Like others have already stated, an Armory Craft or DPM spring kit will take care of your issue. The comp is very effective sending a lot the energy to run the slide upward. Any good compensator will require tuning. I have an Icarus grip for the P365, it truly makes the best CCW gun under $1500.00 even better!
I’ve researching the PMM comps and the Icarus EVO frame. But it’s clear that the comp requires spring tuning of some kind (maybe the DPM kit). The brass bouncing of the MRDoptic and back into the ejection port is a common theme.
@GBGuns yes I had same problem with hitting red dots on race guns had to play with ejector, because compensator can change ejection patterns. Just a thought. You're probably right 👍
Great insight on the optics relation to malfunctions. I bought a VP9L with a Trijicon SRO for my wife, and she gets the same malfunctions that Ms Teya gets. It’s a function of ammo, how she holds the gun, how she reacts to the recoil impulse and importantly, the size of that optic!
IDK - I've seen you guys shoot just as well, with more mundane setups. Seems it needs more tinkering with load selection or spring rates before I'd proclaim it good to go.
Only thing that i would like differently would be a slide with a rear sight for full cowitness, Apart from that It looks amazing also the holosun and the gun look great together really slick looking set up.
Way back during the 70s and 80s custom made guns came out with various lengths and porting designs for the 1911. The problem was that during speed rock drills,. the gas from the ports would hit the shooter's face and other parts of the body. A solution was to move the gun to the right so that the gas would expel towards the right side. A friend who did not care much for compensators,. opted to have the barrel attachment left unported, thus having a solid barrel weight which slightly dampens recoil but not as much as a compensator.. The size of the Icarus comp reminded me of that barrel weight. That is one nice pistol 🔫 GB!!
Think red dots are cool. I have the xl & have pondered getting one.that brass was whopping that 507 every round w tia shooting. Hmmmm..keeping gun stock for now. Main reason is DS is what I prefer by far. GP is next gun I’m getting unless I see a super bargain.always on the lookout for used S&W revolvers. & anything else nice. Stock xl seems fine as is for me. Maybe put some grip tape. ?.have a urge to do something to it but it is good as is. For a striker fired that isn’t exactly my thang. Y’all be good.
Could need some more break in still maybe? My 365 PMM didn't really have a break in period, but my 3.9 320 PMM had a period where it would only run nato or +p for about 300 rounds. Now it's all good with even 115 aluminum and that is now my favorite round to practice with.
Not necessarily. I have a bunch of guns with a dot and comp with factory guide rod with no problems. The funny thing is my Sig P320 will have stovepipes here and there. Mostly just with steel or aluminum case, but they’re malfunctions non the less. Sig polymer guns just don’t scream reliability to me. Kinda meh.
@@96stealth pistol are typically under sprung just like rifles are over gassed this has the reliability of stock pistols and let them fire a range of ammunition. When you shoot Comped pistols the barrel hood is pressing against the top of the interior of the slide. This slows the action and causes the malfunctions you just saw. Kind of hard to blame this problem on sig when the only sig parts in this are the fire control unit. Every other part of that gun has been replaced.
