Lupe Pure Cordless Vacuum Cleaner Review - How does it compare with a modern Dyson cordless?
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- čas přidán 31. 12. 2020
- Review of the Lupe Pure Cordless vacuum cleaner. This was not gifted for free by the company for a favourable review. Erratum: @ 11:31 It is possible to remove the shroud without tools (not clear enough in the manual). This is still a step backwards, as the best designs self-clean. Secondly, it's also possible to turn off the brush bar on hard floors, thereby reducing the incredible noise it creates (although some suggest particles fall out after turning off if you do this).
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When you look at this product objectively, see its weaknesses and compromises, and then compare that to some of the reviews on other channels, you can see how it's possible to be misled. Rarely do you get an overarching assessment. Almost all of the performance testing seen in other reviews is unrepresentative of what you'd experience. Some tests use overly high concentrations of dirt on hard floors that you'd never encounter, or sucking up gigantic, oversized particles of cereal etc that vacuum cleaners aren't designed for, or artificially inject sand into a carpet, which is not the same as household fine dust that causes allergies. Then they draw conclusions that don't apply to normal, everyday, realistic use. This is misleading, so look out for it.
Other things I don't like to see is 'first look videos' where they 'advertise' the product they clearly got for free, but then say nothing relevant about it, promise more in the future, but deliver nothing. That is a form of deceit because it promotes unduly. I've always felt it's best to do a proper job, be honest, or don't do it at all. Being gifted free products is also dodgy because people only give a half-truth and you only get the positive spin, whilst the warts are swept under the rug. It's never good to be bought out like that.
One thing I didn't mention in this video is the small print on Lupe's website. To return it, you have to send it back yourself, making sure it's insured for the full value (which is expensive). After they've assessed it for damage, they may then issue you your refund. Stories in comments below about people losing out on hundreds of pounds when their machine 'didn't arrive back' etc. Better companies out there make the returns process much easier and less risky. I like the idea of a startup coming to market, but this is not very customer friendly, and the product itself does not seem to match the bold claims they make, which I find very repulsive and misleading. If this product had really shone, I would have been all over it and duly glorified it. Unfortunately, it did not perform anything like the V11 benchmark and was objectively less convenient to use. It lacks the technology and design.
What's truly concerning is why you have nothing nice to say about the Lupe. You're bashing it from your first comments in the video. You appear to be very Dyson bias especially when you say to not be fooled by marketing. I suspect you're aware Dyson is all marketing.
@@claykin1
>>”What's truly concerning is why you have nothing nice to say about the Lupe.”
You might want to watch the video; this is a false statement seemingly rooted in ignorance. The positives are discussed (such as its excellent hard floor cleaning of fine dust). This is a relative review as well, and the relative positives are few and far between.
>>“You're bashing it from your first comments in the video.”
No, once again that’s false. The start of the video simply outlines the lofty claims they make and then attempts to find evidence to support them, which speaks for itself. Interesting that you interpreted it as a ‘bash’ though, which is revealing.
>> “You appear to be very Dyson bias”
You haven’t really supported this wild accusation. If you’re suggesting that simply stating facts which clearly show the Dyson product that’s being compared against to be superior to the other product is bias, then that’s faulty logic.
>> “suspect you're aware Dyson is all marketing”
Well, again you didn’t seem to provide any evidence for this wild claim. And it’s not surprising, because the evidence that is available (in the video you seemingly didn’t watch), it clearly shows the claims made by Dyson about its cleaning performance are true, and the claims made about the Lupe are false. So, Dyson is not all marketing; unlike the Lupe.
And now for the stuff you deleted for some unknown reason:
>> “I own a Lupe and the many design problems you point out are fabricated and embellished in an attempt to promote your channel and Dyson vacs.”
Well, you didn’t actually explain anything there to defend your position. I think my criticisms were well-evidenced in the video and people can make their own minds up.
>> “if you took time to discuss Dyson's problems along side the product you're bashing, maybe you'd be slightly believable.”
Er, this isn’t a Dyson V11 review; I'm comparing the Lupe to the V11 (regarded as currently the best on the market). Criticisms of the V11 were made in its review, few as they were. You really should do a bit more learning before making accusations that are false, because it doesn’t make you look respectable.
@@VacuumFacts Bought the Lupe. Very disappointing even on hard floor (tile and wood) unless on high power. I also found it pushed a lot of debris to the wall and didnt pick it up. I don't have carpets. Also head is 7.5cm high so too tall to get under a lot of furniture. Honestly underwhelmed. Low power is anaemic and unusable. mid is barely ok but makes quick tasks take longer. I feel duped. Crevice tool needs to have brush removed to work and is too short.
@@chrisah1 What made you buy it in the first place, out of interest?
@@VacuumFacts many positive reviews online and "usable suction test" and I paid £200 less than a V11 absolute. After I noted my negative experience on another review, someone replied and directed me to your channel. videos had not previously appeared in search or suggestions when searching for this model.
Wow! Wish I'd have found your channel ages ago! I was very intrigued by the Lupe and came close to getting one because of their "useful suction" test they showed. But I read reviews on Amazon and many were unfavorable so I opted not to spend that much money on one. Your video really backs up my decision. Thanks for making me feel glad I didn't get one!!
Wouldn't trust subjective reviews from any website; a lot of people criticising in the same sounding way doesn't mean they're right. Nevertheless, as mentioned in another reply, 'useful suction' is a poorly defined parameter that's not representative of anything meaningful. It was later popularised by Vacuum Wars, which I find a very lousy channel because of poorly thought out, unrepresentative testing taht offers no actually reliable objective comparative data, no matter how well the content is dressed up. The ONLY parameter worth a damn is the very parameter these channels and other manufacturers never show you (for good reason)-namely the ACTUAL cleaning performance measured according to universally accepted formal, industry standard testing (with independent verification). Such tests are independently confirmed to show the Dyson products perform the best, whether people like it or not. And it's hardly a surprise, because Dyson actually design specifically to be the best and test to check. It's also why they can charge the earth for their products. Then there is usability and environmental impact to consider with a product (which includes running costs). My reviews cover the details. czcams.com/play/PLBxUOcW7kaEtK3qcKCMEaLKTrP8Ehu8sz.html
Very impressed with your channel and the exhaustive research you do for it and information you provide, its real public service thank you.
Thanks. Interesting contrast. There are many out there who, upon hearing the 'exhaustive research and information' provided, get offended if it contradicts their wonky worldview, and start spouting abuse on here.
@@VacuumFacts I like to and try to always keep an open mind and be cognisant of the fact that I’m not an expert on everything.
I went out and bought 2 of these one for my daughter and one for me after watching a youtube video and I couldn't be any happier with my purchase
Just to say thank you for analysing these products vigorously and questioning biased and misleading marketing material. Practical and daily usage points are pointed out. Your approach to reviewing is refreshing, especially with all the half-baked 'vested interest' reviews out there. Reminds me of the old CZcams. I've seen comments levelling allegations of Dyson fandom against you, which are utterly misguided. So keep on doing you, my hoover friend. I'll be buying the hoover with superior engineering; the Dyson. Much love
Yes, I remember the old YT too...before it was commerialised for profit
This is one of the best reviews I've ever seen. I watched Vacuum Wars video and it didn't discuss any of the really useful things you mention and your testing is so much more thorough. He liked the lupe but you showed it for what it really is. thanks
Thanks. Yeah, a lot of poor review sites and iffy channels out there that mislead people-either deliberately or because they don't seem to have a clue. Glad it helped.
