ThinkPad or ThinkBad? Has Lenovo ruined the best laptop ever made?
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- čas přidán 19. 03. 2024
- What happened to our beloved ThinkPad laptop brand? A ThinkPad computer used to mean the highest quality pc with the newest and most reliable technology , but now it's just a label Lenovo seems to put on anything tech related. When do we draw the line between portable and reliable? If picking up your laptop can break your motherboard, what world do we live in?
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it's crazy how big brands like lenovo can make such craptops that are so expensive yet have the shittiest build quality possible...
@@glefyrI thought it was worldsbest8ktentacletechnicianthathaseverlivedophobia
@@zigalanimations382yeah it's fucking crazy
I also trusted lenovo over other companies for laptops because i also have one
But this video just broke my trust
Now i don't trust any laptop company anymore
Does Asus TUF F15 have good build quality than msi,hp or other gamming laptop?
That Boeing comment 😅
Say bye to every HP and Boeing 737
569 and 1 reply let me change that
its my favorite aircraft company btw💀
Salemtechsperts has been found dead from a "self-inflicted" wound
Absolutely crazy
That is NOT a Thinkpad, sadly Lenovo ruined the godly brand it is. That is a Ideapad disguised as a Thinkpad
You’re exactly right
Lenovo only makes StinkPads nowadays, because they leave you with the smell of regret.
@@DJdoppIer I bought myself a Asus Vivobook back in late 2020 for about 600 dollars, 10th gen i5, a dedicated but weak mx250 gpu. Not perfectly upgreadable, but man. That thing has some THICC plastics. You can't even make that thing slighty bend with everyday usage, or even some gaming smacking love.
Yet my school has laptops for teachers that are some HP's that while trying to put your hands on the touchpad to type something start to bend.
My school's Computer Science room is full of optiplexes 755 with some old, garbage xeons and 4gb of ddr2 ram, hdd, no usable gpu, just the one built into the motherboard.
Missed opportunity for " Your god damn right"@@SalemTechsperts
@@urlocalgrasshair7899 i currently have as a main laptop a vivobook from 2018 with a 8th gen i5. These things are proper laptops, the recent ones feel like they've been made out of paper...
"My wife's boyfriend."
why did he say that so calmly?🤣
'cause it's a pre-recorded voiceover and he's made that joke a million times by now.
I had to think for a minute 😂
I didn't hear the "wife" part so I thought he said that was his boyfriend lmao
He lernt it from Dumbledore
P - Series: Professional
E - Series: Eh
E stands for E-waste.
Bingo
Erectile dysfu...E-waste indeed.
OMG 😂
I'm shocked my E330 from 2012 is still working fine despite having warped chassis lmao.
@@explosiveboner3494Lol my e330 acts like a web server
The only bad thing in it is a slow ass hdd
Greatest technician that's ever lived didn't roast our moms today
You all deserved a break
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He chose his wife
@@SalemTechspertslike your mom after yesterday?
☠️💀 we striking back I see @@notparanoid912
Just wanna add (as someone who repairs damaged circuits under a microscope), this is what many board technicians would refer to as "flexion damage". It's not so much that it causes solder to crack (although it can certainly do this). It's usually breaking internal board traces.
Your typical computer motherboard will contain anywhere from 5-10 layers of copper. These layers of copper are all going to be micrometers thin, sandwiched between layers of PCB substrate, and machine cut/laser/chemical etched to form the traces needed to make the connections the board requires. These internal layers are what create all of the connections that get components hook up from point A to point Z. It's how the 45th ball under something like the PCH can hook up to a capacitor all the way on the other side of the board. Think of the internal layers of copper like wires. A motherboard is just a sandwich of wires.
With the copper layers being so thin, and the board being so flexible, over time the board can flex so much that some traces within the board just break. It could be something as simple as one specific trace out of thousands that prevent a necessary power rail from being produced. In other cases, it can also cause solder balls underneath BGA flip chips to crack.
The most notorious example of flexion damage is probably the Meson Touch IC controller in the iPhone 6+. For a few years many repair technicians thought this chip was just going bad due to flexion damage (balls would crack/cause shorts, thus damaging the chip). However, repairs would come back months later with the same issue. It was eventually determined that an internal trace connecting the M1 pad to the chip was the fault --- this trace would get damaged from flexing, and cause that pad to no longer connect to the vital circuitry it needed to make the chip work correctly. The "permanent fix" for this was to run a jumper from that pad to the next point in the circuit, basically bypassing the faulty trace.
