Preach is an invaluable addition to the FF community he highlights most of the underrated side content and brings them to the players attention. I know there are existing guides on treasure maps but sadly most of them did not take off
Been playing since shadowbringer release and cuz of his vid I actually found out about treasure maps and did some yesterday with pf and it was hella fun
Lets be honest a lot of FFXIV guides on youtube dont take off lmfao Preach does a good job signal boosting the more overlooked parts of FFXIV but guides in general is received lukewarm since the game just doesnt encourage you to go out of your way to watch guides
I remember watching him trying to blindly get a feel for the Titania fight before he played FF14 and thinking that he would be brilliant if he was able to overcome his initial preconceptions on the game.
@@NeFlorence FFXIV on social media in general is pretty much dead. Only on twitter is it thriving and thats largely because of g-posers. Not to forget the lewd pictures and videos of someones Miqo'te or Viera that has at minimum 500 mods dedicated to the boobs alone. FFXIV on twitter is a different game entirely.
the best way to do treasure maps is half drunk with a group of friends on discord. Nothing about it is overly demanding and there's nothing you can 'ruin' if you mess up the mechanics. But you can still do your entirely weekly gear token grind in in a couple of hours so you don't ever have to choose between this or progressing your character. It's not an either/or proposition, which is great. it's simple but brilliant from a design philosophy. The whole thing isn't over-designed, it just exists as a way for players to have some fun with other players
Yeah, I used to do maps with a friend's FC and we were doing really really badly one night. Then we did the map of a guy who'd been drinking vodka all night and was at that point VERY drunk. He took us to the bottom level. First time we'd ever seen it. Us shouting for him to get the vodka became a running joke whenever our luck was going bad.
@@jesperjohansson9857 uh-huh, because there's any way you can actually make that argument make a lick of sense... you don't even get a gold star for effort on this one
@@jesperjohansson9857 Really depends on how you go about it. I save up maps from different expansions, so whenver me n' my friends get together we get thru many-many different dungeons with different rewards. Get some drinks n' have fun.
True! As a parent of 2, I liken it to "suggesting" to my kids, the things I would like to see them do to better themselves -VS- trying to "force" them to do something.... In other words, they're MUCH more inclined to do something if they a choice. I hope that makes sense.. lol
God I love Preach covering and discovering FF systems and why people love them. I hope he gets to open dialogue with the dev team like Asmon did with Rich because he is super insightful about everything concerning MMOs.
I think the Square Enix LA division already watch his videos and also visited his streams a few times. So yeah he probably will get open dialogue with the dev team soon.
Yall cap too much for ffxiv its not that great fuck that game I cant understand how some of u losers can play this trash for 10years theres no point playing lmfao
SE team did reach out to him and ask him to play Strangers of paradise in a sponsored stream, which he also liked. This scenario will happen naturally no need for hopium
It would've been funny as hell if he could have hidden the fact he was going through a hair transplant, and played it off as if switching to FF was THE thing that made his hair grow back.
The unique crafting material rewards you actually get out of the Treasure Maps aren't even particularly important for gameplay as they're only used in making housing items and glamour gear. It's 100% optional content, no power to be gained by doing it or lost by ignoring it. The only things you get are effectively fun and gil.
@@ich3730 the only time FFXIV raiding had to survive anything was Gordias. Savage and Ultimate are still attracting lots of raiders, ain't no stopping people wanting to flex.
lets be fair here, sometimes that is where the real money is, lvl 80 maps are still worth doping because the rebel set on my server still sells for a shit ton of gil
@@freakindamnshiki The Rebel/Urban gear has steadily gone up in price since EW release... Which can fairly easily be attributed to less people doing level 80 maps leading to a shrinking supply of materials.
there is some misconception out there where some people think that FFXIV didnt had any content so the players leave the game and played another games time to time, like Preach said, its not FFXIV didnt had any content to engage in the game, but the game are designed so people can choose what you want to do or not, there are reward in the games by doing those activities, but if you didnt think you want that specific reward you can skip it, most of the rewards didnt had anything to do with your characters power/progression except leveling your other jobs, so you didnt need to do it over and over again if you dont want to, yeah some people think its not good if they didnt had any short of repeated mechanism in the game to keep people playing the game so you gonna run out of content soon, but from my experience on FFXIV its kinda like win-win situation for me, because of it i can played others games without worry that i gonna fall behind laters,
@@janundsoo True, boring is good word to explained it, im not someone who played 1 games only, so if the game keep "forcing" you to play that specific one game, its make me bored.. indeed if FFXIV do that too, i would rather played something else than comeback to that game time to time again, thats why FF such a good game..
One of the biggest problems I have with 14 (as a veteran player who considers it their main MMO) is that the devs don't really advertise content. Raids are in the duty finder, that's great, they eventually put gold saucer in the duty finder, that's great. But in order to even know about maps, wonderous tales, custom deliveries, beast tribe quests, and even palace of the dead, you have to go out of your way to find the NPC every time. I would love if the game gave you reminders of these pieces of content, ways to tie them back to the core loop (such as achievement reminders), and just more reasons to do them. The relic weapon is supposed to serve that purpose too, imagine if there was a relic step that needed maps, or items from wonderous tales, suddenly people would be doing them way more (we saw this with PotD, which saw a growth in interest when relic drops were put in there)
@@lambdafish291 indeed, FFXIV its not free from problems either, for example some people on my static go on adventure in elder rings/Lost Ark, sometimes they even forget the schedule haha, even in the raids some even forget the boss mechanics maybe because their mind was not into it honestly, so we need to prog step by step again, so its was suck to people who still focus in the game and sometimes, it put them on weird spot, they understand people wish to try the other games, but at the same times those thing happened, so what you said about that problems its kinda true, even in streaming too, after the streamer finish the MSQ, people kinda stop to watch regularly, because the main dish already done, people didnt care much about the dessert/side dish, thats the problem imho, when you make 1 aspect on the game super good, the others content on the game seemed poor in comparisons even you know its not necessesary true.. in FFXIV story super good, but at the same time it overshadow the others things like raid etc to certain extent even on the player bases. so people from the outside think that FFXIV is all about story game where everything else is just relatively so-so.. so im agreed 100% with you, dev team maybe need to think how to promote the others content too so its not fallen behind on people mind..
Ooof man if i have a tip to give completing a strike gives 50-60 percent on the deepsight so if you keep ad clearing with the weapon you can easily do 1 or more deepsights per strike
@@ali18y84 yeah its about 33 - 35% for activity completion and its nice when you have a few but I had about 100 sitting in my vault so I'm doing the shuro chi check point.
@@blugill2273 alot of good videos out there explaining how deepsight works. If you're looking for some good destiny youtubers I would recommend. Datto ( his the asmon of destiny, good for guides) Sweatcicle (hard-core raider and good entertainment) Aztecross (good source of destiny updates, weekly reset, and news) my name is byf, myelin games, and evaze (like the lore? want to know more? Those 3 have hundreds of hours worth of destiny lore videos) Th3Jez and mp edits ( the funny entertainment kind of videos) evanf1997 ( this guys gose though the history of destiny, things the community has done, every raid race, every epic moment we the players got to see or do) and I could easily add an other 30 names to this list.
This is the reason I enjoy eureka. There are times I find myself craving the vanilla wow levelling experience. It's not very often, and not for very long, but sometimes I want to have combat where accidentally pulling more than 1 mob can kill me, and I have to balance consecutive pulls with not dying. Pulling the biggest mob I can reliably kill and be hyper aware of mobs I don't want to pull. It's thrilling if I'm not forced to do it. Eureka scratches that itch when I want it.
Not to mention the objective log, that also rewards you for killing things in Eureka, making it a slow burn objective, but also feeling great. I don't think it's as rewarding once you reach max level in there tho.
