The Dangers of the On Guard Ready Position... Posing - Wing Chun, Kung Fu Report - Adam Chan
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I like using non-threatening posture, because you as a non-psycho person should seek to de-escalate tense situations. Plus it is better to hide your skills so that you have benefits of surprise and to give advantages. Also sometimes just having your arms out or in front saves 0.5 seconds if you need it
Matthias633 Put your hands up in a deescalating manner like he showed in the video so you are ready to defend yourself physically and mentally. I used it several times irl and non turned into a fight. It also give the bystanders an impression that you are the one trying to calm things down.
Same! Arms up and front, "surrender position" with palms ahead - is veeeery good. It's disarming, non-threatening and "looks good on cameras" too. You're not looking for a fight.
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Rules of self defense:
1. Run and call police after you're clear of the threat
2. If you can't run, insist not to fight and give them what they want ie. Your wallet, phone etc.
3. If that's not enough, then look for ways to even the odds ie. Sun in their eyes, weapon etc.
4. Heart away in your ready stance
5. Hit them with all and everything you've got and get out of there immediately to call the police and/or an ambulance
This Sensei is correct. Your best defense is to remain calm and not show that you're able to defend yourself until the very last moment you need to.
Sensei ?
diggleboy Sifu*
I dig you man selfish to the bone. give them what they want is ok unless they want to beat a child in front of me.some people look to give a beating as a hobby.You can run if you want, and please do so.if I see some one beating a woman or a child or an old person, I am in. Maybe hit them with the car and keep going spray them with starting fluid and set them on fire, and run away. I can't live with your idea, so I will gamble that I will die with mine.
He's totally right about the guard position: last week I had to defend myself against a group of muggers (5), they were all about 14-15-years-old, so you know, it wasn't the same as defending against a group of grown men. This was the second time in a month I'd been attempted mugged like this-after 20 plus years studying martial arts-then twice in one month! What are the odds? I put my hands up like in the 'fence posture', which allows you to look like you're putting your hands up as if to 'surrender' and therefore de-escalates the situation. While maintaining the wing chun 'triangle' with the elbows: this also allows you to keep your hands close to the face without appearing to be defending yourself. As the first guy came over to me, I allowed him to go through my front pockets with his hands: this IMO is quite safe as 1: I had nothing in there to steal 2. it keeps his hand potentially trapped easily. I always keep my wallet in my inside pocket so I don't mind so much if they want to go into the front pockets on my coat-which was exactly his next attempted move, at this point out of reflex I turned slightly which was enough to send him off balance to my side. Next, his friend came over and attempted to put me in some sort of headlock? Or chokehold, honestly I don't know-any way at this point I turned and was fully relaxed as I turned into his attempted hold and reversed it sending him to my side as his friends had now all come over and were trying to get into my pockets: I kept this guy to my side thus acting as a sort of shield against the others as well as maintaining my elbow position without making a guard. Then after this failed attempt, I had managed to create a gap of about 10 feet, maintaining the same 'guard' position. My main goal was to not escalate or hurt them as kids around here are the ones who carry knives, and there's no way I wanted to get into that on a dark night by the canal...Anyway, after creating this gap between us they slowly backed off and ran. Some witnesses nearby came over and asked 'if I was OK?'. My response was: 'I just wanna break these kids spines!'. It's actually strangely frustrating when you're in this situation for real, and you know that as long as they don't bring weapons you could really hurt them 'teach them a lesson' so to speak. I know this is petty and stupid and I should just feel pleased to have stayed safe using the skills I've learned and practiced over the years, but you know, I'm only human. Anyway, to go back to the point in hand: in short, never start a fight using the so-called 'traditional guard' in real life, just as Adam says here, real life does not work like this and will likely only make things worse: escalating quite pointlessly and dangerously. Also don't let anybody kid you: these skills really do work-I've studied WSL wing chun for a number of years as well as Shaolin: Xing-Yi-Qua and so on, and yes they really are effective: but probably more important than anything is relaxation and basics like stance and awareness of the opponents body in relation to your own (angles). All these skills are best practiced in chi sao I think-the fundamentals really are the key here. One final point: I was doing all this with a bag containing orange juice on my shoulder-so it was a real balancing act as I didn't want to ruin the juice I'd just bought from the shop and destroy my shopping by dropping my bag!
