Easy and simple freehand sharpening system
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- čas přidán 23. 02. 2024
- I really don't like that saying ' I'll rather spend time turning then sharpening ' , sharpening and turning are so close together and go hand in hand that skills you got on one will transfer to other.
There are so many benefiths of sharpening freehand, the worst thing that can happen is that you'll waste some steel in learning process....
But trust me its well worth it and for practicing ,grab used gouge or some cheaper and put in the effort....
Hopefully you'll try it and give it some time and effort.
Enjoy
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disclaimer Methods that are shown works great for me and they are not only methods out there, if you find this or any other method not comfortble,please use some other way.
Thank you and enjoy - Jak na to + styl
Turning was in your blood.I only started this year,I’m 53 and wish I’d tried this years ago because I love it.
Its never to late and if you have the time it can be learned relative quick with practice ofcourse.... Thank you very much for watching
I’m amazed by the quality of the shavings, will be trying to emulate your grind approach, and your delicate touch.
Dear Tomislav, I follow that path because of you and your Mentor Richard. Long learning curve, but I totally understand the benefits out of It. It is the best way to understand your tools and how they work. As such you only ask them to work as they are meant to work. Thank you again for your insights and real life demonstration. Have a nice weekend!
Thank you Boris 😀
Very good demonstration. Many thanks. I will be practicing grinding as per your instructions. Thank you.
I have made a jig to help me with the basic shape of my gouges. I freehand to come close to a sharp edge. But to refine and renew the edge while turning, I use the diamond plates that I use for my chisels. It’s very quick and easy and there is no risk of overheating.
Its good method, we all just need to find what works for us🤗
You could say that you reach a point of diminishing returns, meaning that the more expensive you go, you do not necessarily get much better performance.
Brilliant Tomislav, back to basics we are all hounded by commercials to bye this, that and a lot more stuff we don’t really need.
You have just demonstrated that you just don’t need it all just improve your skills and save a fortune . Thank you
Thanks for saying it nicely, nicely explained... Thank you very much Jim
Thank you. Its good to see the process of turning going from the gouge that need to be sharpened to using the gouge to fashion the bowl.
Glad you like it ☺️
Thank you sir. Until recently I have held back on getting traditional tools because of the sharpening. This gives me the confidence that I can start without spending to much money.
You sure can, prepare to make few mistakes but its all learning curve and once you understand freehand sharpening it will be a joy
I like your method of sharpening, and I think that having the jig is necessary to bring it back to a factory setting. When I hand sharpen the angle starts to increase or decrease after a while, so I throw it it the jig just every now and then 😂
This is so helpful, thank you.
I also do some bladesmithing, where i free hand grind all my knives. So when i got a wood lathe i just started sharpening free hand with the belt grinder
Grit systems vary between different manufactures
The way I like to aproach the high grit wheels is to rough the shape on a courser wheel with the platform at a more acute angle, so when I go to the finer one it will only touch the very edge. Like roughing the 4040 shape first on a 35 degree platform and then going to a 40 degree one.
Great demonstration and debunking a few sharpening myths.
My dad was a heavy duty mechanic for his career and I learned a lot from him during that time. His approach to most things mechanical at the grinder typically involved removing material as fast as possible. So, that's what I learned as a young lad, and when I started using a grinder as a turner, my touch was far firmer than it needed to be. Watching you in previous videos slowed that down and made me have a more delicate touch and now better edges.
Thanks Jay appriciate that ☺️
Very good presentation and detailed instruction. Thank you!
Thank you for explaining your grinding methods. Much appreciated.
Great and useful video - thank you
If you can afford it try a tormek bar set up on a high speed grinder.
Or use tormek bars set up on a sorby pro edge, both are awesome for free hand.
I never adjust my bars either, I use one bar/wheel for freehand and the other is setup with a platform jig for scrapers.
Both are permanent and never get adjusted, quickest system I've ever used.
Hate sharpening so the less time involved the better for me.
Another awesome video! I think im going to go home after work and trybsome freehand sharpening. It only makes since tonfollow this progression as I've taught myself to sharpen my chainsaws without jigs or guides. Thanks again Bro for you're guidance and sharing of knowledge and skills.
Thank you, go for it, so many benefiths, just be persistent.
One big benefit for me with freehand sharpening is it takes so little time. A quick touch up just takes one minute or less and you are right back at it.