Thats not a thinkpad, thats a meditatepannel 😭😭😭😭💀💀💀💀💀💀🍞
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an imaginesetup
thoughtplane
Bro is about to die from a self inflicted wound 💀
Sewer Slidal Laptop
Self inflicted from across the room like a true innovator!
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The Boeing joke got me dead.... Oh and them too..😅😅
Epstein didn...oh never mind.
Ouch! 😅
It wasn't a Boeing joke. Just a self-inflicted laugh.
What was he gonna say
@@0uditt murders because the dude that was exposing boeing's safety errors was suddenly found dead with 4 gunshots to the back of the head and it was ruled a "suicide"
My MSI laptop short circuited and wouldn't boot back up. I sent it to a repair shop for an assessment. They said the motherboard was in pieces with many screws straight up missing and the charging port was so twisted that the electric cables connected to it got cut by torsion. The cause of all this? You got it, cheap plastic frame. Everytime I would open the screen the charging port would turn slightly until that happened. I've had this 1300$ gaming laptop for years and I never dropped it or forced it in anyway, I just normally moved it around or placed it on my lap. With the state it was in it was a miracle that it didn't fail sooner. They had to change the whole palm rest, the charging port and either replace the lost screws or fix in place the parts of the motherboard with creative means to get it back in working order. Now that I know I swear the next laptop I buy will have a metal frame.
Laptops aren't meant to be used in the lap... Most are for table top use only. Intake fans on the bottom are the giveaway. Yes, I know, I know, it shouldn't be called laptop then. Go tell them. I didn't build them, just fix them.
@@noth606 In my case the laptop has vents behind so it’s not a problem. But the thing that annoys me about this is the sellers don’t tell you about the characteristics of the frame and why you should prefer one over the other depending on the use case. After all you’d think the creators would’ve designed the frame to not twist in a way that could potentially damage the components inside since it’s a portable device. Although I can understand that there has to be a balance between cost and quality, if I knew sooner I would’ve payed a little more to have better quality. Though maybe they wanted to get rid of their stock which would be why they didn’t bring this to my attention.
@@LAM1895 not my place to ask but which model were you using?? Cause I also have a msi laptop and now I'm scared 😰
@@shrishpotdar343 MSI GE62 7RD Apache
“Like boeing covers up mur-“ AHAHAHAHAHAH 😭😭💀💀
My brain is happy after watching your videos
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How long does this buff last?
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“P stands for pen…. Professional” made me laugh my ass off😂😂😂😂
P stands for pen... pathetic.
LOL
Average 12 yr old
Same 🤣🤣🤣
@@kreekkrap ?
Whenever you start hearing your laptop crack when you pick it up always invest in a hard protective cover for it.
let’s circle back to "my wife’s boyfriend" for a second 💀
Imo laptops shouldn’t even have plastic chassis
Metal should be the standard above like $400
1000000% agree
I bought a $400 laptop from Walmart a year ago and it's better made than this. It doesn't flex like that.
You'd have to coat the metal on the inside with some kind of rubber, but sure. Depends what you make it out of too. I work at a metal fab shop, we'd probably charge $100 to make a laptop case from sheet metal unless there was an absolute buttload of them. Depending on whether they get welded or they get pem nuts or any kind of coating too. But even our thinner sheets like 16ga are around $1000+ in raw material costs for a 4x10. It'd be cheaper if the theoretical company that would buy them from us would do some of the coating/assembly in-house and we would just cut and bend it, maybe countersink and thread, the standard things that are easy to do.
Actually Expensive Laptops still use Plastic, But they use Expensive plastic and some metal that is very durable
My £2000 laptop from 7 years ago is plastic and still works.
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they still make some good models tho
Not a Thinkpad. Ideapad. Totally different product.
Leaving that screw in the mobo was actually hilarious
I remember these school laptops, always had broken keyboards and missing keys. and the red dot was always gone
That Boeing joke was savage asf 😂😂😂😂
He said mur, the censorship is lame.
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This happened to My pc
@@JohnDoe-bt9qp youtube is owned by people who would rather not talk about their blood money
like boeing covers up their 737-
ThinkPad E's are expensive IdeaPads, and that makes me very sad.
