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Asmongold on "15 Years of WoW vs 1 Year of FFXIV" | By Jesse Cox
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2021
- Asmongold watches a video by WoW veteran Jesse Cox, who breaks down the strengths and weaknesses of the 2 most popular MMOs on the market right now. Jesse has played Final Fantasy 14 for about a year now and in this video he focuses more on what makes the FFXIV game unique compared to World of Warcraft, than just which is the best MMO of the two...
FFXIV lately has seen a massive resurgence and has been more and more considered the WoW killer, after it was widely reported as the most played MMO on the market...
Original Video: • 15 Years of WoW vs 1 Y... (15 Years of WoW vs 1 Year of FFXIV)
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"is wow community toxic?"
Chat: yes
Asmon mods: yes
Twitch staff: yes
Asmon: I dunno, maybe every game is like this?
@@RagnaroekChaos The difference between the two. My Fiance and I love FF14, and tried WoW for a month. When we started, I was a mage with those tables that give mana cookies or w/e they are. Got into our first dungeon and someone kept telling me to put down the table, (which isn't what the skills is called) kept insulting me because I had no idea what he was talking about until the tank whispered me the actual name of the skill. The difference is one game the community will most likely try to help you learn, where the other one will get angry at you for not knowing anything. Yes every game has toxic people in it, just matters how toxic and where the toxicity is. In WoW it feels everywhere, in FF14 it feels mostly just in the high tier raiding.
@@KhronosTrigger The big reason everyone in WoW expects most people to know what they are doing is that it's been around since 2004 and has the most " How to" videos on CZcams. The absolute best way to avoid most toxicity is to always announce at the start of each dungeon that you are fresh and learning. That's being considerate and polite to others time. Gives them the opportunity to either leave group or stay and help you. After you do that you have no fault whatsoever. You did announce it instead of just expecting people to just teach you after making mistakes and them already expecting you to know what to do.
WoW community: yes
@@Keldiur For me it was when, after getting to max on my WoW main without touching a single dungeon, I decided to try a dungeon on a DPS (b/c fk trying a WoW dungeon first time as a tank). We wiped during a boss, the healer immediatly called the tank names and left. Noite this was like 2 weeks after Shadowlands dropped so people were still very likely new to the content. Especially when dungeons are not required to progress in the "story". I never touched another WoW dungeon after and have not played WoW since that first month of Shadowlands.
asmon is pretty articulate, I like hearing his more serious takes about MMOs. But jesus christ is his chat braindead.
Since when his chat isn't like that.
usually wherever there's masses, theres riots and no braincells
twitch in general is braindead
@@mr.cuddlesworth3144 forsenBased
I'm an Asmon fan through his CZcams content, but his chat makes me never want to watch his stream. There's a level of braindead every chat achieves once there's enough viewers, and then there's a special level of braindead that only Asmon's chat is capable of.
It is crazy going back to these videos after Asmon actually tried the game because the CHAT was sooo not on board with FF14 yet. And now it is Asmon's most popular content in a long time and the chat is loving the game.
The chat just agrees with whatever Zack says. He can say literally anything and they will just post "True"
@@whasian1487 i feel like there are a lot more "casual" baldman viewers than people anticipate. people who dont care what he plays.
I only started watching him after he started playing FFXIV. Great content though.
I kinda hate twitch chat cause they're like mindless sheep. If asmong say he likes something most of the time the chat will follow and agree. Like the video 11 months ago where a 15 year wow player tries ff14? The chat in there was so toxic on ff14 calling the game shit.
@@TaliZVasTyria the majority of people on the internet are lemmings. It’s not just twitch chat.
I honestly never even realized how rude most MMO players are until I played FF14. I remember when my wife started playing and decided to main white mage. It was her first MMO and there were multiple times I was in a dungeon with her and was like "look babe u need to heal the tank or people are going to leave." To my surprise, instead of yelling at her or getting frustrated with her, the other members of the party helped her by recommending skills and explaining different boss mechanics.
There are a number of reason I stopped playing FF14 but the community was definitely not one of them
standard gamers. entitled and angry lol
Oh it's definitely there.
When I started FFXIV, I was actually too scared to play healer or tank because what if I miss a spell or drop aggro and we wipe, people are going to rage at me, call me all sorts of things, wish my family dead, tell me to uninstall the game or kill myself, relentlessly harass me in PMs or mass report me, etc. All because my previous awful experiences from other MMOs (which shall not be named). I mean, I'm a veteran gamer, this kinda stuff doesn't get to me, but it still feels bad when it happens. To my utter surprise, the exact opposite happened in FFXIV. Other players not only did not rage at me even once, but they were *nice* and helpful. I honestly couldn't believe it. I wasn't massively shit on when I asked noob questions in chat, but people were tripping over each other to explain stuff or give links to resources I can learn more. When I first wiped with a party, I fully expected the usual blame game to start, people to hurl expletives and accusations. Instead, they were like "well, that just happened. How about we try it like this" and we went again, and again, until we succeeded. That does not mean people don't get exasperated or lose their shit from time to time, but they don't rage at _you_, they rage at the situation, like "damit I've done this a million times, how is this not working" and we find what the issue is and work around it.
It's just such a nice change of pace, that all that fear, anxiety and performance pressure is just not there in FFXIV. That even if you screw up, it's not the end of the world. That you can ask stupid questions in main chat and instead of elitist snark and dogpiling you get a real answer. Sure, it's not always rainbow wonderland, there _are_ assholes in every game and your mileage may vary, but for the vast majority of my time in FFXIV it was a remarkably relaxing and fun experience *because* of the community and not despite of, like in other MMOs.
I think a main reason a lot of people socialize in MMOs is to escape the shackling formalities of the real world.
@@Temptest09 it's there but not as prevalent as in other mmos. FF14 does a good job by making it worthwhile to run dungeons with low lvls and help them learn.
*Asmon:* "Is WoW toxic?"
*The Whole Chat:* "YES"
Finally, something everyone agrees on.
Except Asmond apparently… Blows my mind it could even be a question as to whether or not it’s toxic.
@@nathanhargenrader645 He's a streamer. And almost everyone in his group are his viewers. So, basically streamer privileges.
@@dextere4525 that’s so stupid. I mean come on look at his chat. Do you seriously believe he doesn’t get toxicity because he is a streamer as much or more as he gets positivity? I mean watch ban appeals. And I know that that isn’t the exact same as the game but I’m positive it follows him there too. If anything it might make him think a lot of what he sees is because he is a streamer.
Also a lot of the toxicity that I have experienced in WoW is watching chat in towns. It’s ridiculous the shit you see and him being a streamer does nothing to remove him from that.
I think he just has a blind eye to some stuff when it comes to WoW.
Is every game toxic in some way? yes? Alright, cool
@@nathanhargenrader645 Maybe I'm just lucky, because when I was wandering through Stormwind the global chat was filled with Dad jokes. Great times.
I only played for a short while though, so small sample size and all that.
I love how he literally talked about the stupidity of MMO tribalism right before watching this video and now look at his chat. That shit is awful.
@Fuzzlebums They're probably mostly just "kids".
Summer Break Chat 💀
@@Tobiemoss is this an out of season April fools joke?
@@dustincieslik5397 N I G H T M A R E
@@russpc9739 20 isn't "adult", that's practically still a teenager these days.
Two months later, Asmon is so invested in the story he knows the names of all the characters, fears for their lives and grieves if they die.
Don't forget his chocobo racing addiction
and his cat waifu
Excuse me what 👀
He was still high on Copium when he was watching this.
It's impressive to see how both Asmon and chat were trying to defend WoW against something they had no experience of - the copium market peaked hard that day. It's also refreshing to see how many people were spurred on by Asmon's willingness to be genuinely open-minded and try something new, and are now (mostly) happy to admit they were wrong about FF14 and wish they'd tried it sooner (although the spergs that remain in denial about WoW's decline and imminent death were a depressing inevitability.)
"Games should make you want to waste your time, not waste your time."
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Speaking of music, one of the sickest moments in FFXIV from a music perspective is fighting Shiva, she snaps her fingers, and the track amps up. That type of attention to detail for music usage is just next level. I think Asmon will appreciate that.
I haven't seen a single boss track in FF14 that doesn't put you in the mood. I'll never forget having to catch Susano's sword for the first time with the music blaring as if we're nearing the climax of the fight.