This is really helpful and covers a lot of things I'd been wondering about the Lupe but other reviews I've seen have ignored. For instance, I had a suspicion this vacuum was loud and unpleasant sounding from how it sounded in other reviews but no one seemed to mention it. Also, a lot of reviewers seem to be excited to see a design that moves away from the stick configuration, but don't go into details about the downsides like not being able to maneuver under smaller spaces. Also, the Lupe's bin emptying situation--no thank you. Lupe seems to me like just another direct-to-consumer company that is in tune with what it thinks a niche of consumers value (in this case built to last instead of planned obsolescence). Yes, this marketing appeals to me, but I'm glad I found your review before giving them my money!
Hi, how did you find my review out of interest? I'd love to know.
Most people that do YT 'reviews' are bought-out and gifted what they're reviewing as a freebie for favourable promotion, incentivised further by the YT advertising money, and aren't particularly good or care about things from the viewers' point of view. Most aren't even aware of things about the product they're reviewing to even know to talk about it, or are just completely oblivious to the obvious, like your noise example. Or they're just corrupt and keep the warts covered. So they end up producing terribly misleading content. Always call them out so people know.
Some of the worst out there seem to like the old fashioned 'upright' design, but don't really explain why in a way that holds water and makes any sense, and so peddle that formfactor's non-existent virtues in completely misleading fashion that ignores all the drawbacks. The Lupe, despite best intentions, ended up as a product which, as far as I could measure, that was as comparably mediocre as every single other knockoff Dyson copycat clone product-often made by manufacturers that just seem to try to jump on the bangwagon for profit at the expense of the customer. I might sound like some Dyson product fan boy, despite having no allegiance to the company, but I know of no other product which works as well, has the advanced tech in it, and that sets out to solve genuine problems and make real improvements, rather than just peddle gimmicks or sloppily clone Dyson's good ideas poorly at the consumers' expense (as discussed here czcams.com/video/U_qS2i6HQRY/video.html ).
@@VacuumFacts I'm looking to buy a new vacuum and thought I'd do a bit of research this time. I've owned so many cheap and mid-priced vacuums of various types that have all been junk. (And my current one is so bad I sometimes resort to using a broom!) I watched a few reviews of cordless stick vacuums on another channel and they reviewed something called the Loop. I searched for more reviews of it since it was definitely a paid-promo on the other channel, but I was still intrigued. I then found your review by using the search bar. Thanks again for taking the time to make such a thoughtful review!
@@KaylaLahti Yes I was in that position once. There were so many channels peddling obvious nonsense and falsehoods that it almost duped me into a bad purchase, wasting my money. It was for that reason that I had to make this channel, just to help others. The best machine on the market at the moment (performance, convenience), as far as I can assess, is the Dyson V11, which I've reviewed this here czcams.com/video/Wk-1d8T0mmY/video.html and here after 1-year czcams.com/video/sNSr60Vuw0I/video.html . But they're extremely expensive, and many people might not want to spend that much on a premium piece of technology. (Possibly a 'V12' coming out in March, so might want to hold off if you're thinking about getting one). But the cordless stick vac formfactor that Dyson pioneered has changed the way I deal with the chore of vacuuming and made it so much easier. I'd never go back to plug-in now. Otherwise, their 'ball animal 2' mains upright has the best cleaning performance on the market and is cheaper (£200-£300, but the old upright formfactor is much less easy to use, even though that product is generally better than the competition. www.dyson.co.uk/vacuum-cleaners/uprights I reviewed it here, czcams.com/video/YnJ6OqVC_wg/video.html and the similar Light Ball model here czcams.com/video/H8s9eBXeN4E/video.html and after 6 months here czcams.com/video/mLIqvsGLovU/video.html
I have a few issues with this: you present it as a disadvantage that you have to stand on the floor head to engage it, but I would argue that its ability to stand up on its own is a major advantage over the Dyson, which requires a wall to lean on when not in use. I'm also sceptical about your complaints about the cyclonic system- as long as the filters are good quality, the small amount of dust on them after your test is not a bad result and it should maintain its performance for quite a long time- there is an impressive demonstration on the Lupe youtube channel which shows it maintaining its performance while sucking up a huge amount of fine dust. That said, you make some revealing comments and I think this is a pretty fair review. Lupe has some way to go. Also, I think it's unfair to call channels that receive a free product as 'the worst'- as long as they are transparent about it, plus I have seen Ibaisaic (the Vacuum CZcamsr I follow most closely) make VERY negative reviews of vacuums that were given to him free. The best reviewers will not let it bias their conclusions.
>> “you present it as a disadvantage that you have to stand on the floor head to engage it, but I would argue that its ability to stand up on its own is a major advantage over the Dyson, which requires a wall to lean on when not in use.”
I don't think I've ever encountered a home without a wall to prop up against, so I don't accept that the requirement for one is somehow a hindrance. But you don't NEED a wall. You can just put it down or detach the wand from the main unit and rest on the floor in a single action. A common reason to even need to do this is in the first place is to pick something up off the floor anyway, so no loss there bending down. Preparing the floor beforehand and basic forward thinking is a much better approach altogether that solves this minor non-issue at the source. The ability to just 'let go' and everything is OK is much less of an advantage lost than everything else the cordless stick vac formfactor brings over the old-fashioned and cumbersome upright design of the past-such disadvantages are clearly illustrated in this review.
>> “I'm also sceptical about your complaints about the cyclonic system”
It wasn’t a ‘test’, as such, that revealed all the dust that escaped their cyclones; it was just one single normal use. The whole point of cyclonic filtration is to minimise the reliance on a filter. The less reliant, the less clogging and less rinsing it needs, as shown here czcams.com/video/T3prXR-aeOg/video.html . As mentioned in the video, Lupe’s cyclones are better than nothing, but they perform inferiorly. And as for the video you reference, it was NOT fine dust they sucked up, it was what appeared to be relatively large particle sand-like material that any crappy cyclonic filtration system can remove. ‘Fine dust’ is dust which conforms to industry standards and constitutes the particle size distribution representative of natural household dust, which is well-defined and can become airborne. That dust is harder to filter out cyclonically, clogs filters, and is abundant in the home-thereby benefitting from superior cyclonic filtration that Dyson have patented so others can’t steal it and are left with a poor kludge. Don't be misled by Lupe's videos.
>> “I think it's unfair to call channels that receive a free product as 'the worst'- as long as they are transparent about it”
You’ve misunderstood. I’m not saying, as you’ve implied, that if a channel receives a free product, they automatically therefore constitute the worst. I’m saying some of the worst of the channels out there (as measured by their misleading output) HAVE received one for free. Important distinction. However, even if they declare it’s a freebie, there is good reason to suspect they are compelled (either by directive or psychologically) to say nice things about it and sweep the warts under the rug. In fact, to this day, despite showing a receipt, I'm still accused of working for the company of the product I’ve reviewed for reasons none other than I’ve been mostly positive about it (because there was little negative to say). Logic that absurd. Have you not noticed how many of the genuine weaknesses and problems I expose here are not mentioned on a single ‘paid-for’ review? Why might that be (other than those reviewing it are so incapable and inadequate as reviewers that they don’t even notice obvious failings). Many reviews are extremely poor and do very sloppy, unrepresentative, misleading testing that can lead to conclusions on matters of fact that are false.
Finally, don’t forget that this video was a ‘relative review’. I compare against what I am able to determine is the best and rank relatively. The Lupe isn’t a ‘bad’ product; it’s just substantially inferior compared to the genuinely best out there (that are, in fact, cheaper). No brainer.