@@Rytom I don't know if I will ever reach the end of eureka. I do it for maybe half an hour per month. It's not much, but it's not zero either. And when I do engage with it, I'm always glad it's there. I am glad it's there in the game as a way to scratch an itch every once in a while.
What's amazing about the monotonous gathering grind in FF14 is that you're not in direct competition with everyone else. And you pick the specific thing you want to gather from each node.
I know it's not the focus of the video, but I always enjoy the pure adulation Asmon has whenever he sees chocobos. If you go back to see even his reaction to the Stormblood trailer, he takes a moment to appreciate the chocobos kwehing there too.
I have kids and don't have more than 1-2hrs a day with free time. So the casual approach that FFXIV is giving their players really makes it possible for me to play an MMO and enjoy it in a very small amount of time.
Except of fact that this goes againts casuals. Or did you missed that part you have to create raid groups for this type content actualy manage to do? Thats super anticasual.
@@jakubpelikan2393 you literally just put up a group in party finder and fill at least 4 players. It’s super casual. Don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@jakubpelikan2393 yeah these don't need a full raid group to clear at all, 3-4 players is fine, certain job combos make them even easier and any lv70 and 60 maps can be done with blue mage which breaks any and all traditional content in the game because it's a joke class
It's kind of amazing when you play other games than WOW you realize just how much bad stuff you tolerated over the years and realize just how much nonsense and crap you put up with it because it was WOW.
Felt like that with FF14 , got to level 38 after "engaging port here and fast travel here to hand in stuff here to head back to the first npc hand in content" and I was like... this bland static world is absolute trash.
it is normal to be burned out after years of playing one game. What you enjoyed few years ago in WoW you may not enjoy today because you already experienced it so it may be better to try new fresh games. Different new/returning and current players will meanhwile continue to enjoy WoW as it is
1. Gambling: if you win then you get benefits. If you fail, then you get drawbacks more. It's random. Your life is affected by the game you play. 2. Fun games: enjoy casual and/or highend contents. The thing is we don't lose anything if we fail. The game isn't exhausting to play. That's the difference between gambling and fun games.
hell yeah casual nao, we should get rewarded loot for pulls on a boss, not defeating it! it's basically gambling anytime anything is competitive so we should remove it entirely. nobody can feel bad for not killing the boss if nobody gets to kill the boss!
@@grizzly311tr Imagine I was a casual gamer lmao. Impossible. But yeah, not sure what you mean, but gambling makes you poor irl, affects someone's interaction with others, etc. If a game doesn't affect your life, then the game isn't gambling. For example, some people like elden ring as a competitive game, but it doesn't contain any gambling. Games dont have to be an mmo. Think again.
I do treasure maps all the time, they're just fun to do with friends. And if you actually are the person who just likes to grind, they're not to shabby for gil.
@@continuallyblessed44 It depends on the Treasure Map you get; if you have a lv 60(Dragonskin), 70(Gazelleskin), 80(Zonureskin) or 90(Kumbhiraskin) Map, it will say "full party (eight players) recommended" and THOSE maps have a chance to spawn a portal.
Weird how boring FFXIV is and how every streamer in the world quit because it was so boring, yet here we are just saying weird things like "makes people want to keep coming back to it" when literally nobody is coming back. All the numbers are skewed to when the streamers were playing it at their peak, because it was a fad. FFXIV's 15 minutes of fame are up and will eventually just be a sidenote of a game that Asmon tried and everyone followed, till they all got bored and quit.
Didn't discover treasure maps until Shadowbringers, I always just sell the maps cause I thought they were the same thing as the lower tier ones where you can just go to a spot and open a chest for some so and so rewards. It wasn't until my FC started doing them and getting me into it did I ended up in a rabbit hole
Its the reason I enjoy enchanting in classic you either pay by gold or you do dungeons for items you disenchant, its not fast but it atleast make you play the game in a en engaging way instead of zooming around watching the minimaps for nodes.
Patience, not having time, kids...it's not about any of that. It's about having fun! Preach has kids and still spent an entire day grinding maps. He didn't have to be patient...because it was fun. Regardless of your patience, time or kids, you play games to have fun. Even if you had all the time in the world, no kids and the patience of Job, why would you want to spend your time grining boring bullshit. Especially when you could be having fun!
Agreed fully, I'd consider myself a super patient person, especially interacting with people. But when I'm playing by myself or simply for my own entertainment, I've often found myself skipping out or avoiding anything that diminishes it, and there were plenty of such things in WoW. Cause why grind and make your entertainment a chore when there's tons of other things you can do that's fun? You could probably come up with multiple answers, but all of them comes down to having fun or more fun later, and why have fun later when you can have fun now and more fun later as well? Everyone is built differently, there's times that progress is fun or the reward is worth it, but you gotta weight it yourself. Still, I think everyone should value their time cause that'll make developers change their systems more than if you keep on playing it.
Keep in mind too that it's much harder for bots to farm map rewards. This leads to significant difference in market value for these items. A lot of FF's systems make bottong difficult, and as a Crafter/Gatherer "Main" it's pretty obvious what is bottable and what isn't simply by their value over time. It's not JUST fun, it's ALSO good for a stable in-game economy.
I love having the OPTION for mindless farming. For FFXIV, that's gatherers scrips and timed nodes. If I'm watching my daughter I can log in, pull up timed node timers and teleport to a zone, go to the node and play with my daughter until it pops. Then, gather it, go to the next one and play with my daughter.
The Diadem, Firmament and collectible/timed node farming are as braindead as it can get. Can't step foot on the Firmament anymore since I powerleveled all my crafters from 1-76 there (76-90 done with collectibles and GC dailies)
For me, it's actually weird hearing that people don't know about treasure maps at least in a general sense because they pop up in various spots throughout the game. Hell, they are a rewards for doing Wondrous Tails! Of course, I feel like MOST PEOPLE hear about treasure maps through their Free Company (Guild) because it's a very common community thing that really helps to bring people together in a fun environment where everyone walks away with something at the end of it. Before Endwalker, my FC would run map runs every Friday night which were so popular some weeks that we actually had to make two separate groups. This along with hitting up all the clubs and bars in the game has died down a little bit recently with the world mostly opening back up but if anyone ever wants to put a run together we keep a scheduling board in our discord where people can sign up. The best thing about treasure maps is that they're always relevant because many of the mats that you can obtain are used to craft items that are used for GLAMOUR which is the true Endgame so whether they're worth a little or a lot of money they are worth something and I've never come away from a full round of treasure maps (which is where everyone brings 2 maps with the general rule being that you role need for your maps and greed for everything else) without making at least 200-300k gil for level 60 maps and 500k plus for level 80 and higher maps.
@Asmongold your statement of "Do people still want to do this after they get the reward" is so on point. I will occasionally look for map parties despite not needing gil. I don't have any crafters leveled, so I don't need the mats that drop. It's just souch fun to run them.
"The Idea of island expeditions was really badass, it was the implementation that was problematic" that and sadly most of blizzards ideas in recent memory. Torghast sounded awesome, but most of the difficulty comes from unavoidable damage and there isn't near enough variety, so it feels pretty boring after the first few times. Warfronts, so incredibly easy that you had to actively try to lose. Could have been awesome if they were actually difficult/had a pvp mode. Current M+ running Halls of atonement gets old after the 50th time. Though there is potential in SLS4. Covenants sounded cool, but really just punished players who wanted to play more than just one type of content.
Pretty much although Torghast was actually pretty awesome for like 1 alpha build but sadly it was a great idea that was destroyed trying to fit in power rewards.
I really liked Islands in BFA. I hated the combination of "kind of mandatory X for AP" but also "Okay now don't do more than X for AP because it's horribly unrewarding and you need to do Y and Z for more AP too". I loved Warfronts. I wish there was better scaling difficulty options for those. But again it was a case of "Do 1 a week, now stop, no more rewards or goals". I quit before SHL but I called it ahead of time "Torghast is probably going to be fun but the design around it will make it a gated chore."