@@one_eyeddd473 I find it really funny that despite there being, what 13 of them, they seem to think that their numbers and his sword that has Nidhogg's eye, he still crumbled like cheap plastic.
@@SilverNightbane I always laugh when I get to that part. It’s so funny watching him flail his sword around, scared out of his mind lmao
@@SilverNightbane I heard it was one of the hardest EX fights game had to offer.
@@Jinny-Wa At that time, yeah. Or actually, it's still the hardest EX, cuz I dont find any of the newest EX that hard (probably it's just me who improved in doing raid/ex content, since back in HW I never joined savage raid, but now I do. So I dont find Trial EX that hard)
I like the fact Asmongold cracked a genuine smile when he saw Godbert from the Hildibrand quest line.
I'm still slightly disappointed we didn't get a First version of Hildebrand.
Cause he's seen a Godbert scene before, the one where he runs after hildibrand after the chimera in north thanalan.
@@Chas-OTE there can be only one 😲
@@drago1uk2000 do you remember what video that was in? I'd like to see that
@@Chas-OTE doesn't mean that we won't. he's confirmed to return and he could as well be in the first.
Asmons chat before and after he started playing 14 are wildly different lol
Its like curious FF fans started watching a streamer they hadn't watched before he started playing their game.
Crazy.
Because his chat only agrees with what he says and have no agency of their own. When Asmon was shitting all over FFXIV they would shit all over it too. Now that he loves the game, they love the game too. They litterally are just sycophants.
@@athropos
TRUE.
@@athropos Or maybe his viewerbase changed from wow fans and he gained ffxiv fans?
@@MatthewOlls It didn't change that much... He gained a tonf of viewers, for sure, but he lost maybe 500 of his old ones.
Big chats will always act retarded, that's it, there's not "viwers changed" or "opinions changed" No, Viewers will always agree, or at least 90% of the time, with their streamer. It's a pityful way of trying to relate to them.
Asmongold handles his chat like a dog on a leash which is why he does so well. He knows how to incorporate the right lingo to excite or interact with them. He knows their hive minded thought processes and dances with it. I'm impressed with his ability to stream for hours and handle the chat so fluidly
Ur looking to deep into this
@@thekiller4000s there is a deep level to everything.
@@lukemitchell1296 Not to the average Twitch viewer
@@yahhah3027 in terms of being deep? If so then their behaviour is linked to their social status and parenting. They seek approval and attention from Asmon and will do so anyway possible.
@@lukemitchell1296 I wouldn't call basic facts about human behaviour deep.
Personally, I’m in the same camp that I don’t really care for stories that “kiss your ass” at every juncture, but mostly I believe what soured that behavior for me slightly was actually WoW. I really hated the idea of having these titles thrust upon me when I felt as though I’ve done literally nothing to earn/deserve them, but this is where this shifts slightly for me when I play FFXIV. In WoW you’re basically at the sidelines in terms of the story while Tyrande, Thrall, Jaina, etc are at the forefront fighting the important battles, are the middle of the important interactions so on and so forth. It makes me feel bittersweet when I’m give these titles for basically no tangible effort. My biggest gripe with this practice was Legion. It really bugged getting called these very prestigious titles like Archmage, Archdruid, Highlord, Deathlord, etc on what feels like a side character. On the flip side in FFXIV your character is present in 90% of the cutscenes and even fighting from time to time you aren’t some side character you are the MC and whenever you are present and taking part in these important/climactic/flashy battles it feels a lot more satisfying and feels more like you’ve earned your title rather than getting it for free. This is even more reinforced by the fact that there is no need for alts with the job system. These facts make your singular character that much more prodigious/special feeling. Maybe others disagree, but that’s how I’ve always felt about it.
And the Dark Knight storyline pretty much shows that even if you DO like to help the populace out, even you're not completely immune to some of the complaints you deal with when they couldn't even do the job themselves. It even gets reflected later on in the story when you finally get dialogue choices, snarky replies start to become far more common.
Yeah we are the hero, the destined hero that still engages in meaningless fetch quests 3-4 expansions in. :¨D
Honestly the primal titan (first one?) you fight, you know right away the music is something special in this game.
@@awamysticmain4815 Namely because your character is a decent person who sees himself in the people helps. It would be even weirder if a so called Warrior of Light didn't help regular people when he could. Not to mention why would people rally behind someone who literally does nothing to help them initially? To anyone outside of Eorzea until Stormblood you're just a random soldier fighting in a war and you are treated as such by the people of thise areas til they see your exploits.
@@Roymoney1998 That's fair and all but personally it appeals to me as much as a mute and predetermined character does. I think the game is a very on rails, suspenders and belt experience with a bit too overhyped story, the occasional oneliners aside.
Boss music in final fantasy is so well synced to the fights, that during transitions is when the bridge of a song falls and when it drops back in is the exact moment you can attack the boss again. No comparison.
Omg, when I noticed the music change after Shiva does Diamond Dust and the REAL SHIT STARTS while doing Extreme, that was sick and made everything so much more intense.
When he said that Suzaku was 'cringe' I physically cringed myself. When it swaps from the first phase to the second phase with the music timed up so perfectly, it really adds to the fight. I don't get how the music is "cringe" even if you don't like it.
But it's not synced? They use dynamic music system (PSO2 have it too) - during certain parts of boss fight, music track changes from one version to another. Basically they have one music composition cut in piece and every piece are connected to certain moment during fight
@@deathisnear2424 Because he (like his chat) thinks 'if its Asian'- its weeb. Asmon can be just as bad sometimes
@@DaysforDaays Or maybe he just thought it was bad? Maybe, just maybe its ok for someone to think a tiny part of a game is bad without being a "weeb hater". You can just as easily turn the tables and say same shit about FF fanboys. FF fans be like "if it's asian, it's good". Which is just as stupid.
Asmongold: eloquent and thoughtful in what he says
Asmongold's Chat: literally one of the stupidest and most annoying things on the internet.
Same chat that said GW2 is pay to win
Just started playing FFXIV yesterday and today when I got on to play I ran across a group of 60+ people from various guilds all chillin and dancing/hanging out and not a single person was spamming or cursing or trolling. They were all just hangin out enjoying being there. After my countless hours in WoW, walking into this in FFXIV really got me. YES the WoW community is TOXIC.
and they say furry and weeb game but comparing both games wow has more furry shit
I didn't care too much about the story in FFXIV at first, but eventually I was so into it that I just couldn't stop playing. Playing through the FFXIV story was like binge watching a great TV series. You always wanna know what happens next and it's really hard to put it down. Such a great game.
Also, this is coming from someone who dislikes anime. The whole "FFXIV is for weebs" thing is pretty dumb. You don't need to be into anime or whatever to enjoy this game. It's final fantasy, not phantasy star online.
I thought same at first, but then I realized FFXIV is just Naruto plot with fewer steps. Good writing, but at it's core the plot is just a shonen basic shit.
When I started playing in ARR I was right there. Then the story seemed interesting so, sure I'll watch a cutscene. Then some Game of Thrones shit happened and I was like "ok, I can give this a shot, sure."
4 years later I'm screaming "LETS FUCKING GOOOOO" when your character powers up in an anime-like flash of light.
@@xaarxyc what would you say about wow then? Literally every quest is go kill 8 murlocs and lore is about…wait what lore? It died with Arthas
Btw Naruto was great
I really don't care about it personally. I tried to watch the cut scenes and stuff but I just don't absorb it and do not have much memory of it. Fundamentally I just do not play MMOs for the story and neither do the people I play with. In WoW, I skip the cutscenes and do not ready any quests at all, I just can't be bothered. I have no idea what is going on in Shadowlands at all, but I play to do mythic+ and pvp.
@@xaarxyc Tbf it only felt that way to me on ARR (basic shonen type story) but it got way better since the first expansion and plot got deeper and deeper
Thing that I like about FF's story is that yes, you're the main character, but it doesn't mean other characters don't accomplish anything. They sometimes surprise me by acting like badasses in cutscenes and even go out and do their own thing in the world. They're not kissing your boots despite relying on you for lots of things.
I think the main difference is:
In FFXIV you are the hero, and you matter to the story.
In WoW you are a hero, but you don't matter to the story.
