First Time Hearing SABATON Father Official Lyric Video Reaction
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“During peace he belonged to the world, during war he belonged to his place of birth”. The food for the world, the chemical weapons for his country, Saint ez I would say
nationalism is only bad for the nation losing a war. there is no morality in war. only a victor.
A saint for what he did FOR the world but a sinner for what he did TO the world.
I'd say he was just a human. No saint or sinner
He actually did intend on using it as a weapon in war time, he was even promoted to captain and head of the chemistry section of the ministry of war, he defend med the use of chemical weapons basically saying death is death whether from a bullet or gas
Franz Haber believed using chemical weapons would force enemy troops to surrender quicker, thus negating the need for long drawn out battles and gunfights. And in so doing he believed the war could be ended sooner and with fewer unnecessary deaths. I don't think even he realized the true scope and scale of the horrors his inventions would eventually bring about.
His goal was to make the war last as short of a time as possible, same as the nuke.
@@Razzlion I was going to say just like oppenheimer
@@ImadeGodmybitchsame with Richard J. Gatling btw.
I love the history that they teach, I also love thar they show the humanity in the most inhuman actions we get involved in.
The sinner part comes from his creation of chlorine gas and phosgene gas. He was proud of his creations being used on the battlefield and defended the use of chemical weapons. "The disapproval that the knight had for the man with the firearm is repeated in the soldier who shoots with steel bullets towards the man who confronts him with chemical weapons. [...] The gas weapons are not at all more cruel than the flying iron pieces; on the contrary, the fraction of fatal gas diseases is comparatively smaller, the mutilations are missing". His work was later used (without his involvement) to create Zyklon B, which was used to kill more than 1 million Jews in the gas chambers during the Holocaust.
An interesting fact of the creation of Cyklon B is that he was a jew himself.
yep
@@henrikvidin
Zyklon B was created by the team at his institute and under his supervision. He was not its direct creator but it cannot be said that he was not involved.
I mean let's be real here if you can help out your homecountry in a WAR you would do the same ! Especially in WW1 which wasn't started by his home country ..... It's easy to talk shit about him now if you haven't be around those times ...
@@henrikvidin
He died in exile in the thirties, but the nazis murdered some of his relatives.
Fritz Haber is the pinnacle of what it means to be human, We are the destroyers of worlds but we are also the inventors of bright new futures. Our conscientious decisions in the moment we live them are what make us human. Fail we might, but success is built on mountains of failure. Live and Learn, make your decisions but live and learn from them whether the consequences be Glorious or Tragic.
Amen to that. We do a great disservice by representing any leaders as anything other than humans
I could have sworn I've seen you do this reaction before, at the time this song was newly released. You being only the second person to have an inkling about what the Manifesto of 93was, as I've watched.
The contradiction of Haber is great. He took very active part in supervising and calibrating the effects of the gasgranates in the trenches. Being very patriotic of his Preussian/ German background and wanting to break the stalemate of the trench warfares.
There's no real evidence that his wife took her life due to protesting again at his chemical warfare, though she was a chemist herself, they met as fellow chemical students, and probably understood very well what he was achieving. The marriage was already unhappy. True is that he within days of her suicide left his young son behind and went to the Eastern war front to further develop the chemical warfare on that front. Sabaton sings about Germany using gas on Russian soldiers in Attack of the Dead Men.
After the war he briefly staid in Switzerland, fearing to be arrested as a war criminal. He returned to Germany and made a distinguished academic career, further enhanced by the Nobel prize.
Around 1922/23 he and his team developed the prototype to a agricultural pesticide, Zyklon-A.
When Hitler took power he was harassed into giving up his academic positions and exile himself first to Cambridge. Being of Jewish birth, neither his early conversion to christianity,nor his patriotism could help him. Hitler is reputed to have a personal repugnance of gas warfare,due to his own experiences in the trenches.
Haber didn't get accepted in Britain, leading scientists reputedly refused even to shake his hand. Returning to Switzerland he died in exile 1933. Well after his death nazi scientists further developed his earlier findings into Zyklon-B of death gas infame.
He had several Jewish relatives who died in concentration camps. Long dead then, he didn't foreshadow all those bad things, but during his life he never publicly showed any remorse ofe those thousands directly killed and the even higher number maimed for life by his gas works.
A true man of contradiction as his discoveries also helped millions survive famine.
Sabaton manage to portray this dark conflict in a very poweful way.
his own wife died with a broken heart she killed herself having known what evil he was taking part in.
