First Time Reaction to "Father" by Sabaton
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- čas přidán 28. 09. 2022
- Sabaton has surprised us with a new song. In this reaction I will be watching a lyric video and the Sabaton History Lesson for the song "Father" by Sabaton.
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A small correction/clearification. Fritz Haber did not receive the Nobel Prize for Peace, similar to the Oscars there are different types of Nobel Prize. Fritz Haber received the Nobel Prize of Chemistry.
Ah yes Frank. Solid correction. Thank you 😊.
Gonna be honest, for the longest time I thought the Nobel Prizes were only for scientific achievements until a few years ago. Kinda thought it was weird, but also makes sense considering what legacy Alfred Nobel wanted to leave behind.
If I remember correctly, Haber WAS a developer of pesticides and fertilizers, and pioneered some of the most effective fertilizers known to man. Around 90% of the world wouldn't be alive today without him, because without his research the human race wouldn't have boomed like it did.
Also remember that one of the pesticides was also used in the gas chamber that killed thousands in just a few days during ww2
@@kenshinyamamoto5855 No scientific advancement has ever come without abuse. If someone invented a cure for cancer tomorrow, they themselves or someone else would inevitably weaponize it somehow. People kinda suck that way.
The thing is that the same process used to create fertilizers (nitration, IIRC) is used to create explosives, so basically it also opened the door for increasing exponentially the mass production of ammunition for all weapons, creating the Hell on Earth of the trenches in WWI.
Yeah we do
@@kenshinyamamoto5855 Zyklon B Blausäure (Cyanide)
Great reaction. Harber is a very interesting man, on one hand he created unimaginable suffering, on the other hand humanity improved drastically thanks to him. As a scientist, I admire the man for his discoveries, as a human being, it is hard to not be horrified by the pandora box he opened.
And killing during a war gets forgiveness sometimes because of the war. That makes his judgment even more confusing when weighing his crimes versus his contributions...
@@TouchyReactions Indeed. On top of that we have to also think of the context. The great war was supposed to last couple months only and after the stalemate in the west, both sides started thinking about how to finish this war faster. In this context, gas was another way of trying to shift the balance because killing more would mean saving lives on your side. It doesn't justify the horrors inflicted, but the context can help understand how this came to be...and I'm pretty sure had the british or french someone as talented as Harber, they would have done the same, but those are just ifs. Have a nice week-end :)
@@armityle7138 They aren’t “ifs”. They did have people also working on gases, like Victor Grignard for the French.
But what’s terrifying is how he viewed gases as such a natural way forward for warfare and how the soldiers complaining about it were like (and I paraphrase a lot) “knights’ disapproval for the man with the firearm”.
@@olivierdubreuil-gagnon2201 Damn. Thx for the information. We always hear about Haber that we forget that the other side also had similar people
If I remember correctly, they used Chlorine gas in WW1 which was produced via the Amalgam-Verfahren/Almalgam-Process to produce H2, NaOH and "elemental" Cl (Hydrogen, Caustic soda, and elemental chlorine), they just wanted mostly the NaOH but couldn't know any better solution to produce it since today with the Membrane-Process and since they had so much chlorine gas stored because of this process they started using it as weapon in WW1
Thanks for sharing the details with us 😊
Glad you liked it!🙂
I think the fact that Haber invented poison gasses, does make it worse (in our minds at least) than if it was something else. After all, when we think about something like the tank or missiles or the machine gun, how often do we think about the inventors of those? Chemical warfare feels more wrong for us as humans, I mean it's pretty much automatically a warcrime to use chemical weapons these days (or it's terrorism).
Like I said, I love how Joakim sounds in this one. It's different, but I REALLY love it.
I also really love Dreadnought. Btw. Dreadnought has had one of the coolest (I think) live show lighting etc. stuff on this tour. (Except Christmas Truce of cource, but that's a totally different type of song...)