@jin-out no, actually it hasn't happened since: that was the third time I was in the wrong place, wrong time and kind of decided to stop pushing my luck: so basically I don't walk in dark areas alone at all now: and thanks for your response: lol, I don't know why nobody else responded, but that's YT comments section for you!
Real violence is truly terrifying I was at the supermax and seen some ugly shit , I've been thru some ugly stuff as well , usually violence is so sudden unless it's a agreed upon fight , like adam said , awareness is so very important
This is good advice. Being caught off guard is dangerous and a very disturbing experience. It happened to me once when I was younger and never will again. After that I made a habit of being aware of my surroundings when ever I leave my house. There’s a bug difference between an agreed upon fight and being ambushed
@@1mataleo1 absolutely , I've been victimized more than I'd like to admit , however I learned so much thru those experiences , I learned the hard way I am ultra aware of everything and everyone , so much so , I'm aware of the smallest change in energy I'm sure you can identify
To have an on guard stance that doesn't telegraph your experience a netural posture , your first move will be a defensive block , if your in a confrontation your hands should never be stuck at the side of body or in your pockets . Segal was always in an on guard stance without actually being in an on guard stance .
Brian Keane Agreed sudden violence is truly chaotic. That’s why martial artists or fighters have to train themselves to be able to thrive in those situations and have the upper hand to come out on top. I don’t know if they truly get that lesson across in self defense courses how savage an attack can be. In a situation like that everything is fair, punching kicking biting scratching gouging choking grabbing any object within hands reach. I had a friend who was proficient in taekwondo and boxing and he told me to always grab something first if you can and use your hands as a last resort cause if you damage or break your hands you’re finished
@@mathieujolliff951 it's why I train daily these days I grew up doing martial arts and boxing , I lost my way for awhile , I've consistently training for about 10 years hand and limb conditioning and so on , a few years of bjj , tkd is what I did growing up and boxing , I really sharpened my skills up , I concentrated on all my weaknesses went back too boxin gym
as well for a few years to add to what I already trained , I study and train everyday om the best I've ever been , , I have been in ugly situations that taught me lessons
This is the most well said thing i have ever heard about wing Chun...
You: fight me
Dude: wing chun... ip man
You: *laug-*
Also you: *realizes he is Donnie yen* 0-0
This automatically reminded me of the late great Bruce Lee....
"Do not be tense, just be ready, not thinking but not dreaming, not being set but being flexible. It is being “wholly” and quietly alive, aware and alert, ready for whatever may come.”
...over 45 years ago.
And yet people still dont learn. Ego. Pride. Thinking you are above others, including the masters from the past. We as martial artists or people who refuse to hide from fear should learn from the past to build a better future. Like how you quote Bruce Lee. That is learning the past to protect your future and to make it better. Anyone else who might read this, don't follow the failures path and ignore what has been given to you. Learn it. Apply it.
Proper thanks to you Bill Dozer for reminding us about what Bruce Lee said.
Easier said than done. How much meditation you do a day? If you don’t meditate, those are just empty words.
@@marcellolaginhas7370 Plenty. I can also question the same. Its all about personal growth. The only person i answer to is me. Not you.
TheLuconic I meditate enough to know that I don’t know nothing 😊🤙
Yah I can be all but flexible. I stretch and stretch and am still as flexible as a 2by4. How can I get flexible without ripping my muscles apart cuz that's the only thing holding me back
Adam I checked through your vids and you display true skills and knowledgeable about fighting principles. I just think you should make like 20 - 30 minutes long videos.
To many people don't understand the difference between concept and use.
The man-wu pose is a training pose to learn to defend ur chin with rear hand and check with front hand.
Like chainpunches are a concept to learn to keep attacking and seeking for openings.
Idea is not to stand and centerline-chainpunch all the time. That are concepts that have to make work in sparring and are 1 % of WC.
@True WingChun I simplified it for other styles 😉 especially those guys who see a video of a chunner not just doing chainpunches all the time and then yelling " that's not wc! I know wc! I have seen it on CZcams for 10seconds!....😀
Dude, you are on the point!
