Jeremy Corbyn MP interviewed on Sky News on Sunday 14 June about the Labour leadership. He said, by investing in the economy now you "maintain the life chances and opportunities of the current generations."
***** The best message to send to haters and the small minded would be to elect a muslim mayor. Vote for Sadiq Khan to become the labour candidate. Vote for the future not the past.
Charlotte C I agree but if hew became leader the Tory propaganda comics, like the express and The Mail, would lie and con everybody into thinking he is a left wing loony. And not the top bloke he actually is.
+bourbon.muncher if labour gets in power in 2020 you will be receiving similar earnings to those who sit on their arse all day drinking beer and watching tv on a fat welfare check doing 0 hours work per week. You will receive the same amount of money as an immigrant with 7 children receiving a welfare check - if not less. they will raise taxes and award scroungers with your hard earned money because they cant be bothered to work. Although socialists intend to look after the interests of the working class their actions turn out to be counter-productive in as much that they do not award people for hard work, when a fat welfare check earns more than the minimum wage there is no incentive for people to go out and earn a living for themselves - this makes them rely on the state to give them taxpayer money. Socialism has not and never will work - for people who want to make something of themselves anyway; it may work for the beer drinking scumbags that walk our streets.
+MrPerry97 well I'd say that the money we spend on MPs lords and corporate welfare (search 'too big to fail corporate welfare') is a better area to target your attention if you're bothered about people getting 'something for nothing'
***** Socialism was doing quite well until Neo-Liberalism under Maggie the milk snatcher Thatcher came along. If the free market is so great, then why does it rely on the buying of state assets to generate profit? If it is so great, why does it rely on taxpayer bailouts when it fails? Of course money does not grow on trees. It is produced by the creation of wealth. Wealth is not created on computer screens in a stock exchange. In a stock exchange, labor is stolen. Money does not grow on trees in planet socialist. It is directed to the goods and services for which I pay the government. I have no problem with my money creating a social safety net or health services to the masses. I do have a problem with laboring for odious debt whilst what I have already contributed to society and get sold off at fire sale prices. You free market thinkers still want taxation. You want double taxation. You want a slush fund that you can call upon when you make bad bets (Socialism), yet you still want me to pay for a privatised NHS. I would drop the taxation part and go for a Libertarian type economy, only that would be a cruel and fascist regime. I would rather trust democracy (with all its flaws) than the free market of Laissaiz Faire Capitalism which clearly does not serve the common good. The common good and posterity overrides the quick buck.
+thebiopguy So a guy who never in his life did any labor, is a great leader for the labour party? I have a revolutionary idea: Why not make a working person head of the labour party? Who knows, maybe that new person would understand how taxes work.
The Labour Party need to realise they lost the election because there was no realistic socialist option in England. There was in Scotland, that's why SNP trounced Labour there. Chasing the floating middle ground voters (who aren't loyal to any one party) works until they switch allegiance depending on how it will affect their pockets rather than how the country can best function as a whole.
mateybass Right, Labour lost the election easily because it betrayed the working class, Scotland had a more socialist alternative, and then many English, including huge numbers who would actually have benefited from the SNP's support for the working class and fairness, got frightened by SNP power, voting Tory while not liking many Tory policies. Yet still the Labour leadership candidates apart from Corbyn want to stick to the failed policy of Tory lite cuts which have done so much damage. Millions of people saw no point in voting: many of these would be given hope by a Labour leadership truly committed to helping the poor, marginalised and working class. Labour will not win the next election- barring some catastrophic Tory government meltdown- unless it regains a lot of the lost Scottish votes. It won't do that unless it shows it has real commitment to decent socialist principles.
mizofan Indeed, and maybe going through the process of rediscovering what it stands for is necessary for Labour, even if it means the next election might not go their way. Personally, I think its chances would actually increase once people start to see that they are articulating a clear, logical and achievable alternative for how the country could prosper and starting to push back against the Tory narrative that austerity is the only option. While it's going to be hard to reverse 5 years of brainwashing about "the mess Labour left us in", the Tories should be there for the taking. Labour need to start challenging them head on with regard to the lies they continually spout about the real reasons our economy is still struggling after 5 years of deep and damaging cuts - a fact many people refuse to accept because they are continually fed right-wing propaganda by vested interests in the media. Jeremy Corbyn is the only candidate who is prepared to do that. The Labour Party is betraying its grass roots by accepting the blame for the recession and accepting the Tory ideology of shrinking back the state as a solution to a crisis that was caused by the greed and recklessness of bankers. Tightening regulation in the financial sector to ensure this doesn't happen again is the answer, not more of the same.
