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Dogfighting Spitfires... And Winning: Bf 109 G-14 (War Thunder)
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The roll rate of the bf 109 hurts my brain. The early models anyway.
Well, it’s not THAT fast, since it’s not just roll going on. Rudder is the key.
All 109s have good and responsive rudder, so all of them can enhance roll with it in a big way. Like, an 109 which uses the rudder can easily outroll a yak which for some reason does not. The only drawback is it demands some practice to apply just enough rudder into a roll and not overuse it so you can use that in controlled manner, either maintaining enough energy at the end of an overshoot or keep your nose on target and not impede your aim with excessive sideslip.
Using the rudder really helps
@@EriIaz i played for years on ps4 without even knowing what rudder was.now that i play on pc it's a whole new plane
I swear the 109 e 1 literally cant do a full 180 roll.
@@level30boss27 Don't swear, it really can! I know, it's not an F-86F-40 in arcade, but the situation isn't that bad. In fact, it's not bad at all. You must be doing something wrong if the aircraft doesn't roll for you. I suspect you either use your 109 at sub-optimal speeds or you engage a rolling game against the planes you shouldn't even considering. Or both.
You might be surprised, but the aileron roll rate of G-14 doesn't differ all that much from E-1. If you compare them at _equal speeds_, you'll find out both have pretty much the same roll rates. And if you add some gundops (you really shouldn't but the option exists), all of sudden E-1 rolls better than G-14! The reason why E-1 feels sluggish for you is simple: you are more likely to find yourself at slow speed in E-1 as opposed to G-14, the latter has a hell of a power-plant after all. You see, the ailerons of 109s are not very responsive at slow speeds, they are most efficient around 400km/h IAS, not 220 km/h, there is just not enough airflow around them to change your attitude as fast as you want them to when you are slow. It's true for a lot of planes, but 109 is the best representation of the effect.
But guess what is responsive even at slow speed? Your RUDDER! That thing provides sufficient kick to push your 109 though a full 360 degrees barrel at any speed because even if your speed equals zero, you still have a spinning propeller which pushes a lot of air along your fuselage and your tail section, so your rudder always has some airflow to work with as long as your engine is running. I know, it's primarily intended to produce yaw, but it also generates some induced roll, which is a desired effect in this case. And 109s are really good at this: they had to have big rudders due to their gear design and plans for ever more powerful engine upgrades.
Another problem could be you engaging some rolling maneuvers against things like I-16 or, god forbid, trying to force an overshoot against a biplane. That's a big no-no! Even if you could roll fast enough to keep up with them, you just can't win there since you don't have pitch-up authority of I-153 or acceleration of I-16. Rolling or not, you are a sitting duck if you are out speed and altitude against them. Ofc they can make a severe mistake too, but you shouldn't really expect that. Expect them to play from their strengths and act accordingly: never dump your energy against them, always stay fast or above and out of their guns, going slow only makes sense if you are clear and above and also can achieve a perfect firing solution as the result of your maneuver, but at this point you should be confident and proficient at what you are doing. You mostly want to stay high, fast and harass them nonstop. That strategy synergies with the advantages of 109 in high speed handling and energy retention.
As one wise man said, if you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.
Ahh, actual audio now.
Imposible...
Ah another vid I see you in
I've mastered props. Now I have to master aiming :/
Same
And master baiting for teammates
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I was stupid forgot the password. I appreciate any assistance you can give me.
@Santiago Micah instablaster =)
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Please do a video on the Blackburn Firebrand just to see how bad it is even in capable hands
A rudder the height of a skyscraper, but its got some charm to it
@@Kay_213_ Yeah, I've had some really good games in the Firebrand, surprisingly.
@@Captanuki Yeah, I had a match with 3 kills in firebrand, top of my team. After 2 kills I was taunting the enemy that the firebrand was op. Oh that was a fun match
Hey spit. I recommend flying the G14 A/S, it’s a really fun plane to fly and the difference to the standard G14 is that it has an uprated turbosupercharger.
I don't think it had a TURBOsupercharger, only just a regular supercharger.
Martijn it’s called a turbosupercharger because it’s a centrifugal supercharger, which means it has the compressor of a turbo but it is powered by the engines rotation
the g14 a/s performs almost exactly the same as the g10, so just play that unless you are grinding the Italian tree
Tobi Polley true :)
GrOoVy as a car guy, force induction works likes this. If its powered by the exhaust its a turbo charger and if its belt driven its a supercharger. And dont hit me with the “its a plane not a car” it has a engine that’s powered by gas so its almost just like a car’s engine but upside down.
People can learn a lot from this. 7 years I have played this game for and this gameplay still helps me a heap.