@@EvanDickersonM81 To me it’s still a yes and no. The design of how the slide works with the extractor and ejector are most likely with in spec of factory slides. Either way, like I’ve said you could take a completely factory P365 milled from the factory with a dot already on it. Get a threaded barrel and comp and have the same issues. That’s exactly what happened with my P320. Malfunctions are few and far between and mostly not brass, but it has more hang ups than my other guns. Which are mixed and matched, a couple P80’s and all factory with the exception of the comp, port or barrel. I have an XD mod.2 in 4”, and 3 XDM’s. I can put any of those slides on any lower. 2 of them have threaded barrels. The 3.8” elite (which has an aftermarket threaded barrel) and an Elite 4.5” w/factory TB. I’ve mixed the different guide rods with different spring weights. Tried probably 4 different comps. Changed triggers. Have had a few different optics and one of the XDMs has a dovetail mount even. Thousands of rounds and not one malfunction. I know this is the internet and anyone can make any claim, but it’s true. Plus a bunch more guns with similar set ups with virtually no issues. To continue the long rant 🤷♂️ (sorry) one thing I’ve noticed at least with the 320 is it’s a tight lockup when there’s a round chambered. Like unnecessary tight. Oh that helps with accuracy. Not in my testing. I bench test out to 50 yards and 320 was in line with any premium gun. Nothing amazing. Comparing the ease of extraction to like a Beretta PX4 is night and day. Pulling the slide back to get a round out of the chamber is like there’s not even a round in there. The Sig you feel every bit of getting that round out and that’s with both barrels that I have. Ok, different platform sample of one, but I’ve seen a lot people have issues with their Sigs and they just shrug their shoulders and say but it’s a Sig. Honest Outlaw has taken a lot of crap for the problems he’s had. Again just my experiences and research. Which is quite a bit. Not sold on their designs and there’s a lot to like.
Kinda suprised to hear both of you rave about a gun that was consistantly malfunctioning. If you find the source of the problem (red dot or whatever) and can resolve the issue, then I might be more interested in this set up. As it is, it's a hard no for me.
It's an incredible shooting experience. We don't let third-party modifications impact our opinion of the object we're evaluating. This was a loaner kit sent to us with the dot on it so we ran it that way, if it were ours we'd have either tried a different dot or run it with irons and not had the issues.
@@SerenGetter we don't have one of those slides at our disposal, and the dust cover (rail) of this grip would be too long as it's extended to fit the PMM comp.
Thanks for showing us this innovative product. I have to say that trying to cherry pick ammo to optimize its reliability (instead of its accuracy) for a carry gun is a turn off for me.
I have 3 different P365s, 1 SAS and 2 XLs, haven't had a malf yet and I only shoot high volume. The 2nd XL has the Holosun K. I've put the SAS and first XL through multiple 2-day/1-night courses since 2020.
It's not the dot by itself that is causing the issue for this combo, it's the dot and the comp. The comp set the ejection in a slightly different direction which happens to hit the geometry of this dot model just right.
@@GBGuns thx. To much fixing something that isn’t broken here for me. Bet the aluminum grip feels good. That hump looks right. But bought a polymer micro reliable gun to be able to go light & camp,fish ,maybe flip a canoe & not worry about my nice metal guns. Dropped xl in course wet sand at a camp site and didn’t clean it till next day. Was fine. Tapped out the dirt & blew on it & back together it went. Staying stock for now fo sho. But thx for showing that stuff.
I built the same set up and I haven't have any malfunctions in over 1000 rounds! The difference may be that I put a 365 recoil spring no the 365XL. maybe you can check on that.
@@RobC0313 Not yet, I have the ICARUS slide with PMM barrel and compensator and the ICARUS POR Elite A.C.E. aluminum grip and is fantastic I put the HULOSUN 507K and this bundle shoots fantastic! is my EDC!
I’m trying to determine from the Icarus site if the straight 365 Grip with a standard (not XL) slide and PMM micro comp combo results in a OAL that is roughly the same size as a stock 365XL?
Kinda. Compensators add weight at the end of the barrel where they apply the most leverage on the action. That requires more energy to move. Some compensators don't even need to be gas-efficient to work, they simply add weight and that's what reduces perceived recoil and muzzle flip.
@@GBGuns yeah. Because of all these things I’m hesitant to put a comp on my duty gun. It seems like the more after market stuff I put on it the less reliable it becomes.
@@harris7066 That's fair. The guns were designed to work within certain parameters, change a parameter and performance will change. The grip modules however are a safe change.
" 365" isn't that model number already taken by SIG ?? I guess this IS a SIG ?? Does Mercedes-Benz name their sports car "911" 👎 And an argument against optics. In a panic situation, do you have time to fiddle fart with brightness, not zero sighted ??? other electronic failures?? The cases were clearly bouncing off the optic. Come back with out optics and known BEST functioning ammo. And run it long duration to see if the PMM compensator comes loose. 👍 Love your , and Teya's road tests 😲👍💥🎯☮️
The firearm IS indeed a Sig, it's a P365 FCU inside. The grip module and slide are from Icarus Precision, barrel and compensator from Parker Mountain Machine.
