Peugeot 508 Sport Engineered vs BMW 340i | Fifth Gear
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according to data table on the beginning of the video 508 is 205 and not 100 kg heavier than BMW... so being under a second slower than 200+ kg lighter car and having softer, more comfort oriented suspension (afterall, this are "every day" and not "dedicated race" cars), on such an enclosed and technical circuit, is rather respectable achievement... ;)
Second is pretty big difference in sub-5 sec times ;)
@@zaaap0 true.... but, dragging an additional "8 bags of cement" in your car around the track is not that negligible too...
Tu parles de la bmw qui est un exploit ?
That 508 is a great looking car!
I think the 330e would have been a closer match to the peugeot being it's also a plugin hybrid.
330e isn’t comparable in power nor price
The M340i has a mild hybrid platform
@@jamesmcnaughton3558 that's true, 330e absolutely sweeps the 508pse on all points except for the slightly lower power. (which in real life conditions is actually comparable since the ICE power is similar between them)
@@jamesmcnaughton3558 It is. My 330E Xdrive M Sport Pro is around £56k, the Peugeot is £57k. Both are hybrid, and both weight similar amounts. It is the natural competitor.
508 is just beautiful....pity this attempt at like for like comparison is pretty rigged to favour the brand typically favoured by auto critics. Still 508 for me....just beautiful.
Pretty much set up for a fall ,would be the 508 for me even just to piss off the neighbours…🤣🤣🤣
This comparison prove Peugeot is quicker is curves because its has more 200kg and less 20HP.
And we never know if the driver know how to push both at their limit. BMW to be pushed to the limit but Peugeot didn't or it deliver more performance in curves with less drama.
I´d actually be interested to see the Peugeot vs the 330e xDrive which is also a plug-in.
The Peugeot is fantastic,i have one
Why was the M340i used and not the 330e?
I actually like both cars. The 508 looks really good and full marks to Peugeot for still producing saloons, when so many other manufacturers have given up on them in favour of overweigh and oversized SUVs that plague the roads these days. But the lure of a nicely sorted BMW sports saloon is just too much.
50k for Peugeot is financial suicide!
@@TheJbsportstech Nothing wrong with 50k for a Peugeot. All cars will be electric or hybrid in the near future, therefore expensive. This is exactly where all saloons are headed irregardless of brand.
@@vs6300 resale value has entered the chat 🙈
@@vs6300 also you’re forgetting the fact Peugeots are a stain on modern society 😄
@@SF-rs3xm Nonsense. Peugeot is here to stay.
BMW's Mid-sized Saloon? Isn't the 5 series BMW's Mid-sized and the 7 the Full-sized series? The 3 series is their Compact Saloon.
compact in terms of accessories. and mb engine.. ^^ but still the lightest of all.
This show is a British show. People with a 7 series have a chauffeur. You can't find a parking space big enough for it, so you need the chauffeur. The 5 series is a big car in the UK.
No contest surely! This really isn't a comparison
So the Peugeot was better than the BMW through the technical parts of the track. I am surprised but it's not unexpected BMW are falling behind other brands when it comes down to handling.
BMW handling myth busted.
*M340i
The germans are interested in 0-60 performance, which, in my view, does not interest most people. The ride of the Peugeot on the other hand is sublime and steering precise. Peugeots were always like that! I still remember my Dad's 1971 504, it was pure pleasure to drive. Differences of 0.5 seconds leave most of us untouched! Lastly, the Peugeot gets 355 hp from a 1,6 lt engine (plus turbo), the BMW needs a straight six inline. Kudos Peugeot.
you live in fantasy land
That's all you have to say? Your vacuous answer simply supports my contention.
@@nicka.papanikolaou9475 hilarious.....the real world shows your delusional thoughts are just that!
Go back to playing with unicorns at the bottom of your garden
@@nicka.papanikolaou9475 It does not matter, Bmw has different group customers than Peugeot. We all know when it comes to car racing history you should never exclude French car brands from it.And this comes from a Bmw owner.
Random fact 508 pse does 48:81. The 308 GTi does 47:23. Then again its over 600 kg lighter.
The 508 is actually a great looker though.
The 508 it's hybrid . In which world hybrids are less expensive then ICE only ?
@@bassboygilo the comment you replied to is talking about looks not price 🤷
🤩 Karun is such a great presenter. Fun, clear, and fast! 🙏
Bmw m340i estate all day cant beat that straight six engine.
