CLT House - Zero Drywall and a Cork Shower!

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Komentáře • 293

  • @NSResponder
    @NSResponder Před rokem +94

    For me, the coolest thing about CLT is that since it's made up of such small boards, it can use trees that are taken in forest thinning that would have just gone to firewood or fuel pellets before. A 6" log can yield three or four boards suitable for CLT.

    • @StealthTinyhomes
      @StealthTinyhomes Před rokem +1

      Yes!

    • @mitchdenner9743
      @mitchdenner9743 Před rokem +3

      So it should be dirt cheap right? Yeah right

    • @publicmail2
      @publicmail2 Před rokem

      Drinking the coolade

    • @PerfectPrinceX1
      @PerfectPrinceX1 Před rokem +1

      glorified particle board

    • @ColeSpolaric
      @ColeSpolaric Před rokem +1

      Do you realize just how much wood is needed to do this? The amount of trees we would need to grow for everyone to build this way would be insane. Way more than thinning wood!

  • @ernestogonzalesvillar5721
    @ernestogonzalesvillar5721 Před rokem +193

    I am fully impressed! It's just a complete czcams.com/users/postUgkxGqOCINHE0Z0E5gxzSdNi9NWGugRY5Hm2 plan with the best resources and step by step instructions . These shed plans are so satisfying as if the sheds build themselves on their own. Worthy work Ryan!

  • @billw1044
    @billw1044 Před rokem +3

    All the termites in Florida would love this house.

  • @dlw3156
    @dlw3156 Před rokem +81

    I love the diversity that is coming into new builds. Please keep it up!!

  • @McTroyd
    @McTroyd Před rokem +10

    I hope stuff like this catches on. A thousand suns could not match the intensity of my hatred of all things drywall and paint. 🌞👍

  • @DanielZajic
    @DanielZajic Před rokem +14

    This is the house of the future. Huge congrats to Cross Cabin for putting it all together, must be very satisfying for everyone, especially the new owners.

  • @publicmail2
    @publicmail2 Před rokem +139

    This house comes with a 5 gallon bucket of push pins.

    • @jezza6575
      @jezza6575 Před rokem +11

      Sure makes hanging Christmas lights easier!

    • @StealthTinyhomes
      @StealthTinyhomes Před rokem +4

      Haha damn that was a good laugh

    • @billybert3506
      @billybert3506 Před rokem +2

      😂😂😂

    • @donna30044
      @donna30044 Před rokem +1

      Exterior grade, no less.

    • @james.telfer
      @james.telfer Před rokem +3

      Just don't let the kids loose with crayons & markers on the interior wood walls or the clean-up will be 😱🤬😩😖😭🥵

  • @ksamos
    @ksamos Před rokem +30

    Next year on a follow-up of this house, "How I hate my cork shower." I see that as a cleaning nightmare. All kinds of natural spaces for dirt, grime, soap scum, and bacteria to grow in.

    • @BrewMiester
      @BrewMiester Před rokem +3

      That is the same thing I was thinking.

    • @geronimo4511
      @geronimo4511 Před rokem +5

      I remember someone who years ago had a cork bathroom which had many layers of varnish and gave years of trouble-free service

    • @rabbytca
      @rabbytca Před rokem +1

      Yes, I would have liked to hear what they are contemplating to counteract the affects of soap, body oil, skin and the sweat we attempt to wash away. Soap has that tendancy to cling and accumulate on surfaces due to many of them having a surfactant such as sodium stearate which reduces a surface's ability to repel water base solutions.

    • @robertfeliciano5723
      @robertfeliciano5723 Před rokem

      Yuck, totally agree.
      BUT, if it's a weekend cabin that sees

    • @DanielZajic
      @DanielZajic Před rokem +5

      Cork is naturally antibacterial. The same reason it will work on the exterior should make it work on the interior.
      Probably similar to why wood cutting boards are actually more sanitary than plastic. Evolution produces some amazing materials.
      And hey, if it doesn't work, who cares? It's an easy fix and zero waste.