No posing no instigation , be natural , neutral
0:51 I can confirm, as someone who has re-watched the film's many, many times, I do this every single day in the morning
Love this.
Wing chun works when you’re not deluded.
Great video man.
Great stuff ,love wing chun,your explanation of it ,is just great :)
Good video. These are the little things that add up to big things in an encounter
Love it 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾🙏🏾
So well said. Wow..
I had many years of wing Chun before moving in to kickboxing and now BJJ . The obvious question is “ why learn and practice an ineffective guard ? “ believe me I learnt this the hard way .... simple HANDS UP and control the distance as much as possible in ALL physical confrontations.
Man, it made me laugh so ! :D
I never thought of it that way. That's actually a really good point.
Hello, Sifu Chan. I would find it interesting to see more students showing your teachings. Thank you!
"Non-threatening," that has been my philosophy for YEARS.
Good man, Mr. Chan.
My sifu also teaches the non-threatening posture. Good stuff!
I am a Wing Tsun guy and i totally agree with you.
Good point... Agree with that
I like this guy how practicaø is....
I think this is the corect abordation of fighting situation!!!
at 02:23 that's a very good tip.
it's non-threatening while you're in a pretty good defensive position.
0:51 "Wing Chun.... IP MAN."
(SOUNDTRACK INTENSIFIES)
🤣
When threatened if you don't adopt a pose no matter how subtle then you place yourself in danger. You must under threat be ready to defend and attack. I like the hand on the chin pose with the other hand lower down which looks non-threatening and can be explosively fast.
1:31 mins ... Oh man!!! I give you my heart ... LOL😂😂😂 🙏
I have some ideas when wing chun move in close in prepared fight
Wow, I don't even train wing chun but this master share the same idea I had about wing chun 100
High quality instruction here. For myself, 2nd degree brown belt BJJ instructor and three years JKD/Kali. This is legit instruction..first class. Bravo.will be tuning into this channel more often
I like this guy..almost all fights are spontaneous..why give the enemy any advantage...
Muito bom gostei
The way I heard about that kind of stance is that to make him have to deal with the hand that is closer to him first to get at you
no flashing. no telegraphing. . yes Sifu.. no doubt. .
I think the guy was asking what would be an appropriate fighting stance.
I'm not disagreeing with the assessment but lets say he does do sparring. What would be the best fighting stance? Traditional or a different variation or a modernized one.
I think what the guy is trying to ask is whether the wing chun pose serves as an effective defensive pose in comparison to boxers during a boxing match with their guards up. Or whether there is a historically logical reasons for such guard to be trained in the old days. I love your explanation in both historical reasons and modern applications. Peace from Malaysia
I laughed when he made the ip man ost sound 😂😂😂
Stance is relaxed.
Greetings from Vancouver Island Adam, Good pointers, I have always admired Steven Seagal’s ready stance, you will have no idea what he is going to do!
I'm on the Island too. Do you train?
I fully agree with everything you said. However, I like too if you do lift your hands use a palms facing the person with a "I don't want any trouble stance" - or even say it?
Many years ago, I knew this guy who used to practice Wing Chun. He told me his teacher taught him not to pose a Wing Chun stance because you don't want people to know you are going to use Wing Chun. It is the element of surprise.
Before the aggression starts it is a good idea to have a bridge up. Not a martial stance. A stance is a split second reaction to perceived contact.
This man is funny 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Aikido I've been trained in has no kamae (stance), only mental kamae so to speak - Nishio style.
No posing ,classic!
As a fellow Wing Chun practitioner, I too have an issue with the traditional stance's hand position; it closes the center and opens the sides. The non-wing chun fighter will throw a hook in response to the block centerline. Think of it like driving: when a road is blocked by debris the natural tendency is to go around it. Why go through and bust a tire? It doesn't make sense. Yet in fighting, we expect someone to throw a punch at our center so we can do our wing chun. All we do in basic drills is punch through a blocked center. To me, the drills help a beginner feel the center however, I rarely see the art demonstrated against a curve path (let alone from a pro boxer). The centerline drills make attacks predictable (less threatening) which leads to false sense of skill. That's why many are blind-sided to non-centerline attacks and we see that in the growing number of "wing chung" sucks videos on youTube. That's why I incorporate spontaneous non-linear attacks in the pak-sao and chisao drills.