In the real life, the electric motor from the 508 should be able to pull the car quickly and efficiently where the 340i will struggle to keep fuel consumption to minimal in such situations like crawling in traffic and then picking up some speed. Even "economical" little petrol cars are not really economical at slow speeds and frequent stand still traffics. Fully electric and even hybrids really stand out in those situations and there's no surprise that the 508 beats the 340i on that scenario. We've got a plug-in hybrid and the fuel consumption is kept to an absolute minimum esp. in traffic! So there's no surprise if the 508's average fuel consumption is lower than the 340i.
Anyone who thinks the big Pug disgraced itself by finishing one second behind a properly sorted BMW M around a track needs to give their head a wobble. The 508 is a really impressive car and if it wasn't for the huge weight penalty of the batteries, this might have been a different story.
I remember Jeremy Clarkson in Top Gear's History of Peugeot episode some years back saying that when Peugeot put their mind to something they usually do it very, very well.
And some of the Peugeots we are currently seeing today just confirm that.
My brother used to own a BMW 5-series and to be honest he sold it just a few years later and was somewhat disappointed with it.
For me personally I think BMW as a make are overrated.
Well, pug also made the 405 mi16 and t16 505gti and turbo, 605 sv24, 406 v6 and sri
Been a while since I watched Fifth Gear. Where's our old boy Tiff these days?
does the Peugeot lose power if you dont charge it?
You are comparing completely different cars, should compare it with hybrids. Of course hybrids are heavier but you can drive electric only. That should be part of comparison as well, electric range, price and acceleration. Well I can surely compare tiger with a donkey.
Only British people would do that.... it was made on purpose, just to say : "hahahha and the Peugeot is still inferior to the BMW !"..... this is profoundly dishonest.... compare an hybrid to another hybrid !
Actually the Peugeot did quite well during the test ! Impressive car.
Sometimes one has to wonder what planet the Brits are...
Looks alright.
I remember a 2020 pergeot that looks 1970s. Can’t remember which one
The E-Legend?
In Germany, the M340i is cheaper than the 508 PSE.
Same here in the UK.
the 508 PSE is an hybrid and an hybrid car will save you money , so they are more expensive than regular cars.
Love the looks of the pug but can't see ever spending that much one one
i just wanted a drag race guys...
I feel like the Volkswagen Arteon R would have been a better comparison. Even though Peugeot is still more mainstream
Lol no, Volkswagen is definitely not more high-end than Peugeot.
Peugeot have a long history of fast saloons. 505 gti and turbo, 405 mi16 and t16 406 v6 and sri turbo
The thing about electric cars is that the battery is very heavy as the technical data confirmed.
So, with that in mind I think the Peugeot faired quite well.
The other thing I would add is if you were comparing the Peugeot to a BMW should it not be the 5-series rather than a 3-series that you compare the 508 to?
My brother owned a BMW 5-series 2.0 TDI for a few years but I must say that I wasn't really that impressed by it.
To me, BMWs are overrated - just big boys toys really.
Peugeot, Ford, Renault and Citroen offer greater value for money I feel.
this would have been brilliant if you'd used the BMW 330E Xdrive
That Peugeot is really nice and a good step in the right direction. But let's be honest comparing it to a M340I isn't really a fair competition. The BMW is far more refined.
How you know that? In everyday use maybe will be the opposite because you have more comfort and less noise in the Peugeot.
LOL, Pug vs BMW, like that would even be a rivalry..
B58 has been shown to have alot more potential. with 508 comparison is just strange. compare vehicles with similar potential. that would get us hyped
The days of big V8's, V6's and L6's are coming to an end.
@@vs6300 no they are not :) synthetic fuels are here to save the day.
@@SF-rs3xm Dead on arrival.
Sub 50 is a good time at llandow, especially being a big car like that
Lot of people saying you can’t compare the 340i, that it should be the 330e. Well, the 508 PSE is £10k more than a 330e. The same price as a 340i…
The Peugeot is so beautiful, interior and exterior. For me the clear choice.
You're a very brave man.
BMW are so common, Audi too. Not hating on them, they're brilliant cars. I've always preferred the 'alternative' type, hail Peugeot!
