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The Psychology of Role Swapping in Overwatch
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
- Something you may have noticed in your games, whether it's your own gameplay or others is how differently the roles end up being played depending on the main role of the person playing them. I was curious about this and there's a LOT of psychology behind it, so why not take a dive?
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i luv ur commitment to making these overwatch videos.
would you ever expand to other games? like apex, or mobas like smite or marvel rivals (which will come out soon)?
@@TyBe-uo4ud I did! No one watched the first one and the second one did ok. I'm gonna be trying for 2 videos a week but balancing with 1 OW and 1 whatever the hell I feel because I don't wanna be locked into this game
i like this guys almost "college presentation" style. its unique and silly
My friend group don't play shooters at all and are all single player game enjoyers. Overwatch is what we play together so they were surprised that i kept swapping characters to help them when they only have a single character they can play and do well with
Had a love/hate relationship with this game since 2016. Just want to say your videos are very refreshing for a long time player. Thanks dude
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Absolutely insane gameplay. It would just be 3 tanks and 4 healers lol
6 Winston's one discord orb. Monkeys block out the sun, last thing you see
@@johnjone965 not if all the tanks had 5hp and all the healers had 7hp, think before you type,,, sheesh!!
The original Overwatch was already a bad game, and it never was a good game to begin with. The majority of people are just tired of Triple A devs being hacks, and Overwatch at least has style, which is enough for most bored gamers to enjoy.
Unfortunately for Blizzard, a bad game with a good paint job is still a bad game.
Let's talk core game design.
6v6 games with a roster of 20+ characters to choose from was stupid in MOBA gaming, and it's stupid here.
Team Size directly correlates to how important each team member is. If 1 player dies in a 2v2, that's half your team; in a 10v10, that's only a tenth. This importance puts extra pressure on players to perform optimally, which segways into the next part about team size:
Specialization Vs Generalization.
The ability to excel in many situations will always win out over specializing in a specific role, so long as the team sizes are small. When every player counts, you need to be able to quickly adapt to the situation, which is impossible if you've gimped yourself by picking a hyper-specific character.
(That's why everybody hated Hanzo, btw)
Meanwhile, larger team sizes afford enough of a buffer for players to specialize, which often makes teams even more effective when done properly.
Overwatch... completely and utterly fails to understand these concepts, and that incompetence bleeds into player frustration.
The fact that Overwatch had problems with [The Meta™] even before the reboot should've been a red flag. You could not play a casual game without forcing yourself to abide by what is optimal instead of fun, or you would be banned due to excessive reports.
This problem isn't even exclusive to Overwatch.
6v6 TF2 is straight up an inferior game for the exact same reasons, despite its classes being far more flexible. The only reason it's even remotely respected is because the base game is 12v12, so only competitive players have to deal with the flaws of 6v6.
One of the only games I've seen that get low team sizes right is CS:GO, and that's solely because nobody is tied to a specific class. Yes, the weapons can influence how you play the game, but you're not restricted to them in the slightest. It's just you, your team, and your enemy.
The other game I've seen pull this off well was the now defunct Magicka Wizard Wars. Every player had access to eight magical elements they could mix together for various effects and dueling with your magic was purely a test of skill, because you had access to the exact same tools as everyone else.
Everything regarding Blizzard's inability to "balance" the game, or their lies about PvE... it means nothing.
Overwatch itself was doomed to suck from the moment Blizzard chose 6v6, and they killed any hope for the game when they made it 5v5.
Overwatch SHOULD have been a massive 10v10 brawl at the smallest. It'd be a clusterf#ck, but it'd also force the Special Effects department to not just vomit neon colors everywhere and call it a job well done.
@@lukeaustin4465 bro... lol
off-topic but i genuinely think you're my new favorite youtuber!! your long form, collegiate presentation format content is suprisingly engaging for my tiktok-coded short attention span... also you're CRACKED at ana btw!!
@@Cupidador the ana part is a lie but thank you!
This was an amazing video! As a bit of a younger psych major it is very interesting to think about how our mindsets can affect the way we play in various roles. This actually was so informative it made me realize why I might suck as brig, because I always try and play her like a mini Reinhardt, and now I need to figure out a play style better suited for.
this is why i prefer open queue comp nowadays. because ive come to realize that role queue( im in bronze btw) is just terrible due to people not playing their roles efficiently, whether that be a tank who plays like they are the only person in the game, or a support who frotnlines like a tank, or a dps who doesnt know what to do. And this is pretty much ALWAYS the case (in my games anyways) and due to that i start to play my role differently because the team is just not working. So i really like open queue so that i can switch to any character and make up for lost value. And im at a much higher rank now in open queue. This video really put into perspective what all of this really boils down to. Totally cool!
Role choice is a lot like picking a fighting game character. You start with a character that looks cool to you, eventually you pick a character the mechanically fits you, then later you pick the meta cause psychologically you tell yourself that's how you win. Then you have ppl that pick whatever they want(or 1 tricks)and you have to play around them or play your own game in a team focused hero shooter, with the 5v5 format and stat/ability changes encouraging this playstyle.