  • @DrMJJr
    @DrMJJr Před rokem +45

    NOT my cup of tea…HOWEVER, I absolutely LOVE the high degree of thinking and deliberation behind the recyclability of the building’s material composition. I’m not into super modern style homes but it’s intriguing to see such thought put into decisions on thing like the central placement of the HVAC. It might not work in most home layouts but I really love seeing that level of consideration reflected in a homes energy consumption as it’s being designed and built. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @kevinstenger4334
    @kevinstenger4334 Před rokem +16

    I had to show this to my wife because she is always railing on the building industry for not coming up with a better alternative for drywall after all of these years of the same old dusty mess that needs constant repair.

    • @RetroBerner
      @RetroBerner Před rokem +1

      You got a point, but that'll make any after work or repairs a lot more involved and harder to hide

    • @faustinpippin9208
      @faustinpippin9208 Před rokem

      What stopping you now from leaving all the electrical work exposed outside of the drywall, just like its exposed here? lol, and how does it need constant repairs? My drywalls never needed a repair, but I live in EU so maybe we just make them better.

    • @badawesome3047
      @badawesome3047 Před rokem

      @@faustinpippin9208 The main enemies of drywall are teenagers.

  • @geronimo4511
    @geronimo4511 Před rokem +5

    We are fast reaching the point where sustainability is going to be the only game in town. Credit to you for being in the vanguard with these gorgeous systems that have a light environmental footprint

  • @NSResponder
    @NSResponder Před rokem +24

    If you're doing exposed duct work, might want to look into fabric ducts. They weigh nearly nothing, they can be any color you want, and you can unzip them and put them in the washer if they get dusty.

    • @johnlee7085
      @johnlee7085 Před rokem +4

      I’ve never heard of fabric ducts. Sounds very cool and very research worthy.

    • @donna30044
      @donna30044 Před rokem +8

      @@johnlee7085
      From what I've been able to find on the web:
      Fabric ducts do not use registers to disperse the air, but diffuse air through the fabric. They must be laundered once or twice per year because of dust & (possible) mold accumulation; they have zipper closures that make removal/replacement (supposedly) simple.
      It's an intriguing idea.

  • @droppindeuces6981
    @droppindeuces6981 Před rokem +6

    Love this build! Cedar in the bathroom would add even more to the aroma factor.

    • @DanielZajic
      @DanielZajic Před rokem

      Yeah, I'm thinking the same. Cedar smells amazing, would last really long, and be easy to replace eventually.

  • @SequoiaElisabeth
    @SequoiaElisabeth Před rokem +4

    We are coming full circle, I love it.

  • @frostbitten41
    @frostbitten41 Před rokem +10

    Fantastic! Thanks for showing off this great modern CLTechnique in a home setting. Glad to see clt making some headway in the US. Nice job Greg catching the falling roll and saving the shot!
    I’m a bit skeptical about keeping the shower clean. I remember seeing the cork ceilings above the pool at Hearst Castle, and they held up ok for 80 yrs, but weren’t without problems

    • @dfghdfzsd
      @dfghdfzsd Před rokem +1

      @@yekutielbenheshel354 you need to learn to write scientifically. How are they “superior”? Proclamations without explanation adds nothing to the conversation. Is the porosity a problem of cork for the absorption and accumulation of soap scum? Here again; “Cork is better than wood” oh?
      Mostly teasing. Enjoy 😂

    • @dfghdfzsd
      @dfghdfzsd Před rokem

      @@yekutielbenheshel354 i guess only one of us is allowed to dole out critiques. you seem to think i’m disagreeing with you-i’m not. but i was only passing by on my way back to my hole.
      …shore durameter… listen to this silly bugger. 🤭

  • @sevegarza
    @sevegarza Před rokem +2

    7:19 spidey senses on point!

  • @jasonmarkrobertson
    @jasonmarkrobertson Před rokem +3

    FYI Frank Lloyd Wright experimented with cork finished showers in his falling water house. If I remember correctly he had an issue with it rotting out after awhile and they had to be replaced periodically.

  • @bdoginit
    @bdoginit Před rokem +3

    In commercial industry we’re just starting to get into a lot of mass timber, its becoming increasingly attractive to developers & owners so we’re starting to see a lot of it. Currently I’m building the new CZcams HQ in CA and they have incorporated a lot of mass timber into the design.

  • @TerryPullen
    @TerryPullen Před rokem +3

    This is very nice. It looks like the electrical industry needs to step up though, and come up with exposed conduit that looks good in spaces like this. That exposed electric looks bad!