Peugeot is really getting there. Not just the looks but also the driving as well as (semi) electrifying. However I'm not sure if this 508 is plug-in which I really hope. Our plug-in hybrid uses very little amount of petrol, even less than a diesel! On paper, yes the BMW 340i is faster than the 508 but where can you do it in real life?
Take VW Lupo Petrol vs. Lupo Diesel for example. On paper the Petrol beats the Diesel but in the real life so to say... 30 - 50 mph in FIFTH or SIXTH gear, the torquey Diesel pulls away effortlessly.
Point is the 508 is (or can be) faster than 340i where it counts in numerous of real life driving. If this hybrid is a plug-in then I'm all in for this 508. Normally I would like to go for the 340i but this is only tested in racing scenarios rather than real life.
For those saying ah ha! 340i should be nicer to sit in and to drive even for general use, I can agree with that but time has changed esp. when fuel prices soaring up and still not enough charging stations around - not to mention having to put up with a long wait while charging. A hybrid sits nicely between fully electric and fully internal combustion and that's why I'm giving the 508 more than just a chance.
the Peugeot will make a good preowned buy though.
if someone buy it new at the first place
I really like both these cars a lot- but I see no reason to buy the Peugeot. The beamer is quicker, more powerful, lighter, sounds better, is built better and is a lot cheaper.
But this 508 is a hybrid so it's a lot cheaper to run this car over the BMW 340i. Unless you're stupid enough to brake the car late and hard.
We've got a plug-in hybrid and it cost significantly less than any pure internal combustion engines. In no time EVs and hybrids pay itself.
Its poorer round the bends, and cant take make use of its weight advantage to beat the Peugeot round the bends and only wins with a mere one second. Thank God You arent the final authority on which car is better built.
508 is great ❤
Give it a year, and you will be able to buy a 2nd hand 508 for less than half what it cost today. Regardless of the mileage it's done.
_Probably!_
Though to be fair, it looks really good on the outside. However. I'm still not sure about their idea where you're looking over the steering wheel at the dials 🤔
I've owned a 208 GTi where you look over the steering wheel at the dials. A person of average height (or taller) should have no problems seeing the dials - I never did. Most modern Pugs, and all the sporty Pugs, seem designed to appeal to men.
@@adammclaughlin845 I'd probably be OK in the new style Pugs. But my missus is 4'11" on a good day, so probably not for her 8-))...
I love Peugeots, currently drive one and owned 5 others. But you can’t compare it to top of the range BMW. Much like you wouldn’t compare a BMW to Porsche.
A little most slow the Peugeot 's lap if you know that french car IS most weight than BMW and a quite minus Horse power
508 very good car, I like.
Peugeot is the boss of the road
Maniac!
So we live in a world where a Peugeot is more expensive than its equivalent BMW?
In general, you're paying premium if you want to go pure electric or even hybrid. Take Volvo's T8s for example, they cost significantly more than their pure I.C.E. equivalent. Also MG ZS EV cost lot more than any petrol ZS.
Shouldn't matter because if you can properly utilise the electric motor off a EV or hybrid, you'll save a lot more on running cost and the "electrified" car can/will pay itself very quickly.
The Peugeot is a full plug in hybrid. They will always be more expensive than a simple mild hybrid.
That Peugeot is an hybrid, do you realise that ? Hybrids are more costly. Use your brain before posting comments.
What about extra batteries and EQUIPMENT?
@@FEGTTTSDH and low quality🤣
The Peugeot looks nice but will have absolutely crazy depreciation, wouldn't touch it new with a bargepole
That's how you think in the UK and I consider it a very dumb attitude. Typical British to be that dumb.
From a German.
A BMW like this will depreciate even more, the only 3 series that hold the value are the 320d.
No one want a pure petrol 340i because the taxes and petrol consumption.
Nowadays people want hybrid models and its misinformation telling BMW is cheaper because its not. This 508 is a top version with top equipment, if you start to put options in the BMW the price will be like 20k more at least.
In 5 years the BMW will be less value than this specific Peugeot because its hybrid.
508 exterior is love at first sight… the interior though… not quite a ginger step child… but.
508 is a pointlessly complicated car in so many ways it's ruined. Had potential to be great ,but the interior is ruined by the stupid i-cockpit and a bad seating position, while the drivertrain is just idiotically complicated. I'd rather have it with a 3 liter V6, without the batteries and two electric motors. The biggest issue is that these batteries run out very quickly while driving the car hard, and then you're left with a car that basically goes like it has 150hp and has to carry that extra battery weight around.