LOL . Knife fighters be like crouching tiger, hidden dragon ahaha xD
I hide my Wing Chun under my 38 lol
Not really lol..but I think Wing Chun is super healthy practice, and I dont like to fight so Ya may have to bluff it's a society of images haha
I'm swinging for the fence...haha..oops I bunted lol
Actually my seihings some 9f the bigger ones does matter who, they do this whoever it is , isgetting taken out..hehe
Wait who are U talking to :0??
This student looks like JKD instructor Tommy Carruthers who, a martial artist who appears to be as fast with his hands as Bruce. One of Bruce's quotes, "Don't get ready, be ready!"
Cool
Good advice I ve learned this from my Sifu ,but Bruce Lee said "Knowing is not enough we must apply" you are good at knowing (teacher) but I want to see you good at applying (fighter).
It is good to hear WC talking about the guard. But it goes further. In training as Adam explains yes you stand in your guard when practicing , sparring etc but its all fair, worked out, and friendly. But another point that differs on the street is speed of attack. The speed can be so fast (of which you don't practice in class) and this alone makes standing in guard impractical because of your need to react to an attack. The element of surprise is in every attack on the street its true, sure the one on one showman fight does occur but i bet there will still be a distraction thrown in so they can sucker punch or pull a knife or have his mate attack from another angle. So practicing with hands down, close up even with multiple attackers is a must. Also folded arms, hands on hip, hands on head (maybe was putting on glasses or a hat) Element of surprise is always there so you have to find a way to make elements of surprise a part of your defense too. All the best.
I was taught this back in the early 90’s. Great advice.
If the other guy gets close to you, that's enough for me , I don't need any more messages. He's coming with bad intentions, so I WOULD put my hands up rather than get sucker punched. Maybe in a non- threatening way like he says towards the middle of the video , but DEFINITELY NOT keep my hands down, that's a BIG mistake
Just whenever you walk, always march around swinging your arms all the way, with your fists clenched. People will think something's wrong with you & stay away, but your hands are always swinging up & ready to punch -- just in case.
Wish there's more sifu out there telling the truth about that stance. There couple mistakes on traditional stance when comes to fight
One reason posing in a fight is bas is youre giving insight. They now will assume u "know" something. How they deal with u will change now. Imo always stay "underestimated," "Lessor than," "without skill." That way they don't plan right.
I meant bad
The Wing Chun "On Guard" is as representative of the usage of Wing Chun as it would be if a BJJ fighter started the fight by laying on the ground with an open guard. Do NOT do that.
U train in this position. So u can train, he attacking outside of front hand- I do this... In a fight he don't have to wait till he attacks.
WC always attacks self.
In the comment section as always high grade specialists dealing with life-and-death fights every second day.
In my opinion, a pose or stance is good and practical, it can help with a lot more than you think, such as confidence (very important in a fight), helping you strike better, use certain technique's, and helps with reflexes, coordination, and for you to stay on target, a good pose can help you win a fight( adam- "people put up the pose and think of ip man and the music" whoever is doing this is probably not in reality, that mean whoever it is needs to practice the mental side of martial arts, but then again, people do have different opinions
My Sifu said that the guard is there for only as long as it needs to be if nothing is stopping you should be attacking
The words one chooses are also a line of defense
no posing i am glad to attain that knowledge! use that skill unless you have no other choice to subdue him!
I think he was trying to make a good point in terms of not telegraphing your intentions by taking a fighting stance but putting up a guard is not posing, it is being ready to block blows and so on. He says having your hands by your side is not, not being ready, really? There is a reason why professional fighters have their hands up, it is to stop being hit in the head by a hook or similar. So, to me he had a lot to say about not posing but actually gave almost no useful advice about how to be a ready position and at the same time not trigger the other person. He also kept making references to them having a knife. So, best option is hands down? Once a fight begins, and if you get space, then the guard is there for a reason, use it. And, yes, use a relaxed non-threatening position but hands by your side is asking for trouble.