@@Brekner That's basically what I said
@@Lyn685 its like the player character in oblivion and skyrim. in oblivion and wow you do some cool neat stuff but ultimately help others save the day. in ffxiv and skyrim you have powers and do awesome stuff and save the day and are helped by some pretty rad people along the way.
In FFXIV you are the hero but you are not omnipotent like you are in WoW. In FFXIV you would be nowhere without Alphinaud, Urianger, Y'shtola etc. You are just a piece of the puzzel but in WoW you are an unstoppable force that is barely recognized.
You are not flawless in FFXIV you mess up, you struggle and you actually lose battles wich makes it even more interesting seeing as you are THE warrior of light and if you get beaten you know things are rough.
@@shimik11 the early game story is pretty boring it starts to speed up after wards. To me the worst early game part was to pick up and bury my dead friends... that was a bit dark.
2 days in FFXIV, got two crowns helping me, they gave me a lot of tips, found me a guild that helps new players, and told me in what i should be focused right now, i am happy. No stress, game look amazing, and the community really is amazing.
4 month update incoming?
How are things holding up currently, four months later?
@@nepspartan-7597 Had to stop LOL, i got an internship in my city's prefecture, i am an architecture student. Had to focus on that and my end of semester projects.But i am still part of the guild and i do log in from time to time, justo to relax and explore, but for now i don't have much time to play.
@@jaurybeltraoengers5986 I think the beauty of ff14 is that it respects your real life obligations. If you suddenly have some higher calling like a job or a family, take a break and then come back later when you have more free time. A game like WoW or Lost Ark is too demanding to stay in-line with current content, having all these progression grinds that keep people logging in as often as possible even when they’re already mentally unsubbed
@@jaurybeltraoengers59861 year update?
As a new FFXIV player and warcraft vet, gotta say had an actual "wow" moment fighting Shiva for the first time hearing the music and getting frozen and shattered.
That's THE moment i said "Ok, i'm gonna stay with this game"
I feel like pointing towards twitter to prove a community is toxic is like pointing to a garbage can to prove the building smells like shit. I know Asmon can get a bit... hyper focused on WoW and MMOs at times, but I dont know many fandoms that didnt have their twitter side making them look bad.
It's not even true though, like in his last tweet about playing XIV, there's literally hundreds of people welcoming him to the game and being super nice, not a single asshole. Not sure what he's on about.
@@TheRayzorOne People just see what they want to see
@@enragedsun1826 Not even that. It's that we're literally programmed to fixate on the singular bad in an ocean of good. The good is harmless and requires no attention. The bad is a threat and we need to keep our eyes on it at all times.
@@TheRayzorOne Because there are nice. As long as you like/love or wanna try out their game.
@@FabbrizioPlays I think humans are naturally wired to focus on negative things as a survival technique, but I get your point. We've evolved as a species to the point where our brains should check our primal instincts.
"Man why is everyone in the comment section bashing his chat?"
Chat: Weeb, weeb weeb.
"...Ahhh."
@@ElShogoso obligatory “it’s not weeb if it’s already Japanese comment”. I think it’s better to say that the bathrobe wearing ronin is a overused troupe but can you really blame them for just drawing on there pop culture.
@@ElShogoso samurai is the knight of japan. why would it automatically be weeb?
@@ElShogoso So ancient warriors of Japan are weebs? Man has anyone ever told you that you're not smart enough to talk about things
not only that, but also "wow copium". it's like they're trying to piss off both communities.
After watching those cutscenes it’s a weeb game, it just has that cringey anime style of expressions to it.
Seeing this a month later and hearing Asmon say that he doesn't know if he'll be interested in the story of FF14 and if he'll care or keep him coming back is pretty funny.
Oh yeah, he's so invested in the story now. I love it.
@@prinzezzqtpi5437 And now he's back to normal. All of you FF frogs left because no streamer even plays it kekw
@@Mendicant_Bias Man your life must be sad to come to a 1 year old comment on youtube just to laugh at someone because a streamer doesn't play a specific game anymore.
I love the WoW lore, but as a friend of mine once said, "I don't want my stories to come with homework". Also, blizz just has a tendency to pull things out of their asses in regard to stories.
Having lore doesn't mean it is good either... Wow lore has be complete shit ever since they ran out of WC3 source material and even then was a very generous borrowing from better writers and storytellers.
I feel sorry for Asmongold. His chat doesn't deserve him.
He's rich I'm sure he doesn't really care
@@Shellackle do you even watch him?
@@theodorsirbu6165 Yes. Enough to know that, if anything, he completely enables the behavior of his chat. The times when he puts on an act to placate some dumbass chatter are way too plentiful to not take notice of.
@@Shellackle but not enough to know that him being rich has nothing to do with it
oh no poor asmon :'( you should donate to him and he'll feel better
if you ever feel like shit just know that asmon's chat exists
Great, now I feel worse.
remember, that asmongold have to deal with that shit constantly...i think it eats up a person internally. I'm a FFXIV player but i enjoyed his content, i disagree with his point sometimes but DAYUMMM, that chat is scary.
@@ascreative9680 and that’s the WoW community lol. Just trying to do a leveling dungeon and youre new to a role you’re gonna get flamed if you accidentally detour, don’t min/max it, or don’t know what to do in this 18 year old content cause they’ve known it forever even if you don’t.
You're telling me that children who sits for hours watching a grown man play videogames act like complete retards? I'm not surprised
@@manuelsilva6244 dude, op was talking about the chat itself not ffxiv wtf?
My favorite part is a comment in the video is at 1:15:45. Someone said "I never saw any FF 14 refugee guide to WoW." Just plain savage.
Asmon: "I don't think I can paradigm shift in my head to be like that"
Asmon after unlocking Gold Saucer: "This chocobo will eventually only have 1 gene"
FF literally been the cornerstone for game music since the SNES era.
41:50. (Spell effects obscuring vision) - In FF14 system settings you can limit spell effects of your party/raid. To relevant (important ones) and set it so you only see yours.
Even before that, in the NES era.
Cornerstone?
Final fantasy is one of like 5 franchises that have survived since that era lmao.
Their only comparison is sonic and Mario LOL
@@greenbean4422 Is English not your first language?
@@yahhah3027 it is
There's also a huge difference between a cornerstone and a classic lmao or do you not know what those English words mean?
Calling it now: Asmon is gonna play a Highlander Hyur starting as a marauder.
He pretty much already said this
Yeah that's pretty much what he said he's gonna do, then move to a dark knight possibly
100% gonna be a highlander marauder/warrior then if he survives to HW, he's gonna change to dark knight
Such insane prediction skills, crazy how he already said pretty much this... human like race, marauder into dark knight.... shucks
And then quit real soon.
The WoW story, for those of us who skip through most of it and just mythic raid, resembles bad WWE writing. "Oh, the heel is the good guy now. Oh, that guy betrayed this other guy and put him through a table. Oh dang, someone stole Paul Bearer's urn." I feel like there's a lot of overlap if you're a casual observer.
This makes far too much sense, my god.
I remember when that Urn was treated like the most fearsome in creation in those days
@@HeroAndReporter There's a big hole in my knowledge from that era - I used to watch when I was a kid way back in the early 80s, then briefly started up again around the Attitude Era with Rock, HHH, the GOAT Mick Foley and those guys.
Also the thing about ffxiv's story that I love is that while you are definitely important, you're not important just because you're some "Chosen one". What's different is that you FEEL important. You FEEL impactful. You FEEL like you matter, for good reasons, not because someone said so. That's just a small part of it.
That moment when Godbert Manderville showed up in the outro card I knew those last few moments were gonna be amazing, the sheer confusion and *amusement* on Asmon's face! XD
Best side story ever!
HandsUp
Top 10 best side quests in gaming, imagine with voice acting holyshit 😂
most unflattering picture of an area locked in perpetual light lol
It was honestly a bizarre choice
Yeah that one was odd. He purposely picked the best looking map compare to a very weird angle of the most unflattering one. He should've compared it to ill meg.
His choice of music wasn't the best, either. Oh well.
@@Owl90 Taste in music is subjective but I agree with every one in that he chose the wrong zone to show off FFXIV.
“WhERe’S thE eNdgAmE rAIdS!!”
