ThinkPad or ThinkBad? Has Lenovo ruined the best laptop ever made?
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- čas přidán 19. 03. 2024
- What happened to our beloved ThinkPad laptop brand? A ThinkPad computer used to mean the highest quality pc with the newest and most reliable technology , but now it's just a label Lenovo seems to put on anything tech related. When do we draw the line between portable and reliable? If picking up your laptop can break your motherboard, what world do we live in?
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it's crazy how big brands like lenovo can make such craptops that are so expensive yet have the shittiest build quality possible...
@@glefyrI thought it was worldsbest8ktentacletechnicianthathaseverlivedophobia
@@zigalanimations382yeah it's fucking crazy
I also trusted lenovo over other companies for laptops because i also have one
But this video just broke my trust
Now i don't trust any laptop company anymore
Does Asus TUF F15 have good build quality than msi,hp or other gamming laptop?
"My wife's boyfriend."
why did he say that so calmly?🤣
'cause it's a pre-recorded voiceover and he's made that joke a million times by now.
I had to think for a minute 😂
I didn't hear the "wife" part so I thought he said that was his boyfriend lmao
He lernt it from Dumbledore
@@Frawtno shit bro
That Boeing comment 😅
Say bye to every HP and Boeing 737
569 and 1 reply let me change that
its my favorite aircraft company btw💀
Salemtechsperts has been found dead from a "self-inflicted" wound
Absolutely crazy
P - Series: Professional
E - Series: Eh
now we need the N, I, and S series.
E - Series: E-waste
Just wanna add (as someone who repairs damaged circuits under a microscope), this is what many board technicians would refer to as "flexion damage". It's not so much that it causes solder to crack (although it can certainly do this). It's usually breaking internal board traces.
Your typical computer motherboard will contain anywhere from 5-10 layers of copper. These layers of copper are all going to be micrometers thin, sandwiched between layers of PCB substrate, and machine cut/laser/chemical etched to form the traces needed to make the connections the board requires. These internal layers are what create all of the connections that get components hook up from point A to point Z. It's how the 45th ball under something like the PCH can hook up to a capacitor all the way on the other side of the board. Think of the internal layers of copper like wires. A motherboard is just a sandwich of wires.
With the copper layers being so thin, and the board being so flexible, over time the board can flex so much that some traces within the board just break. It could be something as simple as one specific trace out of thousands that prevent a necessary power rail from being produced. In other cases, it can also cause solder balls underneath BGA flip chips to crack.
The most notorious example of flexion damage is probably the Meson Touch IC controller in the iPhone 6+. For a few years many repair technicians thought this chip was just going bad due to flexion damage (balls would crack/cause shorts, thus damaging the chip). However, repairs would come back months later with the same issue. It was eventually determined that an internal trace connecting the M1 pad to the chip was the fault --- this trace would get damaged from flexing, and cause that pad to no longer connect to the vital circuitry it needed to make the chip work correctly. The "permanent fix" for this was to run a jumper from that pad to the next point in the circuit, basically bypassing the faulty trace.
Thanks for the detailed explanation, knowledgeable circuit repair person! Really makes a lot of sense.
@@RedBeardedRabbit Thank you! I highly recommend looking into how boards are manufactured, it's really a very fascinating process. I got to see the whole process up-close when I interviewed for an electronics manufacturer. Seeing boards go from sheets of machined copper all the way to a finished, assembled product was so cool.
Also, as an added note: many boards in consumer electronics will always have some flexibility to them. This is normal. Flexion damage is caused when these boards are secured too tightly to their enclosures, OR if the enclosure isn't strong enough to support its own weight.
The laptop this board was installed in was so cheap, so flimsy and floppy, that even if the board were made stronger, it would still experience flexion damage.
thats a whole article ☠️
@@printer12345bro, is too lazzzyyy
Bro is about to die from a self inflicted wound 💀
Sewer Slidal Laptop
Self inflicted from across the room like a true innovator!
