These questions might sound troll, but this is actually happening all the time in games lower than D2: 1. What if your support doesn't land 70% of his hooks? 2. What if your jungle doesn't come to dive when you stacked the wave? 3. What if your support doesn't let you freeze cuz he's playing Brand/Xerath/Velkoz and all he knows is perma pushing and fighting? 4. Is it even worth freezing with ranged support? 5. Let's say I frozen the wave. How do I start the fight now? If I will run through minions into opponents they will just engage 2v1 and supports often aren't as brave as me.
This video taught me that Phil just plays MF so other ADCs can't play the game. Prime example of wave management. I still have problems with setting up freezes...
It doesn't have to be complicated. You keep their wave about 1.5x the size of yours. More casters the better if you have the luxury to be able to care about that.
This. They can simply use support item to just last hit but no they use it from half hp. When they are melee they also do it especially when u want to freeze because since the wave is ckoser to you they can can move clsoer more easily.
I find 1 support in every 50 games that has a basic concept of wave management. Every time i crash my wave and tp back, support stays to take plates or farm. When im back to my lane the wave is frozen in enemy 3rd. In case i wanna freeze, my support decides to push. Sitting in Silver and this is tilting me every game. Often i ask support to stop CS, and they intentionally CS more. Nerve wrecking.
@@andreifenesan3164 if you're in silver you need to be playing with /mute all 100% of the time. Never try to communicate anything except maybe pinging on the way until at least gold preferably plat.
@@OtterSC2 most of my games are /mute all, but i still type short frazes if need to say something. Pinging is futile in Silver cus everyone spam pings.
i get it but im trying to improve and only look at my mistakes but i get literal animals as supports like a zilean who leashes until 3rd camp and didnt even took r on lv 6
Love the guides, but could you make an updated macro guide please? it just seems that season 11 league makes it so that if you do play by the old guide then either you get 1 shot from an invis khazix coming from literally nowhere or a midlaner who kills you with 2 non-ultimate abilities and makes it hard to do the things you've said in the old guide
It is less advantageous to fast push after killing Kai’Sa. A support with a brain would be pinging Kayn and move towards the river. Thresh has a yellow ward to invade the enemy jungle with Kayn, while Vi will have no backup (Kai’Sa: dead, spells on cooldown; Senna: low health, spells on cooldown; Cho’Gath: low health, Flash on cooldown, pushed under tower). From there Kayn can secure the bottom side Rift Scuttler and you will have denied a greater amount of cs from Kai’Sa, because their cannon minion will eat more minions than in the time it takes to crash your wave into their tower. You would also gain solo exp. This seems like a lot of information, but it is second nature in the highest ranks to analyze situations very quickly and press advantages as much as possible. What you showed is still more optimal than what I assume a Gold player would likely do, which is staying in lane after pushing to try and break a tower plate.
All Roles can benefit from wave management. Wave states make decisions for you. So its nice when you can manipulate it. I wish someone told my supports :(
How do i play the lane out if i have the lead with the enchanter support (nami/lulu/yuumi) against something like pyke/naut, where if i freeze the wave they will just roam to kill my mid/jg, but at the same time i cant dive enemy adc cuz my support is quite weak. What do i do in this situation? do i keep freezing? is there anything more expect spam pining enemy supp is missing? is it just better to go even with enemy, so enemy support doesnt starts rage roaming?
Recognise their weaknesses and play around them. If you can't trust your support, don't rely on them. If you know you have a poor support but continue to rely on them and it gets you killed, you can only blame yourself
This is a good but not always best strat while this effectively makes the other ADC useless freezing doesn't grant you kills unless they int so it's good if the game is relatively even and making it a 5V4 is good enough but when the sololaners are 5/0 by 6 min if you afk farm and deny you increase the gap between you and the other ADC but you don't get into a carry hard position because you have less money than the fed players on the other team and in the end it's not about beating the other ADC but winning the game which means you have to "outcarry" the fed dude on the other team so if you have less items its awkward (I'm not saying it's a bad strat ,just that it has its limitations as you're unlikely to get incredibly fed by freezing)
I disagree. It's unrealistic to assume that both top and mid are 5/0. If they are however, your team has a win condition and that is you. Depending on the comp you can realistically stall out the game as long as you can and possibly win. Some games you will just not win even challenger adcs struggle in lower elo brackets. It's always better to do this every single game even if you do not get kills. Also, you are an adc you can masterfully bait enemies into giving away their shutdowns bringing your entire team back into the game. Shutdown gold is so broken, seriously.