*In the distance, far off*, “Forward and back and then forward and back…”
And Then go forward and back, then put one foot forward
As a person who left Wow to try FF14 first thing i realized is how the community is much nicer. They are so helpful specially in dungeon and raid and trial groups. Secondly i really love the fact how many endless possibilities are there to make your character look. Endless tmogs hairstyles etc. Story telling is amazing where you really feel you are a part of it. You actually matter ! Us girls specially like our outfit and hair varieties ! Another thing i think its amazing is that u can play all the classes on 1 single character !! U dont have to level one character per class !! I love it and i m not planning to play any other mmo for a long time ! FF 14
I feel like when he stops to talk and explain stuff, he's really only talking to the CZcams audience. I say this because no matter how much he lectures his chat about bad behavior, they just go right back to it as if it never happened. The difference is that we watch a prerecorded video. Since we watch a video, we have our full attention on watching and listening, while most members of twitch chat are constantly focusing on voicing their loud and belligerent messages rather than listening to Asmon's important talks.
@Miss Misery Go back to Twitter you baby.
@Miss Misery "offensive jokes" lmao back to the soyfields
@Miss Misery I'd advise checking out Zackrawrr, it's his second channel where he can put away the Asmongold persona if that makes sense. I find he's much more serious/genuine there, or rather the important talks feature more.
@@grass23 I personally find them interesting, as I’m not a veteran of the community. Having a veteran come with information that the main video doesn’t explain as well as give another view point is very helpful for the discussion
Not entirely true, because you could see the stats he showed after first ffxiv stream. Out of almost a million unique viewers only 60k typed something in chat, vocal minority basically.
Lazy Peon boosted and said the game sucked, no one takes his criticisms of FFXIV seriously.
Well what do you expect from a lazy peon?
No one takes Lazy Peon seriously
Lazy peon recorded a hit piece filled with lies and half truths because he was angry people kept needling him to try the game. nothing good ever comes from a community egging streamers/youtubers into doing things. then again LP is a dumbass.
Lazy Peon is just that, a Lazy Peon. I loved dunking on his stupid MMO videos where he paints a beautiful image of all MMOs in his top 10 list with epic fight scenes and game trailer footage, then when he showed ffxiv he's like "I didn't really enjoy this game... I don't know why... It wasn't really fun" then shows himself braindead playing his dumb catgirl in a cape westwind fight like he wanted to make the game look as boring as he is.
lazy peon is a gross sex tourist and a shill lmao
Watching this video after watching 14+ hours of Asmon playing through the early story and being completely zoned in and enthralled has been so ironic. He's so invested already and it'll only gets better and better.
The past few expansions have made me realize how shitty WoW is for timegating/rep grinding etc. If they don't make a major change in 9.3 I think Shadowlands will be my swan song.
"I don't care about being the chosen one"
Hydaelyn: - I DON'T REMEMBER ASKING YOU A GODDAMN THING!
ahahahahahahaha we're totally tempered aren't we?
the cool thing about the "chosen one" in FF14 is that it's in the literal sense that the goddess chose you and now you gotta deal with shit. I think it handles the concept well by letting you know from the start that some entity expects a lot of shit from you so you need to work for it, rather than having you achieve a lot and find out it was becasue you were fated to get there and your work didn't really matter
@@wrigglenight93 oh yeah we totally are
@@wrigglenight93 That is the whole reason they spent a lot of the story in finding out a way to get untempered.
@@wrigglenight93 the game has specified MULTIPLE times that you are not tempered lmao
one thing i love about FFXIV is that the devs LISTEN to their players rather then insult them.
@@FabbrizioPlays and in FFXIV back before Shadow bringers came out can we please have atleast some hat options> art team worked off hours without being told to do that. sure still aren't alot but more then we had orginally.
Yep. Blizzard doesn't listen to their players and that's what is going to kill WOW.
Same in SWTOR.
This came up on my recommended after watching him loving ff14 and doing all kind of things that he thought he might not be able to handle, it's truly wholesome how the game you thought it might be crap, turns out to be good. Should shows a lot of people that "don't judge the covers if you haven't read the whole book yet"
"GAMBLING?!" said the man who now lives in the Golden Saucer for hours at a time.
Feel like the one takeaway he didnt quite get is that the positivity in ffxiv isnt fake positivity. You can definitely give negative feedback and/or tell someone off. Just having some respect and not being a degenerate is all that is asked.
Toxicity in FFXIV as I have experienced it, though, is a lot more serious than some of the degeneracy I've seen in WoW, as an example my friend was the victim of a guy displaying stalker-like behaviour, following her around all the time /slapping her on sight. An isolated example but not an uncommon escalation in terms of emotional severity. And lets not forget assholes in random dungeons do exist.
Exactly, you can very much tell someone they're doing a mechanic wrong or using the wrong rotation. It just matters HOW you tell them. If your criticism is surrounded by expletives and demands that the player kill themselves for doing so badly, then YES you will get banned and you WILL have deserved it.
I've played ARR from beta and I've used the kick function a handful of times only once or twice it was because someone was being a complete asshole about something, mostly it was because someone dc'd mid dungeon and it had been 10 minutes.
Yeah, for me the toxicity in the game came more from fc drama. The kind of things that could happen in any online space where you can create groups. It had nothing to do with the game but there where consequences in the game.
When I encountered toxicity in dungeons/raids, it was either really passive agressive (not listening to advice on purpose, refusing to do anything, rushing through things...) or people quitting after the first wipe in clear/farm parties
I love how asmons chat instantly started rocking to Ruby weapons theme lmao.
i always look that asmon's wow viewers usually use pepejam and the ffxiv viewers use catjam
P2 music > P1 music, but its a solid theme
have my virtual like, not going to make it 70 likes
the entire weapon quest is kinda feel being slap with onion ninja though
The enjoy the Big Fat Tacos!
"I dont like when particle effects obscure my vision" *Triggers Red Mage LB3*
As a rdm main. My eyeessss!!!
....
No regrets
I set up a macro for RDM LB I put out an alert saying "flashbang out"
Lol asmon just refuses to belive the FF14 crowd is just nicer. It amuses me.
Well i imagine WoW crowd is just salty because their game is over the hum as far as relevancy and while they recognize it, are too scared to try something newer.
It's really not, while WoW has toxic negativity FFXIV usually has toxic Positivity, not to mention if you actually play the game in the end game it turns toxic pretty fast, it just has a lot more furries and other people who usually act all innocent and nice.
And as a result their meme game is shit.
The reaction to him starting to play ffxiv kinda bears that out tbh
@@futhington Meh no community is perfect. As a whole the community is better.
Jesse - "There isn't an over arching story to classic WoW"
Zack - "Now I don't think that's true, I mean there wasn't a story that covered all of classic WoW, but there were tiny sub plots"
That's a true pepega moment
He tries hard to defend WoW.
He’s just as braindead as his chat. They probably why they like him so much.
Asmon saw that endgame wasn't 100% focused on raids and had a sperg out moment.
I think he hasn't realized that only the top 1-5% of the community actually DO and COMPLETE the Ultimate raids
And only about 20% even complete all of the Savage raids for the expansion.
Ultimate is hard. When The Epic of Alexander came out, it took almost 4 days for a clear to happen. Of course, Mythic raids take longer in comparison typically.
But Alexander is one 18 minute fight, Castle Nathria is 10 bosses.
I don't wait for hunt trains
I guess it's due to his interactions on Twitter, but whenever Asmon has a take on toxicity in the FF14 community v.s. the WoW community, it feels completely unrooted in reality. WoW is toxic as fuck and FF14 has a genuinely helpful community- of course this won't be true in all cases for either game, but as someone who has played WoW since classic and FF14 since ARR- this is overwhelmingly the case.
It's confirmation bias. The FFXIV players who reach to Asmon to leave him a comment, or even know who he is in the first place, are more likely to be toxic towards him. The average player is playing the actual game, not tweeting about Asmongold. As an average day-to-day experience of playing the actual game, WoW definitely has a much more toxic community than FFXIV. Outside the game, that's a different story.
Try shouting shadowbringers sucks in limsa......Spergs sperg out.
@@krayzeeryan If you're craving for bad interactions so bad that you're baiting arguments by shouting in general chat... sorry for telling you, but you're the sperg.
Most of FFXIV's toxicity is outside of the game and mostly targeted at criticisms that people have about FFXIV. Its kinda sad that such a vocal minority can dictate what the FFXIV community is perceived as becaus everyone who plays the game will tell you the community is awesome but ask people who dont play the game and they will tell you its shit becaus this vocal minority is all they know. This vocal minority is almost like a cult its insane.