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Greatest technician that's ever lived didn't roast our moms today
You all deserved a break
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He chose his wife
@@SalemTechspertslike your mom after yesterday?
☠️💀 we striking back I see @@notparanoid912
Thats not a thinkpad, thats a meditatepannel 😭😭😭😭💀💀💀💀💀💀🍞
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“Like boeing covers up mur-“ AHAHAHAHAHAH 😭😭💀💀
E stands for E-waste.
Bingo
Erectile dysfu...E-waste indeed.
OMG 😂
I'm shocked my E330 from 2012 is still working fine despite having warped chassis lmao.
@@explosiveboner3494Lol my e330 acts like a web server
The only bad thing in it is a slow ass hdd
My brain is happy after watching your videos
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How long does this buff last?
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My MSI laptop short circuited and wouldn't boot back up. I sent it to a repair shop for an assessment. They said the motherboard was in pieces with many screws straight up missing and the charging port was so twisted that the electric cables connected to it got cut by torsion. The cause of all this? You got it, cheap plastic frame. Everytime I would open the screen the charging port would turn slightly until that happened. I've had this 1300$ gaming laptop for years and I never dropped it or forced it in anyway, I just normally moved it around or placed it on my lap. With the state it was in it was a miracle that it didn't fail sooner. They had to change the whole palm rest, the charging port and either replace the lost screws or fix in place the parts of the motherboard with creative means to get it back in working order. Now that I know I swear the next laptop I buy will have a metal frame.
Laptops aren't meant to be used in the lap... Most are for table top use only. Intake fans on the bottom are the giveaway. Yes, I know, I know, it shouldn't be called laptop then. Go tell them. I didn't build them, just fix them.
@@noth606 In my case the laptop has vents behind so it’s not a problem. But the thing that annoys me about this is the sellers don’t tell you about the characteristics of the frame and why you should prefer one over the other depending on the use case. After all you’d think the creators would’ve designed the frame to not twist in a way that could potentially damage the components inside since it’s a portable device. Although I can understand that there has to be a balance between cost and quality, if I knew sooner I would’ve payed a little more to have better quality. Though maybe they wanted to get rid of their stock which would be why they didn’t bring this to my attention.
@@LAM1895 not my place to ask but which model were you using?? Cause I also have a msi laptop and now I'm scared 😰
@@shrishpotdar343 MSI GE62 7RD Apache
Whenever you start hearing your laptop crack when you pick it up always invest in a hard protective cover for it.
“P stands for pen…. Professional” made me laugh my ass off😂😂😂😂
P stands for pen... pathetic.
LOL
Average 12 yr old
Same 🤣🤣🤣
@@kreekkrap ?
That is NOT a Thinkpad, sadly Lenovo ruined the godly brand it is. That is a Ideapad disguised as a Thinkpad
You’re exactly right
Lenovo only makes StinkPads nowadays, because they leave you with the smell of regret.
@@DJdoppIer I bought myself a Asus Vivobook back in late 2020 for about 600 dollars, 10th gen i5, a dedicated but weak mx250 gpu. Not perfectly upgreadable, but man. That thing has some THICC plastics. You can't even make that thing slighty bend with everyday usage, or even some gaming smacking love.
Yet my school has laptops for teachers that are some HP's that while trying to put your hands on the touchpad to type something start to bend.
My school's Computer Science room is full of optiplexes 755 with some old, garbage xeons and 4gb of ddr2 ram, hdd, no usable gpu, just the one built into the motherboard.
Missed opportunity for " Your god damn right"@@SalemTechsperts
@@urlocalgrasshair7899 i currently have as a main laptop a vivobook from 2018 with a 8th gen i5. These things are proper laptops, the recent ones feel like they've been made out of paper...
The "You can think" Pad™ from baldi's basics 😂
Leaving that screw in the mobo was actually hilarious
"I go ahead and cover it up, like how Boeing covers up murd-"
MCAS flashbacks
@@Olivrr6814Oh! There's more. It gets worse.