Great to see a new company come to the market with there take on a Cordless machine! I’ve been following Lupe from the beginning with interest.
Having watched this review again and several others on the Lupe Pure Cordless and the Dyson V11 Cordless along with reading many reviews from owners of both machines there a few points I’ve picked up on! I’ve not actually tried either machines as yet myself!
1: Stick form v stand up form..
One point I see crop up a lot is I can’t stand up the Dyson it falls over, be good for it to stand up on its own! I can see why the Lupe design is appealing! I personally don’t think the design and purpose of the stick form is still fully understood by some...ask yourself why other manufacturers follow with the same design!? The whole idea of it to me is grab and go!
I get the design of the Lupe and what they are trying to achieve with it and great to see something different on the market! But isn’t the whole cordless idea to make cleaning easier and quicker!
2: Floor head design..
Whats interesting is I’ve never understood the need for these dual roller heads! Especially as they are designed to be used on hardfloors and carpets! The front soft roller on carpet surely is counter acting what the brush bar at the back is trying to do which is groom and lift the carpet pile! Whereas the roller surely is flatting it!? Just my perception of the design! This adds extra maintenance for the user too! Large debris can be picked up using the tools initially then use the main head for the rest. A good floor head design doesn’t really need dual rollers!
One thing with the Lupe is the head is quite bulky on the top which from what I can see limits the places it can get under like low profile furniture, beds and tight corners with ease.
3: Battery charge..
I understand the idea of a removal battery to charge as not everyone likes a docking bracket on a wall or may not have room for one either. Again that’s sometimes comes down to personal preference really by the owner/user. Docking station does make for tidier, easier and quicker way to charge without you having to think about it.
Just a few points as I said I’ve picked up on amongst others by standing back and actually looking at both products in depth from video and written reviews and the company’s websites etc...too. Makes you really think and start to question more about products around you and what to look for before you buy!
Dyson's stick vacs don't 'fall over' unless you don't stand it up against a wall sensibly using the rubber strip temporarily, or failed to put it away in its charger after use so it's just waiting for a wholly avoidable accident. I've never once had mine fall over and never once felt it was too difficult to prop up against a wall to move something like a chair. Alternatively, you can just take the stick part off the machine or just put it on the floor if you need to; it takes all of 2 seconds. There are stands available if people don't like wall-mounting for some reason (unlike everything else mounted to their walls...).
@Vacuum facts exactly!
Great video my dyson v11 is coming in tomorrow and I’m so glad I went for the dyson above anything else the only thing that’s slightly worrying about dyson is the trigger I wish it was a press to stay on then press to turn off just for my mother cos she struggles holding the trigger cos her hands are weaker but we’ll have to see
Press to stay on is battery-wasteful. There's also no need to 'hold' the trigger; It's feather touch and requires no force; just holding the machine by the handle activates it no matter how weak your hand might be. Much of this was discussed in detail if you want ot learn more in my V11/15 reviews.
@@VacuumFacts for me I would automatically press on and off anyways cos it’s a trigger
Bought the Lupe and am sending it back. I agree with most of what you state, I'd like to add the soft smooth front roller and no side vents make the Lupe suck to the ground making it very difficult to push even on low. I was disappointed to say the least.
I found the suction was relatively weak and it struggled to suck to anything, even hard floor. But it was the carpet cleaning performance which was relatively poor which killed it for me, and that conflicted strongly with their marketing claims. Not a single other reviewer was able to demonstrate its weaknesses.
Finally somebody that did decibel rating.
...and proper performance testing, and gave a full-truth review, and wasn't bribed... :)
Hmm big Dyson fan I see.
Hmm, someone who doesn't like the facts presented and makes erroneous assumptions using faulty logic. The V11 is considered the best on the market. As far as I can quantify, that's a true claim. So everything else is measured relative to it, because we know it can be done. The Lupe was thus compared relatively and its shortcomings were observed. They were contrasted with the bold claims made so people can make their onw minds up about teh trustworthyness and honesty of the manufacturer; did they provide the FULL truth, or just a half-truth, which is worse than a lie. You had reservations but didn't even bother to discuss or evidence any of them. It's like you watched it, saw some facts, they conflicted with what you wanted to be true, became disgruntled, and then decided to have a go instead of fact-checking and thinking. That says it all.
@@VacuumFacts No I'm not having a go I actually appreciate the amount of work you put in the only thing by the sounds of it your claiming every other reviewer is dishonest apart from you and yes some parts what you say dont work they work fine for me but it's a bit unfair calling everyone else dishonest
@@googlefriend7685 I've never said *everyone* else is dishonest. But there are some who are deliberately deceitful, and some that are just so ignorant of facts that they end up spouting the same nonsense and misleading people. So I'm all about protecting people from those types... Oh, and if you do a review after being gifted a product, that's a bribe review, and I've never seen one which gives the full truth and doesn't spin just positively to sell a half-truth.
yep
@@VacuumFacts I think part of it is that I haven't heard a single positive comment from you about a non-Dyson vacuum that isn't followed immediately by "but the Dyson does this better." Well yeah, we get it, Dysons are excellently designed and factually backed, but it's a bit tiresome to watch and comes off as somewhat conceited. I'd be curious to hear a list of features from other marques that you do enjoy, or at the very least certain shortcomings you wish Dyson would fix.
Being an owner of the v11 torque, shark vertex cordless .shark ionflex, and the lupe, I can confirm that the lupe is the worst performer and cant get under almost all of my furniture due to a poor head/hose design. I was suckered into the lupe by watching vaccum wars video and am glad to have found your channel.
Sorry to hear you feel that way. Yes, there are some misleading sources out there. They're often the ones that are deeply hostile to my channel and spout hypocritical propaganda and smears without evidence e.g. www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREADM.cgi?38196 . Best advice is to look around and separate the wheat from the chaff. Hope a few of the facts on my channel can help in some way.
1 decibel higher mean twice the noise/ loudness of the previous level, comparing 76 to 84 is at least 8times louder. Or should be 1*2^8 times higher ( note that the decibel formula uses log which 1 should barely existed, using 1 is only to simply the opposite understanding processes )
You are incorrect. I suggest reading a book on the subject or listening to my videos which explain all you need to know in context of the content.
I've been waiting for this!
The only thing that will beat the Dyson V11 will be the Dyson V12.
I suspect that's true as well, alas. Dyson really do have an effective monopoly on relatively superior technology-by design of course, given it's their philosophy, and the only business philosophy I've time for.
I have switched to a Roomba i7+ mostly for convenience than it's deep cleaning. I still have my V10 though.
I also switched to a Roborock S4 alongside my V10. It's made my life so much easier.
Thanks for reviewing the lupe vacuum cleaner!
At least they didn't even try to copy dyson's design like the many chinese copycats out there! Dyson has definitely the best cyclonic separation system and very powerfull motor technology combined with all other parts to an amazing cordless vacuum cleaner!
I really appreciate any company researching and developing their own vacuuming concept and technology. that stimulates the free market and competition.
IMHO the lupe looks very strange and even if the price would be around 300€ I wouldn't consider buying it.
I mean, look; in fairness, it's not a BAD product. It's just not anything near what they were claiming. I found that so repellently misleading that I slated it in review. If you're not honest, you don't deserve praise or attention. It's simply not as good as the best out there, on objective grounds, and I'm, personally, only interested in the best technology and implementation of it.
@@VacuumFacts I totally agree! Unfortunately marketing always tells us its the best you can get. No matter which product, they all use Marketing and lies to get the product buyed by the customer. It would be nice if all companies tell the truth but this will not happen.