    • @shawnbrennan7526
      @shawnbrennan7526 Před rokem

      Agreed. Love the overall look, but I think the exposed electrical would tick me off after a while.
      I’m sure if you were doing a custom build, you could do more with wall sconces and smart-home feature to reduce the need for unnecessary outlets and switches.

  • @samhklm
    @samhklm Před rokem +1

    I hope my next home has electrical conduit just applied to the inside walls. Easy to install and the electrical inspection is a snap!

  • @superandy89
    @superandy89 Před rokem

    CLT seems perfect for garages and tiny homes. Slap a perfect wall on the outside and you’ve got a solid build for small span buildings.

    • @henricvandijk6995
      @henricvandijk6995 Před 2 měsíci

      Think you never saw Holz100 from Austria as many of you. 😂

  • @kentolsen2712
    @kentolsen2712 Před rokem +3

    You are killing it Dr. Matt! Awesome content.

  • @bobstroud9118
    @bobstroud9118 Před rokem +1

    I should send a picture of the shower in my 1943 vintage house basement. Same size as your cork, but mine is glazed brick. Doubles as my tornado shelter. N.E.OH Bob

  • @NewResults
    @NewResults Před rokem +3

    The house looks great Greg!! Congratulations on this beautiful project.

  • @beardfootofficial
    @beardfootofficial Před rokem +1

    This is dope

  • @jybuis3939
    @jybuis3939 Před rokem +4

    Notice a lot of pretty major gaps between CLT panels in both the floors and walls, wished you could have asked him about that. Also the mixed horizontal/vertical orientation of the planks on the wall panels would drive me insane.

  • @ryansoo4000
    @ryansoo4000 Před rokem +19

    Frank Lloyd Wright used cork in his design for the bathrooms in Fallingwater so it does last.

  • @Will_JJHP
    @Will_JJHP Před rokem +4

    Very cool house! I DMed you last year about wanting to see more holistic projects that have modern performance with natural materials so - like you said in the video - a house can be torn down in 200 years and turn into compost after 9 months instead of polluting in a landfill. Really inspired by this project. CLT is an amazing product that I hope we see more of in N America

  • @lindseyarthur5376
    @lindseyarthur5376 Před rokem +2

    Gorgeous. Thoughtful, innovative… just absolutely stunning. And plants! Grow plants, eat plants, and now… live in plants. I love it! And honestly, I could watch these two talk build talk all day, every single day. More please.

  • @ssmith2019
    @ssmith2019 Před rokem +3

    Good Vid, Cool Design and Structure !

  • @nixonkutz3018
    @nixonkutz3018 Před rokem +2

    Brilliant, not just because of the use of state-of-the-art materials and manufacturing, but also that it's 1000 sq ft. Is the era of mini-mansions officially over?

    • @faustinpippin9208
      @faustinpippin9208 Před rokem +1

      welp thanks to the gov printing money like crazy (tax inflation) everyone is dirt poor so I guess it has to end lol
      In my country like 3 years ago people thought a 100m2 home is good, but now after the gov createad a huge inflation people are happy just with living in trailers. (everything here is more expensive then in Germany while people make 400$ per month)

  • @klw141
    @klw141 Před rokem

    Interesting concept but........this guy is nuts!

  • @AlexdaCunha
    @AlexdaCunha Před rokem

    very cool house! Congrats for the innovative approach in material usage!

  • @dlorien7306
    @dlorien7306 Před rokem +2

    I honestly can't fathom all the praise in the comments for this. This isn't a wood house, it's a glue house chinked with wood. Exposed services is a step up are you kidding?? Love the places for dust & bugs not to mention its just uh-gly.
    Remember all the problems with sip panels? Of course not, don't worry about all those joints & gaps. It's all 500 year solid
    Q: do the fireproof (ha!) toxic glues make it impervious to termites and decay?
    There are better ways to eliminate sheetrock. BTW, how much does this cost??

  • @danielbuckner2167
    @danielbuckner2167 Před rokem +2

    I like the creativity with the shower and the porosity is not a problem because of the rain screed but I wonder about soap scum and all those little declivities.

    • @paco0e
      @paco0e Před rokem +1

      Yeah, it seems like it would be a huge pain to clean. I'd really love to know more about their plan for the shower and those kinds of considerations, since it's such a unique and interesting idea. If there's a way to make it work well, I'd love to consider doing that when I remodel. I love the look!