danmarmalade74 Yes, it was New Labour's following Thatcherite economics that caused the credit crunch to hit UK hard: the crash would have happened under the Tories too of course. Thatcher deregulated the banks and encouraged the risky financial culture, with yuppies and greed is good, that led to the crash, following the USA with Bush's right wing economics. Instead of the bankers and rich bearing the brunt of the credit crunch fall-out, they have done very well with massive corporate welfare paid for by the rest, while the poor have been punished most severely. Immigrants and welfare recipients have been the scapegoats for the failure of right wing capitalism. The case for a fair and decent alternative to the highly damaging right wing austerity must be made forcefully by Labour instead of submitting to the prevailing media propaganda. A huge number of people are desperate for a better alternative to austerity, and a decent political party with real purpose. But many don't bother voting, disillusioned with Labour and its feeble response to the crisis as well as with politics generally. Blairite New Labour was a far cry from true Labour or socialism, which it has given a bad name, yet the other leadership contenders apart from Corbyn are still cowed by their own misguided assumptions of public attitudes, which can be changed anyway.
Interesting comment the interviewer makes- 'you don't saddle future generations with debt'. Please explain this to me. It's a genuine question, supported by evidence, here it is: If government (Conservative government) gives £39 Billion to private companies for a track & trace scheme (rather than give it to the NHS I.T. departments for instance) that creates a massive debt for future generations doesn't it? How will that debt be paid? Do future generations of taxpayers pick up the bill for the profligacy with the public purse? Please could anyone post an example of where a national I.T. system (with a specification and contract) cost anywhere near 39 billion? This is of course only one example, there are many more, where government gives taxpayers money to companies. Next thing you know, we'll be told 'The pandemic was very expensive and we'll all have to tighten our belts'. Those billionaire types will be quaking in their boots....
mizofan it was the ussr wasnt it, that stands for socialism does it now? well, look it up on google, socialists always say it was the wrong type of socialism, corbyn says labour wasnt left enough, just like benn in 1979, i.e. he says the winter of discontent wasnt left enough? thats what socialism is all about coercion, its based on violence.
Brendan Malone True socialism is not based on violence at all. It does aim to replace right wing capitalism's ongoing wars and control by force, its brutally divisive and unfair system with a more caring, decent, fair and peaceful one. Callaghan's Labour did not look after the needs of ordinary workers or share wealth enough; if it had there wouldn't have been such discontent. Attlee's 1945 leftist post-war government voted in by the finest hour heroes was much more successful. Despite inheriting a much bigger debt than we have now, it created the NHS and desperately needed welfare state, reduced inequality, took resources and services into national ownership (unlike Tories who keep selling off the nation' assets), rebuilt a devastated nation, had full employment and laid the foundations for decades of growth and prosperity.
Great interview. Very genuine - you can see he isn't out for himself.
Charlotte C If you live in London , Sadiq Khan for Mayor? He seems genuine.
***** The best message to send to haters and the small minded would be to elect a muslim mayor.
Vote for Sadiq Khan to become the labour candidate. Vote for the future not the past.
***** I am in favour of our great city, having a fair, tolerant and thoughtful mayor.That man is Sadiq Khan. Vote for the future not the past.
*****
Just like the Tories
Charlotte C
I agree but if hew became leader the Tory propaganda comics, like the express and The Mail, would lie and con everybody into thinking he is a left wing loony.
And not the top bloke he actually is.
What's this.. a LIKEABLE potential leader? Can't be!!! Way to go Jeremy! Happy to have someone who represents ME in this debate.
Years later, and he's still absolutely right
You are so right
just registered as a labour party supporter specifically to vote for jeremy
bourbon.muncher Good idea to vote for Jeremy. Sadiq for mayor? (if you live in London)
+bourbon.muncher if labour gets in power in 2020 you will be receiving similar earnings to those who sit on their arse all day drinking beer and watching tv on a fat welfare check doing 0 hours work per week. You will receive the same amount of money as an immigrant with 7 children receiving a welfare check - if not less. they will raise taxes and award scroungers with your hard earned money because they cant be bothered to work. Although socialists intend to look after the interests of the working class their actions turn out to be counter-productive in as much that they do not award people for hard work, when a fat welfare check earns more than the minimum wage there is no incentive for people to go out and earn a living for themselves - this makes them rely on the state to give them taxpayer money. Socialism has not and never will work - for people who want to make something of themselves anyway; it may work for the beer drinking scumbags that walk our streets.