@@Markus2801A No, presenting half-truths in a manner that self-favours is one thing, but the disgusting liars end up like this czcams.com/video/pVheYuzIk3I/video.html
You mention metal shroud cleaning at 11mins 30sec in your video where you use a torx screwdriver to dismantle/clean it.... you do know you can just pinch and twist the whole plastic shroud/filter assembly off right?... It's in the manual. There's a nice review from "Cordless Vacuum Guide" which shows this in action if that makes it easier.
Yeah. Someone pointed it out and I updated the description to fairly point that out. It was not obvious at all, not even in the manual. Better designs use red plastic and buttons to denote actionables. Still, stupid design because you have to clean it manually anyway.
Wow, thanks for opening my eyes!
What are your thoughts on other Dyson products?
I want a air purifier but I heard the Dyson one is not that good compared to the Winix 5500-2
Don't really care for or know much about their other products because I don't use them. I'm sure they're best in class and all the naysaying is riddled with the same falsehoods found in the vacuum criticisms when fact-checked by smart people. Because of their design goal to be the best on the market, Dyson are likely a safe bet brand at the very least.
@@VacuumFacts you stare that you don't know much about their other products, but then say that you're sure they would be best in class? Seems a bit contradictory don't you think? How could you be sure of something you don't know anything about?
@@UndieingLust o_0 I suggest you re-read my comment, as it contains the answer. In case you're incapable, as evidenced by you suggesting I'm contradictory, I'll help you out of your struggle by copy-pasting the key part you, somehow, overlooked in your desperate desire to pick holes. "Because of their design goal to be the best on the market, Dyson are likely a safe bet brand at the very least."
@@UndieingLust that is called belief. This is what happen when you trust and or believe a company.
I have a winix HR900 and it works great! Dyson as a brand is overrated. Might be good with their high end vacuums but that’s it
I see my deductive reasoning was correct :) overall a very good video. You seem to give credit where it's due recently, which I appreciate and your tests are the most real world I've seen and actually have data. I also think the change you made to the graph showing the accumulation of the injected dust is a great improvement and is more intuitive.
I actually have some information regarding the Lupe you may find interesting. I contacted them through the live chat on their website to enquire about the lack of motorised tool and whether one will be released. I wasn't sure if it would even be possible, as the hose doesn't have power at the end. My queries were actually forwarded to one of the ex-dyson employees, who confirmed my suspicion. However he mentioned that they're possibly going to make a motorised attachment, but get this - with its own battery. So it will be heavier, another device to charge without a docking station, more batteries unnecessarily manufactured and will likely have a short runtime.
He did try to reassure me that the straight suction of passive hose attachment is already more than enough to clean carpeted stairs. Maybe the surface dirt, but I can't imagine it removing deep dirt without agitating the carpet with a brush.
I read the other comments left on this video and saw that someone returned the Lupe within the no quibble returns period, but it was lost by the courier and was uninsured, leaving them with a nasty £500 bill. This was something I was aware of from their website and mentioned it when he advised that I should take advantage of this to try the vacuum cleaner for myself. I explained my concern about the delivery charge and insurance and they said "We can arrange a return delivery in your case as a one-off if you wanted to try it. We already have insurance and the cost is notional." I thought, like you mentioned in another comment, that the lack of free returns was due to them being a smaller company, but given his comment that the cost is basically none existant for them, it would appear that is to encourage the dissatisfied customer to keep the product to avoid the large return costs. This is not what I expected, based on the impression I had from the company, and rubs salt in the commenter (and likely others) lumbered with the £500+delivery costs.
I need to make further changes to the way the data is presented in future actually to deal with a misunderstanding I've noted from others, making it even more intuitive.
Yes, that battery solution seems a bit inelegant-so consistent with the current design, then. And no, the stairs tool is a poor man's job. Their product is light years behind the market leaders, which is fine...unless you market claims like "best performing vacuum" etc. In which case, you better be ready to defend that with independent evidence.
I suspected that was true about their returns policy. Bit shady, but alas, common practice. Good to know and let others know too. Dyson customer service does it right; no fuss, even if people do take advantage. Not that the rabid vacuum enthusiasts ever mention this. Good comment.
@@VacuumFacts as mentioned in a previous comment, I ordered the V11 and it's meant to arrive on Sunday; however I am considering cancelling my order after speaking with them. He mentioned that the new Dyson flagship cordless is coming out this spring. Being an ex-Dyson employee, likely still with connections, I'm going to assume this information is accurate. Be interesting to see what they come up with next, and if nothing else, will lower the price of the already impressive V11.
Do you have a discord group? If not, would you consider creating one? That seems like a better way to interact and discuss things then purely CZcams comments.
@@Rhiunlol I'm glad to hear that Dyson is launching a new cordless!
@@Rhiunlol I think the V12 (or whatever it is) might be out this spring too, purely based on pattern. I hope it employs new battery technology, but we'll see. Amazing just how far ahead they are relative to the competition who failed to aspire.
If you can convince me in the next comment only, what unique advantages another chat platform will bring that aren't achievable on YT comments, then I'll consider it. But the bar is high, so good luck.
@@VacuumFacts you say you want them to implement new battery technology (which I agree with) but if we're being honest, is it really necessary at this point? The battery is able to do a normal clean of an entire house on Auto mode from what I've seen on other videos and will apparently retain 80% of its original capacity after 15 years of normal use. I would like to see is better storage of the accessories and a hose attachment which is compatible with the motorised tool for cleaning the car.
I don't know your desires with this channel, but I will give some points I believe makes the discord channel a worthy addition to the CZcams comments:
1. Greater sense of community. A discord channel is much more likely to get interaction between the audience members, not just you, as it is a conversation, rather than a series of individual posts.
2. Information. You can have different channels for different topics: such as new products, discuss videos both good or bad, Q&A (for the audience and you, if you need information), video ideas etc
3. Another platform to promote your videos, making sure your audience see them
4. You can run the videos by the group first to possibly prevent errors, misinformation or just advice
5. With a community, people may even lend you products they own to review eventually, saving you money
Obviously the decision is ultimately yours, but I personally would join and I think others would too.
This is so sad, I really liked Lupe's "repair it yourself affordably" business model :(
Except that's a bit of a deception. You're still reliant on them for the machined parts...just like any product. I think you might be referring to the 'upgradability'. Except I'm not aware of any upgrades ever released and people seem not to notice that this means you're stuck with a fundamental design-the flaws of which are highlighted in the review.
I've watched your video carefully and have read the comments - and I think many of the points made in your video are fair, but also so are many of your comments. The opening of your video does, I'm afraid, come across as a bit of a hit piece especially your quip about why the founders are ex-Dyson engineers, the clear implication that they were fired or just not good enough to keep working for Dyson. I think that's a really unfortunate and unnecessary comment that, especially made near the beginning of your video, comes across as if you're just out to get them. Which, watching the rest of your video where you're much more balanced, I don't think is the case.
>> "especially your quip about why the founders are ex-Dyson engineers, the clear implication that they were fired or just not good enough to keep working for Dyson"
I disagree. It is a valid question because the term "ex-Dyson employees" is explicitly used in marketing, so fair game to discuss. They deliberately associate with a great company to bolster their reputation. The headlines pointing this out in other articles were clearly presented in this video. How a given person reacts to a comment, that simply poins this out and highlights the other side of the coin they advertise, reveals more about them than me. The factual elements of this video are far more important and those that focus on them are far more worthy of respect. Very few that take issue with my videos ever do however, from what I observe.