Same :(
Even the IdeaPad’s built better than this
The P series shown is used by the UK government and it is hands down the most durable laptop I’ve ever used. The kind of thing you drop then check the floor first. Absolute unit
Those cut edits were so good to censor all the swearing 😂
"I go ahead and cover it up, like how Boeing covers up murd-"
MCAS flashbacks
He’s talking about how a Boeing whistleblower was found dead by a “self inflicted” wound. Yeahhhhhhh…
@@ot6814Oh! There's more. It gets worse.
@@ot6814mcas meanwhile has been fully confirmed and killed hundreds of people. Both examples work tbh
This voiceover edit is absolute gold
Same as my office laptop. Dies instantly when you pick it up. 😂
I think the thinkpad makers are clearly not thinking
The accountants are doing all the thinking
@SalemTechsperts 😂 fr 😂
That thing does not deserve a ThinkPad name
Agreed
@@SalemTechsperts for real dude even an ideapad is not as wobbly as this
Ain't no way something named ThinkPad is much worse than ideapad
ReThinkPad
that thinkpad model needs to rethink its quality
Well Lenovo doesn't deserve IBM's legacy either but here we are.
P- Professional
what was bro about to say💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
THE GREATEST TECHNICIAN THAT HAS EVER LIVED
“…my wife’s boyfriend” 😂😂😂😂
Right? Made me spit out my Red Bull! 😂😂😂😂
I was wondering when someone was gonna make this comment. 😂
@@Haunted_Hunter same.
That boeing joke opened the door for so many more 😂
*blew open the door
😂😂😂😂 internet people really do be abusing Boeing its basically a meme now, for all the right (or wrong) reasons lmao
😂😂😂
blown the door off*
Eeeeeh I know what you did here :)
There was a model of Toshiba's laptops that would hard lock up at some point due to an issue with the hard drive. The method to get it to get past the lockup I discovered was to rock it back and forth on its back edge. It would get the system past the "locked state" somehow, probably by wiggling the hard drive in such a way that its own spin would get it past its foibles, and the system would work fine again after that.
Laptops have a long history of being fucky.
Our IT department recently sorted out some old laptops and PCs. They would have gone to the landfill, so they always ask around, if someone needs something. Of course, obviously, no warranty. Got myself an old Thinkpad. One that still has that red nipple in the middle of the keyboard that you can use to move the mouse.
Opened it up. The ports are connected via flatband cables to the motherboard, meaning I can swap out every single port myself. I can also swap out the battery, RAM, SSD. Basically everything except CPU and GPU. Display can be swapped relatively easily as well.
These new ThinkPads are a disgrace.
I'm sticking with my T490 until the T14 Gen 5 releases. I am glad that they brought back upgradability, I once thought about the E series but heard the nightmares of that series.
Dude they're so close to having a perfect ThinkPad, they just need to make the USB-C MODULAR FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
@@SalemTechspertsToo difficult to R&D. It's not like any company out there has a good _framework_ for modular laptop components.
I think the l series are still decently built and are upgradeable.
@@_carot Thank Acer, not IBM, because that's who designed that specific series.
@@RowanBird779 I thought they made the I series?
What is your birthday? They should move the national insult day to it
The same as yours! We're twins!
@@SalemTechsperts gawd this was spicy
"My wife's boyfriend"
bros getting his word counts in his essay
Finally got to know what issue my laptop has🤦🏻
"P" stands for "Pe- Proffesional"😅😂
No the "P" stands for poop
Because thats what the fucking Thinkpad is no matter the model its crap
As the Angry Video Game Nerd would say "p is for piece of fucking shit!!!"
I remember when thinkpads were all bona fide bulletproof. Apparently some investors have found a larger supply of alcohol and cocaine since then ’cause nobody in their right mind would take a product’s best part and rip it to pieces.
This also happened to my p51s. Had to replace the motherboard 3+ times 😥 In the end the technician replaced the back cover with a sturdier one and the issue is fixed.
Customer needs to return the laptop and get a refund. If the company refuses, they can sue for faulty product.
I used to work heavily on Lenovo's and they've always had issues like this. I had system board removal and replacement down to a 15 minute process because I did so many of them.
Cook the motherboard in an oven so it gets re solder. But keep it on a flat surface so the components don’t fall off and remove the cooling system and all the detachable parts so if you run into a problem the whole system is not ruined. But it’s a great last resort.