@@jaeusa160 lmao if you were farming ap beyond what was needed for azerite traits you were CHOOSING to waste your own time for a minimal powergain. i think players like you have more fun crying about the game than playing it. thank you for your service, your tears and self imposed humiliation are hilarious.
@@grizzly311tr What a stupid response to something I didn't say because you can't read. As expected of the Copium Andies. What I said was I liked a certain type of content, but not the combination of You Must Do X Amount and You Get Nothing For More Than X Amount. Instead of letting players largely do as much as they enjoy of things, you must do everything each week, but also a specific amount of everything. No freedom, no fun.
@@jaeusa160 just because you can run 8 mplus for 3 vault slots doesn't mean you're have to. You're again omegacrying about choosing OPTIONS. Somebody call this casual a waaaahmbulance
My savage team saves up maps and will run a bunch of them from time to time. Part of this is because not everyone likes to farm to work on professions to earn Gil... but they need potions and food to raid. One night of maps will give enough gil to buy all the food and potions for a couple weeks of raiding. We also get the high-end crafting mats that the group crafters want real bad as well. It is a win/win system. There is also quite often a super rare minion or glamor item that can drop from the final boss. The current map tier is the Golden Wings. You can use them in citys as a cosmetic item only or for the fasion event at the Golden Saucer.
I fully agree with Asmon's idea of "Do you want to keep doing the thing after you get the big reward" treasure maps for me are just like that. I don't need gil and there isn't anything I want from them right now but I still love doing them because it is just some quick fun. They are also good for people who don't want to do proffessions to get gil to be able to get consumables instead of having the only way to get them be like "Oh i need to fix up 50 of this rare fish" FF14 is really good with having multiple ways to get things you want/need. Like just getting gil. You can get it from dungeons rewards. Just putting stuff on your retainer to sell. doing these treasure maps. Framing materials or crafting. You aren't locked into a few dailies or high end crafts to make money in the game and I think that is the hall mark of a good game myself. Having choices on how to complete your goal.
I farm maps every Friday night with my FC. You get maps from gathering professions. You can buy them off the market board also. They are very profitable for group maps. Make sure you do 8 man groups. I have found using less then 8 it can cause portals to spawn less
On the topic of farming towards a reward: The systems I've enjoyed most were the ones that allowed you to farm "passively". Simply by playing the game any way you want, you will be able to get rewards that build towards late game goals. Like a certain amount of materials for example. There should be the option to grind the materials as well though! Because as you slowly creep closer towards the goal by playing the game, you might think to yourself "oh I already have over 50% (for example) of the materials! Let's grind out the last bit to get that reward!". Some might grind from the start to get the rewards they want ASAP, others might get it pretty much passively after a long time of playing.
An advantage of maps is you CAN still do the farming the normal way (if you want a more relaxed and monotonous method while doing something else, or you want to target farm something specific), but this is ANOTHER way to farm them (and given they're generated by the people farming the normal way, the prices aren't going to go too low, while if they go too high nobody will buy them so the price balances reasonably well).
i remember playing TERA few years back and if we talk about grinding levels in the game like 1-50 1-60 it was hell of a lot of fun cause you had avatar weapons they were some unique weapons for every class and you aqquired them at lv 20 all the way to 48 level and every 6 levels you got new one so you grinding some mats FROM monsters doing your story quests and you dropped avatar weap mats on ground once you were done with how many you needed you crafted avatar weapon they had really higher value cause they dps was a few times higher than regular weapons thus making lv up a lot more fun and easy made me make all diff chars to 50-60 just to try all those weapon out and you know see all those diff glows they had thats something thats missing from mmos nowdays the feel that grinding matters PS all those weapons became obsolete once you hit lv 50 cause then you grinded a new set
@@katy9291 it was something worth doing imo made levelling so much more fun unlike lets say lost ark questing for hours talking to bunch of npcs gave you a purpose to chase those weapons
An often overlooked piece of functionality when comparing systems like these is the social functionality. Preach might not be demonstrating it very well, but he was doing all this with a group.
There are different types of players. Collecting materials and skilling is its own player type. Runescape is an example where a large part of the skills is leveled through farming and crafting. For the people that like combat there is Slayer. Or having a little mix of it you have Dungeoneering. Everyone has certain content they like or don't like. Trying to cater to all different player types is difficult. The whole treasure stuff that he does is something I wouldn't care about. If you want to fix the issue of not needing to farm you need to create a system that doesn't require farming. But for every problem you fix you create a new problem. No farming? well how are you going to balance leveling skills? Distributing materials without needing to farm. If you look at everything with a min/max perspective then you'll end up doing the same thing over and over because it gives you the best rewards for the thing you're doing. I'm a skiller, I don't mind doing mindless picking up some materials. But it should be balanced that you don't need to spend hours and hours of picking up materials to progress a skill. Something like Mining and Smithing, if you need to mine hours and hours to level up once for smithing then it could get boring really quick. You'd have to balance it out somehow by introducing other activities. You could create Minigames or quests. Something limited so it doesn't make the picking up materials obsolete. Everything with balance. And that's a really tough job to get right. Especially if you have a lot of levels to balance. How much time investment is worth how much experience. How to make it all enjoyable by certain player types or for all.
What’s really happening is we are tired of grinding for hours in a game, getting bored, going to another game, just to grind some more and repeat the cycle, and it puts a bad taste in our mouth with farming/grinding.
I haven't seen this idea discussed much, but I figure it's more than an insignificant factor. Probably partial to why some people stick to one grindy game, because at least you're already ahead of the curb or in lockstep with it.
The main point is that farming is not compulsory. You don't have to do it, at least in Final Fantasy. You can just do whatever you want, play whatever job you want at anytime, and do whatever you find fun. You will still reach high/max item level (as long as you like raiding too). You don't feel like "I have to" do this and do that.
I think a example of fun grinding would be Pso2. When everybody gets together and tries to proc a "burst" which essentially is a timed event that doubles or quadruple exp and you get all these mods swarming on you while techno music is hyping you up and everyone has fun nuking them all down and collecting literally hundreds of items when the burst is finished. Grinding can be made fun if done correctly
Maps are still simple enough that they can be done while doing other things too, my FC has a player that will do Maps with us while also playing D&D, we've also set it up to do lvl60/70 maps one day and 80/90 maps the next day so that it gives players who aren't in later content yet or even people leveling other jobs can get experience.
Treasure hunts can be incredibly fun if you run it with a group of friends. When I go on Treasure Hunts with friends it always boils down to just us bantering and talking about our lives etc A little cheesy? Yeah but the it’s really one of those underlying social moments that not too many people talk about in this game
I once had a lost canals of uznair run (Stormblood room gauntlet) where we got raindbow fake-out on every single door all the way to 7. It was absolutely wild.
It really comes down to "forcing" people to do things. Because certain things were mandatory you had 2 options, either do it or fall behind. When you make majority of the content optional and the actual important parts mandatory then people feel way less forced, pressured or grinded down by majority of the game.
And what I like, is if you want to turn your brain off and farm? You can still do that in XIV. The amount of hours spent in reaping tones of Upland wheat during Shadowbringers was really nice.
This is something I noticed in LostArk, people react much better to rewards; everyone learned mechanics in event guardians because they give huge buffs, so they want to see the big numbers
Variety is king. Treasure maps are a good fun farming method, but there are so many different kinds of farming in FF. For those who want the minless grind, the Diadem is there for you. Do you like very visable progress, the next pvp update might be for you. Variety beats everything.
31:39 I'd say I think it's a good farming system, considering that I do Treasure Maps all the time and I don't think I've ever once done them to farm materials*. *Obviously I'm thrilled whenever I get some of those mats but that's not the specific reason I'm doing them.