@@VacuumFacts I agree that it's fair game to discuss, but your wording absolutely carried a negative insinuation. What I find most revealing about you, though, is how badly you take criticism even when when it's constructive - and how, in the same sentence as denying an insinuation, you engage in further insinuation. Since you keep talking about "facts", it's a fact that your channel has gained little traction after a decade and a half despite a lot of output. You would do well to reflect on why this is despite what has clearly been a lot of effort and despite your work actually being rather excellent. Since, though, I'm sure you'll blame the algorithm and/or your viewers I'll be clear: your tone grates. Which is a real shame, as you've otherwise given me some food for thought.
@@feanor5037 I genuinely don't know why they are ex-employees, but it's worth thinking about. That's the only point I made. How people choose to interpret things not explicitly stated reveals more about them. I've little time for those that stop at cosmetics and are unable to reach substance.
@@VacuumFacts If you think insinuation isn't a thing and aren't interested in how your comments might come across as insinuation then you don't understand language, and that reveals more about you and why your channel is still floundering after a decade and a half than anyone commenting on here. I've little time for such channels and clearly neither do many others.
@@feanor5037 o_0 um ok... also, show me the evidence to support your claim that the "channel is still floundering after a decade and a half"
Dyson v11 or the shark vortex?
I am looking for a very good deep clean carpet cleaner because I will pick up the bigger particles like cereal sized items with the tubes it comes with. The vertex I heard is the best for anti hair tangle technology and roller for big particle pieces.
I've seen no good evidence that the Shark cleaner has the best anti-tangle performance. I have seen the Shark getting packed with fluff in the grooves etc. There are lots of really stupid, misleading, and unrepresentative tests too you've got to watch out for, where people suck up too much hair in one go and clog it, and don't show any statistical reproducibility. The only tool I've seen that genuinely works is Dyson's tangle-free tool, but that was only an attachment rather than a main floor tool. Hair wrap is likely unavoidable, but it being minimised and easy to remove is probably a more important feature. Many claim the V11 hardly tangles in many cases (my experience too in fact) and is easy to detangle if it does. Shark are also convicted liars, as discussed here czcams.com/video/pVheYuzIk3I/video.html
@@VacuumFacts czcams.com/video/6NSUzLz9gX0/video.html this is not the vertex but it has the same zero m technology as it. czcams.com/video/C-f6l9xUR9M/video.html and here it shows it can pick up lots of debris. I can't afford a v11 dyson but the vertex is very affordable at $300. Do you believe I should get the vertex or is there a better product at the same price. I just want the next best v11 but around the price of the shark vertex, ie. $300
>> Vacuum Facts czcams.com/video/6NSUzLz9gX0/video.html this is not the vertex but it has the same zero m technology as it. czcams.com/video/C-f6l9xUR9M/video.html and here it shows it can pick up lots of debris. I can't afford a v11 dyson but the vertex is very affordable at $300. Do you believe I should get the vertex or is there a better product at the same price.
The video you linked to is a prime example of absurd and unrepresentative testing whose conclusions cannot be relied on to indicate real-world performance. I'd avoid misleading sources of that level of poorness. Under real-world conditions, I've seen no evidence the 'zero m' technology is any better than the better competitors. Again, as for claims about its general performance, I direct you to a lack of convincing evidence and Shark's disgusting history czcams.com/video/pVheYuzIk3I/video.html Yes, the V11, while the best on the market currently, is out of the price range of many. However, the V10 probably isn't and is likely still second best overall and cheaper, particularly in sales. But the decision is entirely yours.
Example of issues with zero m head czcams.com/video/WTUXciUQnko/video.html -and none of this is captured by the utterly absurd testing you see by poor sources out there, again illustrating the stupidity and misleading nature of their 'tests'.
@vacuum facts one point on price, Dyson in the U.K. and US offer 0% finance so the cost can be spread over 6 or 12 months in the U.K. and 3, 6, 12 months in the US. Which might appeal to some people to be able to afford one and spread the cost.
I wonder if it would be possible to design a test gauge that could mimic the resistance of a porous carpet?
Yes, it's extremely simple to do and on my potential to-do list for a video. Not a single one of the rabid vacuum enthusiasts has figured out how to do it yet...as expected. But it's not really meaningful anyway in the end, because {all my videos on the topic}. The only meaningful metric is a carefully conducted comparative test of extraction rate of representative test dust as a function of dust loading (not sand, like you see truly moronic imbeciles misleading people with). In other words the 'spreadsheet' 'numbers' that 'isn't data' and 'doesn't mean anything' (to a wilful idiot) I show in my videos.
@@VacuumFacts But it would still be very interesting to see. I think it would be very useful and I for one would like to own such a gauge 😊
@@2711marcus So the Lupe eh; quite the disappointment in the end, then. Amazing what a fact-check reveals; rumours and unevidenced claims from untrustworthy sources are often false.
@@VacuumFacts Yeah disappointing but hey ho. Maybe I'll save up and purchase a V12 when it comes out 👍
@@2711marcus It was obvious that this would be the result before I even did a dot of testing; the on paper stats clearly showed it, especially the lack of important stats they kept quiet that the best proudly reveal. Contrasts very badly with your earlier claim that "if you want the best performance from a cordless cleaner sell your Dyson and get a Lupe! 😍". I bet 5 minutes after you buy the V12, you'll sell it for the Lupe 2... I can't believe you sold a V11 for a Lupe and claimed it was better. Madness... :)
What's the best vacuum out there mate is it the Dyson?
Can you explain to me what your motivation for asking is?
@@VacuumFacts need a new vacuum
What do you mean by 'best'?
@@VacuumFacts built great and wont break in less than 10 years
That's not a good criterion alone to judge any product by. I've no reason to believe most products, if treated well and not abused or neglected, won't last 10 years.
I'm morbidly fascinated with Lupe. Seeing their 400W peak rating on the motor immediately raised suspicions given the size of battery they're using. It looks like they've slapped the cheapest space-filling brushed DC motor they could find into a shell with very little consideration given to packaging. At 9S (min 33.3 v) that means they're drawing up to 12 Amps, which is nothing for a quality 18650 but somehow enough to overload and wear something in the system. Again, 12A at 30V would be nothing for a quality brushless of half the size, so either they're using recycled laptop cells or the worlds crappiest brushed motor. Or maybe their fan design is so bad that it stalls out at higher speeds, or starves the motor for cool air? I'd love a teardown on this thing.
Also, there's no magic in Dyson motors. They're bog standard high KV brushless inrunners that you could get at any RC store these days. The expense is in the engineering - the multistage fan design and shrouding are what make their tiny fan outperform mains Electroluxes and Mieles. Even the V6, using a tiny, stamped sheet ducted axial fan, was more powerful than its handheld contemporaries using traditional radial fans, because of its smart shrouding, blade design, and speed controller.
As a vacuum cleaner, the only performance-related metric worth a damn is its actual representative cleaning performance, which was quantified relative to competitor machines here. They lacked the design and technology to compete for the price they were charging.
>> “Also, there's no magic in Dyson motors. They're bog standard high KV brushless inrunners that you could get at any RC store these days.”
I do not believe this statement is true, and is just a subjective opinion. Could you provide quantitative evidence of the peak power density of the two motors to validate your claim? I suspect you couldn’t. What separates Dyson’s motors is their industry-leading power density, and to achieve the values they do requires sophisticated electromagnetic engineering amongst other material, geometric, and fluid dynamic optimisations of their impellor and shaft, that are fully patented so competitors can't steal the technology and design required. Competitor digital motors are very far behind in power density and why they thus have relatively huge heavy motors that are less efficient (waste more energy), and thus why they are always seen to skimp on battery size, run time, or performance, to keep product weight down, as revealed in every cordless review I’ve done.