@@Dommus_V this is like the argument he made on the video that blew my mind...
"If you want to find the toxicity all you gotta do is find what makes the other person mad" Whoa like no fucking shit! Asmon playing dome 5D chest over here. You mean to tell me that if you purposely piss someone off they get pissed off? WHAT A DISCOVERY!
cooperative toxicity is different than competitive toxicity. haveing a friend shit talk you for a day or two for not casting a heal in time to save them is different than a competing guild spawn camping playerkilling people in a zone just because the other players have the potential to beat them. one is straight up griefing and the other is harmless fun
competitive toxicity is basicly psychological warfare. its a fucking war you do, everything should be allowed, even pissing off other players....
A good point admin brings up in other videos explains the toxicity well. Final fantasy rewards you for clearing content with new players. Wow punishes you for everything you do. It's different stakes. Billy the dipshit might waste 30 minutes of my time in ff14. In wow he could cost you a week of waiting/grinding. It's a better system that rewards rather than punishing.
And if you help billy not be a dipshit you can get commendations which leads to achievements, rewards, titles, even weekly chalkenges.
@@DarthZ01 And not only the reward part, but now you get a billy the actually decent that can help you in raids
@@daridon2483 and Billy will carry the new knowledge with him, and either teach it to someone else sometime and/or simply wont screw up himself. Win-win for everyone
asmon's chat always makes me laugh...
wow: our lore is so vast and deep
FFXIV: my favourite part of the game is the story
asmon chat: NEEEERDS!
most wow players dont give two fucks about the lore lmfao
I enjoy the lore of wow... But i do not play It :3
Me like fantasy
Also a other thing about Asmon's chat that bugs me is the furry situation.
Cat girls/bunny girls in FF14= Furry
LEGIT ANTHROPOMORPHIC ANIMALS in WoW= Not Furry
@@ayoissac yea.. thats the true denial right there.
@@FimbongBass yes now.. but lets be real, whenever a new mmo contender appears there will be a lore discussion...
Something that kinda bothers me about the story in WoW is how disconnected your character feels.
It feels more like you're just a random dude following Jaina and Thrall around and they only acknowledge your existence by calling you '' Champion ''.
in FFXIV you're legit actual friends with the other characters and the characters still act regardless of whether they're with you or not, when they're off screen they've still done things that matter when you meet up again and it makes them feel alive.
And it feels like all of you are together part of the actual story and matter.
In WoW it feels like your character is a deus ex machina that just comes in to kill things to solve all problems but then the story characters are the only ones that matter in the story and your character may as well not exist in the cutscenes at all.
excellent said
I feel like back in the day your identity was established by the race, since then I feel all the races had actual relevance to the story. Not sure if I'm right tho.
But that was The ideia, your are Just a Hero, like thousands, maybe millions of other Heroes, but you are not THE HERO
But I prefer ESO, Have Better Universe Lore then Both WoW and FF14, The PvP is Good (to me) I like The PvP modes in ESO and The Way It is, even with a LvL 25 Character I Still can kill a CP LvL 1300 player, I've done It
And The PvE is Balanced too, even Low lvls can help in any Content, and The entire World scale to you, so you can do them in any order, and Will not Skip or lose any Content, only If You Want
The reason for the lack of involvement with the PC is that WoW's lore is tied directly to the novels Blizzard makes.
So honestly, even with the songs you (generic, not you specifically) don't like, FFXIV just has a way bigger range of musical styles in it than WoW. Everything in wow is generic fantasy orchestral. And that can be fine, I like and listen to a lot of that music. But FFXIV just gives you way, way more variety and I find myself turning off game music in favor of my own music way, way less often than in wow because of it.
wow has the most toixc community I've EVER seen in any mmo. Don't defend that.
Now that the token allows third worlders to play for free, the community is doomed
@@mongol3681 Imagine trying to agree that the community isn't great while not realizing that you're terrible as well
@@gagec6390 spoken like a true thirdworlder
Hows the boost business going fam, are you able to buy food now?
A rehash of a comment I made on Jesse's video: "FFXIV set the Guinness World Record for most original pieces of music in a video game (including expansions) with an astonishing 384 songs, and that was back in 2017. Now it being 2021, that number has since grown." Note, it's not about which songs are better in which game, but rather just to give scale to the sheer amount and variety of music in ffxiv. Doesn't necessarily mean ffxiv's music is better because there's more of it, just to be clear. But you're bound to find at least a handful of music you'll like in ffxiv just because of the variety. Ofc, WoW also has a bunch of music that's great, just not as varied. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it is a notable difference.
I personally prefer WC3 soundtrack over WoW's, but there are a few tunes in WoW that are bangers too. I don't think you'll find anyone who doesn't think Arthas's theme song (the one that plays in the WoTLK intro) isn't a fantastic piece of epic soundtrack.
FF14 is more my alley since I like rock though.
holy shit 384 just from 2017?!
It’s fascinating how he explains in 3:40 that WoW literally has lore and not a story without realizing it.
Yes that was hilarious lmao
Yeah he's a dumbass
Some FFXIV music is just amazing. Alot of bosses have a music change when their phase changes. A really good one is Shiva as well as the Ruby Weapon (the one in the video you enjoyed).
Some music is themed on the bosses origins. Suzaku for example is a very Asian theme, Lakshmi has Hindi themes where it originates from India.
Then you have some themes which are Parody works like King Moogle’s theme being a parody of a nightmare before Christmas theme.
I think that's a good way to put it. Some of the music is amazing. It has my favorite battle theme in the entire series next to Mystic Quest. And I love when FF14 remixes music from the old games--it gets me emotional cause it comes full circle and music has always been my favorite part of FF games, and it feels like the devs have a passion for their past. But some of the music isn't my taste, and some of the music just doesn't stick for me. That's every FF game though, in my personal taste; I mostly just care for the rockin' battle and boss themes.
''It's not toxic because it's what I like doing'' Bruh moment
Man this Zack talking himself into playing XIV arc is going on forever.
At this point he'll have absorbed so many peoples opinions that when he finally gives his own it won't be as genuine.
Taking forever? He's going to be playing it in like a week lol
@@unou588 and it's been months since he started watching WOWrefugees videos on why XIV is so good.
@@wisp1609 His personal beliefs are timetabled to WoW patches, you can't rush it
probably he lets some of his viewers level so they can help him playing.
@@wisp1609 still 7 or 8 months faster than any wow content updates.
So whos going to tell asmon that thay "red dragon" was basically a gundam
Holy crap really
@@mexicanjojo6369 ya more or less. Imagine a gundam but it eats "gods" and if you get your ass kicked to much you fuse with the cockpit. Forever
@@Sin-Faoladh That's rad
@@mexicanjojo6369 It's basically an Evangelion-type story.
@@mexicanjojo6369 Yeah, Ruby Weapon and it's brothers are mechs in FF14, in FF7 they are monster that protect the planet and FF15 they are daemons.
The part where he's talking about negative feedback, of course there is, just not in the way he's thinking. For most, the negative feedback in WoW is something along the lines of people discouraging you from playing because they all think you suck when in reality you're new. In FF14 and i can personally atest to this, the negative feedback comes in the form of instructions from more experienced players. I remember we were doing one of the first dungeons, Tam-Tam, and I was a tank. We wiped because the healer died because i wasn't protecting her. When we came back, the healer gave me instructions, hold X enmity while the DPSer's hit otherwise the boss targets the healer and can kill them quite easily. So i stuck with the old, Heavy Weapons Guy strategy by being the biggest nuisance ever to the mobs and guess what? It worked. Healer lived, DPS took out the minions and then we beat the boss. I got a shiny new axe from it and then from then on i knew how to tank for low level dungeons up to The Manner anyways
I think that point about “the story of WoW was what YOU the player made it” is really exemplary of a common difference in design philosophy between western and Japanese RPGs.
WRPGs tend to be more open and less focused on a main, linear narrative. They tend to allow you to decide your own role in the world - a lot of them have different factions to side with, good/evil reputation systems, more open stat building systems, different dialogue options that actually change stuff later on, etc. The choices you make often dictate how the story plays out - at least to some extent - and the games tend to be more focused on allowing you to go wherever you want and do whatever you want. They’ll often encourage playing through multiple times to experience all possible paths the story can follow or try out different character builds. But because they’re so open and free, the writers can’t be certain about what the player character is like because every playthrough will be different. This means they need to make story scenarios that are open ended enough to make sense in any given playthrough.