If you don’t want to grind out things for 8 hours then those items shouldn’t be for you (however they shouldn’t be mandatory items) but I think grinds like that are important to keep hardcore players enticed. But we need a nice middle tier (3-4 hours) as average for everyone and that’s where you keep the mandatory items at
In 2019 Durango came out ( mobile game ). The game had beautiful music , great concepts , fun multiplayer. The grind for materials didn’t really feel like a grind. It was even relaxing when just being at your base the tamed island. Sadly the game couldn’t make enough money in time since it was Free game to start with and no ads , and many didnt buy any in game stuff since even farming items felt relaxing in a way. It really was a beautiful game.
I love doing treasure maps. Have gotten so many random cool items and stuff for my character. I just sell all the crafting materials to the crafters after
Treasure maps are the easiest way to make millions without having to think or know anything before hand, it’s great for a free companies to do together
my FC has a map day and i always look foward to it, it is really fun, we have a bet pool on the times someone guess the side right, want mindless content, well eureka, diadem
What’s with the weirdos in the chat screaming “lost ark copycat” when treasure maps have been a thing for YEARS in ff14? I really don’t get these people and what do they even gain from talking bs 💀
It's critically important to distinguish this sort of gambling from "problematic gambling. Yes, this is gambling, but it's also the exact type of gambling that's totally acceptable - there's no "buy in" really, if you have a gathering profession done you smack a rock periodically and get your map... You're not buying them off the cash shop or bidding massive sums of currency against bots. Worst case, you buy one from the market board which is more about passive income for gatherers than it is about a "cost" - they're usually like 60-120k gil. Then you go out and dick around with friends for 3-ish hours and maybe you get something or maybe you lose... nothing? The only thing you're 'wagering' is your time, and if it's fun did you really lose anything?
I have some history with treasure maps, I was hellbent on getting some drops that I could only obtain through treasure maps (due to free trial) so I could craft a coat. It took me months and I hated doing it, but I couldn't deny the hype of being able to solo the treasure chest enemies, and thus I got my Uraeus Coat ready for the opening cinematic of Heavensward to be my chest for Dark Knight, and it is to this day until I find something at least AS cool and that covers the chest :P Now Palace of the Dead is my demise for the goddamn Wind Silk Coatee, I would craft it but there's ONE ingredient out of the free trial (Bot buying the game out of poverty and as a stupid self imposed challenge)
Does Asmon have the saltiest chat about? Every video it's full of desperate basement dwellers who have to hate on a game they clearly fear is a threat to WoW. How anyone can have a go at ff graphics when WoW has the graphics it does.... I don't understand
Part of the reason I tend to be poor in most MMOs is I get bored really easy grinding for money or materials for my friend harvesting nodes is a very Zen thing she could just put on music and go chop down trees harvest or etc. One of the games I think that did it best was monster Hunter world ice p*** that game is nothing but a grind but they do it in such a way it doesn't even feel like it you literally do the same thing over and over and it never gets old and the best part is if you ever get tired of using one type of weapon you just swap it out for one of the 14 other types and it's a whole new experience to me the only downside was the dependence on the gems that you would have to put in for the weapons sometimes certain ones were just so rare but I think they did it right I'm not sure what it was that made the grind so enjoyable
i think the more powerfull or better a reward is, the more mandatory it will feel to get it. no matter what style the content is. there are ways to dress it up to make it more fun though.
Most real FC's run maps weekly because it generates a ridiculous amount of gold. If your FC isnt doing this, you need to leave your fc or start organizing it yourself.
I beg people to do map farming in FF14 for mats to make money. I enjoy doing them immensely and the bonus of money and cosmetic crafts is great. A big map party being involved is just so fun because its not hard, and is very social.
Torghast is beyond depressing. I would rather become a serial killer in real life and or start fires or kill puppies as a hobby than deal with anything that has to do with Torghast.
Treasure maps are just powerball lottery. You can get a roulette with 5 stages of gold treasure, you can solo as well but it’s kinda difficult since minimum should be 3 ppl or you would fail after getting to stage 3
I know BDO is infamous with the grinding stuff and combat. But the lifestyle farming was fun in a relaxing way and my favorite part of the game (Okay I know even that aspect is p2w as well)
anything that you have to do repeatedly is going to become boring, now they can concentrate on creating farming encounters to keep it fresh or they can concentrate on creating game encounters to keep that fresh, take your pick and remember it takes months for new content to actually come out. Ideally nothing in the game becomes tedious but that just isn't realistic, whether its farming raid content or farming trade skill stuff, eventually everything is on farm.
Preach is an invaluable addition to the FF community he highlights most of the underrated side content and brings them to the players attention. I know there are existing guides on treasure maps but sadly most of them did not take off
Been playing since shadowbringer release and cuz of his vid I actually found out about treasure maps and did some yesterday with pf and it was hella fun
Lets be honest a lot of FFXIV guides on youtube dont take off lmfao
Preach does a good job signal boosting the more overlooked parts of FFXIV but guides in general is received lukewarm since the game just doesnt encourage you to go out of your way to watch guides
I remember watching him trying to blindly get a feel for the Titania fight before he played FF14 and thinking that he would be brilliant if he was able to overcome his initial preconceptions on the game.
Well we are still playing arrnt we?
@@NeFlorence FFXIV on social media in general is pretty much dead. Only on twitter is it thriving and thats largely because of g-posers. Not to forget the lewd pictures and videos of someones Miqo'te or Viera that has at minimum 500 mods dedicated to the boobs alone. FFXIV on twitter is a different game entirely.
the best way to do treasure maps is half drunk with a group of friends on discord. Nothing about it is overly demanding and there's nothing you can 'ruin' if you mess up the mechanics. But you can still do your entirely weekly gear token grind in in a couple of hours so you don't ever have to choose between this or progressing your character. It's not an either/or proposition, which is great.
it's simple but brilliant from a design philosophy. The whole thing isn't over-designed, it just exists as a way for players to have some fun with other players
Yeah, I used to do maps with a friend's FC and we were doing really really badly one night. Then we did the map of a guy who'd been drinking vodka all night and was at that point VERY drunk. He took us to the bottom level. First time we'd ever seen it. Us shouting for him to get the vodka became a running joke whenever our luck was going bad.
Doing hours of treasures Maps is even more chore than choreghast 🤮
@@jesperjohansson9857 Then don't do them... It's not like it's mandatory or anything
@@jesperjohansson9857 uh-huh, because there's any way you can actually make that argument make a lick of sense... you don't even get a gold star for effort on this one
@@jesperjohansson9857 Really depends on how you go about it.
I save up maps from different expansions, so whenver me n' my friends get together we get thru many-many different dungeons with different rewards. Get some drinks n' have fun.
If you make it fun and NOT MANDATORY, you can get people interested in all sorts of systems.
Also, shout outs to the chocobo plushie.
I got a moogle plushie
True! As a parent of 2, I liken it to "suggesting" to my kids, the things I would like to see them do to better themselves -VS- trying to "force" them to do something.... In other words, they're MUCH more inclined to do something if they a choice. I hope that makes sense.. lol
It’s Alpha from the Omega raids, but it’s basically a robot Chocobo.
@@samb123078 Is that one of the Alpha plushies? I know they have a couple of him in the full Garlond Ironworks getup.
Yall are a fucking cult.
"OMG THIS IS SO GOOD THIS IS SO GOOD" like shut the fck up man, you weebs ruined this channel.
God I love Preach covering and discovering FF systems and why people love them. I hope he gets to open dialogue with the dev team like Asmon did with Rich because he is super insightful about everything concerning MMOs.
I think the Square Enix LA division already watch his videos and also visited his streams a few times. So yeah he probably will get open dialogue with the dev team soon.