Usually violence is sudden and ugly but when working various security and bodyguard jobs in the 1980's I would do that and make the sounds and announce what moves I was going to use like in Kung Fu gold movies, (You know the old cheep, bad pre-Bruce ones on TV in the 1970's,) for my amusement, but only if I could see that they did not know what they were doing and thought they did. Great fun. I started training in the 1960's and have been dead, so do what he says not what I do. Those poses are a great way to block BTW.You bring it up at the same time they punch. The ready positions are good for closing all openings for attack. I acted like Jacky Chan, buy I have asthma and am a pacifist so I make it be over quickly and they will not comeback for more.
Posing is also a legal drawback.
Hey Adam...been a fan of your concept but why dont u teach something regarding non classical kungfu that u learnt from Jesse Glover...plus also why dont u also show how to put in a jab, cross or hooks instead of of just straight blasts, plus defending the same using wingchun concepts. Also what is ur take on weapon disarm that is if u have no choice in disarming a gun or a knife cause I haven't seen no wingchun practitioner doing that...
I dont show what Jesse share w me because i know he never wanted his stuff in the public n i respect his wishes RIP. It is the same why i do not teach my own gung fu. What i show in public is wing chun , people like that and its good
2:10 yeah you best not to taunt or pose, be aware of your surroundings and react before they do use whatever works best. If you are in a fight you now when to defend or walk away. If you are suddenly attacked best you can try to do is be aware of those chances of attack. Going though a dark park in a seedy neighbourhood alone on pay day, not always a good time to be off day dreaming! Be aware!
Thank God.. someone said the Right Thing!!!!!..by posing the WC position... will not make you a winner.. and the other guy will go away running...!!!
Exactly. This guy's street smart.. get out if you can one punch even in defense can kill. Defend if you must. Don't pose. Just violently spontaneously attack the attack, if you can't leave the situation.
If you use the knives correctly with wing chun principles it can be traditional.
And besides even if it's not you're going to look like you know what you're doing and that might stop him from attacking you
LA posición de guardia dependerá de tu adaptación. Hay momentos que varian.El arte winchung complementaria es un sistema que alluda a comprender varios estilos.
That's Ip Man's style , sticking the arms out.
Wing Chun rules lol
Isn't it FOR the knives? Like Philippino boxing is for the knife, sword and stick.
ahahahahahahahahah wonderfulll sifu
That asking hands posture is a gift from the gods of the slow and torque blessed..You are ready to block me with hands at your waist, you are so fast and so trained.I am not ready to block you with my hands in the asking position because I am not nearly as fast as you are.Wing chun makes up for that because of the speed of the touch system when a fast guy like you comes at me he is gonna hit me, but he is also going to touch my asking hands.when he touches I react. strike, grab, stomp low kicks.throw my hands up beside my head and charge hope he catches an elbow.consider the position lightening bolt adam and glacier me. I have my asking hands up and the forward hand matches your forward hand.It buys me speed to have all that distance, hands up elbows tight.If I get a hold of you I will randomly jerk different directions and try to keep you off balance while I am hitting you and you are attacking me.if you can't get your feet planted you can't punch very hard and if i am yanking you towards the other hand I hit extra hard, trying to stomp a foot or shin, bite do something. I figure I got two chances to beat your ass in a fight slim and none.I see the asking hands position as fattening up old slim chance.
Also, what irks me about the wing chun stance is the arm at the front will simply not be loaded. So every would know which arm they need to be worried of. And to be predictable, its bad. A normal jab would probably be better and faster than retracting the lead hand and then strike with it.
Next, Id be super scared of grapplers if my limbs are out there. IIRC Judo has the concept of things closer to you as stronger. A wing chun stance is probably gonna be exploited to the max by a judoka
Perhaps Im wrong, so Im open to discussion.
Edit: wording
Another grappling vs wing Chun chat? No thank you.
That's not really the idea of the wing chun guard. With wing chun you fight on the blind side so the lead hand is more of a parry/block hand to begin with. Initial strike would most likely come from the rear hand unless climbing the arm in combat.
@@Plague_Angel Exactly. Isnt that a disadvantage? When an opponent can guess with a fair chance about where the first strike will be from?
The lead arm is loaded if ur doing it right. Think short and midrange strike. This could be a palm to the chin. Also forgot about the block and strike with both simultaneously.