Have fun at the show🤘😉 Hope you'll manage to meet the band😄
Tanks, missiles and machine guns have a few things in common, they have the ability to kill their enemies instantly, they also have the ability to cause high and instant damage to equipments and they can be controlled easily, but chemical weapons did none of those, they mostly kill their enemies slowly, they make their enemy suffer great pain without the ability to cause significant damage to equipments nor can it be controlled the movement to only attack a single area.
Because of these reasons, many saw chemical weapons as unethical.
All cred to you for being so quick and telling Touchy about this one. Awesome!
Thanks again for letting me know. You rock.
Not all heroes wear capes.
Doctors Haber's story makes me question: why if an ordinary man uses his talents for his country, he is called a hero, but when a scientist does the same, he is called a monster?
I am just imaging you getting a notification of a sabaton video releasing and you running to the computer to record like a kid of Christmas morning.
Pretty much how it happened. Lol 😆
“In peace-time the scientist belongs to humanity, in war-time to his fatherland.”
-Fritz Haber
it hasn’t even been a day and he released a video, gotta love the dedication
I hope you like it.
@@TouchyReactions I abolutely loved it, hope you enjoy experiencing the sabaton concert!
Wow... This song is really heavy but at the same time catches you. I'll be adding it to my playlist
Catchy chorus 👌
Weapons of the Modern Age is is the first of 3 EP's that they are releasing. It contains the songs; Father, The Red Baron, Dreadnought, The Attack of the Dead Men, The Future of Warfare and Stormtroopers.
So fare only the title for the second EP is known "Echoes of the Great War"
Thanks for sharing this with us ❤️
I lost my mind to the new song, Great reaction for a great song, Thank you.
Thank You
As always great reaction. Also there is great video on him by Veritasium "Man who killed millions and saved billions" I personally recommend. Not necessarily for reaction. Just saying there it is and exists.
Thanks 😊
I hope you enjoy the Sabaton show!! I hope they play most, if not all, of your favourite songs. 🤟😎🤘Not many bands have the positive energy that Sabaton has during their shows. Will you livestream anything from that day?
No livestream, but we will record a Vlog
This song has a similar feel to Dreadnought, when I first heard it today I was too into the story to really listen to the music, but I can already see that it will be high on my list of favorites. It's definitely a grower and yet another very interesting and important story, food for thought
Thanks Marina. I just recorded my reaction to Dreadnought 5 minutes ago and I can see where you are coming from.
@@TouchyReactions can't wait to see it, Dreadnought is my favorite song from this album
Unfortunately, it won't be out till November 5th on CZcams. It'll hit the patreon in a week or two.
Father of toxic gas and chemical warface gives me always goosebumps
To drive the point home about how beneficial the haber process is for fertilizer: it’s estimated that about 50 percent of the nitrogen atoms in modern humans were put into the ground by the haber process.
I am sure you will have a great time at the Sabaton Concert - they always put on a great show
Thanks Zyxxy
I love this new song I can't have enough of sabaton ^-^
Yes, more coming
The Man is simply a Human. And in particular a Human of it´s Time.
I feel that Haber is deserving of his Nobel Price and not an entirely amoral person as some, or many today, assert.
He was a man of the early 20th century in many ways. A completely integrated former Ashkenazim, a glorious chemist, the inventor of chlorine gas and Buntschießen ("Colourful Shelling"), a convinced member of the scientific society, a staunch German patriot, a Prussian drillmaster in his field.
I feel that we don't have the luxury of condemning a person like Haber for his choices, and they follow clear lines - though not exactly popular ones in modernity - but this is because we have not fought World Wars for just under a hundred years and "our" believe in "our" (as a species) inherent greater maturity is currently (autumn of `22) being shelled straight to hell in Ukraine and it's (hopefully remaining so, we might also see something very much like the first and second Balkan Wars in '12 and '13, if we are especially unlucky we are living in an extended July Crisis) "Proxy World War" between NATO, EU and Russia fought on the fields of Ukraine.
We just can't truly understand the decisions and preferences of historical characters. Always keep in mind that "the past is a foreign country" and it would be presumptuous to claim to fully understand or condemn the ideals and motivations of only a hundred years ago.