Interesting point in regards to the manifesto of the 93, einstein was one of the few german intelligentsia who refused to sign it, instead signing the similarly named anti war "Manifesto to the Europeans" written by Georg Friedrich Nicolai and Wilhelm Julius Foerster with the latter having signed the 93 manifest but quickly recanted
He wasn't a monster. He did what he thought was right to try to end the war quickly. There's a reason we shouldn't rush to fight. what he created was a horrific but completely legitimate weapon.
"What's coming next, from your inventions?" That's an especially dark line when you read a bit more into his story. Once the nazis took power they found some unfinished projects of Huber. They took a kin interest in a particular one, which they used as a base for what would be called Zyklone B... so Huber indirectly also had his finger into the gassing of the jews and the holocaust
Franz Haber himself was Jewish. In the 1930s, he was the head of the Chemical Institute (or something similar) and the Nazis didn't dare attack him because he was immensely popular among the German people. They did go after his employees, most of which were Jews. Haber used everything he could to protect his employees but after he died, they were rounded up like all others.
*Fritz Haber
What a brilliant reaction! Chapeau Sir!
You should watch the sabaton history of this, even if just on your own time, it gives a lot of useful and informative details.
He created/discovered something that man and not known about beforehand. The scientist job is to explore the vast unknown.
Regardless of how that knowledge was eventually used, he was still an excellent scientist and researcher.
the invention of synthetic ammonia was for a good reason, but that's not the problem. infact, chemical warfare has nothing to do with it.
he created wepaonized chlorine and ohosgene gas with the express purpose of using them as weapons. his wife even killed herself because of it
at 1:40 about manifest 93. it was fun to see how you worked your mind to find that knowledge memory of it.
He invented it they used it
The field of scientific abstraction encompasses independent kingdoms of ideas and of experiments and within these, rulers whose fame outlasts the centuries. But they are not the only kings in science. He also is a king who guides the spirit of his contemporaries by knowledge and creative work, by teaching and research in the field of applied science, and who conquers for science provinces which have only been raided by craftsmen. - Fritz Haber
Can you react to some videos on the Sabaton History they cover most of the sabaton songs and explain the history of it.
Man... I have watched a lot of reactions and often people have no idea about the history or science. But before even hearing the full song you picked it apart knowing perfectly the contradiction that was talked about. 5/5 love it when someone knows science and history!
I did just add you to my list. Great reaction to father! I got some other great Sabaton songs to do reactions to. First soldier and 1916, it's a cover of a mötorhead song. Just look up Tommy Johansson he's one of the guitar players in Sabaton. He has his own CZcams chanel there he put out one new cover every friday at 12 a clock CET. I hope you can understand what i'm writing cuz i did not like school that very much. Now history is geting interesting thanks to Sabaton. Thanks from sweden!👍🎸
i would have expected Carolus Rex, Swedish Pagans or En Livstid I Krig, as recommendations from a Swede. I love that they have 2 different versions for Carolus Rex, showing how the different sides viewed him. genius. As a swiss man I have to recommend The Last Stand. Not religious at all, but the Swiss Guard are an immense source of pride for me.
Great reaction from someone who like history 🙂 There is so much more Sabaton to watch 🙂
Nice reaction, Thanks! I love your comment, that Sabaton is "rekindling the past." Like setting fires in people's desire to learn about our pasts.
I learned quite a few things about this from you
Thanks for the knowledge
Just gonna like this before I even watch because your voice is awesome
FATHER OF TOXIC GAS!
When the man just sits and smiles whilst listening.... You just know he loves the song. Great reaction!
7:28 he was the scientist that created a process to create ammonia wich had many uses. But to say that his invention was took to create weapons is only half true. Yes the ammonia was used for weapons but he was also involved in creating other toxic gases for the use in weapons. He didn't have bad intentions tho. He thought he was developing a weapon that is deadly enough to bring the war to a quick end similar to what was done in ww2 with the atomic bomb. Sadly it didn't have the effect that he thought it would have and instead just killed a lot of people without changeing the length of the war
if possible, look into the Final Solution and the rise of evil by them. though not sure if there is a music video of those songs
There is a good lyric video of the Final Solution with extra fact texts in the video and there is a video on Rise of evil using cinematics from the movie Rise of evil.
this was pretty nice reaction, i like that you called out a few things before hand that they was going to mention and that you bring up the debate if he was good or bad.
personaly i think people figure shit out for the sake of good but there will always be people there who wants to use sayd thing for bad things or in this example for war
What do you thoughts on about Alfred Nobel in that case?