I'm going to post this link in the Vacuum Wars comment section. They've been jizzing over the Lupe since they tested it.
lol; no wonder theirs clogged. I've no respect for dishonest and misleading reviews by weak sources (so, pretty much, the entirety of CZcams and internet at large). Or, as you've seen from the video, misleading and false claims by manufacturers that were not supported by any objective evidence and exposed as apparent falsehoods. Also exposing all the mindless rabid vacuum enthusiasts who were making factual claims without evidence, in conflict with reality, in their desperation to try and continue anti-Dysonism for petty tribal reasons, rather than being fair and objective.
Here is the comment I posted 🙂
"Vacuum Facts have tested this machine against the Dyson V11 and the Lupe is pretty awful - provably so.
Here is the video:
czcams.com/video/2BHbIgOG9qA/video.html"
@@sbomorse :) not necessary really, although I appreciate the gesture. It'll be deleted probably anyway; many try to suppress me and facts-especially when facts conflict with broken subjective worldviews. The unthinking aren't really my target audience.
Somebody has some strong opinions on your work! Even claiming to have you done by CZcams for stealing other people works etc and copyrighted claims.
There are some bitter people about.
@@sbomorse Yeah, although I've not seen that old trope lately. People that don't like facts and have no argument of their own resort to lies, smears, and ad hominem attacks in a feined attempt at being 'offended'. Look out for it; behaviour like that is not to be respected.
Imagine if Dyson didn't exist, what vacuum do you think you would you own today?
That's the same as asking what the second best cleaner is. Tough to answer because the cordless formfactor is superior, but only Dyson achieve mains cleaning performance without compromise. So probably a mains upright. It would have to be without bag, but none of the competition can do cyclonic filtration properly. There's a sea of shit out there, so pick one and that's my answer, because it would be quite arbitrarily chosen.
@@VacuumFacts The second best cleaner I'd expect you to say would be a V10 lol. Lets say Vax air or Shark duo clean then :P
Although like u I also support dyson, assuming that all it most of the other brands are copy cat doesn’t makes feel comfortable. Dyson didn’t invent vacuum cleaners either, they just made it better. But I will still support dyson anyways due them being the first one to innovate and gave us high quality products that last for a long time.
You appear to have misunderstood, like many recently. I'm talking about the form factor or features, particularly when those features blatently copied perform less well.
How exactly is "stepping on the head" an impractical design? The v11 doesn't even stand up on its own! You're presenting your own biased and personal gripes with the machine as if they are fact.
I agree it's minor. It is required with every single use though, and is nevertheless avoidable. Standing up on its own brings with it the significant practicality drawbacks highlighted. Being able to prop up against a wall is minor effort and inconvenience, not necessary for every use, and the unit can easily be put on the floor if desired to move something. It's a small drawback for the other benefits the formfactor brings. To suggest that this single issue isn't an observed fact is absurd. Even worse, suggesting that I'm biased whilst literally ignoring the entirety of the objective evidence-base presented to inform what I say is an example of hypocrisy.
@@VacuumFacts How is complaining "evidence-based." This is literally one example of you just whining to put the flawed V11 on a pedestal. How about your rant on the "battery management hassle?" You're literally complaining about hot-swappable batteries, a common design in cordless appliances for utilizing multiple batteries. I have a 6000 sq Foot house and the V11 does not have a way to remove the battery meaning I have to wait for it to charge multiple times to complete my cleaning. With the Lupe, I can just swap in a new battery while the other is charging. Please tell me how this is the "best design?"
That's why most people bite size their cleaning instead of the tiring whole house mega chore. There's no reason to clean it all at once. And there are drawbacks to multiple batteries (or at least inefficiency that needs relatively more for the same result) that you ignore, like environmental impact and management hassle. Most people don't live in mansions either.
@@VacuumFacts when the V11 no longer takes a charge you will literally have to throw the whole vacuum away. With the lupe (or any vacuum or tool) that uses a hot swap system I can just replace a the battery. Why do you think all quality power tools adopt this system.
@@PCSpider No longer takes a charge? Can you evidence this and more importantly show how to reproduce it? That won't happen for years (far longer than competitor products) unless it's been abused or there's been a rare battery failure. You can replace the battery on the V11 too. Do you even fact-check anything before you fire off your nonsense?
This is not a balanced review. Owning both V11 and Lupe I can say the latter is easier to live with and use on a daily basis than the Dyson. The V11 has more than its fair share of shocking design decisions. Presenting as fact that the Lupe is harder to empty is when the last shred of credibility disappeared.
Quite what you mean by 'balanced' is anyone's guess. Everything stated in the video is supported by evidence, regardless of whether or not it's something someone 'likes' to hear. Your subjectivity about what is 'easier to live with' has no bearing on facts. You claim "The V11 has more than its fair share of shocking design decisions" but objectively evidence none. You are also wrong to suggest I claimed the Lupe is "harder" to empty; in fact, as the video shows, I claimed it is messier to empty and less well designed to avoid splashing dust, just like all the other copycat clones. I think it's your own credibility that's shot here... Oh, and then there's literally everything else you appeared to completely ignore...such as its inferior performance-the thing that really counts, despite all its compromises. >_>
@@VacuumFacts "balanced" meaning that you would point out some of the failings of the V11. You would say that Dyson have tried to make it easy to empty but have not been entirely successful because 9 times out of 10 there are still matted hair and fibres clinging to the micro-mesh filter inside the canister and no amount of shaking or forceful ejection will dislodge it. You have to resort to dismantling or putting your hand inside. You would also mention that the V11 filter is prone to clogging and no amount of washing ever restores it's original state. You'd mention that once you have washed the V11 filter, it takes 24 hours to dry and it only ever seems to need washing more frequently with age. The only objective test you performed is disputed by a number of other online tests and reviews. I have no more reason to believe your test than any other but the absence of any criticism of the V11 in your comparison is note worthy.
@Ian Woodland The failings of the V11 are pointed out in the review about the V11; this was a review about the Lupe and being compared with the V11. I've seen no objective evidence supporting 90% failure to remove hair and fibres on the mesh filter; I've no idea what you're doing but I've never seen that happen. If you'd like to present some evidence for review, showing both how to reproduce the issue *and* that it causes machine failure, feel free. Otherwise, talk is cheap. I've also seen no evidence at all that the filter can clog from normal household dust it was designed for in a way that cannot be restored by following the manufacturer's instructions. Again, if you can convincingly evidence exactly how to reproduce this and quantify how it impairs performance for scrutiny and review, I'll believe you; otherwise it's just another petty anecdote anyone can make up. I've seen no evidence anyone reputable disputes the tests I do, nor have I seen the reasoning they give with supporting evidence to see if any of it holds water. Anyone could say what you're saying. Unless you have any evidence to support it, much like as is shown to support the things I say, then you're not going to convince anyone with an ounce of sense and respectability. People can review the evidence I present and make their own minds up; you, alas, are all talk and seem to simply dislike that evidence reveals the V11 is an objectively superior product to the Lupe. Your subjectivity is noted.
... figures...
All humans are prone to confirmation bias. One of us recognises that, the other is making money from a CZcams channel. Anyone who comments in your channel about a negative experience with a Dyson is either lying or misusing it. That's your perogative. I wish you well.
Ok so it beat THe Lupe in your tests, thats good to know. You have probably watched Vaclabs video showing the V11 getting clogged? The pathways are very narrow and this does happen frequently.