Best regards
Raoul G. Kunz
Awesome comment Raoul 👏 👌 👍
Haber won a Nobel peace prize for inventing synthetic ammonia, which enabled large scale fertilizer production. Then, in the war, he invented and pioneered the use of his chemicals for warfare. Iirc his wife condemned him and killed herself due to this
He was a very dynamic and interesting man and it's hard to decide whether hes a hero or a villain in the history of mankind
They also had a lyrics video with pretty good visuals. Sabaton makes lyric videos of everything.
this song gave me goosebumps all over
Chilling
I was just going to reccomend this!!! Perfect timing lol
Thanks. I was quite fast with this one.
Saint or Sinner...he was brilliant, no question. Its hard to look in someones head, and we have no idea how it must have been during that time. A very hard question, we dont know how many Ghosts were haunting his mind for the rest of his life...
We can praise him for his good deeds and condemn his bad deeds.
@@TouchyReactions a child of his time i guess
I was just at their concert in Salt Lake City Utah last week and they played sooo many songs I had hoped to hear. I hope you get your song as well.
Tonight is the night 🌙
Enjoy the concert, and good luck meeting them! I'm seeing them in Cincinnati in a week and can't wait either. I saw them last year when they opened for Judas Priest and they were amazing! Epica is one of my favorites as well, I hope you like there stuff also.
Planning on studying for Epica tonight.
its a 10/10, its within my top 10 probably top 3
I don't think the title hero or villain or any of those really work for the guy.
He was just trying to live his life, doing what he loved, trying to do the right thing at the time to support his country.
It's honestly a great example of "science thinking about if it can, not if it should" outside of sci-fi.
Kinda what I got off what they were saying was kinda like 3 “mini” album being about inventions, hero’s, and stories. All dealing with World War One
Cannot wait. Woo hoo
Ik it's not World War 1 but it will be exciting if sabaton make a song the first AR
Sabaton also dropped an official lyric video for this song.
I cried so hard. Awsome song!!
Out of happiness I hope
I read more about the man. When they mentioned where will his creation lead they mean that his research was used to make Zyklon B, his research was used for the worst weapon of man history, he suffered all his life with regret. A ambition lead to the most inhumane weapon of history.
That's rough
The image is for the single out the 3 sabaton gonna make as continuation of the recent album The War to End all Wars.
I saw them in Los Angeles the show was awesome enjoy
I'm getting really excited 😊
Yeah Iron Thunder has always been the fastest for fan lyrics video
He beat the official lyric video from sabaton.
i do believe the official video on their page was also with the lyrics but more stylized, but yeah great song
I actually released my reaction before the official lyric video dropped.
Que du bonheur à vous écouter ❤️. Une magnifique chanson. Vous êtes vraiment formidable. Merci sabaton du plus profond du ❤️. Continuer le plus longtemps possible.👍🤘🇨🇵🇸🇪
Thank you 😊
So just a thought...... Every reactor on youtube always mentions the guitarr solos and the drums and piano/keyboard when used, but no one ever or very rarely mentions the work Pär does on the base. Just a little sad about that, since its carrying a lot of the songs too. Unless its counted into it all as "baseguitar" but still...
It's yet another awesome song by Sabaton.
You are correct. Bass players have a thankless job sometimes. Unless a song has a bass solo built in, we rarely notice them.
🤘🔥🤘
I think man was ultimately a prison of his passion, science.
Sabaton says these songs didn't really fit into the Great War, so they are released as EPs. There will be 3 of them.
Yes, more to come. Nice
I would say he’s kind of like Alfred Nobel the man who invented dynamite only difference is Nobel felt remorse for how his invention was later used, he made dynamite to help mine tunnels through mountains and crack mountain rim parts but it would be used by the military for explosives which he regretted
Thanks Dominic
So I think Fritz Haber is probably a really great example of the idea that in reality there is no black & white, everything is just shades of gray. What might bring prosperity and a brighter future for some might be pain and darkness for others. It's a hard thing to reconcile with but even if it might sound a bit heartless I feel he and his invention is a great example of the fact that good and evil don't really exist but it's more of a matter of your own personal perspective. Now personally I feel that if it had been possible to avoid all of the unnecessary death and destruction caused by gas then of course that would have been the preferable outcome.