@@Olivrr6814mcas meanwhile has been fully confirmed and killed hundreds of people. Both examples work tbh
Imo laptops shouldn’t even have plastic chassis
Metal should be the standard above like $400
1000000% agree
I bought a $400 laptop from Walmart a year ago and it's better made than this. It doesn't flex like that.
You'd have to coat the metal on the inside with some kind of rubber, but sure. Depends what you make it out of too. I work at a metal fab shop, we'd probably charge $100 to make a laptop case from sheet metal unless there was an absolute buttload of them. Depending on whether they get welded or they get pem nuts or any kind of coating too. But even our thinner sheets like 16ga are around $1000+ in raw material costs for a 4x10. It'd be cheaper if the theoretical company that would buy them from us would do some of the coating/assembly in-house and we would just cut and bend it, maybe countersink and thread, the standard things that are easy to do.
Actually Expensive Laptops still use Plastic, But they use Expensive plastic and some metal that is very durable
My £2000 laptop from 7 years ago is plastic and still works.
I did this with my laptop it would press the space bar and pause my video
watching on a p51
That Boeing joke was savage asf 😂😂😂😂
He said mur, the censorship is lame.
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This happened to My pc
@@JohnDoe-bt9qp youtube is owned by people who would rather not talk about their blood money
like boeing covers up their 737-
ThinkPad E's are expensive IdeaPads, and that makes me very sad.
Same :(
Even the IdeaPad’s built better than this
After Boeing lol
Reason why to get PC's
The Boeing joke got me dead.... Oh and them too..😅😅
Epstein didn...oh never mind.
Ouch! 😅
It wasn't a Boeing joke. Just a self-inflicted laugh.
What was he gonna say
@@0uditt murders because the dude that was exposing boeing's safety errors was suddenly found dead with 4 gunshots to the back of the head and it was ruled a "suicide"
I think this may explain the issue with my laptop 😭 it’s a razer blade 15 from 2019 so it’s built well, but the screen flashes black sometimes when I move it and the issue isn’t with the ram or ssd
display cable
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they still make some good models tho
Not a Thinkpad. Ideapad. Totally different product.
I'm sticking with my T490 until the T14 Gen 5 releases. I am glad that they brought back upgradability, I once thought about the E series but heard the nightmares of that series.
Dude they're so close to having a perfect ThinkPad, they just need to make the USB-C MODULAR FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
@@SalemTechspertsToo difficult to R&D. It's not like any company out there has a good _framework_ for modular laptop components.
I think the l series are still decently built and are upgradeable.
@@_carot Thank Acer, not IBM, because that's who designed that specific series.
@@RowanBird779 I thought they made the I series?
“The p stands for pe- professional”
for me the bluetooth disconnects
That thing does not deserve a ThinkPad name
Agreed
@@SalemTechsperts for real dude even an ideapad is not as wobbly as this
Ain't no way something named ThinkPad is much worse than ideapad
ReThinkPad
that thinkpad model needs to rethink its quality
Well Lenovo doesn't deserve IBM's legacy either but here we are.
That boeing joke opened the door for so many more 😂
*blew open the door
😂😂😂😂 internet people really do be abusing Boeing its basically a meme now, for all the right (or wrong) reasons lmao
😂😂😂
blown the door off*
Eeeeeh I know what you did here :)
I’m wondering what happens with payment here? Since it was technically "working" when it went into the shop and then it completely died when you took the motherboard out, does the customer still pay you for trying or do you not charge anything? Also because it was technically "working" when it went in and then was broken during repair do you compensate the customer?
What does the red button do o the middle of keyboard
“…my wife’s boyfriend” 😂😂😂😂
Right? Made me spit out my Red Bull! 😂😂😂😂
I was wondering when someone was gonna make this comment. 😂
@@Haunted_Hunter same.
What is your birthday? They should move the national insult day to it
The same as yours! We're twins!
