elses? I can not begin to imagine what it would be like to feel that pain on the scale that JP has. I wish I could somehow take some of this burden from him and carry it as a friend would do for a friend. I pray that he will find peace and that he will find freedom from this heavy burden he carries. It is too much for one man in my opinion. This may be a factor in his physical crisis. I wonder if he has tried meditation as a practice before. I know from experience how powerful a mindfulness meditation practice can be. I think it would be very beneficial to JP. Anyway, I pray that God blesses him and his family and that they find peace and freedom in their lives.
Respect and love...
@@kennethlynch2907 Empathy (particularly in men) is terribly underrated. It’s one of the most vitally important skills one can nurture for the betterment of all, including ourselves!
My wishes for my son before he was born were, “Healthy, Happy & Kind”...I’ve added “Brave” because I’m severely lacking!
Thank you gentlemen, for your courage and guidance thru the chaos….
Thx a lot, both of you - love from Thailand !
Bret, you're needed as Jordan's 'wingman' ... he thrives when surrounded by such strength!!!! Look at what you've done today! Thanks...thanks ...thanks!!!
Yes, better than that Dave Rubin.
Yes extremely well said ! Jordan himself pointed out how rejuvenating it was for him to run scientific hypothesis by him in the absence of his graduate students.
The intellectual engagement Jordan gets from him is energizing for him.
So true
These two have quite a striking dynamic. It’s truly magical.
excuse me? As Jordans wingman?
Jordan Peterson saved my life. I am not the only one, I wish him well in his recovery!
@Jordan B Peterson WTF man that’s a very elaborated scam 😂
@batsbob How much money have you lost on the scams?
@batsbob Scammers have accents and a script that are designed to make you confused yet subservient. Keep you confused and compliant.
JP is above you. WAY above your IQ level to comprehend.
You literally are unable to comprehend even if you tried. It's above you.
Nature is as nature does.
Keep licking the window.
Very interesting conversation. Thank you both! The idea of identity crisis as a result of a misding phase in childhood play is astounding. Also the concept of the internet realm as the postmodern world. Great food for thought!
A wonderful conversation to be a fly on the wall for. Thanks for sharing
Peterson is looking and sounding better each time he shows up.
Of course I want to hear what he has to say but, part of the reason I click on every new video he posts is to see how he’s doing! So happy that everytime it seems to be better.
We’re rooting for you, Peterson!!!
Tbh though, I can still hear the pain in his voice and his words... He sounds traumatised to me :( His ability to express his difficulties in such an articulated manner simply makes it seem like he has it together.
@@mariebonaparte6882 Absolutely. Trauma is stored in the body and I’m sure he’s going to be dealing with the effects of what he went through for a very long time. I think that doing this is very healing for him. It seems to bring him a lot of joy
I was thinking the same thing
He certainly is. But he’s also been very candid about the fact that he’s living in a moment-to-moment hell. I think if we “saw” him how he was feeling physically, it would be jarring to say the least.
The man needs our prayers.
I have never commented on a video in my life. Zero social media in my life. So I don't reach out too much to comment or voice my opinion. This was THE BEST conversation I've ever heard. Please please please keep doing what you guys are doing. I have read 12 rules I don't know how many times and just got the newest 12 rules delivered. I plan on reading that just as many times. You two are outstanding, we need your voice, your precision, your intelligence, your courage .... for the world and for us as individuals. Jordan you have no idea how much you have helped me understand the world and myself. Please keep powering through your pain because you are the only voice that clearly explained to me, precisely, how to be. I love you guys. I want to keep explaining the impact you've had but, I feel like a broken record. I listen to and read everything you put out. Keep it coming as much as you can, I will be listening and learning!
I really enjoy these two Brilliant Minds and I'm grateful they're finally together and I hope that we can make some Headway in helping The Human Condition whether it be overcoming covid-19 or overcoming the horrible malaise that is afflicting Society because of certain ideas or ideologies that are very divisive and there are many such divisive ideologies going around
It is so wonderful to have Dr. Peterson “back in the saddle.” I am incredibly thankful that he has returned to the critical dialogue. I pray that his recovery process continues in a positive direction.