    • @luke9822
      @luke9822 Před rokem

      You clean soap scum with a palm sander once a month.

  • @smonroeh
    @smonroeh Před rokem +4

    For the most part I like the house. I am wondering how the house would work with the freeze-thaw snow and rain in the North

    • @Rokmahr008
      @Rokmahr008 Před rokem +2

      We use this style of construction with no issues here in norway. You might hear some noise from the wood during big temperature swings.

    • @smonroeh
      @smonroeh Před rokem +1

      @@Rokmahr008 With the freeze-thaw, I was meaning in relation to the cork siding. It doesn't take on water he said, but it does have holes and fissures in its surface that water could get into and freeze. Maybe causing issues over time, that's me questionable concern.

  • @BB-nn9en
    @BB-nn9en Před rokem +15

    Awesome construction. It's really cool to see the different ways to build a house.
    Personally I love the wood and the cork. I have questions on the durability of the cork, but I really like the look and the idea of it. What does the manufacturer recommend for cleaning it?

  • @burts6896
    @burts6896 Před rokem +1

    "cross LAMINATED timber ... has been getting a lot of PRESS lately" (pun unintended!)

  • @GenericHandle01
    @GenericHandle01 Před rokem +6

    There are a lot of interesting architectural choices in this house that are unique, interesting and give a nice sense of modern living. I love wood interiors but the exposed electrical looks like an unfinished basement.
    I don't see why you couldn't just put in a tall but low profile (easily removable) wood base board to cover the electrical runs and give the outlets a place to rest. Perhaps you could use hollow column structures for vertical runs. It would add character to the house (Victorian vibe) and make it look more finished.

    • @cpad007
      @cpad007 Před rokem +2

      This right here. It looks a high-end garage-mah-hal.

  • @petervanelslander6206

    absolutely love the idea and realisation! truly inspiring. thanks for this great video and the clear explanations! (i am developping an autonomous sustainable houseboat)

  • @Benjamin-gp3dl
    @Benjamin-gp3dl Před rokem

    I love a lot of it. Not everything but definitely I see the benefits of implementing certain aspects.

  • @lynnetuff1322
    @lynnetuff1322 Před 4 měsíci

    Love this house! Wish it would work in Canada!

  • @AdityaMehendale
    @AdityaMehendale Před rokem +1

    7:19 - dad-instincts ^^

  • @yentrader
    @yentrader Před rokem

    Love the no drywall aspect!

  • @cemprotecta
    @cemprotecta Před rokem

    How cool! Love it.

    • @buildshow
      @buildshow  Před rokem

      Glad you like it! Fun house to visit

  • @Rocco101
    @Rocco101 Před rokem

    Super cool matt

  • @urchin11
    @urchin11 Před rokem +11

    cork i for a shower ! It's not a hygienic surface, it can't be cleaned or disinfected

  • @auwtomoton
    @auwtomoton Před rokem +2

    How tight can you make a building like this? Have you done a blower door test in it? Thanks for sharing, I love this! Only a few good quality, sensory pleasurable, healthy house ingredients, and on steel piles too! So cool 😎 love no drywall

    • @haidafella8651
      @haidafella8651 Před rokem +1

      I imagine it is extremely tight.. depending on the joins,,, But the wind won’t sail through solid wood

  • @solarcrystal5494
    @solarcrystal5494 Před rokem

    That cork shower wall is gonna grow so much mildew

  • @aknorth1053
    @aknorth1053 Před rokem +3

    probably not done yet but I hope the receptacles are getting some additional detailing compared to the other details which are great it looks like an after thought. if you swept down on all the receptacles you could incase the portion along the floor in a wood baseboard and perhaps integrate the vertical portion into. a wooden stile. I think the aludea would be to try to make the receptacle place ment look like it was placed to match the pattern and not the other way around as the locations are driven by code

    • @markmyers4573
      @markmyers4573 Před rokem +1

      Agreed. I liked them on the Perfect Wall house because they looked good in the stud cavities, but I'm not loving the look on surface of the solid CLT walls.

  • @desmondnaugler4452
    @desmondnaugler4452 Před rokem +4

    Should've painted the conduit some or rethought the material for all that exposed conduit and outlets.other then that it's purdy cool.