Ive been looking for this kinda data everywhere, definitely earned a subscribe from me. Thanks so much!
Thank you and welcome to the channel!
Like others have already stated, an Armory Craft or DPM spring kit will take care of your issue. The comp is very effective sending a lot the energy to run the slide upward. Any good compensator will require tuning. I have an Icarus grip for the P365, it truly makes the best CCW gun under $1500.00 even better!
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I have this setup. Dpm spring set will fix this. I ran 500 though mine no problems.
Sweet pistol
I'd definitely like to see how a spectre comp slide functions with the new Evo grip.
I’ve researching the PMM comps and the Icarus EVO frame.
But it’s clear that the comp requires spring tuning of some kind (maybe the DPM kit).
The brass bouncing of the MRDoptic and back into the ejection port is a common theme.
Spring tune up probably and I’m sure you will stop the malfunction!!! Great video!!!
That string of malfunctions at the spinner was hilarious
It was good training!
Great stuff thank you
Great review. I'm sure could be compensator related also. I know when I played with race guns compensator coelates with ejection of lighter loads
And red dots if the brass is hitting them
@GBGuns yes I had same problem with hitting red dots on race guns had to play with ejector, because compensator can change ejection patterns. Just a thought. You're probably right 👍
Great insight on the optics relation to malfunctions. I bought a VP9L with a Trijicon SRO for my wife, and she gets the same malfunctions that Ms Teya gets. It’s a function of ammo, how she holds the gun, how she reacts to the recoil impulse and importantly, the size of that optic!
IDK - I've seen you guys shoot just as well, with more mundane setups. Seems it needs more tinkering with load selection or spring rates before I'd proclaim it good to go.
Only thing that i would like differently would be a slide with a rear sight for full cowitness,
Apart from that It looks amazing also the holosun and the gun look great together really slick looking set up.
Way back during the 70s and 80s custom made guns came out with various lengths and porting designs for the 1911. The problem was that during speed rock drills,. the gas from the ports would hit the shooter's face and other parts of the body. A solution was to move the gun to the right so that the gas would expel towards the right side.
A friend who did not care much for compensators,. opted to have the barrel attachment left unported, thus having a solid barrel weight which slightly dampens recoil but not as much as a compensator.. The size of the Icarus comp reminded me of that barrel weight. That is one nice pistol 🔫 GB!!
Think red dots are cool. I have the xl & have pondered getting one.that brass was whopping that 507 every round w tia shooting. Hmmmm..keeping gun stock for now. Main reason is DS is what I prefer by far. GP is next gun I’m getting unless I see a super bargain.always on the lookout for used S&W revolvers. & anything else nice. Stock xl seems fine as is for me. Maybe put some grip tape. ?.have a urge to do something to it but it is good as is. For a striker fired that isn’t exactly my thang. Y’all be good.
Do another shooting impression with iron sights , its accuracy with the dot is impressive.
Could need some more break in still maybe? My 365 PMM didn't really have a break in period, but my 3.9 320 PMM had a period where it would only run nato or +p for about 300 rounds. Now it's all good with even 115 aluminum and that is now my favorite round to practice with.
Comped guns need hotter loads or softer springs.
Not necessarily. I have a bunch of guns with a dot and comp with factory guide rod with no problems. The funny thing is my Sig P320 will have stovepipes here and there. Mostly just with steel or aluminum case, but they’re malfunctions non the less. Sig polymer guns just don’t scream reliability to me. Kinda meh.
@@96stealth pistol are typically under sprung just like rifles are over gassed this has the reliability of stock pistols and let them fire a range of ammunition. When you shoot Comped pistols the barrel hood is pressing against the top of the interior of the slide. This slows the action and causes the malfunctions you just saw. Kind of hard to blame this problem on sig when the only sig parts in this are the fire control unit. Every other part of that gun has been replaced.