Spit_flyer deletes Spit_fires
What a delight! ^^
Kind of ironic isnt it
Yeah this br is great, i remember a really really long dogfight with a k4 in my i225 that started at 7km and ended on the deck with the k4 about the get the drop on me but an allied p51 comes in out of nowhere and shreds the k4.
This exact situation happened to me but I was the k-4 I hate when a good dogfight is interrupted
*Famous kill quotes from our ace pilot Spit_flyer*
Spit_flyer: Might be this gentlemen right here who has decided that the trees are now his best friend
Me: lol
*Might be this gentlemen right here who has decided that the trees are now his best friend
*
Me: Ah, I see you too are a man of culture as well.
the funny has been acheived
Been playing war thunder a couple of months now. Never found more happiness than when flying this series of planes. From 1.3 to 5.7. So good.
I have never really thought about how tiny the tail wings are on german fighters
Un he is referring to elevators
I think
They don't seem that small actually. They're still around about one third the length of the main wings
tail wings lmao
The wings themselves of 109s are also very small. 109s in general are tiny planes, the K4 is only marginally heavier than a Zero lol
Gaijin, can you nerf the Spitflyer? Its win/loss ratio is insane.
How about we increase the repair cost of every vehicle instead? As shown by the recent shadow increase in repair costs for many vehicles last week
check his stats , he suck
stats is a bad way to judge someones skill. ur assuming he has had the exact same games as you and cares about his stats as much as you
He doesnt suck, he is an average player in most planes. And stats is how you judge someones effectiveness and skill
Oh. Lol I read that as spitfirs lol
Love you spitflyer keep up the amazing work
I know this video is 3 years old but I was struggling with the g-14, but after watching this video and learning from your game play I have started doing quite well in the plane, so thanks for the help man
This is the tier, dogfights between spits and Gs are amazing, true tests of skill and the reason why I love war thunder 👍
Dogfighting a Spitfire and winning... now that's some top tier flying.
YOOOOO, I used to play war thunder a lot and the G-14 was always my favorite German plane, second being the 152C. I always relished messing with Spits as this plane, it was one of my favorite energy fighters, just a beautiful plane to dogfight with.
love being able to come back to your videos after watching a bunch and putting it into play being able to say "hey thats what i do to win dogfights against X, Y, and Z". keep it up love to learn from you.
Great flying and teachings. Thanks mate!
Please upgrade to 1440p.
I need $5000 that I don't have to do that.
Playing this game is like being apart of a dogfight movie sometimes 😂
France 1944 is like Korea for props, in terms of how well it fits.
no matter what terrible decisions gaijin makes, dogfighting against players that also love history and tactics is something NO other game makes me feel, i imagine its how Total War players must feel about that sort of thing, learning about a great general and trying to use it in game....
It’s nice to see someone else use the word chunky monkey as well
I once had a dogfight with the same P51 for 10 monutes at this BR. It was 10 minutes of back and forth until I finally nailed him by the skin of my teeth. I LOVE this Br
This is a really fun video to watch
True dogfighting in top prop tier
Can't wait to get my 109 to try this out
that kill was epic when the spitfire was stalling and u came down him and rained bullets!! reminds of of that one scene in War thunders trailer "Victory is ours"
1:44 This is the dream!
I really prefer the G6 over g14. Just my preference
Is no one going to talk about that dead spitfire who managed to reach the airfield?
I’m researching the g-14 now
I've started coming back to the 109 g14 and I struggled but thanks to spitflyer here to making the vid
Spitfire LF's when Spitflyer fights them: *can barely keep up with a BF 109 in the vertical at 6000 meters*
Spitfire LF's when i fight them: *can keep up with a Ta 152, moving at 400kmh in the vertical, at 6000 meters, with no issues*
Yeah once a spitfire gets up around 5.5k plus it’s a dangerous game
you deserve more views mate
My man every vid you put out is better than netflix or listening to Phly cry about broken shit. I watch your vids to get in that gaming mood before i game. Thank you very, much for not complaining about all the things wrong with this game. All games have issues. You make playing Warthunder fun. I look forward to all your new vids. Thank you very much for your effort. Its working and i love playing.
hey spit! can you cover some of the Japanese props? such as the a7m and the n1k? you haven't been putting any Japanese planes in a long time in the channel
If he fly the a7m2, he may kill all the usa fighters in the match v:
The best speed for climbing in the g14 and g10 without gun pods is 230-240 kph for anyone who needs it
My favorite 109 is the F4 trop, I have something like 130 ground player kills and like 50 air kills
there is legendary player ,,fmt3'' and he have over 20k battles only in B-29 and thousands in Ju 288C
G2 is my favourite 109, it's amazing
Michal opalka its rare for me to not se fmt3 atleast once whiles i play lol.