Have you ever considered that the typical Bond villain and Austin Powers dito got their look from Haber? :)
Yes...nice
Coincidentally or as a sarcstic "easter Egg", but the Picture of the Single looks like the 80s "Reanimator" Movie Poster ;)
Right...lol
I'm seeing them in Minneapolis on the 13th
Sweet, enjoy it. We had a blast in Nashville this weekend.
I don’t think this song is gonna be on an album, but unsure. Sabaton history was the premiere of this song and Pär explained it in that episode. (Under the weather today so I have no energy to explain atm)
Thanks Devin. Feel better soon. 😌
@@TouchyReactions yep. Feeling better now, but bored.
Was it Indy who said "He opened pandoras box"? I have to rewatch it, but he was right. Fritz Haber was that brilliant, he could switch a blessing for mankind to a very new way of killing just everything that has to breath or just being there. BUT, he just was the first, thats what makes his achievements shadie
Father of chemical warfare
@@TouchyReactions just on the spot. Being first isnt allways a blessing
They will release 3 EPs in the comming Months. Weapons of the Modern Age is the first one.
Fun times
Yeah its a Mindfuck. I thought if I was the General and had this Weapon to my disposal, the Question would be: "Do the Mothers of my Soldiers cry or do theirs?" and I would damn the Guy who gave me that Weapon. But who the Fuck is to blame? Think you are the Scientist and find Stuff that makes your Soldiers die less... and I fucking hate it
Fed more then he killed
exactly, his research and breakthroughs will continue to feed people long after we are all dead and gone
I think this is very much a case of hindsight being 20-20 and the tendency of people viewing some aspects of history in black and white. There was no preconception or standards when it came to chemical warfare yet; And from the perspective of someone who wants to help bring a swift end to the war, it does seem like a rather efficient way to do so much like the concept of the atomic bomb in world war 2. You can also say the use of chemical warfare in WWI created the stigma against the use of chemical weapons, which would have no doubt eventually been invented with or without Haber, perhaps with increased lethality had they come along later on and had we not already realized how terrible they were.
Yeah, tragic ending for Habers wife is depressing. Sadly for every story of Maria Skłodowska-Curie, there were 10 like those, woman had to trully struggle to get their recognition, including full support of their families to get the recognition they deserved at the time.
Tragic 😥
Is this weird? i noticed that they dropped new song and first thing was to look if you already made reaction to it 😂
Haha, I did that, too!!
Glad, I was there this time. Thanks 😊
My first thought (after listening to it like 5 times) was, I wonder if touchy knows yet... 😂
A really unusual Sabaton song. Not sure yet if I like it or not. The story is interesting but I don't know what to think of the music itself. I feel like I'll have to listen to this song a few more times before making up my opinion. The chorus slaps but the verses and the bridge are just... weird. Not necessarily bad, but weird.
Though I felt the same way about some other songs by Sabaton, like Dreadnought for example, and now they are some of my favourites
I like the weirdness of it (because of course I do...). The guitars are great, too. I'm not overly enthusiastic about the lyrics, though. They're a little too much on the nose. But as you said, I suspect this is one of those songs you have the listen to a few times.
That's where I was too.
Haber didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize. He won the prize for chemistry. There are five different nobel prize categories, and he was never recognized as someone who promoted global peace.
Yes, my mistake.
Can't help but feel this as a parallel to Putrid Putin and his orcs threatening nuclear strikes.... a timely warning if it is.... or is it me? Anyway, not a favourite of mine, but it's ok.
I am conflicted about him, still don't know where I stand.
It's a hard one.
They are doing e,ps
like atom bomb?
Yes that too