@@EvanDickersonM81 To me it’s still a yes and no. The design of how the slide works with the extractor and ejector are most likely with in spec of factory slides. Either way, like I’ve said you could take a completely factory P365 milled from the factory with a dot already on it. Get a threaded barrel and comp and have the same issues.
That’s exactly what happened with my P320. Malfunctions are few and far between and mostly not brass, but it has more hang ups than my other guns. Which are mixed and matched, a couple P80’s and all factory with the exception of the comp, port or barrel.
I have an XD mod.2 in 4”, and 3 XDM’s. I can put any of those slides on any lower. 2 of them have threaded barrels. The 3.8” elite (which has an aftermarket threaded barrel) and an Elite 4.5” w/factory TB. I’ve mixed the different guide rods with different spring weights. Tried probably 4 different comps. Changed triggers. Have had a few different optics and one of the XDMs has a dovetail mount even. Thousands of rounds and not one malfunction. I know this is the internet and anyone can make any claim, but it’s true. Plus a bunch more guns with similar set ups with virtually no issues.
To continue the long rant 🤷♂️ (sorry) one thing I’ve noticed at least with the 320 is it’s a tight lockup when there’s a round chambered. Like unnecessary tight. Oh that helps with accuracy. Not in my testing. I bench test out to 50 yards and 320 was in line with any premium gun. Nothing amazing. Comparing the ease of extraction to like a Beretta PX4 is night and day. Pulling the slide back to get a round out of the chamber is like there’s not even a round in there. The Sig you feel every bit of getting that round out and that’s with both barrels that I have.
Ok, different platform sample of one, but I’ve seen a lot people have issues with their Sigs and they just shrug their shoulders and say but it’s a Sig. Honest Outlaw has taken a lot of crap for the problems he’s had.
Again just my experiences and research. Which is quite a bit. Not sold on their designs and there’s a lot to like.
Not enough power to cycle the slide. Compensator requires hot ammo. Or soft springs. Empty case bounced back from red dot?
Yes, the cases bounced off the red dot and back into the ejection port
Where's the sas version?
That slide is too short for this grip module.
Graham it was looking like you were having erratic extraction problems to me I think.
Kinda suprised to hear both of you rave about a gun that was consistantly malfunctioning. If you find the source of the problem (red dot or whatever) and can resolve the issue, then I might be more interested in this set up. As it is, it's a hard no for me.
It's an incredible shooting experience. We don't let third-party modifications impact our opinion of the object we're evaluating. This was a loaner kit sent to us with the dot on it so we ran it that way, if it were ours we'd have either tried a different dot or run it with irons and not had the issues.
@@GBGuns I'd try the same with the Spectre comp slide if you can, I've run all kinds of cheap and ammo and it still ran it all (red dot ontop as well)
@@SerenGetter we don't have one of those slides at our disposal, and the dust cover (rail) of this grip would be too long as it's extended to fit the PMM comp.
@@GBGuns Ahh, darn. Thanks for answering
@@GBGuns I get that, it's just hard for me to assume it will run flawlessly with a different set up. I can hope, but that's a big $$$ risk on hopium!
You have to tune most good comps grab tuning kit bro 👌🏻
For what? We showed rounds it currently works with and rounds it currently doesn't
How will this hook up with the X Macro?
No, the X-Macro slide would be too short
Thanks for showing us this innovative product. I have to say that trying to cherry pick ammo to optimize its reliability (instead of its accuracy) for a carry gun is a turn off for me.
I'm certain without the dot, or with a different recoil system this would be more reliable
I have 3 different P365s, 1 SAS and 2 XLs, haven't had a malf yet and I only shoot high volume. The 2nd XL has the Holosun K.
I've put the SAS and first XL through multiple 2-day/1-night courses since 2020.
It's not the dot by itself that is causing the issue for this combo, it's the dot and the comp. The comp set the ejection in a slightly different direction which happens to hit the geometry of this dot model just right.