Oh he will definitely get it SE knows how to take care of their content creators
Yall cap too much for ffxiv its not that great fuck that game I cant understand how some of u losers can play this trash for 10years theres no point playing lmfao
He 100% will. He's an active player, active content creator and basically gets more views than all "old school" content creators combined.
SE team did reach out to him and ask him to play Strangers of paradise in a sponsored stream, which he also liked. This scenario will happen naturally no need for hopium
Preach stops playing WoW and switches to FF14 and his hair grew back.
@@dafire9634 More like great hairline.
It would've been funny as hell if he could have hidden the fact he was going through a hair transplant, and played it off as if switching to FF was THE thing that made his hair grow back.
The unique crafting material rewards you actually get out of the Treasure Maps aren't even particularly important for gameplay as they're only used in making housing items and glamour gear.
It's 100% optional content, no power to be gained by doing it or lost by ignoring it. The only things you get are effectively fun and gil.
@@ich3730 the only time FFXIV raiding had to survive anything was Gordias. Savage and Ultimate are still attracting lots of raiders, ain't no stopping people wanting to flex.
lets be fair here, sometimes that is where the real money is, lvl 80 maps are still worth doping because the rebel set on my server still sells for a shit ton of gil
@@freakindamnshiki The Rebel/Urban gear has steadily gone up in price since EW release... Which can fairly easily be attributed to less people doing level 80 maps leading to a shrinking supply of materials.
Asmon is going to love that little plushie even more when he goes through the Omega raids.
Update, he didn't make it this far
there is some misconception out there where some people think that FFXIV didnt had any content so the players leave the game and played another games time to time, like Preach said, its not FFXIV didnt had any content to engage in the game, but the game are designed so people can choose what you want to do or not, there are reward in the games by doing those activities, but if you didnt think you want that specific reward you can skip it, most of the rewards didnt had anything to do with your characters power/progression except leveling your other jobs, so you didnt need to do it over and over again if you dont want to, yeah some people think its not good if they didnt had any short of repeated mechanism in the game to keep people playing the game so you gonna run out of content soon, but from my experience on FFXIV its kinda like win-win situation for me, because of it i can played others games without worry that i gonna fall behind laters,
Boring
@@janundsoo True, boring is good word to explained it, im not someone who played 1 games only, so if the game keep "forcing" you to play that specific one game, its make me bored.. indeed if FFXIV do that too, i would rather played something else than comeback to that game time to time again, thats why FF such a good game..
@@janundsoo imagine having the attention span of an autistic goldfish. Go outside more often or talk to a female that isn't ur sister. Lol
One of the biggest problems I have with 14 (as a veteran player who considers it their main MMO) is that the devs don't really advertise content. Raids are in the duty finder, that's great, they eventually put gold saucer in the duty finder, that's great. But in order to even know about maps, wonderous tales, custom deliveries, beast tribe quests, and even palace of the dead, you have to go out of your way to find the NPC every time. I would love if the game gave you reminders of these pieces of content, ways to tie them back to the core loop (such as achievement reminders), and just more reasons to do them. The relic weapon is supposed to serve that purpose too, imagine if there was a relic step that needed maps, or items from wonderous tales, suddenly people would be doing them way more (we saw this with PotD, which saw a growth in interest when relic drops were put in there)
@@lambdafish291 indeed, FFXIV its not free from problems either, for example some people on my static go on adventure in elder rings/Lost Ark, sometimes they even forget the schedule haha, even in the raids some even forget the boss mechanics maybe because their mind was not into it honestly, so we need to prog step by step again, so its was suck to people who still focus in the game and sometimes, it put them on weird spot, they understand people wish to try the other games, but at the same times those thing happened, so what you said about that problems its kinda true, even in streaming too, after the streamer finish the MSQ, people kinda stop to watch regularly, because the main dish already done, people didnt care much about the dessert/side dish, thats the problem imho, when you make 1 aspect on the game super good, the others content on the game seemed poor in comparisons even you know its not necessesary true.. in FFXIV story super good, but at the same time it overshadow the others things like raid etc to certain extent even on the player bases. so people from the outside think that FFXIV is all about story game where everything else is just relatively so-so.. so im agreed 100% with you, dev team maybe need to think how to promote the others content too so its not fallen behind on people mind..
It's funny I pulled up this video to have something to watch as I was farming deepsight weapons in Destiny XD
Ooof man if i have a tip to give completing a strike gives 50-60 percent on the deepsight so if you keep ad clearing with the weapon you can easily do 1 or more deepsights per strike
just started a week ago and sent really know what these deepsight and the mats included for aside from glaive thing
@@ali18y84 yeah its about 33 - 35% for activity completion and its nice when you have a few but I had about 100 sitting in my vault so I'm doing the shuro chi check point.
@@blugill2273 alot of good videos out there explaining how deepsight works. If you're looking for some good destiny youtubers I would recommend. Datto ( his the asmon of destiny, good for guides) Sweatcicle (hard-core raider and good entertainment) Aztecross (good source of destiny updates, weekly reset, and news) my name is byf, myelin games, and evaze (like the lore? want to know more? Those 3 have hundreds of hours worth of destiny lore videos) Th3Jez and mp edits ( the funny entertainment kind of videos) evanf1997 ( this guys gose though the history of destiny, things the community has done, every raid race, every epic moment we the players got to see or do) and I could easily add an other 30 names to this list.
This is the reason I enjoy eureka. There are times I find myself craving the vanilla wow levelling experience. It's not very often, and not for very long, but sometimes I want to have combat where accidentally pulling more than 1 mob can kill me, and I have to balance consecutive pulls with not dying. Pulling the biggest mob I can reliably kill and be hyper aware of mobs I don't want to pull. It's thrilling if I'm not forced to do it. Eureka scratches that itch when I want it.
Not to mention the objective log, that also rewards you for killing things in Eureka, making it a slow burn objective, but also feeling great. I don't think it's as rewarding once you reach max level in there tho.
Nah, you like whatever the fuck Eureka is because you're shit at WoW so you're playing this weeb ass game so you can win something for once.
It sounds like you would really enjoy Solo Deep Dungeon if you haven't tried it out.
The fear of death makes staying alive exciting.
@@Rytom I don't know if I will ever reach the end of eureka. I do it for maybe half an hour per month. It's not much, but it's not zero either. And when I do engage with it, I'm always glad it's there. I am glad it's there in the game as a way to scratch an itch every once in a while.
What's amazing about the monotonous gathering grind in FF14 is that you're not in direct competition with everyone else. And you pick the specific thing you want to gather from each node.
Yes this is hugely underrated
I know it's not the focus of the video, but I always enjoy the pure adulation Asmon has whenever he sees chocobos.
If you go back to see even his reaction to the Stormblood trailer, he takes a moment to appreciate the chocobos kwehing there too.
I have kids and don't have more than 1-2hrs a day with free time. So the casual approach that FFXIV is giving their players really makes it possible for me to play an MMO and enjoy it in a very small amount of time.
Except of fact that this goes againts casuals. Or did you missed that part you have to create raid groups for this type content actualy manage to do? Thats super anticasual.
@@jakubpelikan2393 you literally just put up a group in party finder and fill at least 4 players. It’s super casual. Don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@jakubpelikan2393 yeah these don't need a full raid group to clear at all, 3-4 players is fine, certain job combos make them even easier and any lv70 and 60 maps can be done with blue mage which breaks any and all traditional content in the game because it's a joke class
@@jakubpelikan2393 yea i do this with my 2 friends lol... makes it take longer but its more than possible
Thanks for confirming my theory that FF14 is a casual ass game for people who can't handle an actual MMO like WoW 💀
Such a cute plushie that Asmon got. Maybe he'll get to see that thing in FFXIV someday.
He said the other day he will be doing MSQ again in about a week or two.