That steering wheel is really WANK
the Peugeot is the better looking and better equipped car
Well done 5/gear. 🏁🇦🇺
Peugeot 508 beautiful car
Peugeot 🔥
Wow very nearly bought this bmw 3wks ago. Glad i never now knowing it been ragged around for the 1st 1900 miles of its life 🤬
that peugeot is more expensive than the bmw, slower than bmw, badge snob will think its less pretigious than the bmw. A good receipe for a big sales flop.
Ah, but the Peugeot is stunning, a great car for a first time effort.
So what is there to choose... Its French, slower & will devalue like crazy....!!
As a Canadian, the 508 is unquestionably more interesting and appealing over the sea of boring BMWs that we have. It would never sell here - people want SUVs - but never in a million years would I take the BMW if I could get a Peugeot. It''s just magnitudes cooler.
@@YearsOfLeadPoisoning Interesting how Peugeot have "value" in Canada. In all of Europe their resale values are useless.
@@YearsOfLeadPoisoning You have no experience with the brand or brand values. Here in the UK Peugeots have been the subject of jokes for years. And for very good reason!
@@SF-rs3xm I don't really care what brand values a car has in the UK.
Peugeots are cool. French cars in general are cool. There's almost nothing less cool than a BMW, including the Sunfires we still have kicking around.
@@YearsOfLeadPoisoning you’ve never even driven one 😂.
It’s not about brand values, it’s about build quality, engineering, safety, and development process. Peugeot has nothing on the German brands when it comes to this. There is nothing aspirational about a Peugeot.
Oui mais dans le monde réel? La Peugeot consomme 2x moins ,a un super châssis pour la route,n’a pas de carte grise en France ,est plus belle et plus rare ,elle est toute option alors que la bmw non et pour atteindre le même niveau il faut rajouter 10000€.
Dans le vrai monde la 508 est largement devant et …tellement plus jolie!
Just looking at the stats. The Peugeot had lost before it even started. Lol. Even if the Peugeot had better stats than the BMW it would still have to impress a lot. This speciality is bmw's forté
Nice though hopefully the 508 isn't automatic only, like almost all the other second gen 508!!
For some reason, they're nearly all automatics as said, like in the new 3 series, however you can still get a manual gearbox in each cars base diesel engines, but not in their base petrol or any other models - if any model should be the sole manual option, it should be the base petrol, not the diesel! 😯😂
It's a hybrid. It has to be automatic. Imagine this: "OK, I'm changing up to 4th gear and then I'll engage the front electric motor. No the rear one to get the tail out. Damn, I should be in 5th gear by now." No, a computer has to decide all that.
@@richardwilton722 Well they should have a non hybrid or a "mild" hybrid at least that can be a manual, because I hate diesels nearly as much as automatics - if not, I guess they're not the brand for me!
Similarly the new Volvo S60 shot up in price after increasing the power of the base engine and is also now an automatic only!
At least the Mazda 6 is available as a manual in its' base and mid spec, with 145 and 165hp which is loads, though the 194 top spec is another silly automatic!
@@tanner1ie Yes. Many makers are taking manual gearbox models off the market. Currently, they can’t make enough cars because of component shortages, so they are removing cheaper models from sale. I particularly wanted a plug-in hybrid. They are expensive to make. I bought a Peugeot because it’s less expensive to buy than most and its delivery time was not ludicrously long, unlike some German or British makes.
@@richardwilton722 I remembered your comment and after seeing many hybrid automatics listed since, I thought you must be right ..
However I was just looking at the Mazda 3 which currently only comes with a hybrid engine, and that's available with a manual gearbox!
So if Mazda can make manual hybrid cars, everyone else can!! 😯😂😀🤘.
(I don't pay that much attention to the 3, when I'm much more interested in the 6, but I was pleasantly surprised and as said, it shouldn't be hard for other companies to make manual hybrid cars, so it has to be yet another excuse to push people into automatics! 😯😂)
@@tanner1ie I think that’s a mild hybrid. The electric motor is basically a slave to the ICE, whereas with a full hybrid the electric motor and the ICE act in concert or independently.