@@unbotheredwaffle if you're significantly better than the elo you're in turbostomping bot to be ahead of sololanes and jungle just has better results . This is a good reward vs risk strat. Just far from the highest reward. SoloQ isnt about being better than your role opponent in the end. Its about carrying hard enough to win (goes both ways. If your team wins then carrying hard enough to win means just dont go 0/15 and lose solo)
Me and my friend duo queue bot....he plays blitz while i play kaisa......we abuse the fact that kaisa is op right now and hard stomp the enemy botlane....but everytime the other enemy laners get fed....we win few fights when i get peel and lose the one's that I don't...... eventually end losing cuz of other lanes gap....what do we do? It's super annoying..... there's only soo much we can do as bot 🤷🏼♂️
this game's unrealistic bc there's no 5 man bot lane every 3 minutes
Great video, would love the opposite video too; how to catch up when you're behind :)
YES YES YES
These questions might sound troll, but this is actually happening all the time in games lower than D2:
1. What if your support doesn't land 70% of his hooks?
2. What if your jungle doesn't come to dive when you stacked the wave?
3. What if your support doesn't let you freeze cuz he's playing Brand/Xerath/Velkoz and all he knows is perma pushing and fighting?
4. Is it even worth freezing with ranged support?
5. Let's say I frozen the wave. How do I start the fight now? If I will run through minions into opponents they will just engage 2v1 and supports often aren't as brave as me.
then you just push -> roam or take plates -> repeat
@@MissFortuneDaBes I MEAN SAME ANSWER TO ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ??
@@hallohi2414
With a poke supp you can poke enemy bot lane under their tower
@@giomongta6961 YEAH NEAT
Been struggling as adc main... But then I saw this video
Story of my life
"Mid Platinum realize this and retreat to tier 2 tower" Lol you know that this was the odd case
This video taught me that Phil just plays MF so other ADCs can't play the game. Prime example of wave management. I still have problems with setting up freezes...
It doesn't have to be complicated. You keep their wave about 1.5x the size of yours. More casters the better if you have the luxury to be able to care about that.
What should I do if my support doesn't let me freeze the wave? Most of the time I try to freeze it but my support breaks it by using the support item.
This. They can simply use support item to just last hit but no they use it from half hp. When they are melee they also do it especially when u want to freeze because since the wave is ckoser to you they can can move clsoer more easily.
I find 1 support in every 50 games that has a basic concept of wave management. Every time i crash my wave and tp back, support stays to take plates or farm. When im back to my lane the wave is frozen in enemy 3rd. In case i wanna freeze, my support decides to push. Sitting in Silver and this is tilting me every game. Often i ask support to stop CS, and they intentionally CS more. Nerve wrecking.
@@andreifenesan3164 relatable
@@andreifenesan3164 if you're in silver you need to be playing with /mute all 100% of the time. Never try to communicate anything except maybe pinging on the way until at least gold preferably plat.
@@OtterSC2 most of my games are /mute all, but i still type short frazes if need to say something. Pinging is futile in Silver cus everyone spam pings.