@@Vyngraven don't hold your breath
@@a40989d1 You literally die if you hold your breath 😅😅😂😂
@@MegaAndyGG you've never heard that figure of speech before?
@@a40989d1 I'm just communicating what he said, I could care less if he does or doesn't. Relax.
that plushie is the sweetest thing ever can't wait for asmon to do "that" alliance raid kweh
They’re normal raids ;)
It's kind of amazing when you play other games than WOW you realize just how much bad stuff you tolerated over the years and realize just how much nonsense and crap you put up with it because it was WOW.
Wow Andy’s are the most hopium group of people. The game is not the same as it once was and classic s enjoyable until u realize it is a finite game
Same with ffxiv its trash
Felt like that with FF14 , got to level 38 after "engaging port here and fast travel here to hand in stuff here to head back to the first npc hand in content" and I was like... this bland static world is absolute trash.
it is normal to be burned out after years of playing one game. What you enjoyed few years ago in WoW you may not enjoy today because you already experienced it so it may be better to try new fresh games. Different new/returning and current players will meanhwile continue to enjoy WoW as it is
@@arunith6100 exactly its the same old xd
Dude in chat saying “I fish in ff15” 😂
Man I fished my ass off in XV it was pretty damn good actually.
1. Gambling: if you win then you get benefits. If you fail, then you get drawbacks more. It's random. Your life is affected by the game you play.
2. Fun games: enjoy casual and/or highend contents. The thing is we don't lose anything if we fail. The game isn't exhausting to play.
That's the difference between gambling and fun games.
hell yeah casual nao, we should get rewarded loot for pulls on a boss, not defeating it! it's basically gambling anytime anything is competitive so we should remove it entirely. nobody can feel bad for not killing the boss if nobody gets to kill the boss!
@@grizzly311tr Imagine I was a casual gamer lmao. Impossible.
But yeah, not sure what you mean, but gambling makes you poor irl, affects someone's interaction with others, etc. If a game doesn't affect your life, then the game isn't gambling. For example, some people like elden ring as a competitive game, but it doesn't contain any gambling. Games dont have to be an mmo. Think again.
I do treasure maps all the time, they're just fun to do with friends. And if you actually are the person who just likes to grind, they're not to shabby for gil.
@@continuallyblessed44 It depends on the Treasure Map you get; if you have a lv 60(Dragonskin), 70(Gazelleskin), 80(Zonureskin) or 90(Kumbhiraskin) Map, it will say "full party (eight players) recommended" and THOSE maps have a chance to spawn a portal.
"OMG SO GOOD THIS CONTENT IS SO GOOD"
You FF14 cultist all type the same, shut the fck up.
Farming is hella fun. If you do it in small bursts, not everyday.
Turns out, making a game fun and engaging makes people want to keep coming back to it. Weird how that works.
Weird how boring FFXIV is and how every streamer in the world quit because it was so boring, yet here we are just saying weird things like "makes people want to keep coming back to it" when literally nobody is coming back. All the numbers are skewed to when the streamers were playing it at their peak, because it was a fad. FFXIV's 15 minutes of fame are up and will eventually just be a sidenote of a game that Asmon tried and everyone followed, till they all got bored and quit.
@@db212006 Ah yes, classical if "twich numbers are low, game's trash" what a clown.
The treasure hunts in FFXIV are amazing.
Didn't discover treasure maps until Shadowbringers, I always just sell the maps cause I thought they were the same thing as the lower tier ones where you can just go to a spot and open a chest for some so and so rewards. It wasn't until my FC started doing them and getting me into it did I ended up in a rabbit hole
Its the reason I enjoy enchanting in classic you either pay by gold or you do dungeons for items you disenchant, its not fast but it atleast make you play the game in a en engaging way instead of zooming around watching the minimaps for nodes.
Patience, not having time, kids...it's not about any of that.
It's about having fun!
Preach has kids and still spent an entire day grinding maps. He didn't have to be patient...because it was fun.
Regardless of your patience, time or kids, you play games to have fun.
Even if you had all the time in the world, no kids and the patience of Job, why would you want to spend your time grining boring bullshit. Especially when you could be having fun!
All that comes to respecting your own time again which you do when you have other responsabilities
Agreed fully, I'd consider myself a super patient person, especially interacting with people. But when I'm playing by myself or simply for my own entertainment, I've often found myself skipping out or avoiding anything that diminishes it, and there were plenty of such things in WoW.
Cause why grind and make your entertainment a chore when there's tons of other things you can do that's fun? You could probably come up with multiple answers, but all of them comes down to having fun or more fun later, and why have fun later when you can have fun now and more fun later as well?
Everyone is built differently, there's times that progress is fun or the reward is worth it, but you gotta weight it yourself. Still, I think everyone should value their time cause that'll make developers change their systems more than if you keep on playing it.
Exactly
I love running treasure maps in FFXIV!! They are so addicting. I haven’t even started a profession in ff and I will still run 7 maps in a row lol
do it for the trhills and gills
Keep in mind too that it's much harder for bots to farm map rewards. This leads to significant difference in market value for these items. A lot of FF's systems make bottong difficult, and as a Crafter/Gatherer "Main" it's pretty obvious what is bottable and what isn't simply by their value over time. It's not JUST fun, it's ALSO good for a stable in-game economy.
12:06 rift used to have something like this where u would search for high tier rifts and make raids and beat it together was awesome
I love having the OPTION for mindless farming. For FFXIV, that's gatherers scrips and timed nodes. If I'm watching my daughter I can log in, pull up timed node timers and teleport to a zone, go to the node and play with my daughter until it pops. Then, gather it, go to the next one and play with my daughter.
The Diadem, Firmament and collectible/timed node farming are as braindead as it can get. Can't step foot on the Firmament anymore since I powerleveled all my crafters from 1-76 there (76-90 done with collectibles and GC dailies)
mindless farm is eureka, that is mindless farm and diadem, damn i like mindless farm from time to time and the diedem really numbs my brain
FF14 is such a GIGACHAD MMO
I don't get how asmon can agree with preach so much here and like lost ark at the same time
Hmm, might be time to get an FF sub, never played it but it does look fun
Please do, it's awesome! 😊 And there is free trial till Heavensward! 👌
Yeah, i agree. There is massive amount of content in the free trial alone.
Cheers guys ☺️ better get the pc set up and grab a trial then haha 🤘
WELL HOW WAS IT@@jord_2wYT
Farming is fun, if you can do it freely when you want and as much as you want. Without timegating nonsense. :s
@@stu.chainz speak for yourself. I enjoy farming within reason.
The Angel wings that drop from the last boss sells for 85 million.
For me, it's actually weird hearing that people don't know about treasure maps at least in a general sense because they pop up in various spots throughout the game. Hell, they are a rewards for doing Wondrous Tails! Of course, I feel like MOST PEOPLE hear about treasure maps through their Free Company (Guild) because it's a very common community thing that really helps to bring people together in a fun environment where everyone walks away with something at the end of it. Before Endwalker, my FC would run map runs every Friday night which were so popular some weeks that we actually had to make two separate groups. This along with hitting up all the clubs and bars in the game has died down a little bit recently with the world mostly opening back up but if anyone ever wants to put a run together we keep a scheduling board in our discord where people can sign up. The best thing about treasure maps is that they're always relevant because many of the mats that you can obtain are used to craft items that are used for GLAMOUR which is the true Endgame so whether they're worth a little or a lot of money they are worth something and I've never come away from a full round of treasure maps (which is where everyone brings 2 maps with the general rule being that you role need for your maps and greed for everything else) without making at least 200-300k gil for level 60 maps and 500k plus for level 80 and higher maps.
@Asmongold your statement of "Do people still want to do this after they get the reward" is so on point. I will occasionally look for map parties despite not needing gil. I don't have any crafters leveled, so I don't need the mats that drop. It's just souch fun to run them.