Indeed, agree with you sir
Nice amount of information. Thank you.
More great information. Thank you.
Very informative videos . Thanks
Great sharpening, very good 👍
Great video and much much appreciated thanks
Thank you for sharing the great sharpening tips and tricks and addressing some of the mysteries. Thank you very much!
Great lesson again Tomislav
This is a great video. Sharpening is my hardest learn.
Learning so much with your videos.
Awsome to hear that sir 😉
Yes. The biggest insentive for starting freehand grinding at the begining was the price of all freehand grinding jigs. 😅 But its a long learning curve and I am still learning, so thanks Tomislav
Thank you Tomislav for demonstrating. It shows one time more that you do not need a Tormek T8 with all the Jigs for nearly 1000 Euro. I have the same Grinder RSBG8. I bougth it for 89 Euros in a Winteraction. Than i updatet it with a CBN 180 Grit for 180 Euro and i am nearly happy. The Oneway plattform is on my whishlist to complete my setup. 😉
Thank you for this. I'm at the thin grey stone grinder stage and hope to buy an 8" one later this year. Your help on this is greatly appreciated.
Thank you Rachel, hopefully you won't have to wait long for your upgrade
Another excellent video. Thank you! When I started turning a long time ago there were no jigs. Everyone sharpened by hand. I learned to present the tool to the grinder as if I was trying to turn it. Works beautifully. Certainly I have used jigs both those I've made as well as those sold by others. They have their place, too.
About the grit of wheel. I certainly agree with you. The end result is a sharp tool whether you get there with a carefully used 60 grit or a 600 grit. One doesn't work or last better than the other. An 80 grit CBN wheel make a good edge just like the 180 grit you use. The "issue" with the 80 grit is that it cuts much faster. It is easy to grind away more tool than is necessary to make a sharp edge. Either grit still gets the job done.
Lovely said sir, agree with your comment 😀 thank you very much for watching
Wish this video had come out in September 2020 when first started turning... my sharpening the would have been much better. Thanks for sharing!
Stuart
Thanks Stuart, We all have room to improve, that is how I like to keep myself on toes to be open to learn something new
Thank you.
You always present the best lessons Tomislav.
Thank you, really appriciate ☺️
Another great masterclass tomislav thanks for sharing.👍👍
Thank you Will 😀
I hope folks listen to the end the light touch is such a key !! Thank you!
Thanks buddy 🤗
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Very good teaching kind sir..
Thank you sir
Dear Tomislav, it looks so easy! I can turn just about anything after three years as a turner (retiree). Yet what I still find the hardest thing to do is sharpening! I have two Wolverine systems and it takes me so much time to set the angles, distances, arms… especially since I use different grinds (40/40, 55, 65, asymétric, scrapers …. I now have older gouges and this vidéo encourages me to try freehand again on my 6 inches cbn wheels. Thanks again.
Thank you Alain, sharpening can be frustating but you just have to plow through that bad days and you'll see results 🤗
Very helpful. I've been meaning to give freehand sharpening a try. The time saved would really help me.
In my case I usually wait longer to grinder to get a bit speed then what accual sharpening takes... So I think with time you'll save quite a bit time
Another really good video. Appreciate seeing how to do this. One of the other benefits of this method even when one has one of the jigs is being able to continue to use and sharpen tools after they have become too short to fit in the jig. I have a couple of gouges that have reached that state -- this is going to extend their useful lives
Ohhh yes, indeed, I forgot about that😅 my spindle gouge can verified that😀 Thank you for feedback on this topic
Thank you 👍
I bought a 2 wheel CBN set up, but having no experience with it I went with the seller’s personal preference (he is a turner) and that turned out to be 180 and 350. But I realized right away the 180 is plenty fine enough grit and I wish the 350 was a much coarser grit. Especially now that I started making a lot of my own tools. Part of the learning process.
Indeed, its all part of learning ☺️
When I first got my first lathe, I didn't have a grinder. I did have a hand grinder, so I made a jig to hold it and would sharpen my gouges on it. I became quite good at getting a good edge on the hand grinder. Then I bought a good grinder, cbn wheels and a oneway wolverine jig. Now I am completely reliant on using the jig, and am completely unable to freehand sharpen. After watching yours and Richard Raffan's videos, I'm seriously considering getting rid of my jig system and re-learning how to freehand sharpen.
It will be a learning curve but well worth one.... Just be persistent...