JRPGs, on the other hand, tend to have more linear, fleshed out stories and characters. Your role as the hero is often decided for you, and the games usually take you from point a to point b with the only non-linearity coming from optional content. The protagonists of JRPGs are more likely to have their own personalities, desires, and goals when compared to WRPG protags whose personalities are often determined by whatever dialogue option the player picks. (Silent protagonists are the usual choice when going for a player insert - though they’re still rarely given the same player agency as a WRPG protag is.) Having the story follow one single path and having the protagonist have a prewritten arc can allow for stronger storytelling and better characters development because it doesn’t need to account for the player choosing to follow a different path. The trade off, of course, is limited player agency and replay value.
TL;DR WRPGs are usually designed around player agency and freedom. You decide what your role in the world is. Meanwhile, JRPGs are usually designed around the storyline and characters. The story dictates your role in the world.
"All you have to do to find toxicity is find a thing that makes someones mad"
Well, but isn't looking for something that makes someone mad and using it against them to get them mad is toxicity in itself?...
Perhaps...but getting mad over stupid shit is just as toxic.
@@Booplesn00tgaming In some ways yes. The community suddenly becomes very toxic if you criticize even the smallest thing about FF14. It's always been that way, but it's worse now because the game is getting so much more attention than it used to. Probably stems from a legacy of a bad 1.0, and a middle-of-the-road experience in ARR turning most people away, making the rest of us feel like we had to defend our interest in this game with cat girls.
There's only so many times you can listen to people who haven't even played it say "weeb shit KEKW" before you lose your patience
He's saying people get butthurt too easily.
I'd say it doesn't matter if the toxicity only come from things that you won't encounter from playing the game.
Yes, you can say that the community is shit or whatever outside of the game context, like when you criticise their game.
But it's just worse than in one instance you can encouter toxicity from just playing. Like, you just want to have fun and have a good time, and suddenly you either have to suck up some bullshit or be ready to fight back.
On the other hands in context like giving criticisim, you'd have to already prepare yourself to the feedback from other people.
Love Asmon but that "forced positivity" take is so weird to me. Started wow and ff 2 months ago with bias towards wow but the new player experience was horrible so I continued with ff. Literally never had to search anything online because of how helpful the player base was. Explained everything from boss mechanics to questing/leveling. Were they being forced to help me? Did my first raid and mentioned it in chat, which I never do. 1-2 players stayed behind every time we moved somewhere new to make sure I wasn't having trouble and offered to help when we were done. Guess they were forced as well. Halfway through Stromblood and only through Asmons videos did I learn how we are all forced to be positive.
I hope people realise, many of us have actual responsibilities and just want to chill. Not all of us enjoy being toxic and constantly competing with others or getting into confrontations. Judging a community through Twitter is also not a smart idea xD
Dude wow new player experience is awful, I started in legion and Jesus that was confusing, also there is NO ONE hanging around the old content, terrible experience.
But he doesnt force positivity, he is trying to be open minded and chat just doesnt stop talking about ff, lol
@@saulosilva1236 I started and I remember not seeing a single player for long period of times xD
@@xXSinForLifeXx can't walk through any city without seeing dozens of new players in FF14.
While yes game is free to play upto 60, I've seen Sprouts over level 60. It's a literal flood. How much is WoW refugees and how much is free trial we don't know.
@@xXSinForLifeXx Guess you ignored everything else I said but before you got butthurt and typed a dumb comment, you should've tried to see what I actually meant.
I did see 100s of new players leveling with me but you can make an excuse that its cause of the hype. What you didn't bother checking out is that almost all beginner zones are FILLED with new and old players, who are ACTUALLY INTERACTING with each other. Unlike you, I don't worship a corporate entity and will say FF is shit if I think it is. I don't need to make up lies and defend these companies like you do so stop projecting :)
@@xXSinForLifeXx I got my brother in law on the game 2 days ago and he was doing open world content with a bunch of low lvl players who hist started up the game. FF all content is mandatory and roulettes rotate daily so ppl are more or less running everything in perpetuity. Especially with the influx of new players cuz of the Endwalker hype.
I really appreciate your open mindedness on these topics as of late Asmon. Hearing your insight is quite enjoyable to watch.
Asmon (1month ago) : I come for raid! Why doing gambling?
Asmon (now) : Okay, I was wrong about gambling.
jesse : vanilla wow didn't ahve one big over arching story.
asmon : i wouldn't say that, i think wow had a lot of small stories, just not one big one.
me : ^,-
The thing about vanilla WoW's over arching story is that it's not really told to you directly, and all the bits about factions and races, the "small stories", converge onto the main plotlines. I've been told that even everything happening as low level as Westfall can be tied to Blackrock Mountain.
@@AnaseSkyrider And that's one storyline. Naxx does not connect to AQ which does not connect to MC which does not connect to ZG. The whole Onyxia storyline was unique in Vanilla WoW. Most storylines are contained within their own zone, and some zones like Darkshore, Azhara, Barrens, well actually most of Kalimdor don't have any real narrative within the zone either. There's a number of plot threads that span multiple zones like Moira Bronzebeard and Eranikus that just dead end nonsensibly.
A lot of Vanilla WoW is just "things happen, deal with it," and usually that just involves sudden and inexplicable murder orders from rather questionable people.
Lol I caught that too.
There is no feeling of forced positivity on ffxiv. The reason toxicity in ffxiv is less prevalent isn't because of the threat of a ban, its because that's how the community is, and people adapt to those around them. Going into ffxiv you will subconsciously become less toxic over time just for being in the game. Informational videos overemphasize the ban of toxic people to the point where we can't blame anyone for thinking the devs hold ban hammers above everyones heads, ready to strike anyone with toxic behavior. That is never a thought most people have.
Ill must say idk if someone is reading this in comparison ive started wow 10 years ago as a healer and i got kicked out of the group becoause i did bad and whiped my team. The same happened to me 3 TIMES in ff14 and the tank said " look i know you try youre best and it doesnt work so stick with me, ill show you where you should stay, dont worry about my hp, just watch me and repeat after we wipe again" and it worked and i felt dumb at this moment but never failed my positioning ever again what made me so happry. they didnt kick me but showed me by mistakes to improve my gameplay what never would have happened in wow
I was playing a low level tank in FF XIV, and I found a FATE, which are mini zones with a temporal low importance event eveybody can join. It was a really big slug, and I was tanking it but I was going to need potions, and then a lancer appeared, and he starting attacking and it went faster. The slug divides into smaller and then smaller slugs, so We continued hunting until I realized I could use the area attack to tank them and then they would not attack the lancer. And if the lancer is alive, the fight gets easier.
It was really wonderful and powerful moment, so after the fight we became friends. I never had such powerful moments in wow, where people would center on pointing out that I should have been tanking everything from the beginning, instead of noticing how I was learning to tank at that moment.
As an old WoW player, I can see where Asmongold is coming from about the starting story for your character, but at the same time the guy in the video is right, I don't know what happened in vanilla WoW and I feel every new expansion for WoW followed the DBZ chapter formula. Beat big baddie boss -> new expansion and a new stronger big baddie shows up -> train and gear up to beat that boss and repeat.
The core reason for this is because of how WoW's actual gameplay goes; you can't really play in a way that capitalized individual skill over stats since you can't do many different kinds of different combat options outside of right click attack move and select a skill. There isn't gameplay like timed dodging, blocking, countering, or spells that emulate these (there's super defense, invulnerability, and evasion buffs, but you're not doing the actual controlled action of performing these).
As such, the only way to make the game more challenging is to just power creep. The gameplay is too simple to allow for sideways power dynamics, or making things more difficult because they work/fight differently despite being at a similar or same power level. Take Monster Hunter for example; one of the most difficult monsters in the franchise according to the fanbase on average is a mid-low tiered monster called Barioth. Stat-wise it's not strong, but its really difficult because it's super fast and aggressive to the point where its lowish stats don't matter in comparison. The final bosses in every single Souls game, despite having the highest stats, are considered to be some of the easiest because they're simpler than previous weaker bosses that are considered much harder. Almost everyone agrees that in Dark Souls 3, Pontiff Sulyvahn, a midgame boss, is way harder than Soul of Cinder, the final boss who refills his hp bar the first time you empty it.