I was hyped when I saw preach post the video, and now I'm hyped to see Asmon react to the video.
4:15 competitive games dont do this at all people just log on to play because it's fun
Farming less boring with friends
@1:05 Asmon must needs complete Stormblood and do the raids!
"The Idea of island expeditions was really badass, it was the implementation that was problematic" that and sadly most of blizzards ideas in recent memory. Torghast sounded awesome, but most of the difficulty comes from unavoidable damage and there isn't near enough variety, so it feels pretty boring after the first few times. Warfronts, so incredibly easy that you had to actively try to lose. Could have been awesome if they were actually difficult/had a pvp mode. Current M+ running Halls of atonement gets old after the 50th time. Though there is potential in SLS4. Covenants sounded cool, but really just punished players who wanted to play more than just one type of content.
Pretty much although Torghast was actually pretty awesome for like 1 alpha build but sadly it was a great idea that was destroyed trying to fit in power rewards.
I really liked Islands in BFA. I hated the combination of "kind of mandatory X for AP" but also "Okay now don't do more than X for AP because it's horribly unrewarding and you need to do Y and Z for more AP too".
I loved Warfronts. I wish there was better scaling difficulty options for those. But again it was a case of "Do 1 a week, now stop, no more rewards or goals". I quit before SHL but I called it ahead of time "Torghast is probably going to be fun but the design around it will make it a gated chore."
@@jaeusa160 lmao if you were farming ap beyond what was needed for azerite traits you were CHOOSING to waste your own time for a minimal powergain. i think players like you have more fun crying about the game than playing it. thank you for your service, your tears and self imposed humiliation are hilarious.
@@grizzly311tr What a stupid response to something I didn't say because you can't read. As expected of the Copium Andies.
What I said was I liked a certain type of content, but not the combination of You Must Do X Amount and You Get Nothing For More Than X Amount.
Instead of letting players largely do as much as they enjoy of things, you must do everything each week, but also a specific amount of everything. No freedom, no fun.
@@jaeusa160 just because you can run 8 mplus for 3 vault slots doesn't mean you're have to. You're again omegacrying about choosing OPTIONS. Somebody call this casual a waaaahmbulance
My savage team saves up maps and will run a bunch of them from time to time. Part of this is because not everyone likes to farm to work on professions to earn Gil... but they need potions and food to raid. One night of maps will give enough gil to buy all the food and potions for a couple weeks of raiding. We also get the high-end crafting mats that the group crafters want real bad as well. It is a win/win system. There is also quite often a super rare minion or glamor item that can drop from the final boss. The current map tier is the Golden Wings. You can use them in citys as a cosmetic item only or for the fasion event at the Golden Saucer.
I fully agree with Asmon's idea of "Do you want to keep doing the thing after you get the big reward" treasure maps for me are just like that. I don't need gil and there isn't anything I want from them right now but I still love doing them because it is just some quick fun. They are also good for people who don't want to do proffessions to get gil to be able to get consumables instead of having the only way to get them be like "Oh i need to fix up 50 of this rare fish"
FF14 is really good with having multiple ways to get things you want/need. Like just getting gil. You can get it from dungeons rewards. Just putting stuff on your retainer to sell. doing these treasure maps. Framing materials or crafting. You aren't locked into a few dailies or high end crafts to make money in the game and I think that is the hall mark of a good game myself. Having choices on how to complete your goal.
That mote farming took me back 15 years. Damn those were the carefree days.
0:38 BGM Pog
I farm maps every Friday night with my FC. You get maps from gathering professions. You can buy them off the market board also.
They are very profitable for group maps. Make sure you do 8 man groups. I have found using less then 8 it can cause portals to spawn less
On the topic of farming towards a reward: The systems I've enjoyed most were the ones that allowed you to farm "passively". Simply by playing the game any way you want, you will be able to get rewards that build towards late game goals. Like a certain amount of materials for example. There should be the option to grind the materials as well though! Because as you slowly creep closer towards the goal by playing the game, you might think to yourself "oh I already have over 50% (for example) of the materials! Let's grind out the last bit to get that reward!". Some might grind from the start to get the rewards they want ASAP, others might get it pretty much passively after a long time of playing.
instantly feel the tears in the dark area omg the end of endwalker is just so powerful
An advantage of maps is you CAN still do the farming the normal way (if you want a more relaxed and monotonous method while doing something else, or you want to target farm something specific), but this is ANOTHER way to farm them (and given they're generated by the people farming the normal way, the prices aren't going to go too low, while if they go too high nobody will buy them so the price balances reasonably well).
i remember playing TERA few years back and if we talk about grinding levels in the game like 1-50 1-60 it was hell of a lot of fun cause you had avatar weapons they were some unique weapons for every class and you aqquired them at lv 20 all the way to 48 level and every 6 levels you got new one so you grinding some mats FROM monsters doing your story quests and you dropped avatar weap mats on ground once you were done with how many you needed you crafted avatar weapon they had really higher value cause they dps was a few times higher than regular weapons thus making lv up a lot more fun and easy made me make all diff chars to 50-60 just to try all those weapon out and you know see all those diff glows they had thats something thats missing from mmos nowdays the feel that grinding matters PS all those weapons became obsolete once you hit lv 50 cause then you grinded a new set
I loved that system so much
@@katy9291 it was something worth doing imo made levelling so much more fun unlike lets say lost ark questing for hours talking to bunch of npcs gave you a purpose to chase those weapons
Every single thing I see about FF14 makes me want to play it.
It's hella fun game! My all time favorite game for sure! And the story is amazing! 👌
After ARR the story is really good. But ARR is okay too.
(Insert free trial meme here)
An often overlooked piece of functionality when comparing systems like these is the social functionality. Preach might not be demonstrating it very well, but he was doing all this with a group.
1:00 that was so sweet lol
There are different types of players. Collecting materials and skilling is its own player type. Runescape is an example where a large part of the skills is leveled through farming and crafting.
For the people that like combat there is Slayer. Or having a little mix of it you have Dungeoneering.
Everyone has certain content they like or don't like. Trying to cater to all different player types is difficult.
The whole treasure stuff that he does is something I wouldn't care about. If you want to fix the issue of not needing to farm you need to create a system that doesn't require farming.
But for every problem you fix you create a new problem. No farming? well how are you going to balance leveling skills? Distributing materials without needing to farm.
If you look at everything with a min/max perspective then you'll end up doing the same thing over and over because it gives you the best rewards for the thing you're doing.
I'm a skiller, I don't mind doing mindless picking up some materials. But it should be balanced that you don't need to spend hours and hours of picking up materials to progress a skill.
Something like Mining and Smithing, if you need to mine hours and hours to level up once for smithing then it could get boring really quick. You'd have to balance it out somehow by introducing other activities. You could create Minigames or quests. Something limited so it doesn't make the picking up materials obsolete. Everything with balance. And that's a really tough job to get right. Especially if you have a lot of levels to balance. How much time investment is worth how much experience. How to make it all enjoyable by certain player types or for all.
There is something adorable about Asmon, how he can be happy, genuinly happy, just with a pluche.
What’s really happening is we are tired of grinding for hours in a game, getting bored, going to another game, just to grind some more and repeat the cycle, and it puts a bad taste in our mouth with farming/grinding.
I haven't seen this idea discussed much, but I figure it's more than an insignificant factor.
Probably partial to why some people stick to one grindy game, because at least you're already ahead of the curb or in lockstep with it.
The main point is that farming is not compulsory. You don't have to do it, at least in Final Fantasy. You can just do whatever you want, play whatever job you want at anytime, and do whatever you find fun. You will still reach high/max item level (as long as you like raiding too). You don't feel like "I have to" do this and do that.