As a fighting game player that is not at all how we play lol. The first two are correct, pick someone cool, get better then start testing other characters till you find one who fits your style, and when you get good with them you start trying out other characters to get good with all of them so you know how to counter them and what match up is good against others, or to learn other characters weaknesses so you can use your bread and butter character more efficiently.
@@nelsonjovan9460 So in other words I'm right ("not at all" ,then proceeds to say I'm right)but you wanted to show you know fighting a game term ( which I'm not sure your even using correctly since BnBs are just reliable combos)? Of course the last part only applies to OW, fighting games aren't designed for 5v5 team combat?
@gentlemankaiju1997 not at all correct you need to learn to read you said you eventually pick up the meta because psychologically you tell yourself that's how you win. What I said was we don't pick up the Meta we learn the entire cast to perfect our preferred characters and learn to counter others better. picking up the meta means to play characters that are high tier and have the highest win percentage because of how good they are and to not play them means your most likely going to lose but that's not what I said learning everyone is not playing the meta. Bread and butter does not just refer to the combos pal maybe learn the terminology, bread and butter is used to mean something you do/ use to be the best at obtaining your goals. So i.e. yes combos, but also a character your extremely proficient with, maybe a map you know very well, or a match up you know your very good against. Please don't try to sound intelligent when you can barely read or know what terms mean
@@gentlemankaiju1997 also some games do have team fight combat system, DragonBall fighterz, Naruto, skull girls, street fight 5 had a 5v5 mode, some of the older dragon ball games had a 4v4 mode. So yeah
@@nelsonjovan9460 My bad didn't realize you were the embassador of fighting games. You were still wrong btw but like a true fighting game player you got salty and couldn't take the L. LTG would be proud. Saying skullgirls and fighterz is a 5v5 is disingenuous when they're fighters that choose multiple characters, not designed for five individual pcs to face five others. Why not go for the easy example like smash bros?
I get it though, I hurt your feelings cause your the best at fighting games and only your opinion matters so i sowwy champ.
Very insightful! My brain was melting halfway through it but that’s just cuz it’s all mush up here
This is a good change of pace and was very interesting ! Great job Rory :)
Too many complicated words in the first 5 minutes... my brain is fried :)
Literally just commenting because your content is very well produced and I want CZcams to algorithm the hell out of you
This is why i liked open queue when it was the norm before GOATS. I have been a support main since season 3 of OW1 and when our team had more support mains I could cover the damage as mei or sombra and be the defensive tank like dva or orisa. I know role queue helped for balance overall but that level of fluidity and expression I miss so much 😢. Yes i know open queue exists atm but its not the same its just double or triple tanks most games with bap/kiri/moira
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gotta love how the second clip of footage i see is from when we were arguing about whether or not new queens street is a good map for mei
This Video is really inspiring and refreshing!
It also teaches some aspects of psychology with a great example I can connect with^^
WAIT SO I EXPLAINED IT WELL????? LETS GO I WAS SO WORRIED ABOUT GENERALISING TOO MUCH LMAO
this was really neet.
on another note; i personally wished the blizzard devs made more "niche" characters. like giving heroes hyper specific roles instead of general characters.
something like this however could only exist is all characters were niche.
Honestly to me compared to a lot of hero shooters and other mobas is they’re a lot more niche compared to how tf2 or even battlefront characters
Its a strange thing, people want their heros to be good on all scenarios, look at Sym, shes specialized in her role, but a lot of people hate her for it
Thing is that overwatch 2 was never built for 5 v 5 so at a certain point everyone is gonna have to play the same or they won't achieve results. You often hear people say that 6v6 allowed for me unique heros and that because the people who designed the heros made it for the gamemodr it was originally designed for
As a support player I loved sombra in the mirrorwatch game mode. Running around unseen while constantly buffing my teammates, disrupting the enemy and hacking health packs… like they should have put her in the support category for the mode. Maybe they could have given her team heck ability some healing overtime effect in addition to the shield buff.
Back on ow1 release, I got hooked on the game literally because of d.vas gameplay and mei (as a former pyro main), but after my friends came in, they all settled in their most confortable roles, so dps was taken, and one of the guys started playing d.va 24/7 and I couldnt keep up, so I started playing main tank, during about 2~4 years, that was the only thing that I touched in the game, but after so long, all my friends started to leave the game and a little while after the last one left, I decided that I was tired of playing tank on that asasine game and went support... in less than 2 weeks, I got an higher rank than my tank playing ana/bap and stayed there as long as I played ow as my primary game, that was absolutely wild to me, like, ffs, I dedicated years of my life playing tank, to now discover that I am a freak at supp? Then I started to notice why... I was so used to viewing the game while playing tank and how a tank should play, that as a supp, I was (trying to) doing everything I aways wanted my supp to do while playing tank. Being frustrated with my teamates on my main role, made me great on a role I had like 3 hours on before that lol
Support main here, when i swap to dps i play very team based. I play mobile characters and will come back from a dive to save a support. When im on tank, i mostly play self and expect my team to work with me. If they work with me, they get the shields and everything else they want.