WoW...is physically incapable of emulating non-stat oriented challenge in its gameplay for this reason. Not for the lack of trying (many attempts have been made), but because without a complete overhaul on how every aspect of combat works, the game is too much of a "having bigger number wins" game.
@@revolversnake126 Ah yes, thank you, I did not think of that. Please tell me what happens, you seem to be wise in the ways of knowing WoWs story. Enlighten me with what is going on when I first start the game.
sylvanas is smaller than denathrius
@@joshuakim5240 Yes, World of Warcraft is an RPG. This is not big news, and says exactly nothing about how much individual skill is needed or the depth of possible interactions.
@@Dronesh_Tythun No matter how much you've played WoW, jesse cox is still gonna be the guy on the video.
“The only reason you don’t see toxicity is because it’s gonna get you banned” that’s... good? What else can they do send you a coupon to a therapist and pray?
Lol i even report people who talk shit to new players... And i think how they handle toxic players is the way to go. And because how things are made, people don't get that frustrated to get toxic like hell. In Wow... Ah i don't even want to talk about it, you can get abused in chat any second when you just want an answer to a question :))
He would rather people just be toxic over the game being sanitized to the point where everyone you speak to is a fake representation of themselves. To each their own, I guess.
He's also wrong about that. He heard FF14 devs actually police toxicity and he is assuming it's overreaching. You don't get banned for saying someone sucks and getting upset. You only get banned for channeling "the barrens" chat, being super toxic/racist, or directly attacking how other people are playing the game.
@@jonathanborba9280 You can get a warning for telling someone that they suck. This has happened many times. It all depends on their mood and whether or not they want to report you. Honestly, I've reported people who were pissing me off despite them not saying anything that was even that bad. All you have to do in the GM report is say that what they said made you uncomfortable or anxious or whatever and more likely than not the person you are reporting will get a warning.
@@sungiant2000 yeah, cause telling someone “you suck” is a dick move, and mildly toxic. You can say “hey, can you please use on the boss”, or “please use ” or whatever. Because you can see the flashy skills from other players, if you know how to play those jobs you can tell without looking at a dps meter whether or not they’re playing it right, so it’s easy to avoid mentioning a dps meter when asking someone to improve. “Your dot isn’t on the boss, can you put it up pls?” “Hey, I haven’t seen your ground skill, try using it on for a bit faster kills”
You get banned for being a dick, not offering advice.
This will probably never get read, but regarding toxic people.
-I restarted WoW after about 4 years, Que'd for an instance and mentioned I was new. No one said anything, they took off running and I followed, they done some weaving around enemies and I somehow fell behind by like 2 seconds and pulled a patrol. They kept running and I died. I ran back to where I died at, past the patrol...only to be totally lost not knowing which pathways they weaved around, I died 2 more times after asking for help and nothing, then was kicked.
-When people on FF14 ask for help or say they are new, people will walk with them, even stop and take a moment to explain something.
That's how the inflated ego basement dwellers roll. You dont have the mount they have = KICK, you need help in a raid = KICK
Toss in some drug use and you have a kick happy raid leader
When you enter the dungeon say you are new and 'let me know if I need to know something' and you will be fine, new players are so rare and the phase is so fast that this is usually never a problem, do that and you're fine
@@Quantumfluxfield You do that in WoW you get ejected from the raid.
I like how the entire chat is shitting on a game they probably haven't even played
- wow difficulty is reactive. the goal is to enforce the illusion of no "choreography" by making the "dance steps" and the sequence of said steps random. it's like a twitch reaction in an fps or a "read" in a fighting game.
- ffxiv difficulty is proactive. the encounter doubles down on the choreography and increases the number of steps you have to know. this in addition to the patterns that your rotation has. it's like a mastered combo in tekken, or a pattern of movements in a platforming speed run.
I was doing Titan Ex on minilv the other day and we kept wiping after the first phase because we had a new tank that seemed to really enjoy getting knocked off the platform so I got to experience this a bit. I realized that I was always pushing the same buttons in the same order and dodging the same moves after the same points in my combo. This was fun in a way, but also a bit tiring. I think I enjoy the learning process more where you don't know exactly what buttons to press, and you have to adjust on the fly and sometimes you fuck up your rotation because you were overwhelmed by a mechanic. I'll have to see how I feel about it in Ultimates but I'm not there yet.
Bro yesterday I got into Delubrum Reginae and there was no healer, on top of that only me (NIN) and a tank had Cure IV, so I had to add another "mechanic" (watching other's HP) into my brain while also doing NIN stuff, plus reading bosses' mechanics was near impossible to me rofl, I felt my brain melting
Proactive memorization to me is WAY HARDER than WoW's reactive. For one you have add ons anyway in WoW that tell you what to do so not like it matters and 14 is designed in a way where you have to do the dancing near perfect to actually clear when it releases.
@@Deminese2 nah, proactive memorization is easier, you just have to study the fight and then can blindly do it cuz its always the same
@@martinalegre5524 Eeeeeeh Arguable, depends the type of person and class you're playing. Some 14 rotations are incredibly long and if you fuck them up you can fuck up your entire dps rotation for multiple cycles which can ruin the tight dps checks that exist in the raids. I've raided in WoW and I found them personally incredibly easy. I was #1 dps in my guild and it was my first time raiding meanwhile 14 raids on savage I found a lot harder to clear and manage my rotation on BLM as it is incredibly tight on a timed schedule from the very nature of the classes mechanics.
I just love how Asmon went into a rant about the FF endgame graphic when all he does in WoW is precisely the same thing: Gathering, Crafting, Transmog and Gambling
last couple of videos he was more chill and open minded, seems like he is in an inbetween of level headed normal player and wow fanatic. This video tho it seems like being challenged so often raised his shield again a little bit and dropped some ooga booga takes.
I think that it's overstated in FF14 about all those other things, because as for myself, if you said the endgame was all about crafting/gathering/social/etc I would probably dislike the game too. It's not that those things are the focus, it's that the endgame is completely free to do whatever you want, unlike WoW where they don't value your time and make you grind out things that you don't want to do. So different people use that time in different ways. There are tons of goals you can set for yourself including high end raiding.
hes shitposting
@@TehMarche ……. No. He’s not. He’s having an actual discussion about 2 competing games.
As an FFXIV player that is primarily a raider (I have been in the same raid static for around 4 ish years now), savage content (raids), and ultimates are challenging, fun and engaging and give cool rewards! Despite the casualness they push for ff players, the raiding aspect is actually really challenging and a time sink, but only like 15% of the player base if i recall actually does savage and ultimate content. I really encourage any new players (especially if you're WoW refugees) to try FF out with raid content in mind!
Going back to this video today is pretty interesting. His chat was *very* stupid and outright braindead before he started playing FF XIV, damn. You see his chat nowadays and I swear they either instantly matured 5 years or the people from this video just left and he got new, better chatters now.
I was thinking the same thing, I think it's the same people just they saw him play the game and having a fun time so it's no longer cool to DansGame Weebs anymore. The same people who where bashing FFXIV last month are probably Kreygasming whenever Minfilia or Y'shtola come on stream. The mindset of a lot of the chat just reflects Asmons views at the time. He was more skeptical of the games art style; if it will really be good etc... Before he played it. Now that he's petting catgirls in game spamming "weeb game" would be just be dumb, so chat adapted.
I like to play a game which is "Which video will asmon react to next:?" 2 video streak so far!!!! Les goooo!
So what’s the next video he’s going to watch?
@@jacobzerah617 I don't think it's out yet. It's usually is a video I see in my YT feed. I will come back and place my bet if I see one.
@@jacobzerah617 probably bellular
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FFXIV is an MMO that's all about presenting a story and respecting one's time and money. WoW is an MMO that's all about repeatable content that doesn't respect your time and money because it wants as much as it can get.
"FFXIV is an MMO that's all about presenting a story and respecting one's time and money."
And thus why Asmon will not last a year without buying a toon boost. He cant help it he is brainwashed to buy the end game rather than actually earn it. Blizzard made him that way with their level boosts and addons that hold you hand in raids.
@@Elfnetdesigns lolol, this aged nice
@@Elfnetdesigns Well seems like what you said hasn’t come true
Yoshi-P has actively said that he WANTS you to take a break and enjoy some of the other great games out there. The lulls in content are actively designed for. FF14 is great because it respects my time, I can enjoy the raids and then take time off once I have all my loot.