I think a example of fun grinding would be Pso2. When everybody gets together and tries to proc a "burst" which essentially is a timed event that doubles or quadruple exp and you get all these mods swarming on you while techno music is hyping you up and everyone has fun nuking them all down and collecting literally hundreds of items when the burst is finished. Grinding can be made fun if done correctly
33m bozja/eureka is a good example of large group content not required
Love when he brought out the plushy. I thought he was joking. But it's great when Zach shows up to an Asmon stream every now and then.
Maps are still simple enough that they can be done while doing other things too, my FC has a player that will do Maps with us while also playing D&D, we've also set it up to do lvl60/70 maps one day and 80/90 maps the next day so that it gives players who aren't in later content yet or even people leveling other jobs can get experience.
Treasure hunts can be incredibly fun if you run it with a group of friends. When I go on Treasure Hunts with friends it always boils down to just us bantering and talking about our lives etc
A little cheesy? Yeah but the it’s really one of those underlying social moments that not too many people talk about in this game
I hadn't done treasure maps beyond the solo ones because I'd have to join a party finder to do it, I can't just queue up. A bit too social for me.
Maps aren't my thing but it's definitely chill content or screw around with chat content. Doing chat polls for doors and such.
I once had a lost canals of uznair run (Stormblood room gauntlet) where we got raindbow fake-out on every single door all the way to 7. It was absolutely wild.
It really comes down to "forcing" people to do things. Because certain things were mandatory you had 2 options, either do it or fall behind.
When you make majority of the content optional and the actual important parts mandatory then people feel way less forced, pressured or grinded down by majority of the game.
Every FC I've been in has map nights and everyone shares their maps with each other. It's so fun! It's a lot like BDO boss groups, but more happy.
The pause at 1:15 made me realize Preach has a Lalafell WW2 poster...hilarious.
I will say that D2's Dares of Eternity did come close to this exact thing. I do wish they did more with it.
Asmond getting that Chocobo plush, just cause it made him feel better is adorable.
And what I like, is if you want to turn your brain off and farm? You can still do that in XIV. The amount of hours spent in reaping tones of Upland wheat during Shadowbringers was really nice.
This is something I noticed in LostArk, people react much better to rewards; everyone learned mechanics in event guardians because they give huge buffs, so they want to see the big numbers
Love Maps in FFXIV - got 5 I need to clear out some day lol
Variety is king. Treasure maps are a good fun farming method, but there are so many different kinds of farming in FF. For those who want the minless grind, the Diadem is there for you. Do you like very visable progress, the next pvp update might be for you. Variety beats everything.
31:39 I'd say I think it's a good farming system, considering that I do Treasure Maps all the time and I don't think I've ever once done them to farm materials*.
*Obviously I'm thrilled whenever I get some of those mats but that's not the specific reason I'm doing them.
If you don’t want to grind out things for 8 hours then those items shouldn’t be for you (however they shouldn’t be mandatory items) but I think grinds like that are important to keep hardcore players enticed. But we need a nice middle tier (3-4 hours) as average for everyone and that’s where you keep the mandatory items at
lol almost every new feature in todays mmos was previously in Ultima Online. Ultima online had treasure maps you dug up with spawns 20 years ago
In 2019 Durango came out ( mobile game ). The game had beautiful music , great concepts , fun multiplayer. The grind for materials didn’t really feel like a grind. It was even relaxing when just being at your base the tamed island. Sadly the game couldn’t make enough money in time since it was Free game to start with and no ads , and many didnt buy any in game stuff since even farming items felt relaxing in a way. It really was a beautiful game.
Preach is no lie looking Hella good
I love doing treasure maps. Have gotten so many random cool items and stuff for my character.
I just sell all the crafting materials to the crafters after
chocobo plushie is a cool little guy
Treasure maps are the easiest way to make millions without having to think or know anything before hand, it’s great for a free companies to do together
my FC has a map day and i always look foward to it, it is really fun, we have a bet pool on the times someone guess the side right, want mindless content, well eureka, diadem
5:30, such a great and disturbing pause there
What’s with the weirdos in the chat screaming “lost ark copycat” when treasure maps have been a thing for YEARS in ff14? I really don’t get these people and what do they even gain from talking bs 💀
It's critically important to distinguish this sort of gambling from "problematic gambling. Yes, this is gambling, but it's also the exact type of gambling that's totally acceptable - there's no "buy in" really, if you have a gathering profession done you smack a rock periodically and get your map... You're not buying them off the cash shop or bidding massive sums of currency against bots. Worst case, you buy one from the market board which is more about passive income for gatherers than it is about a "cost" - they're usually like 60-120k gil.
Then you go out and dick around with friends for 3-ish hours and maybe you get something or maybe you lose... nothing? The only thing you're 'wagering' is your time, and if it's fun did you really lose anything?
I have some history with treasure maps, I was hellbent on getting some drops that I could only obtain through treasure maps (due to free trial) so I could craft a coat. It took me months and I hated doing it, but I couldn't deny the hype of being able to solo the treasure chest enemies, and thus I got my Uraeus Coat ready for the opening cinematic of Heavensward to be my chest for Dark Knight, and it is to this day until I find something at least AS cool and that covers the chest :P
Now Palace of the Dead is my demise for the goddamn Wind Silk Coatee, I would craft it but there's ONE ingredient out of the free trial
(Bot buying the game out of poverty and as a stupid self imposed challenge)
Bro, my dude looked so happy with the plushie
Does Asmon have the saltiest chat about? Every video it's full of desperate basement dwellers who have to hate on a game they clearly fear is a threat to WoW. How anyone can have a go at ff graphics when WoW has the graphics it does.... I don't understand
Part of the reason I tend to be poor in most MMOs is I get bored really easy grinding for money or materials for my friend harvesting nodes is a very Zen thing she could just put on music and go chop down trees harvest or etc. One of the games I think that did it best was monster Hunter world ice p*** that game is nothing but a grind but they do it in such a way it doesn't even feel like it you literally do the same thing over and over and it never gets old and the best part is if you ever get tired of using one type of weapon you just swap it out for one of the 14 other types and it's a whole new experience to me the only downside was the dependence on the gems that you would have to put in for the weapons sometimes certain ones were just so rare but I think they did it right I'm not sure what it was that made the grind so enjoyable
i think the more powerfull or better a reward is, the more mandatory it will feel to get it. no matter what style the content is. there are ways to dress it up to make it more fun though.
Most real FC's run maps weekly because it generates a ridiculous amount of gold. If your FC isnt doing this, you need to leave your fc or start organizing it yourself.
I beg people to do map farming in FF14 for mats to make money. I enjoy doing them immensely and the bonus of money and cosmetic crafts is great. A big map party being involved is just so fun because its not hard, and is very social.
Really enjoyed doing maps when I played. Wish more games did gathering/crafting the way ff14 does.
Torghast is beyond depressing. I would rather become a serial killer in real life and or start fires or kill puppies as a hobby than deal with anything that has to do with Torghast.
its like a rogue like inside a game for farming
Treasure maps are just powerball lottery. You can get a roulette with 5 stages of gold treasure, you can solo as well but it’s kinda difficult since minimum should be 3 ppl or you would fail after getting to stage 3
I know BDO is infamous with the grinding stuff and combat.
But the lifestyle farming was fun in a relaxing way and my favorite part of the game
(Okay I know even that aspect is p2w as well)
anything that you have to do repeatedly is going to become boring, now they can concentrate on creating farming encounters to keep it fresh or they can concentrate on creating game encounters to keep that fresh, take your pick and remember it takes months for new content to actually come out.
Ideally nothing in the game becomes tedious but that just isn't realistic, whether its farming raid content or farming trade skill stuff, eventually everything is on farm.
For me, it's REAL simple. A good system respects your time, a great system is an enjoyable time, a bad system demands your time.