🕶Thanks Tomislav
Hi Tomislav, this really is a great video, as you know I learned from Richard how to grind freehand, and it is the best. You have explained about the different grits and different wheels really well. Your explanations were very beneficial to beginners and every other level of turners. Well done. Don’t apologise about the talking, without the words to explain, there is no benefit. Wisdom is knowledge applied.
Thank you very much for kind words and glad to meet another freehand sharpening fellow turner☺️
I am awful at freehand sharpening..my oval skew is very hard and I have a difficult time sharpening it...the jig I have for my bowl gouges is so fast and easy to use....
After watching this video I will have to give freehand sharpening another try.
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Thanks for an informative video, you are an excellent teacher. You call your grind anasymetrical because you are doing it freehand vs jig? Do you vary the sharpening angle?
The asymmetrical grind is where one of the wings of the gouge is longer than the other.
The right wing is shorter and excellent for facing endgrain and for hollowing, and left wing is longer with full curve... Its grind I learned from Richard Raffan
A fantastic video Tomislav....I'm getting better at freehand sharpening with practice and following your advice. Thanks 😊
Thank you, really appriciate that and glad to hear you are getting better at sharpening 🤗
I think the phrase that you were looking for regarding wheel grits is something like: "a point of diminishing returns".
Your comment regarding freehand grinding skills relating to turning skills in general is even more appropriate when we are reminded of how important visualization is to the craft as a whole. You have to know what the profile should look like to begin with to be able to sharpen effectively. This goes for everything from knives to chainsaws and no jig will replace this fundamental concept. There's a dude on CZcams who sharpened his chainsaw with a Stihl jig and noticed that the saw was cutting less and less efficiently. Turns out that he was using the wrong size jig/file the whole time. If he had known what the cutter should look like from the beginning, he would have been a lot more productive and not have wasted a lot of time and money. You and the Maestro have generously and often demonstrated what a sharp tool should look like. Again making these videos unparalleled (except for the two of you) in this craft.
I sharpen freehand and have always used belts. A Johannes Michelsen grind for bowl gouges. There's supposed to be a jig for this grind, but it looks ungainly and time-consuming. I am going to try the asymmetrical grind. That one-handed sweep of a cut was impressive. And very informative.
Another outstanding video.
Thank you.
Greg
Thank you Greg, really appriciate your feedback and comment and it really contrubute to the topic... Thank you very much
I looked for your video on how you sharpen your bandsaw blades, but I can't find it, can you send me the link ?
I think he mentioned that such a video is forthcoming
Correct ☺️
Just filmed it yesterday, after 4ways it will be live 😀
>What was the bevel angle ?
Around 45
Thank you !
The reality is if you rely on jigs to sharpen you wont sharpen tools often because it becomes a chore to set the jig every time
True ,but most jigs there days are quite fast but they have a lot of limitations , what I think of limitations at least.... Freehand is faster and has more freedom for sure ....
I came here from your mentor and Sam. I can't watch these long videos even though I have the interest. I like watching you its just too long. Can you do shorts? Or at least shorter?
Shorter and to the point. Watching you turn is mesmerizing but lots of talking makes me look out the window and I have to back up, making your videos take even longer to view. Some turners don't talk at all. I don't think you need to go that far but maybe somewhere in between. My reason for watching is probably 60% entertainment and 40% learning. If I was 100% learning then i wouldnt want a shorter video. Its just that my focus gets distracted too much to follow till the end, or even just to your next point some of the time.
Love your video's and instruction's for us beginners
Thank you very much 🤗
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I have 2 CBN wheels.If we can trust chinesse sellers those are 80 and 180 gritt. Your CBN realy look like something 100-120 grit to me.... to confuse you more .. :)
😅😅 thanks😉
I'll start to say that it is vari grit from 100 to 180😉
Excellent demonstration video as we have come to expect from the master, I think more people will have a go at freehand sharpening now. Initially I bought a set of cheap tools so that I could practice sharpening and not be concerned about grinding too much metal away. Once I had mastered freehand sharpening I bought better quality tools. Greetings from Tasmania Australia.😁👍🇦🇺🦘 Bought Made in Sheffield-black handles like those they sent you, I now have a range of them, so much better steel and they stay sharp a lot longer.
Thank you very much sir, that approch is awsome and thank you for comment on this topic
Great video. It's good for us new turner's who aren't making any money yet