Someone who knew the background story off the top of his head. What? 👊
you are good man very good
The invention of the industrial production of NH3 was one of the biggest discovery connected to large-scale production of fertilizer. He also discovers fosgen and other chemical weapons.. unfortunately.
A sinner like everyone else. No exception.
if everyone is a sinner,bthen that label is meaningless
1:48 - WW1
The truth we should take away from every person to learn from is that we are all saints and sinners, we all would've done what he did If we could, in peace we'd help our fellow men, in war we'd create something to bring the war to a quicker and more decisive end for ourselves
Wait, how do you know about Haber, Bosch, the 93???
You sound extremely knowledgeable on this topic, not something a lot of people are!
Fritz Haber to me *is* the German of the 20th century - a lapsed Ashkenazim Jew, a German patriot, a scientist for the world, creator of both the way to avoid the Malthusian trap and a weapon so insidious that not even the NSDAP government was prepared to deploy it in the fields.
A *supremely* faustian character, striving for the best, fully accepting that the way to it might lead straight through Hell or worse.
Best regards
Raoul G. Kunz
what does "Faustian" mean exactly?
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 Just that - a character who has the will and sometimes even the desire to sacrifice the moral high ground as well as a willingness to go to the extremes in order to reach a supposedly higher goal, often a vaguely defined nietzschean aim that operates just so within remote comprehensiveness but verges ever so closely to the blue and orange morality of the Übermensch concept.
Or simply put: behaving like Dr. Faust in Goethe's (and Marlowe's) "Faust" when he sells His soul to the devil for reasons of intellectual mid-life-crisis😉.
Best regards
Raoul G. Kunz
You already reacted to this song, lol 😂
Ironically, Haber had the same idea behind his use of toxic gas in WW1 as the US later had with the nukes in WW2.
"By creating and using a weapon so terrible, so potent, the enemy is sure to see the pointlessness of the war and it will end much sooner, preserving lives overall instead of going on in a protracted slaughter."
interesting that it wirked in ww2, but not in ww1
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 If you are referring to the nukes, it didn't work in WW2 either.
It took two, it took years of completely destroying their armed forces and bombing their cities into dust. And there's the slight fact that there's STILL WAR....
Haven't you already reacted to this song 11 months ago?
Yup, was excited to see a new Sabaton reaction pop up on my feed and then realized I'd seen it before. Good for folks who follow this channel to discover though.
YEA I STILL HAVE ABOUT 500 VIDEOS I NEED TO TRANSFER TO THIS CHANNEL
Definitely makes sense given just how many videos you have haha.
bro sid the manifest of the 93 was referencing ww 2 right at the time the Mark 1 male tank crawls past on the screen from ww1 lollololollolo
ammonia isn't used for chemical weapons, it's used for explosives
not new to the band, but new to the song. I am here for it though
Do Gangstarr Robin Hood Theory
sabaton is always neutral at least. despite whatever opinions we have
He made the gas, but sadly, my grandfather made his machines.
Your voice would be good for adioubook work
Haber was right. As cruel as chemical weapons are but so are other weapons, people get cut to pieces by machine guns and blown to literally pieces by Artillery. IMHO the fear we feel with chemical weapons is because they are "faceless" but it is not really logical.
he mostly believed it would make the war shorter and it didn't, it created more suffering than what he wanted
TL:DR
Scientists can be evaluated based on moral lines.
Methology can be evaluated based on moral lines.
Application can be evaluated based on moral lines.
Findings themselves are morally neutral, albeit sometimes gruesome.
Scientific findings are morally neutral. It is how we got to the findings and how they are used afterwards that can be judged on moral basis, but the findings themselves are neutral. The one making said finding should also thus not be held accountable for how their findings are used afterwards, making it so that claiming a scientist as saint or sinner should only be based on how they got to the findings.
Creating concoctions in a lab or finding out how atoms can be split on a blackboard: nothing that can be blamed on the scientists.
Every and all human experiments conducted during WW2: Jesus Christ evil in the absolute sense of the word, even though the science itself that was produced has been of great use later on.
Me and the fellas after discovering bleach and ammonia under the kitchen sink
Try nomy can't help falling in lov cover elivs song
To be Honest without him Vegans could never Exist so taht make him a Sinner.
Sound like Rammstein to me
leave and never return nothing like rammstein. Behave!
All I said was his voice sounds like Rammstein not the music
Glad u noticed, there is a cover of a Rammstein song " Feuir frei" by Sabaton which reaaaaaaaaally puts that into comparison
So in other words you lot wouldn't help your homecoutry in a war that wasn't started by them ? Oh allright ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto_of_the_Ninety-Three