I want to hear Asmon's opinion on the visuals again, now that he's actually played FFXIV. For me, WoW's aesthetic/style look like some high schooler's doodle on their pocket folders.
WoW: Groups sometimes form to farm rare monsters.
FF14: Groups form 95% of the time to farm rare monsters.
Asmongold: See they're the same!
WoW: Toxic people everywhere in the game.
FF14: Toxic people on Twitter defending the game.
Asmongold: See they're the same!
This right here. lol
His IQ goes down along with his hair follicles it seems
Probably because WoW is a lot grindier tha FF?
he has managed to put in hours of watching & talking about final fantasy 14 more than he ever will playing the actual game
@@Tobiemoss kek thinking ashes will actually good is a huge cope
@@YGO_Recut its a even bigger cope if he thinks that ashes even gonna come out soon lmao
@@niksolu he thinks that it's about 2 years ripl release
He might already been playing ff14 and we wouldn't know. He might be dragging and just doing this for views
Sadly true. His viewers probably gonna chock him for playing FFXIV
Re: toxicity: as a female gamer, I can say that FFXIV is the single least toxic environment I've ever encountered. Wow? Pretty toxic.
FF14's story telling is about you and your experiences (you as in your character). WoW's storytelling is your character acting as a vessel to experience a story that isn't about you. Not necessarily a bad thing but it does make it harder to care about the story.
jesse has no idea how how difficult raids in ffxiv actually work. He doesn't even do it. He's been carried by so many people its kind of insane.
Same with his stance on PvP. Definitely hasn’t played it much or at high ranks of feast.
If playing FF makes you a weeb, playing wow makes you a furry for sure. Tauren, pandas, vulp, worgen ect ect
@@shoban Having skin is overrated, Forsaken is the only option.
You don't start off as a worgen in Lingerie and high-heels
@@sirnonapplicable you mustve had a vastly different wow experience than everyone else 😔
Most furries are weebs
No shot bro you guys have cat girls your the ones who are furrys tryna fuck half cat half girls weirdo
WOW could never even hold a candle to FF14's crafting. I don't call a 1 button press crafting at all. FF14 has the most intricate and complex crafting system in any MMO I've ever played.
waiting for shadowbringers when he fights mr spoiler man and hears the shadowbringers theme and fucking loves it. when warrior of spoiler gives spoiler the spoiler thing and then the music peaks, that shit is fucking AMAZING and he will love it, even though he says he doesnt like the song here
"Is WoW Community toxic ?" Lol just look at chat xD (Even tho with time that chat is getting better, honestly respect to Asmon that managed to change it a lot these last few months)
But his chat aint wow community, according to comments on his videos there is a bunch of people watching him and they dont have 1 day of wow playtime
You should watch his more recent video about which are the hottest WoW characters based on how little they're wearing and fetishes ^_^
Very few of his viewers play wow.
Jesus these guys havent played real endgame FFXIV for sure. The challenging content is fucking insanely difficult ... nothing to glance over.
Exactly. Ask someone who beat Ultimate if they found that "memorable". Those shiny weapons seem to indicate they did.
14 is a challenging game altogether. That's why I play SWTOR because it's more forgiving and much less stressful, plus I'm a SW fan and never cared for FF. haha
@@qamarqammar7629 Wiped probably a factor of 20x easy while progressing TEA for the time I've spent in Ultimate. Compare that to my N/H guild doing like, 30-50 pulls on a boss tops; can't compare. Obviously top level keys and high end Mythic excluded.
@@TheRealLink You speak from some experience. I think content creators should do the same.
@@qamarqammar7629 Thanks! There's comparisons which are totally fine but there can cross a line when someone clearly doesn't know what they're taking about.
The reason I didnt care about the story in wow, is because of how ridiculous it is. What I mean by that is, you can do literally everything, but you still dont matter. You aren't in cutscenes, you aren't mentioned in the story at all. That's why I love final fantasy 14s story. You do matter. And that's something I look for in RPGs and mmos
23:00 if Asmon does Eureka all the way through I will have gained a seriously deep respect for him
Eureka *really* isn't as bad as people make it out to be lol
“controllers OMEGALUL” Was exactly what i thought when my friends tried to get me to play ffxiv on a playstation, now i honestly love some of the insane hand gymnastics i have to do just to use one skill. Mastering a class on a controller feels very good, its pretty much just like finally learning all the combos in a fighting game.
It's also about accessability. I know it's a very small minority, but for example, there's a speedrunner called halfcoordinated. he does not have coordination in his right hand, he can't grip with it. he speedruns with a controller and his left hand (only uses his right had to stabilize the controller) he's amazing, but is a game is k+m only he can't play it.
I never understand people making fun of/ being mad about MORE OPTIONS. Somehow, having to make desicions for yourself is too much for some people
FFXIV is one of those weird exceptions where I can only play with controller and I enjoy the hell out of it, and this is coming from a kb+m user through and through.
The hard fact is some of the best players I've ever seen play the game on controller. This isn't an FPS where you lose massive advantages of twitch reactions with a mouse, it's about knowledge and practice.
Yeah same, I’ve been playing on controller ever since I switched mid-heavensward and haven’t looked back. It was just natural because of the convenience and the fact that I’m more of a console gamer at heart. I only really avoided it because players in the NN kept saying it was awful to use vs mouse and keyboard until I gave it a shot. I mean it takes a lot of practice to get the muscle memory and hand dexterity down, but once that’s mastered I’d argue it’s better than mouse and keyboard in almost every regard. The only real negative I can say about it is it’s some people would rather cut out the middle man with convoluted modifier inputs and the tab targeting can be janky at times vs clicking things directly, but different strokes.
I agree. Right up to the point someone asks me something. Then the ACTUAL pain of using a controller bwgins...
The positivity in the community noes NOT have very much to do with whether or not it's EZ to get in trouble. I promise you, as someone who HAS been that kind of super toxic person in WoW, there's just a world of difference when you're playing a game you truly enjoy. If I'm in a good mood because the game is fun, I'm much more receptive to helping out newer players. Take that idea and spread it across millions of players and years of stellar performance and you get the friendliest MMO community currently on the market.
Yup, it's odd how majority of MMO's don't have nearly the same toxicity as WoW whilst not being that different, certainly not different in difficulty. You can argue back and forth if FF14 or WoW is more difficult, I'd say they're more on the same but still very different in how the battles are make up. Only major difference is lack of dungeon difficulty which I wish they'd dig into more like M+, although that may be difficult given the bosses in dungeons are a dance rather than reactionary, so ramping up the damage and such won't change anything.
@@prinstyrio0 I'm actually glad FF doesnt have a M+ equivalent. M+ is just boring to me because its generally the laziest form of difficulty increase, which is just numbers. A very large portion of M+ is just gear checks, and doesn't actually become skill based until pushing past +15's where decision making, preparedness with items, and CD usage is more important.
I'd totally be down for a hard difficulty of the dungeon content with extra mechanics or something, but no just boring number increases.
Thing is, I feel like people are just more understanding on FFXIV and I attribute that to the fact that the majority of people you'll find on the duty finder are people going through their MSQ and that just really wanna get it done for the story, or vets who are there for mentor rewards, or to farm some glamour or mount, or stuff for relic weapons, etc. If the party wipes, usually what I see is that people will say "welp, wtf happened" and that's the most negative they'll be, you'll usually try again and hopefully get it right on the second or third attempt. In WoW, I have a friend who received death threats because he fucked up in a lvl 40 RDF dungeon. Needless to say, took him years to even consider touching an MMO again.
The thing is blizzard makes you farm like it's a job so you enjoy the rewards but not the game. That's why you get very irritable. If you had to farm relic weapons to do the highest difficulty in ff14 there would be more toxicity in the game
@@Frozenkex Spoken like someone who hasn't played the game.
The dude that made that review was pretty accurate up to a point. He hasn't even done savage raids yet. :))
Roulettes are a MASSIVE part of why final fantasy newbies get treated so well. In order to do your weeklies (for exp at least) the game MAKES you run the risk of playing the FIRST dungeon, but rewards you handsomely for it, AND gives you a bonus for doing it with a new player. So veteran gets big bonus, and newbie gets a vet who knows what theyre doing, forcing that interaction from a design standpoint… its pretty great.