So you ignore the majority of what was discussed in the video to instead cite a dodgy source of misleading nonsense? Figures. Glad you at least acknowledged the Lupe's carpet performance inferiority, in stark contrast to an earlier comment you made in my V11 1-year update review video, falsely claiming the opposite. Very poor.
The video you cite demonstrates examples of the highlest levels of apparent stupidity. Forming an opinion based on 5 minutes of use in a shop, using a product which has been clearly neglected. This is exactly the kind of nonsense crap I'd expect you to spout. The guy complains, yet it was clearly blocked through abuse. Then, like a stellar-grade genius, turns the machine on with the bin open, which is now well known to avoid, and flooded the filters with dirt. The genius then fails to realise that boost mode isn't for general cleaning, as anyone with an ounce of sense or that has watched my videos (or read the manual) should know. Then tries to vacuum up gigantic particles and other material that no sensible person would try to vacuum up, and despite having seen once that it causes a blockage. That's just wilful mindlessness and misleading deception. And to top it all off, he claims the machine needs to be on high for the cyclones to 'work properly'; that is a falsehood and he provided NO evidence to support it. That video is the definition of deceitful and that behaviour is utterly stupid. No wonder people form opinions that are at odds with reality with that level of 'intellect' observable in that video. Anyone who can't see that that video is just mindless and unjustified hate, commonly observed within the rabid vacuum enthusiast community, is missing a screw.
@@VacuumFacts I've have never abused my V8 and I have never cogged any of my cleaners ever but the Dyson has clogged on numerous occasions so it is a problem
I'm doubtful, given your record of inaccuracy and the total absence of any evidence of how to reproduce the issue you allege, to understand why it happens. It doesn't happen for me. But even if true, it means you're sucking up objects far too large that has caused the blockage. Learn. And if that's the most severe criticism you've got about a product that's not even the focus of the video, then, now that you've scraped through to the wood, it's clearly a good product then.
You know, I'm often falsely claimed to be a 'Dyson fanboy'. The reality is that Dyson products are designed to be the 'best' on the market, so I compare to them, given I've only interest in the 'best'. Slating areas that aren't as good in other products isn't evidence of Dyson fanboyism. There's such a thing as inverse fanboyism, where hatred for the 'top dog' Dyson is so great, that it manifests as barrel-scrape hole poking all the time, in favour of any other product which isn't a Dyson. 'Inverse fanboyism' manifesting as 'anti Dyson brand'. Hypocrisy.
@@VacuumFacts Nah not sucking up anything that my other cleaners can't cope with. Next time it happens I'll show you the evidence. The air paths are small, it's not just me who have had this problem it's very common you speak to a Dyson engineer and he will confirm this.
Hahaha. What an absolutely super-weighted review in favour of Dyson that makes this whole review practically irrelevant for making an informed choice. 'Built to last' means it is fully modular so you can replace parts (unlike the Dyson where you need a whole new machine); the weight is distributed towards the floor which makes it easier to use for longer (unlike a Dyson); the floor-standing aspect is a benefit so you don't have to leave it leaning against a wall or on the floor (unlike a Dyson) - this I can pick up just by a quick search. I don't see that as a review but rather a Dyson promotional video. "You have to connect the battery, taking up table space" - really?! hahaha. Completely missing the point. It sounds like someone is bitter that they didn't get a free version!
>> “What an absolutely super-weighted review in favour of Dyson that makes this whole review practically irrelevant for making an informed choice.”
There’s nothing in the video which isn’t a fact. You haven’t stated anything you disagree with and evidenced why, so I can only assume you agree.
>> “'Built to last' means it is fully modular so you can replace parts (unlike the Dyson where you need a whole new machine)”
Did you fact-check anything before you spoke? If you had done, you’d learn that the Dyson machines are fully modular. Where do you think Lupe got their idea from?
>> “the weight is distributed towards the floor which makes it easier to use for longer (unlike a Dyson)”
Not for above floor cleaning, and the Dyson is light above floor, more so than any other machine I’ve measured. The disadvantages of the Lupe’s approach are well evidenced in the video. I suggest you watch it. You've also ignored the issue of bulk, inertia, and excess materials consumption, all covered in the video.
>> “the floor-standing aspect is a benefit so you don't have to leave it leaning against a wall or on the floor (unlike a Dyson)”
That ‘benefit’ you speak of comes with drawbacks that were evidenced in the video. And there’s no problem with resting a cordless stick vac against a wall or anywhere else suitable. It works well and is very easy. The benefits of the stickvac formfactor vastly outweight not standing up on its own.
>> “"You have to connect the battery, taking up table space" - really?! hahaha. Completely missing the point.”
The video outlined the problems with this. It’s an avoidable hassle and there are far more elegant and efficient solutions if you design right.
>> “It sounds like someone is bitter that they didn't get a free version!”
If I’d got a free version, I’d have been accused (rightly) as being a shill.
You make no sense, don’t claim to disagree with anything, don’t evidence your position well, and just come across as disgruntled that the facts presented conflict with what you’d rather be true. The video speaks for itself. The Lupe is a mediocre product that is not worth the price. There is far better technology out there at lower cost. Pointing that out so people can make up their own minds is no crime.
@@VacuumFacts You are apparently representing a balanced view of the Lupe product. However, you seem to assume that everyone wants the same things you do and that Dyson is the pinnacle of good design. I’m not looking to sell a Lupe, I’m just saying that your review is unashamedly biased towards a Dyson cordless stick vacuum product and seemingly out to bash a new player in the market based on a fairly myopic set of values that assume everyone thinks/wants the same. My Mum, for example, would love an upright cleaner as she finds the stick vacuums too heavy to carry for long periods; my wife would love a vacuum cleaner that lasted for the whole home and didn’t need emptying half way through. I have a Dyson v8, and it’s awful on hard floors and carpets and has to be on full power to even get the poor results it does. As such, I am still considering a Lupe because the majority of other professional reviews are considerably more gracious and considered than yours (good points and bad) - as are the large majority of user reviews too. I also applaud the ethics of a brand that is offering a product that is built to last and environmentally considerate. It has a lot more going for it than your review suggests.
You can completely disagree with me and ask for me to cite evidence again, and that’s fine, but all I’m saying is that to me your review is far from balanced and only portrays your opinion as someone closely affiliated to the Dyson brand (as I note a number of the other comments on this post also suggest). It’s just an opinion (like your review) that I would hope you would see as a piece of valuable feedback - rather than a call to get in to a slanging match over vacuums!
@@GaryAlner Too often "balanced review" means ignoring failings and giving a half-truth. I give a full truth. Another common failure is to not realise that subjectivity is left at the door and only the facts are presented. This product was compared fairly and objectively with another. The data speaks for itself. People can make up their own minds and decide whether facts are more or less valuable to them than their feelings. People who make judgements by ignoring factual content because they can't see past cosmetics and tone are shallow and not worth my attention. Incidentally, the V8 was not ever designed to be a mains replacement...and nor is a Lupe. Only the V10 onwards are good enough to replace mains cleaners, based on objective data. Finally, as I've said more times than I can remember: I've no affiliation to Dyson, no matter how much people might want to think that and would drop interest in them like a stone if another manufacturer could empirically demonstrate technological superiority.
@@VacuumFacts Some people clearly just aren’t designed to take feedback and that’s fine; keep up your ‘balanced’ biased-toned reviews and best of luck to you. I tried.