@@de0509 yes but it's not always used for that. You can also strike from the lead. I always found wing chun to work better to counter strike with. As an overall martial art I wouldn't dedicate too much time to it anyway. And there are also techniques in wing chun to escape grabs. Not sure how effective they are against seasoned judokas as I've never sparred with one.
I use wingchun in fighting, but I don't use the stance.. I am using a gesture that makes me comfortable to respond quickly.. This is right, don't think that if you use wingchun stance you'll defenitely rain your opponents with wingchung atyacks like ip man.. Do not be bounded by what you've learned, be free of using it in many ways you know but you can.
I get what he's saying but the bottom line is that getting into a fighting stance and having your hands up in a guard isn't "posing"; it's putting your hands and feet in an optimal position for defending and attacking if you are actually in a fight. People don't train that way because it's fun, they do it because it is effective. If you don't do that, then you are hindering your ability to fight by narrowing the available range of tactics and their effectiveness. If a pro fighter was standing in front of his opponent during the fight as if he was having a conversation, he would be at a distinct disadvantage. Like it or not, there is a large overlap between what works in the ring and what works in the street.
The idea that if you "pose" in a fight, then the other person is just going to pull out a weapon is silly because they can pull out a weapon either way. Sure, you shouldn't always get into a fighting stance right off the bat when an altercation gets heated because then you are escalating the situation into something that may otherwise be avoidable, but if the fight has already begun, you damn sure better get your hands up and have your feet in a position that lets you move and throw punches as easily as possible. He is essentially explaining how to maximize the element of surprise in your favor, but that won't always be enough to end the fight right away. The idea that real fights always end in a split second, is a fantasy-- you can't plan on being able to put someone away at will just by trying catch them off guard. Nothing he is saying really applies in a situation where the other person is highly aggressive and starts swinging at you before you decide to attack; in which case, again, you should probably create some space and get your hands up.
bunklypeppz fucking totally missed his point and obvious you haven’t ever been in a real fight. It’s about not triggering your opponent. Don’t pose at all. Just have your hands ready without posing .
2:22
True. I studied Wing Chun for 9 months. More effective with Dragon fist (Middle Knuckle protrude) striking the eyes. You see Amatuer MMA fighters take that classic stance and get whipped.
Hiding your structure is good.
I cross train kung fu with judo, and its a fun whenever my kung fu sparring partner extends his arm as a guard just grab it and pull it and taking him off balance, but pretty regret to complete the throw because no mat is available on kung fu floor!!
Never ever dare extend your arms to a judoka!! He is always looking for your arms.
Like a spider, there's no chilling position. The mind always has to be ready before the body, IT will train the body to get ready on itself and can overcome its low instinctive behaviors that might be counter productive to the situation at hand. Mind ready, like water..
Do the Bas Rutten pose. Check his bouncer vids.
If someone is a threat to me and they are in striking range my hands are going up to guard my chin, this is not something just for sport. Anyone who doesn't put their hands up when in a fight is risking their life, a right punch is a lot more common than a weapon pull. If you get ko and your head falls onto concrete then that could easily be you dead right then and there, no other weapon needed.
The best defense, it’s attacking, why waste your energy trying to defending yourself
When you can used to attack, speed will define the winner.
The same speed will be used to get you an assault charge if you arent mindful about how you are going about it.
I want to see full contact sparring
That' s the problem of traditional stereotypes.....who teach stuff like that without intelligent....there is tradition, there is fighting competitio and street, different context, different intentions, different way to approach...
Positions got certain functions during fight, but to give yourself away by posing can never be any good.
110% true
Weapons aside Most street fights are won by the surprise sucker punch.
He is soooo right. Most martial arts instructors have never been in a real fight, at least not since elementary. I like this guy already. As a guy who has been in tons of fights even as an adult... i like to study martial arts not to stick to a classical form but learn a few moves here and there that can help me. But i wouldn't let my oponent on to what i know, or give them a signal to be prepared. Personally i usually hit first once someone aggressively enters my personal space. Why wait? Thats all the invitation i need.
😂
That students question about hands in the middle. I think there is some function to have your hands in the most efficient spot. Covering most valuable. About average distance from low and high blocks.