@@MegaGamerdude97 i read on internet that it's old dude, like he's over 60, so he propably have alot of time
@Guilherme Leite 288 is way more fun than sitting in a straight line and clicking spacebar
Let me explain how this man won the fight (in a good way). Bf's and Spitfires have almost the same maneuverability, however spitfires are very big energy eaters compare to Bf's, what you can see in the footage is half dogfighting half boom and zooming, the Bf-109 climbs up and pretends to be an easy pray, the spitfire falls to the trap and follows, but because it has lost all it's energy while dogfighting the Bf-109, it stunts, and the Bf-109 can attack.
u are amazing man. keep the nice work. trie the ta 152 . its the best german plane to me
I kinda liked the video without the audio too. Nice and peaceful with just the sounds of roaring engines and the excitement of the dog fights
Looks like the sound finally caught up lol
Proves the fact that turning isnt always the best
yes a new spit_flyer vid ! love your content man keep it up!
That. Was. Fookin. Epic. Wish i can do that lmao.
My tipp: Run to him, shoot him, kill and when you failed you are death
Spit... I gotta say... I love my 5.3 and 5.7 brits... I just understand the super prop meta so much more than early jets, I still love my meteor a bunch, but tepsests and griffion spits are where it's at for me
Finally some good fucking audio
I won't lie I love my 109s and the universal belts confuse me. But you do you. Nice vid.
Tip for headons?: afterwards turn right or left never up or down
Wow this was a great vid spit thanks for all the great pilot skill
I'm supposed to have mastered props at that tier? But I've already got my first jet and still can't shoot a single enemy down :\
7:56 Weight has no affect on dive speed, all objects regardless of mass are pulled at a rate of 9.8 m/s per second to the ground. Great video btw!
Weight Is Mass*9.8 mass Is a factor
@@damianococurullo5821 There is a great video that demonstrates what I said from the Apollo mission. czcams.com/video/KDp1tiUsZw8/video.html
Old comment I know, but while that is true in a vacuum, in an atmosphere things behave differently. Air resistance will have less effect on denser objects because it acts upon an area, not a mass. The heavier object (with roughly the same frontal area as the lighter one) will fall faster.
@@TheJimAnd I never thought of that thanks my dude
In my case, I lose my team too often and have to dive to the deck, then I get swarmed with no teammates in sight, because they're all dead.
I hear you say your aim is potato aim a lot...but your flying is definitely on point. Keep up the good work!
pls make a vid with the typhoon who has 4x 20mm
i wouldnt say im good at WT air battles run at 20 FPS on average and its pretty hard to play competitively but at this BR i can shine and i do very well and i have amazing dogfights regardless if i lose its just so much fun playing at a 5.3 BR
Im gonna be real, im not a fan of the g2, with the engine overheat and the planes it faces having almost negative stall speeds, it's too stressful. The g14 has the speed to make flying it, way more relaxed and methodical. Which is what i like
I like how you can use the prop pitch on the 109 as a air brake. It's really usefull in a dive or if you want to slow down fast. You put 100% prop pitch without any throttle or you will lose your engine in seconds and just watch your speed bleed
Only do this with the G-2 or later though. If you try it on the earlier models or Fw-190s it will just blow up the engine. Actually, I don't know about the inline-engine Fw-190s or Ta-152s, I'll have to test it on them.
The last guys had really poor aim they could kill you many times also you make great vids
So is this plane better than the g-10?
Imo 109 and 190 can be super easy mode, especially if you energy fight with it, and you nuke spits if you touch them.
I had a impressive 1v1 dogfight with a spitfire and I was in a 3.3 zero it lasted At least 6 minutes we couldnt manage to shoot each other eventually he made the wrong move and got the kill it was one of the best dogfights i have had in a while
"If ur not having fun try something else". Man. Isnt that true.
Could you please do a video on the Yak 3P or the Yak 9P?
Dont mind me just gathering info on how to fly the japanese bf109
Hey spit flyer, can u make a vid on venom fb 4 ? attempt 3
keep up the work my friend ;)
On Xbox 1 its hard to dog fight at all. Only plan that responds perty well is the bi plans. I did manage to take away pont to aim option but its so jumpy you cant shot noting cause sensativity is way to high when trying to aim.
The Spitfire mk 9 is the best Spitfire in my opinion
Love the vid as always
ive already watched this without the voice audio lol
I wondered what happened to this video - I intended to watch the first one but couldn't find it... wondered if it was an old upload. Now I know.