Wow, congrats. Thus video was truly amazing! I hope you are able to make more of these in the future
i get it but im trying to improve and only look at my mistakes but i get literal animals as supports like a zilean who leashes until 3rd camp and didnt even took r on lv 6
lmao
Just flip the coin better xD
Love the guides, but could you make an updated macro guide please? it just seems that season 11 league makes it so that if you do play by the old guide then either you get 1 shot from an invis khazix coming from literally nowhere or a midlaner who kills you with 2 non-ultimate abilities and makes it hard to do the things you've said in the old guide
yo i really believe your guides are top notch can you do a 5 minute guide on Midlane macro and lane phase
It is less advantageous to fast push after killing Kai’Sa. A support with a brain would be pinging Kayn and move towards the river. Thresh has a yellow ward to invade the enemy jungle with Kayn, while Vi will have no backup (Kai’Sa: dead, spells on cooldown; Senna: low health, spells on cooldown; Cho’Gath: low health, Flash on cooldown, pushed under tower). From there Kayn can secure the bottom side Rift Scuttler and you will have denied a greater amount of cs from Kai’Sa, because their cannon minion will eat more minions than in the time it takes to crash your wave into their tower. You would also gain solo exp. This seems like a lot of information, but it is second nature in the highest ranks to analyze situations very quickly and press advantages as much as possible. What you showed is still more optimal than what I assume a Gold player would likely do, which is staying in lane after pushing to try and break a tower plate.
i always press the like button
All Roles can benefit from wave management. Wave states make decisions for you. So its nice when you can manipulate it. I wish someone told my supports :(
How do i play the lane out if i have the lead with the enchanter support (nami/lulu/yuumi) against something like pyke/naut, where if i freeze the wave they will just roam to kill my mid/jg, but at the same time i cant dive enemy adc cuz my support is quite weak.
What do i do in this situation? do i keep freezing? is there anything more expect spam pining enemy supp is missing? is it just better to go even with enemy, so enemy support doesnt starts rage roaming?
the biggest problem is not my enemy.. is my support..any tips for that
Recognise their weaknesses and play around them. If you can't trust your support, don't rely on them. If you know you have a poor support but continue to rely on them and it gets you killed, you can only blame yourself
@@jonny9071 or the fact that my support is feeding and steals cs
This is a good but not always best strat
while this effectively makes the other ADC useless
freezing doesn't grant you kills unless they int
so it's good if the game is relatively even and making it a 5V4 is good enough
but when the sololaners are 5/0 by 6 min if you afk farm and deny you increase the gap between you and the other ADC but you don't get into a carry hard position because you have less money than the fed players on the other team and in the end it's not about beating the other ADC but winning the game which means you have to "outcarry" the fed dude on the other team so if you have less items its awkward
(I'm not saying it's a bad strat ,just that it has its limitations as you're unlikely to get incredibly fed by freezing)
I disagree. It's unrealistic to assume that both top and mid are 5/0. If they are however, your team has a win condition and that is you. Depending on the comp you can realistically stall out the game as long as you can and possibly win. Some games you will just not win even challenger adcs struggle in lower elo brackets. It's always better to do this every single game even if you do not get kills. Also, you are an adc you can masterfully bait enemies into giving away their shutdowns bringing your entire team back into the game. Shutdown gold is so broken, seriously.
@@unbotheredwaffle if you're significantly better than the elo you're in turbostomping bot to be ahead of sololanes and jungle just has better results .
This is a good reward vs risk strat. Just far from the highest reward.
SoloQ isnt about being better than your role opponent in the end. Its about carrying hard enough to win (goes both ways. If your team wins then carrying hard enough to win means just dont go 0/15 and lose solo)
Me and my friend duo queue bot....he plays blitz while i play kaisa......we abuse the fact that kaisa is op right now and hard stomp the enemy botlane....but everytime the other enemy laners get fed....we win few fights when i get peel and lose the one's that I don't...... eventually end losing cuz of other lanes gap....what do we do? It's super annoying..... there's only soo much we can do as bot 🤷🏼♂️
This all seems dependant on whether or not your teammates aren't completely braindead, and mine always are 😂
what if your team collapses when u freeze?
then you pounce the enemy bot lane with your team, eff the freeze get the kills shove and B. wave will reset near your tower by the time you walk back
look at map score like how are u losing thys match every body is winning in his team
A fed rammus goes brrrr and kills me under tower
I’m trying to get m7 on mf (2more tokens) and it feels so impossible
So hope u have a supp diff gotcha lol
true...but a good enemy jugler can counter all this...at least to an extend...
You cant absoluty do that strategy in a low elo cause ur support will leave you 1 vs 2 and youll get killed
yeah right, now make a vod review when rest of the lanes are losing, its pretty harder then