@@SalemTechsperts gawd this was spicy
The last cut 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lenovo Is even worse than HP
I think the thinkpad makers are clearly not thinking
The accountants are doing all the thinking
@SalemTechsperts 😂 fr 😂
"P" stands for "Pe- Proffesional"😅😂
No the "P" stands for poop
Because thats what the fucking Thinkpad is no matter the model its crap
As the Angry Video Game Nerd would say "p is for piece of fucking shit!!!"
don't need to drop it
just pick it up with 1 hand enough to crack it
idk how the company still have customers after this
850 dollars in my country can buy a razor or any high end laptop heck I can buy a whole godamnn pc
Cook the motherboard in an oven so it gets re solder. But keep it on a flat surface so the components don’t fall off and remove the cooling system and all the detachable parts so if you run into a problem the whole system is not ruined. But it’s a great last resort.
Same concept as tossing a bunch of blankets on an Xbox 360 so it overheats and re-settled the solder. They used to skimp out on solder on older models so you could squeeze some extra life out of an Xbox that way
@@ktoma36 I got told that it was the leadfree solder they were using. Its supposed to be more brittle. I don't know if that's true, but it jumped to my head when I heard Xbox 360
its not a gpu man
@JOSH2625 You think it only works for GPU boards? Odd.
@@JOSH2625it will work just as well for a laptop board. They are fundamentally the same.
I used to work heavily on Lenovo's and they've always had issues like this. I had system board removal and replacement down to a 15 minute process because I did so many of them.
Can you helpme ??
thinkpads are trash.
the Boeing joke it's too real
I remember when thinkpads were all bona fide bulletproof. Apparently some investors have found a larger supply of alcohol and cocaine since then ’cause nobody in their right mind would take a product’s best part and rip it to pieces.
Hi my laptop has kind of a same problem
Dr sturgis
Once again, the greatest technician that's ever lived graces my feed.
This is why I almost always move my laptop with 2 hands. I don't slide it around with one hand. I pick it up and move it. Take care of your stuff guys.
hell no, buy stuff that lasts and isnt precarious
I've had the same laptop for three years now and am extremely reckless with it.
I'm talking falling asleep and rolling over on it, or knocking it off my bed. And of course carrying it around with one hand.
Point is, if you buy a more durable laptop you don't even need to worry. It shouldn't break from something like this. This laptop is just terribly made.
While this is in general good advice, I don't think a laptop should be made so flimsily.
This should not have to apply to an $850 laptop though, especially one with the strong Thinkpad branding attached to it.
thinkpad he more like braindeadpad
I wanted a thinkpad e but after this video I didn't want it anymore lol
Am thinking about thinkbook or redmibook 15 pro 2023 ryzen 7 8040hs
Or some good thinkpad z
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I love lenovo ❤
I remember when you could bash Thinkpad laptops on someone's head and it would barely have any scratches on it.
You gotta miss those IBM Thinkpad series, they just don't make it like they used to..
I'm glad that I stockpiled a few T440s and X250s a while ago.
I made a whole longform video a few years ago, because even then it was evident that a 10-year-old thing pad was better than brand new ones.
No joke my friend hit someone over the head, and from the side with his Thinkpad P51 twice, and he only had to replace the SSD which got bricked. Theres a huge dent that covered the ports and the hinge likes to get stuck, but the guy he hit came out with a concussion and a nasty laceration on the cheek.
@@SalemTechsperts
3rd Gen Intel was when they began adopting the use of cheaper and thinner plastic for housings.
It all went downhill from there in terms of user-upgradeability and durability.
4th Gen was the last socketed motherboard before moving to BGA mounting, and the sad part is even the earlier E-series models weren't nearly as flimsy as that E15 (my E570 and E530 were certainly built cheaper than my T460 or W530, but were certainly not *that* flexible...that is horrible).
ThinkPad was always about "the function dictates the form", but Lenovo has pushed it ever closer to Apple's "form over function" production methods and aesthetic.
So true. I had a 2004 a21m ibm thinkpad that I TRIED to destroy. It never budged lol and damaged my floor. Old thinkpads were like the Nokia 3310s of laptops haha.