I am Royally shit at High BR props and also high BR jets. Like I do well in low br props and 7.0 to 9.0 jets but above that I get clapped
What tactics Should the Spits have used to have a meaningful effect?
BIG CHINGUS 8:11
Wait you are telling me you can kill underpowered undertiered planes with no energy retention?
Sounds good mate
Hey could you lay the ta 154?
Thanks for the videos :)
I researched the A 21 RB
i fucking love your videos keep it up
Can you make video/give advice about how to get better in playing French yak 3?
Speaking of really good fights I had one in the Tempest Mk II last night on the el alamein map with that forward airfield which I used for safety reasons, I probably could have made the rear airfield with the 2mins 30 sec of fuel I had but I decided to use to forward one anyway once we had all taken off and got into fighting I noticed I was in an uptier mostly facing He 162s they also had a Narwhal, a G56 and some 109K-4s I started off by taking some shots at a 288 and despite being on stock guns and belts set him on fire but oddly enough gaijoobles said nooooo and gave the kill to a friendly AM-1 I got an assist though so I was happy then started try get over and make some moves on a 162 but found myself getting targeted by the G56 I was a little worried about this as my plane was mostly stock I had fuselage and airframe and half of belts done and that was it, dodged his first attack, then had a K-4 join the fight had a quick head on but I just loosed off a burst and then dodged and then while I was fighting these 2 a 162 came and threw down with us so I'm here fighting these 3 dudes on my own having the time of my life looking around like a headless chicken trying to keep tabs on all of them, the K-4 put himself in front of my guns so I turned him into a fireball that went into the ground (we were fighting on the deck) then quickly had to dodge both the G56 and 162 who were both shooting at me at the same time, the 162 ran out of ammo and buggered off and I ended up extending away from the 56 to get some speed back then he got engaged by a friendly AM-1 (same guy who got my 288 kill) since I had brought him down to the deck so I turned and helped him out I had another go at the 56 but my aim was potato and the AM-1 got him while he was slow after fighting me loved that fight
Damn, sounds more like arcade to me.
Eugene Villanueva Hahahaha well I'm ashamed to admit that when I started playing war thunder I was solely an arcade pleb nothing but arcade for a solid year and a half I could count on one hand the RB matches I played in that time (I've been playing for about 3 years now maybe more with a break after the IS-7 event I didn't play until they did the good old summer event after the IS-7 one, and another break when snow runner came out) but for the last year and a half maybe more I've been strictly a realistic battle player
@@legend2460 Ah, understandable. I was solely an arcade user for planes until till american cannon mustang, than tried out the Germans. went straight into rb. now I am nearing the bf 109 k4 and such, this all happened in 4 months. Germany is very nice.
Eugene Villanueva yea man I've thoroughly enjoyed played German fighters and even their bombers are nice (yes I'm a horrible team member that flies bombers lol) I love the 109s and the Ta 152s preferably the C-3 that thing is a beast, right now I'm flying the Me 262a1 and the 262 A1a/U1, got my He162 spaded about a week ago, chipping away at the Arado C3 and have yet to fly the Ho229 which I need to so I can use it with my 7.3 tanks in ground battles
@@legend2460 Damn, I'll be catching you soon enough!
This man has to play the mig 3
Another great video keep it up :D
1440 p when?
JK love ur content man this is some skilled stuff right here
As soon as I can get the money for it :(
@@Spitflyer I'd watch ads for you
I just got this one, super fun!
u r such a happy man. u have no depression
Aarav Subberwal I have depression, but since I play Russian tanks their barrels have none
If you lose a dogfight to a Bf-109 while in a Spitfire, you are quite bad.
You watch to many movies the 109 is superior study it.
Hey spit I logged in today and all my key bindings were gone. You have any idea why?
Sometimes i encountered the same problem, 1. The game launch an update when you're still playing, 2. Your computer shut down because of something (like the force restart or electric shut down)
Thanks for addressing ias + tas :)
I was wondering if its worth it to spade the 109g14 but i might give it a try
yo BSBW u done.
my fav 109
Hay could you plz play the sea hawk for the next vid? (The scone and tea one)
Hey, man, make sure to lower the volume of the audio track that has your gameplay audio. It should be in the yellow, while your voice audio track should be in the green, but not clipping into the red in your editing software.
you should fly the f4u4b is so much fun
Do a video on the one with the 30mm
Being heavy does not effect your speed in a dive.
it affects your acceleration in a dive
Has the fm changed? If not then the G10 is the better choice
Hey spit, pls make a video of the c.202EC
background volume good, voiceover quiet
Now dogfight zeros
Kinda sad you can’t play as Aussie planes cause they are cool