    • @MurDocInc
      @MurDocInc Před rokem

      There is a way to hide it czcams.com/video/VbR0Px6KMtw/video.html

  • @charlesharrell1566
    @charlesharrell1566 Před rokem

    Love it!

  • @hazembata
    @hazembata Před rokem

    Love it.

  • @PKJae
    @PKJae Před rokem +1

    Nice, but what about the off-gassing form the glues? I definitely do not like drywall and am in process of designing my build and hope I can find alternate materials.

  • @michaelta4322
    @michaelta4322 Před rokem +2

    Wow! What a great concept and execution! Nice looking sliding door also! What manufacturer did you use???

  • @greggoralogia7401
    @greggoralogia7401 Před rokem +4

    Matt did you ask or see what the plan was for the roof part of the building envelope? Also cork up there or switch to another insulation type?

  • @larryh657
    @larryh657 Před rokem +1

    I would like to see a video on how the shower went together and list of products and vendors

  • @koryleach9660
    @koryleach9660 Před rokem +2

    With the crawl space how does the water not freeze during the rare Texas cold snaps? Or the floors not be cold without insulation from a slab?

  • @IraDuncan
    @IraDuncan Před rokem

    Gosh if that was my place, I'd have guitars everywhere.

  • @RetroBerner
    @RetroBerner Před rokem +3

    Interesting, but those panel gaps are a bit rough

  • @jt8907
    @jt8907 Před rokem

    Fallingwater has a cork shower..... 1937.
    Still pretty cool though!

  • @shawnsasser4001
    @shawnsasser4001 Před rokem

    Impressive

  • @BrucePappas
    @BrucePappas Před rokem +2

    How would you adapt construction for a cold climate, like Minnesota?

  • @brennangraves6458
    @brennangraves6458 Před rokem +1

    This IS the future, now.

  • @tubulartuber
    @tubulartuber Před rokem +1

    mass timber walls aren't the same as stick framing, the biggest difference is that their vapor profile is more similar to a mass wall e.g. like solid masonry than a framed wall. although wood is definitely vapor open, once you start accumulating very thick, continuous layers of it, it behaves more like a solid mass wall hygrothermally because it is... a solid mass.
    This means that CLT walls that get wet take a very, very long time to dry out relative to a framed wall. Which may or may not be an issue depending on how much water it initially took up, and what the interior conditions are like.
    Either way, you really, really do not want to get rain on the panels if you can help it. The wetter they get during construction, the longer you'll have to run supplemental dehumidification indoors after it's finished.

  • @barrybatchelor44
    @barrybatchelor44 Před rokem +4

    What was a R value of the roof and walls?

  • @chrisglenn2096
    @chrisglenn2096 Před rokem +1

    “Permeable” was the word you were looking for

  • @theosrubegoldberg9660
    @theosrubegoldberg9660 Před rokem +1

    I enjoyed the walk-through and love the CLT, but had to laugh at the cork shower. How do you plan to clean it?

  • @sladeoriginal
    @sladeoriginal Před rokem +1

    Zero Drywall = Yes Please

  • @AOA_social
    @AOA_social Před 7 měsíci +1

    How did you get your wall buildup past the esd police. Pretty sure cork just to clt would fail in Australia. Also given the esd calculators don’t have the right parameters for cork and clt yet here. Interested as we doing modular clt buildings .

  • @chappiedatass1361
    @chappiedatass1361 Před rokem

    Fires would be a nightmare

  • @nathanielm77
    @nathanielm77 Před dnem

    Love the wood! I am curious about the cost. How much was this build?

  • @DavidLawrenceDaley
    @DavidLawrenceDaley Před rokem

    It’s like a remake of single wall almost

  • @seanmccay6448
    @seanmccay6448 Před rokem

    really cool! I wonder how the pricing of these materials compares to something like CEBs + stucco.

  • @jonathandixon3544
    @jonathandixon3544 Před rokem +1

    How is this material affected by freeze thaw cycles? Great tour!

  • @janekblume7333
    @janekblume7333 Před 3 měsíci

    I absolutely love the house! How is the smell of the cork on the inside? This cork smells a little bit burned. Does the smell disappear over time ? Thanks!