"Once this happens, well, you're fu-sad"
Hilarious. Love your shorts dude
Me rn
Honestly never saw your videos, this one made me look more into you channel. Your a really funny guy keep doing it brother 👍
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Me and my coworkers call them “stinkpads”
Stay away from “Le Oh No” cause that’s all you will be saying. They just suck recently. Cheaply designed and break easily. Biggest issue I had was the USB charging port dying in a month due to faulty port or terrible firmware.
USB-C failure and newer ThinkPad. Name a better combo.
@@SalemTechspertsHP (hot poop) and broken plastic hinge mounts😊
i had the bending case and garbage hinges on a new dell so crap is the standard now i think
@@Joe-ko2kchp try not to fuck you over with their printers (100% impossible)
@@randomgack1965especially if it starts with chrome and ends with book. Asus seems to be okay still.
Weird flex
but ok
Uwue
Someone repaired this laptop in another video
When buying Thinkpads. Get either P models, or T models. My T490 is a beast, it's chassis is a monster.
That almost feels illegal because the quality of the case is so bad it causes internal damage to the laptop which is the designer’s fault
Class action?
Don't say bad things about Boeing ever again
does this mean you're also the greatest lenovo technician that's ever lived?
The boards are usually made of FR4, fiberglass, and they can flex but when they do it can break the solder joints, vias, so NEVER flex them, and put as little weight on them as possible when mounting sideways like tower cases now with the CPU and large heatsinks. It stresses the board. I used to work at a PC board factors, that's how I know this.
Isn't that why they now make mounting screws and stuff that are right next to the processor?
This guy keeps roasting the hell out of us and we are like :
👍😐👍
Maybe cpu rebol and fixid
Boeing 😂
Thinkpads have been low quality since the T580.
It bends like a cheap acer Notebook too, while having 5 times the price
L, X Series Lenovo Thinkpads rule
I agree. The X1 Carbon and X1 Nano are what every ThinkPad should be modeled after. Just please give me modular USB-C ports.
Watching the video From e14 gen 3 😢
I have a P51, then when he explained his hate i felt better lol
E stands for Escoliosis. (something that my mom learned the hard way with someone called the greatest technician thats ever lived)
penile fracture
Like Boeing covers up mur-
seeing a thinkpad NOT run linux hurts my soul
A few years ago, I bought a used Lenovo T540p laptop from a pawn shop. I upgraded the HDD to a small WD Blue 240 GB SSD and maxed out the DDR3 ram to 16 GB. It still works.
Those T540p is built like a tank, you can smack someone with that thing and it would still work just fine
850 on a plastic laptop 💀💀💀 scammed much.
E-series. E stands for E-Waste.
Not all E series are bad. At work we have two E15 with a Ryzen and they are also built good and can be picked up without breaking.
E stands for economic problems
You missed a great opportunity to call it a stink pad.
I have a T450 i think, is that a good one?
Nah, you prob just don't know how to fix it, аант контакт would fix it
My brain after watching your videos has to reprocess what monstrosity you just said a million times😂
The greatest technician saga continues
The greatest technician thats ever live 😂
I dont get why even make the P series, just call it an Ideapad
the lenovo t series is also very strong . i have lenovo t570 and uses the same frame the p51s use and it very strong it wont bend. when holding it. because it not cheep laptop like e series. that why lenovo t570 was priced at $1000 united states dollars when first came out. even laptop that are less $800 never bent like the e15
For 850 dollars i can get working car from a junkyard
The E stands for Education, meaning these things are only meant to last one year of middle schoolers.
if its cracks in the solder, put it in an oven so everything gets resoldered and make a thin metal frame and place it in the laptop, providing better studryness
broken traces can't be fixed this way
Unfortunately my 4 year old Thinkpad T15G series got a system board failure that would cost almost 700 to replace the board :( At least I built a new desktop.
lenovo products are shit as a whole
Wifes boyfriend is wild
POV: 3 of my school chromebooks so far.