Same concept as tossing a bunch of blankets on an Xbox 360 so it overheats and re-settled the solder. They used to skimp out on solder on older models so you could squeeze some extra life out of an Xbox that way
@@ktoma36 I got told that it was the leadfree solder they were using. Its supposed to be more brittle. I don't know if that's true, but it jumped to my head when I heard Xbox 360
its not a gpu man
@JOSH2625 You think it only works for GPU boards? Odd.
@@JOSH2625it will work just as well for a laptop board. They are fundamentally the same.
Flipping off a computer screen when its not working is so relatable
Other Technician:Now we fixed the laptop
This Technician in all videos: The Greatest Technician ever lived☠️
Once again, the greatest technician that's ever lived graces my feed.
the Boeing joke it's too real
It's more likely a cracked trace/solder pad rather than the actual solder. At least from personal experience. For a cheap laptop like that - I'd still call it Beyond Economical Repair. And very likely to reoccur due to design flaw.
I used to own a ThinkPad back in 2010. That guy was built like a tank 💪🏽
"Once this happens, well, you're fu-sad"
Hilarious. Love your shorts dude
Me rn
A few years ago, I bought a used Lenovo T540p laptop from a pawn shop. I upgraded the HDD to a small WD Blue 240 GB SSD and maxed out the DDR3 ram to 16 GB. It still works.
Those T540p is built like a tank, you can smack someone with that thing and it would still work just fine
That's modern Lenovo. My old Y510 goes blue screen when picked up. Works decently when standing
After about at most 8 years, my MacBook Pro started doing that. Couldn’t touch the bottom without it crashing. Finally was able to get a windows laptop a couple years ago and I’m never going back
I remember when you could bash Thinkpad laptops on someone's head and it would barely have any scratches on it.
You gotta miss those IBM Thinkpad series, they just don't make it like they used to..
I'm glad that I stockpiled a few T440s and X250s a while ago.
I made a whole longform video a few years ago, because even then it was evident that a 10-year-old thing pad was better than brand new ones.
No joke my friend hit someone over the head, and from the side with his Thinkpad P51 twice, and he only had to replace the SSD which got bricked. Theres a huge dent that covered the ports and the hinge likes to get stuck, but the guy he hit came out with a concussion and a nasty laceration on the cheek.
@@SalemTechsperts
3rd Gen Intel was when they began adopting the use of cheaper and thinner plastic for housings.
It all went downhill from there in terms of user-upgradeability and durability.
4th Gen was the last socketed motherboard before moving to BGA mounting, and the sad part is even the earlier E-series models weren't nearly as flimsy as that E15 (my E570 and E530 were certainly built cheaper than my T460 or W530, but were certainly not *that* flexible...that is horrible).
ThinkPad was always about "the function dictates the form", but Lenovo has pushed it ever closer to Apple's "form over function" production methods and aesthetic.
So true. I had a 2004 a21m ibm thinkpad that I TRIED to destroy. It never budged lol and damaged my floor. Old thinkpads were like the Nokia 3310s of laptops haha.
This is why I almost always move my laptop with 2 hands. I don't slide it around with one hand. I pick it up and move it. Take care of your stuff guys.
hell no, buy stuff that lasts and isnt precarious
I've had the same laptop for three years now and am extremely reckless with it.
I'm talking falling asleep and rolling over on it, or knocking it off my bed. And of course carrying it around with one hand.
Point is, if you buy a more durable laptop you don't even need to worry. It shouldn't break from something like this. This laptop is just terribly made.
While this is in general good advice, I don't think a laptop should be made so flimsily.
This should not have to apply to an $850 laptop though, especially one with the strong Thinkpad branding attached to it.
"The greatest technician that's ever lived."
We had a ruggedised tablet well before the iPad was invented. You could throw the thing across the room and it would survive no problem. But if you picked it up the wrong way, the case twisted enough to hit the reset button, rebooting the entire machine.
When buying Thinkpads. Get either P models, or T models. My T490 is a beast, it's chassis is a monster.
That almost feels illegal because the quality of the case is so bad it causes internal damage to the laptop which is the designer’s fault
Class action?
If The Greatest Technician That’s Ever Lived can’t fix it, nobody can.
As someone with a Lenovo laptop, I’m ashamed that this is the quality of their coveted series now…
I got the ideapad 3, it’s lasted a while now
You missed a great opportunity to call it a stink pad.
The boards are usually made of FR4, fiberglass, and they can flex but when they do it can break the solder joints, vias, so NEVER flex them, and put as little weight on them as possible when mounting sideways like tower cases now with the CPU and large heatsinks. It stresses the board. I used to work at a PC board factors, that's how I know this.