So the BMW is lighter, more powerful and has a much faster 0-60 time. So logically it would win…
If the battery is mounted below the floor, the centre of gravity will be lot lower and with better weight distribution leading to better handling. With that battery mount, you'll not notice the weight difference.
as usual ,another wasted "test"...what a joke...99.9% of buyers NEVER drive the cars this way...and just look at the movement of the driver in the cars...in the BMW looks like he`s riding a bronco...wow...what a great driver...cause basically this is what this crap is all about....its another ego trip....
So it's cheaper, it's German, it's lighter, more powerful, faster and it doesn't have all that electric BS. And you get a BMW instead of a Peugeot. What are the French thinking??
They are thinking thats a pretty good reason to buy a 508; I agree with them.
@@jacobgreenmanedlion1863 I've had two brand new Peugeots when I was working for a company. They drive just fine but they are built like shit. They don't compare to BMW's, not even close, I'd rather have a Kia.
Peugeot asking this kind of money is silly and it shows where I live. People who could only afford Peugeot drove them, and no one else.
Now no one drives them.
@@dany1441 I live in the US and am not familiar with Peugeots current offerings, but I find it hard to believe they are built worse than a BMW. UAZ Patriots are built better than a BMW for pity’s sake!
@@jacobgreenmanedlion1863 I have never heard of UAZ. In Europe BMW is a premium brand that's only equaled in build quality by Audi and Lexus, and to a slightly lesser degree, Mercedes-Benz. And only if you go really upmarket like Porsche does it get any better at all.
American cars are usually built as badly or worse than Peugeot, so perhaps that explains why you feel differently.
@@dany1441 I drive a Mercedes; I actually have two; a 16 Vito and a 95 E300 Diesel; i have never had another brand.
An UAZ is a Russian SUV about the size of a Land Cruiser Pedal.
The bimmer over a Peugeot all day long
Why test a petrol v electric car??? Peugeot, much nicer looking.
I put this on and heard his voice and turned it off
Why?
Losing time making 340 slide like tbat.......unnecessary.
I’m don’t like the look of the Peugeot
I remember when 5th gear was good and had decent presenters. Between this guy and the useless snooker player I can’t bear it any more
Karun Chandhuk is ex formula 1 driver.... Other guy just a snooker player
Professional driver considered no good on a driving show 🤔
@@emailstomarek I’m sure he’s a great driver but IMO he’s not good on TV
badly done
German car💩
why would u buy french crap?
Because it much more better than German crap
If someone had no idea on cars and got conned by a Peugeot dealer maybe.
There are different dealers in other countries, I must to admit that French cars are much more better made now then German
@@dmytryblyzniuk8211 they really aren’t they’re still piles of rubbish lol
who gives a damn how fast it goes around a track. for daily use, an electric car is going to win hands down.
That’s what the 330e is for, but since the 508 PSE is a ”performance oriented” car the performance oriented 3 series is a closer match than the more civil 330e
I definitely agree with you on the running cost of electric cars. That's why I use them for daily short commutes. My Internal Combustion Car however is saved for my special weekend drive.
The Peugeot is much heavier than the BMW..... I find the comparison totally dishonest, disingenuous. Peugeot now make cars that rival German cars. We can be honest about that. And this comment is from a German.
The British totally over estimate German cars and rather under estimate French ones.
There is a strong anti French biais in Britain.
£54K for a Peugeot!! No thanks
Who would buy this under-delivering fat and expensive Peugeot???
I would because it has the efficiency of an electric car and the convenience of an internal combustion. I don't know what is the EV range of this 508 but our plug-in hybrid sips very little amount petrol using the electric motor most of the time (almost always). When using the electric motor of hybrid, it's dramatically cheaper to run and to maintain unless you're stupid enough to wear out the batteries.
@@t8polestarcyan22 they are better hybrid choices for cheaper.
Buy it, at least they'll sell one
@@sylvaind.6786 Plug-ins are the best choice. You can go electric if when you want to keep your full bill to absolute minimum and can use the internal combustion when you need it or when you desire more power.
I'm not sure what type of hybrid for this Peug. 508 but it's somewhat heading in a right direction.
Just coz it posted a second less? The six cylinder has got a lot more explaining to do. The Peugeot did exceptionally well considering it used an ordinary version of the 1.6 petrol turbo instead of Peugeot sports fully forged 1.6thp 270hp version.
A company car driver who wants something different and appreciates a great handling car. Save potentially thousands a year in tax. Compare the BIK rates of these cars!
BMW is so better than peugeot
Race track, yes!
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