@@GBGuns Thanks for the thorough explanation. Now I understand.
@@GBGuns thx. To much fixing something that isn’t broken here for me. Bet the aluminum grip feels good. That hump looks right. But bought a polymer micro reliable gun to be able to go light & camp,fish ,maybe flip a canoe & not worry about my nice metal guns. Dropped xl in course wet sand at a camp site and didn’t clean it till next day. Was fine. Tapped out the dirt & blew on it & back together it went. Staying stock for now fo sho. But thx for showing that stuff.
I built the same set up and I haven't have any malfunctions in over 1000 rounds! The difference may be that I put a 365 recoil spring no the 365XL. maybe you can check on that.
That would be too short. This is an XL length slide.
@@GBGuns It is the one I have and works perfect! as I say no problems in hundreds of rounds all kind the ammo!
36roku, who did you get the EVO frame from? Icarus didn’t release the EVO until the 3rd…
@@RobC0313 Not yet, I have the ICARUS slide with PMM barrel and compensator and the ICARUS POR Elite A.C.E. aluminum grip and is fantastic I put the HULOSUN 507K and this bundle shoots fantastic! is my EDC!
Great video Graham and I really love my Icarus precision grip module.
Which one did you go with?
@@GBGuns I have the PRO Elite A.C.E. 365 with the with the PMM barrel and compensator.
@@GBGuns if you like I could send you a picture of my build sir.
@@abdatruthteller5895 if you want to show it off you can post it in the forums on GBGUNSDEPOT.COM
@@GBGuns Will do
My 365 has pmm and dpm, it does not take anything under 147 grain. It sucks that I can not shoot cheap ammo no more
Where do I get an Icarus slide cut specifically for the Holosun 407/507k like this one?????
Direct from Icarus Precision
@@GBGuns They don't currently sell a P365 slide cut like that. That was my point. lol. I would buy a couple right now if they did.
I’m trying to determine from the Icarus site if the straight 365 Grip with a standard (not XL) slide and PMM micro comp combo results in a OAL that is roughly the same size as a stock 365XL?
Ask them. They're good folks. I believe they're currently out of office at a Sig event
@@GBGuns I sent messages, guess I’ll have to be patient! I’m ready to build, I have a shiny new Custom FCU just waiting for a home!
The comp is causing the slide to lose power.
Kinda. Compensators add weight at the end of the barrel where they apply the most leverage on the action. That requires more energy to move. Some compensators don't even need to be gas-efficient to work, they simply add weight and that's what reduces perceived recoil and muzzle flip.
@@GBGuns yeah. Because of all these things I’m hesitant to put a comp on my duty gun. It seems like the more after market stuff I put on it the less reliable it becomes.
@@harris7066 That's fair. The guns were designed to work within certain parameters, change a parameter and performance will change. The grip modules however are a safe change.
Seems like a pretty idea but def bad execution. It’s comfortable in your hand but the rest doesn’t work)
I believe most of it was the red dot, we'd have pulled it off but the slide had no irons
To tell you the truth there is no point of a nice expensive set up with that terrible performance
For the price, could buy a new gun
" 365" isn't that model number already taken by SIG ?? I guess this IS a SIG ??
Does Mercedes-Benz name their sports car "911" 👎
And an argument against optics. In a panic situation, do you have time to fiddle fart with brightness, not zero sighted ??? other electronic failures?? The cases were clearly bouncing off the optic. Come back with out optics and known BEST functioning ammo. And run it long duration to see if the PMM compensator comes loose. 👍
Love your , and Teya's road tests 😲👍💥🎯☮️
The firearm IS indeed a Sig, it's a P365 FCU inside. The grip module and slide are from Icarus Precision, barrel and compensator from Parker Mountain Machine.
@@GBGuns Not much Sig left to claim it's a Sig.
@@Payner2644 legally the "firearm" is a Sig. This is the fun with the FCU modularity
@@GBGuns yep there isn't a lot of Sig left to my 320 either