Isn't that why they now make mounting screws and stuff that are right next to the processor?
My laptop did this for like 2 years. If picked up or if it bounced on a surface too hard, it just shorted and turned off
850 on a plastic laptop 💀💀💀 scammed much.
Me and my coworkers call them “stinkpads”
Stay away from “Le Oh No” cause that’s all you will be saying. They just suck recently. Cheaply designed and break easily. Biggest issue I had was the USB charging port dying in a month due to faulty port or terrible firmware.
USB-C failure and newer ThinkPad. Name a better combo.
@@SalemTechspertsHP (hot poop) and broken plastic hinge mounts😊
i had the bending case and garbage hinges on a new dell so crap is the standard now i think
@@Joe-ko2kchp try not to fuck you over with their printers (100% impossible)
@@randomgack1965especially if it starts with chrome and ends with book. Asus seems to be okay still.
Thinkpads used to be real sturdy workhorses.. back on IBM days, they were the choice for engineers. Just the details, like drain holes under the keyboard, were pure genius. Spill a beverage; drained through, instead of into, the computer.
I'd actually imagine this being a case for a lawsuit if that's the standard for that series and brand of laptops. As moving it causes irreparable damage to the motherboard way before the time frame of the life span of said motherboard. As laptops by their nature are meant to be moved around alot.
This guy keeps roasting the hell out of us and we are like :
👍😐👍
Weird flex
but ok
CPU reball can solve the problem. Fixed a 1000 laptops with same issue. Sometimes the soldering connection of the ram slot is broken too.
I worked for Lenovo until recently, and I have lots of experience troubleshooting with this laptop, yes the E series is cheaper, it stands for economy.
I have never once had a customer with this issue on any laptop. Not saying this video is BS but honestly the E series is a great value.
I agree, my E560 is pretty decent for what it is. Bought it on eBay and upgraded it to a 1TB SSD and 16GB RAM. Seller listed it as faulty, however it works perfectly, just the HDD was blank
Thinkpads have been low quality since the T580.
It bends like a cheap acer Notebook too, while having 5 times the price
E stands for Escoliosis. (something that my mom learned the hard way with someone called the greatest technician thats ever lived)
"Now normally this indicates a mental disorder or in the laptops case, a problem with a ram or ssds" 😭🤣
$800 and that’s what you get?? For $800 I better be getting the best damn laptop there is.
E stands for economic problems
L, X Series Lenovo Thinkpads rule
I agree. The X1 Carbon and X1 Nano are what every ThinkPad should be modeled after. Just please give me modular USB-C ports.
I have used a last gen E14 laptop. That thing felt like a tank - both in the sturdiness and weight. I heard they cut down the weight of the latest model - which probably means some material was removed somewhere.
>whenever something flickers by moving, I check the RAM and SSD
>the only two solid state components on the entire machine
This is a common issue if the RAM isn't making perfect contact, it can cause the symptoms shown in the video.
My brain after watching your videos has to reprocess what monstrosity you just said a million times😂
The greatest technician saga continues
"Let me demonstrate"
The design is very human! 🗿
I've had that experience with every Acer ever, never with Lenovo. Lenovo is usually the gold standard of build quality for mobile devices
The G555s literally melted.
penile fracture
The "You can think" Pad™ from baldi's basics 😂
"Thinkpad"
Me: Welcome to Baldi's Basics in education and learning
Except that the T series also had this issue, and the best way to resolve it was to put some rubber pads next to the ram.
My first laptop was the old thinkpad and I only stopped using it until 2020. It won’t boot up anymore but loved that thing best laptop I’ve ever owned
“that was 17 seconds”
“…WHAT”
A "portable" computer that you cannot move around.
Genius!
Watching this channels videos always brightens my day with a huge smile 😃
Asus Rog G571 from 2014. New Battery, new RAM, replaced SSD/HDD with an NVME and updated to Windows 11. Wonderful machine.
I once bought a nice 17" laptop that was nice until I noticed a major design flaw: The metal trim around the keyboard pressed into the monitor. As a result, over time, it scratched the screen permanently damaging it.
I got an ideapad for 3 years now and works perfectky like if it was new.
Your computer either falled to the floor or have a malfunction and then guarantees exist for that
I had to use a think pad at work. I was using it during a production run at a factory for my quality control job. I hated that pile of junk
IBM spinning off their consumer PC division was an enormous mistake.