@@GaryAlner I read your 'feedback' (meritless criticism) and fully addressed the points. And then you ignored my responses again. You still haven't even stated what you disagree with, so I presume nothing. I'm apparently just not saying what you'd rather me to say, i.e. burying a full truth and only telling a misleading half-truth in the interest of false 'balance'. You've already shown evidence of being simply wrong on factual matters, which automatically undermines your position.
Agree with everything said in this video. Seems like a 300 dollar vacuum.
This is the most biased and one sided review I have ever seen regardless of product. And I am a Dyson V8 Absolute owner.
That was the most well-defended position I've ever seen written. Amazing and thorough assessment of all the evidence shown. Oh wait, no, it was just a stupid opinion.
@@VacuumFacts I think your last comment summed up my position perfectly.
@@normgregoire7954 Yes; you don't have one. You simply 'dislike' and pout.
@@VacuumFacts I usually don't waste my time commenting but for you I will make an exception. Your unprofessionalism in your review and in your response to criticism shows just how biased you are. When you can't defend a position or you don't like what your followers have to say, you simply lash out childishly. You showed this lack of objectivity in the early part of your review by disparaging the developers of the Lupe simply because they were previous Dyson employees. What on earth does that have to do with objectively reviewing a product. From there it continued to go downhill. As some of the other comments stated, it appears to be more of a hit job than a proper product review. As I stated in my initial comment, I am a happy Dyson owner and feel they make an incredible product so your comments of disliking and pouting are silly, childish and again unprofessional. I can only hope that you take some time to consider the negative feedback I and others have provided and have that reflect on any of your future product reviews. All the best to you and your loved ones.
@@normgregoire7954 I usually don't waste my time commenting on posts by whiney trolls, but for you I will make an exception. You remain absent of any substance in your criticism of what's presented and seem to fixate on utterly trivial cosmetics whilst simultaneously ignoring the data and objective observations. Maybe next time you'll form a criticism around something presented in copious amounts in the video for all to see: evidence. As I stated in my initial comment, your cosmetic whining and ad hominem attacks are silly, childish, and command ridicule. I can only hope that you take some time to consider the feedback provided and have that reflect on any of your future comments. All the best to you and your loved ones.
I appreciate you need help: What facts presented do you disagree with, why, and where is the evidence? What objective facts do you feel were not presented, and where is the evidence? It's that simple. Let's see if you can walk the walk. If all you've got to complain about are cosmetics rather than substance, then you're just not welcome here.
Their cyclone orientation makes no sense. When the vacuum is in regular use aren’t the cyclones oriented in the wrong direction? With the end of the cone pointing up in the air? Surely there must be more to the cyclone assembly unless this is something they overlooked. Even when the cleaner is on the horizontal or at a slight angle during cleaning only the parallel to the normal force (from gravity) will be pulling the dust out of the cyclones. This could be why they are so ineffective.
That's not how cyclones work; they work upside down; gravity is a relatively negligible force in there. Their cyclone performance weakness is in greater subtleties in the design. Those better designs are patented by their inventors, so they're left with crappy immitations that don't work as well, much like as described here: czcams.com/video/U_qS2i6HQRY/video.html It might say 'cyclonic' on the tin, but it doesn't work like a Dyson; it's patented.
Hmm gravity has a lot to due with cyclones, I do agree with you that the lupe has a poor design. But gravity is the whole reason cyclones work. Gravity is the force that acts on the air and the particles in the airflow. The cyclones spin the air rapidly which through centrifugal forces makes small mass more substantial so they are spun out of the airstream. Gravity then pulls these particles out of the tips of the cyclones and into the discharge chamber. The reason i mention this is because I think the tips of the lupes cyclones are getting blocked by dust because they are constantly upside down, they still work upside down but they need to be turned upright so the dust can be expelled.
The Dyson v11 has a much more advanced cyclone design, as seen by the larger number of cyclones to reduce airflow restriction, the fact that lupe could only use 4 cyclones contributes to its ass performance in carpet cleaning. It would be interesting to do a test and see if the cyclones are more effective if they are oriented correctly every now and then so they can clear themselves of dust.
@@orangesforall2053 If you think gravity is important, I'll let you provide your force calculations for me and evidence it experimentally to verify your claim. (I'm not expecting you to; you'll find that the aerodynamic forces spectacularly dwarf the particle weight forces.) You'll also note that the DC07's cyclones are 'upside down' too. If you have any evidence the Lupe's cyclonic tips clog up, send it along; I observed none. I don't expect you will. The only thing I saw getting clogged was the cyclone discharge pipe and the shroud, as mentioned in the video.
@@orangesforall2053 There's no airflow through the tip of a cyclone; this is a misunderstanding I've already covered in videos. You've got it all wrong when it comes to it's lousy performance. The video explained the real cause.
They leave the company at its highest, not a good decision.
I wonder why?
@@VacuumFacts do you know if new samsung stick vacuums come from the same dyson factories?
@@yurieu5872 Why do you think Samsung products ever came from Dyson factories?
@@VacuumFacts they are made with similiar technology and uses the same materials.
@@yurieu5872 So are all such products. Not sure that actually explains why you think the products of one particular company are made for them by their direct competitor. To my knowledge, they are not.
LOL. Dyson fanboy makes whingy review of alternative product. Is this a spoof?
Anyone who would watch this video (assuming you even did) and would dismiss all the evidence and facts that back up all that's said, is either an idiot or a troll.
Dyson fanboy
I've no allegiance to Dyson.
Four filters wow.
Reviews from Vacuum Wars and others only talk about raw suction and airflow performance, which is completely useless to the user. They the reviews also don't talk about the usability of the machine, like how light weight it is, and how easy it is to go from vacuuming the carpet to vacuuming the stairs. The reviews also don't talk about the filtration, and how effective the Lupe removes the dirt from the air. The design is completely inferior to the Dyson V11 in nearly every way. "the cordless fully realised… finally", "works the best. looks the best. lasts the best", "You’re looking at the strongest and most efficient suction of any cordless vacuum cleaner out there", what a bunch of marketing bull shit.
That you managed to get 6 likes in just a few minutes, conveniently on both of your comments, really does make me feel like you've just logged into several accounts and liked your own comment. o_0 And the irony is, I don't even disagree with any of them, so such actions aren't even necessary. I really wish I could disable likes on comments; they're a waste of time, yet people can use them to inflate visibility. A flaw with YT IMO.
@@VacuumFacts I did that so the comments are at the top, so people can see them.
Guys you need to listen to him, Dysons vacuums are better. The amount of engineering that goes into the Dyson hyperdymium motors is absolutely crazy. Like he said the, the Lupe's motor is nowhere near the power of Dysons hyperdymium motor. Dysons hyperdymium motor is much more efficient, powerful and will last longer then the Lupe's conventional motor. Most of all the Lupe is more expensive than the Dyson V11. All this contradicts Lupe's claims. Please listen to him, someone who finally knows what he is talking about.
Utterly biased. I would prefer to look at Vacuum Wars for a far more objective view. Even the form factor is better - especially for those who have grip issues - all the weight is low down NO Ton the wrists. Additional it can stand up in its own right.
Tfw someone confuses facts for bias. The video clearly outlined and demonstrated the problems of the upright formfactor and weight was explicitly addressed. You seem to have ignored what was said, possibly because you were too busy falsely crying 'bias' because you don't like facts. Being able to stand upright is a trivial feature dwarfed by the drawbacks in so many other areas. Preparing the floor you're about to vacuum is a far more sensible approach and propping against a wall or resting on the floor, given you're about to bend down and pick somehting up anway, is just as effective. To justify bias so trivially undermines any credibility you may have once carried. And then there's literally everything else in the video you seem to have conveniently glossed over... >_>