Mystery Heroes is legit my favorite game mode because I love experimenting with all the Heroes. I mostly do Tank or Support but jumping randomly between different characters is just so much fun.
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That "supports may lean towards more protective tanks" read felt like a personal callout to me who's favorite tank back in Ovw 1 was Orisa
I dont switch so i can counter the enemy. I switch cause evertime i die im dissappointed in my skill so i chose a differen hero i could maybe rock
11:09 I think that's common, way more for new players, back in OW1 I had little fps experience and I picked Ashe, Orisa and Moira because I liked how they looked and their personality, back then orisa was the sweetest for example.
As time went on and I eventually found my playstyle, today I main Sig on tank, Sombra/Symm/Pharah/Venture on dps, and Moira/Mercy/Ana as supports. You can for sure see the pattern on my playstyle based on the characters I enjoy playing now.
Honestly, tank and support or tank and DPS hybrids feel like better tanks than the actual tanks, lol
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1:00 nice nade
Overwatch2 players got to be Clinical insane
idk i think its kinda wrong for me
i kinda just look at each character and see how does this character work not what should i do and i try and play the way theywork
playing sojurn like a genji would be really bad after all
You’re missing the point! It’s about off ROLES. Playing a sojourn like a Genji would be wrong, because they’re different characters. But playing baptiste, lucio, hog or zarya like a DPS is a pretty common playstyle
@@kujikawathemeekmage3640 im saying roles aren't as important as just switching in general
If OW was a class I would be failing
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I don't think it's that complicated dude. People swap roles, so they don't wait 10 minutes for a match.
You have que times to wait? Wow that's crazy, i have insta queue in open queue because role queue is ass
@@M3G4TR0N-o5zwhenever I play open queue people complain about when I tank stack like that’s not the only point of the gamemode
Replace open queue with 6v6 as a side mode gg ez 😂
@@kujikawathemeekmage3640dude it’s so crazy when people complain about tank stacking in open queue, like bro wtf I thought that’s what we were here for, think outside the meta.
@@user-lf7dp8pf9n thats what i mean i always get so confused like its the alternative gamemode that was made for the SOLE PURPOSE of allowing multiple tanks
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My ass can't aim, so I play Junkrat (my beloved), Rein, Sigma and Ana, I don't know how but Ana is the only character I manage to have a non abhorrent aim with
2:06 Oh shit, that me
Although, that's only as DPS for me. I think I just don't know how to play DPS, because I play Support differently than I play Tank. I have to make a lot more conscious decisions as Support though, because I have to fight the urge to be in the front line defending my team lol
Lowkey though, I have sort of noticed that I tend to play into whatever the Tank is doing a lot, because I generally know what they'd want. I have to play basically every Tank, or at least know what they do, so it helps me figure out when they'd want something, who I'd want to have on my team as that character, or even when to use certain abilities like pulling back a Brawl or Dive Tank that got a little too in over their head.
For the last point, a lot of the Tanks I play with notice that I'll pull them out of bad situations as Lifeweaver, and end up playing more aggressive because of it, for better or worse. My pulls for Brawl and Dive Tanks are generally okay, but I still have times were I end up screwing the Tank out of a play. Just need to learn more lol
One more thing is that I'm not in Masters+, so it's expected that everyone is going to be making some mistakes. Having the comfort from feeling like someone's got your back in case things go poorly helps a lot of less experienced Tanks play better (Mainly because they're not always questioning themselves and being too nervous to take space). It feels like sort of a safety net, and it's nice for me to help people have fun with it.
Also Tank is miserable 90% of the time, so I don't really feel like shitting on the Tank is going to really help anyone lol. They put up with enough as is
I love your videos + early
Very funny immediatley after showing a clip of getting a 2k as ana while ignoring the winston at critical health who dies "im a team based player" not hating I just think it was unfortunate timing in the editing.
"when im not fucking around in qp"
if they add back 1 tank theyll save the game
This is the reason my heart sinks and I panic whenever the tank says “I don’t usually play tank” and the fact that dps players play tanks like idiots beyond true 😂 yes I’m a support main who always peels and looks back at my supports whenever I’m playin tank
I would quote sniperssmurf29 if you want me to stop one tricking and start countering, that unfortunately breaks guidelines. I will play Winston and no other roles or heros
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talking about overwatch roles like its gender performativity is so funny to me but it's alright
As a flex player this video doesn't apply to me but still an interesting video topic
Love the vid day 9
Tank sucks. That's the reason
I really want to subscribe to this guy cause i enjoy his content but im scared he might be a terrible person like blame the controller who went from a cool overwatch creator to a racist homophobic hater 😔😔
...I don't know if a simple "I'm not a bigoted arsehole" can prove it but I'm not LMAO. You have my full permission to force me to walk 27 miles over broken lego if I ever start on that shit
@@PixelRory that’s enough for me , subscribed !
someone who plays overwatch certainly shouldn’t be taking about psychology. pls bro you’re giving yourself too much credit.
Now I know who PixelRoxy is in the game, so every time I see him I will report him even if he uses Streamer mode. I know how to find players in the game very fast ♥♥♥ Good luck :)