  • @andrewhillman9632
    @andrewhillman9632 Před rokem

    Very cool house, one question, how do you clean the cork shower? It will get residue from soap, etc. just curious. Does not need to be perfect, some patina is certainly expected but I am wondering how to best maintain?

  • @alexanderjamieson7971
    @alexanderjamieson7971 Před rokem +1

    Love it. How are the exterior walls anchored?

  • @MikeCaskey
    @MikeCaskey Před rokem

    All about that. Zero drywall lifestyle

  • @theCombinator
    @theCombinator Před rokem

    yup, just great, curious bout that shower. how well will it handle soap, dirt etc. I know cork has all kinds of anti bact and fungus kind of behaviour..but that much?

  • @AidaRodriguezVega
    @AidaRodriguezVega Před 5 měsíci

    Thanks for sharing this project, it's really great. I have so many questions. Is there a reason there is no insulation under the floor? Is it not required in local building code. Maybe it's a US thing? Also when I have used the expanded cork internally, there is still a lot of soot, has this one been cleaned before installation? Is there a reason why a section of floor is built traditionally with floor joists and not CLT?

  • @pcatful
    @pcatful Před rokem

    The panels came with the moisture barrier adhered. How do the joints get protected? What did the plans examiner say about the shower?

  • @aleale8029
    @aleale8029 Před rokem

    What windows are used in this house ?! Love them. Need to know.

  • @MakeMeThinkAgain
    @MakeMeThinkAgain Před rokem

    I could be wrong but I suspect this would be pretty good in wildfire country.

  • @patrickkenny2077
    @patrickkenny2077 Před rokem +2

    Love the wood, but can't say I am a fan of the EMT... especially if they need to run some data cables later. Curious what a better detail could have been.

    • @MurDocInc
      @MurDocInc Před rokem

      czcams.com/video/VbR0Px6KMtw/video.html

    • @johnlee7085
      @johnlee7085 Před rokem +3

      Similar thought.
      My idea is similar to Matt’s comment on the wood panel access. It would be reasonably easy to have a wooden baseboard that has an open cavity back for running the cable.

    • @atodaso1668
      @atodaso1668 Před rokem

      The only other thing is wire mold, it looks a bit better but is expensive.

  • @cmdv42
    @cmdv42 Před rokem +1

    This is amazing! I've been looking for information on CLT construction AND on Cork siding/paneling!! 🙌🤯💯 Anyone aware of low/zero VOC wood sealer/water-proofing?🙏👀

  • @gabbott432
    @gabbott432 Před rokem +2

    Does anyone know what the VOC or off-gassing is on these panels..? I would worry about indoor air quality..

  • @cpt.hindsight
    @cpt.hindsight Před rokem

    Alot of TLC went into this CLT house😜

  • @mybanana9103
    @mybanana9103 Před rokem

    Please follow up on his cork shower. I would love to know how it fares over time.

  • @reggiesmith5909
    @reggiesmith5909 Před rokem +1

    I love this house and it's what I want to do having exposed services.

  • @mrsmrich1
    @mrsmrich1 Před rokem

    Cool

  • @matthewrosso8569
    @matthewrosso8569 Před rokem +1

    10:30 can we please get a follow up video in a year or two to see how this has held up?
    Thanks!

  • @SailingSoulianis
    @SailingSoulianis Před rokem

    There was a lot of talk about indoor air quality. But isn't that CLT all held together with a ton of glue? Does that not off-gas?

  • @haidafella8651
    @haidafella8651 Před rokem

    Is that r22 for the wall assembly?

  • @eugenewilson7555
    @eugenewilson7555 Před rokem +1

    What is the r value of a clt wall with the cork?

  • @mason03bodine
    @mason03bodine Před rokem

    Just curious. How easy would a cork shower be to clean?

  • @cxsey8587
    @cxsey8587 Před rokem

    Lack of rain screen would be interesting to see how it fares in a few years

  • @Charles31822
    @Charles31822 Před rokem

    Is the wood kiln dried?

  • @ChrisWhite-xt1xe
    @ChrisWhite-xt1xe Před měsícem

    Who makes the clt panels?

  • @kevinn1158
    @kevinn1158 Před rokem

    I would love to build a home like this. It’s so well thought out. Very little waste and time building… I just never will be able to afford to build a CLT home here in Toronto. A plot of land is a million bucks then you go from there. Ugh.