+MrPerry97 the system awards scroungers now. we just have a different definition of scrounger...!
id like to hear your then lol
+MrPerry97 well I'd say that the money we spend on MPs lords and corporate welfare (search 'too big to fail corporate welfare') is a better area to target your attention if you're bothered about people getting 'something for nothing'
If Jeremy doesn't make the ballot paper, it will be to the party's, and ultimately the country's, detriment
Man of the hour. He's getting my vote...
I am voting jeremy corbyn for labour leader. It will be very bad news if he does not win.
thebiopguy Good idea! Jeremy Corbyn is a man of integrity and conviction.I am thinking Corbyn/Flint/Khan
***** While Nigel Farage is from the real world......yeah right!
Dave long the capitalist slave
***** Socialism was doing quite well until Neo-Liberalism under Maggie the milk snatcher Thatcher came along. If the free market is so great, then why does it rely on the buying of state assets to generate profit? If it is so great, why does it rely on taxpayer bailouts when it fails? Of course money does not grow on trees. It is produced by the creation of wealth. Wealth is not created on computer screens in a stock exchange. In a stock exchange, labor is stolen. Money does not grow on trees in planet socialist. It is directed to the goods and services for which I pay the government. I have no problem with my money creating a social safety net or health services to the masses. I do have a problem with laboring for odious debt whilst what I have already contributed to society and get sold off at fire sale prices. You free market thinkers still want taxation. You want double taxation. You want a slush fund that you can call upon when you make bad bets (Socialism), yet you still want me to pay for a privatised NHS. I would drop the taxation part and go for a Libertarian type economy, only that would be a cruel and fascist regime. I would rather trust democracy (with all its flaws) than the free market of Laissaiz Faire Capitalism which clearly does not serve the common good. The common good and posterity overrides the quick buck.
+thebiopguy
So a guy who never in his life did any labor, is a great leader for the labour party?
I have a revolutionary idea: Why not make a working person head of the labour party?
Who knows, maybe that new person would understand how taxes work.
Well done Jeremy, i joined Labour again.
paul harris London Mayor Abbott or Khan?
We need people who give power to people.
go Jeremy !!!!
Greatest PM we've never had how the UK were /are so dumbed down not to vote for this great man & vote for the enemy instead
The Labour Party need to realise they lost the election because there was no realistic socialist option in England. There was in Scotland, that's why SNP trounced Labour there. Chasing the floating middle ground voters (who aren't loyal to any one party) works until they switch allegiance depending on how it will affect their pockets rather than how the country can best function as a whole.
mateybass you've summed it up brilliantly.
mateybass Right, Labour lost the election easily because it betrayed the working class, Scotland had a more socialist alternative, and then many English, including huge numbers who would actually have benefited from the SNP's support for the working class and fairness, got frightened by SNP power, voting Tory while not liking many Tory policies. Yet still the Labour leadership candidates apart from Corbyn want to stick to the failed policy of Tory lite cuts which have done so much damage. Millions of people saw no point in voting: many of these would be given hope by a Labour leadership truly committed to helping the poor, marginalised and working class. Labour will not win the next election- barring some catastrophic Tory government meltdown- unless it regains a lot of the lost Scottish votes. It won't do that unless it shows it has real commitment to decent socialist principles.
mizofan Indeed, and maybe going through the process of rediscovering what it stands for is necessary for Labour, even if it means the next election might not go their way. Personally, I think its chances would actually increase once people start to see that they are articulating a clear, logical and achievable alternative for how the country could prosper and starting to push back against the Tory narrative that austerity is the only option. While it's going to be hard to reverse 5 years of brainwashing about "the mess Labour left us in", the Tories should be there for the taking. Labour need to start challenging them head on with regard to the lies they continually spout about the real reasons our economy is still struggling after 5 years of deep and damaging cuts - a fact many people refuse to accept because they are continually fed right-wing propaganda by vested interests in the media. Jeremy Corbyn is the only candidate who is prepared to do that. The Labour Party is betraying its grass roots by accepting the blame for the recession and accepting the Tory ideology of shrinking back the state as a solution to a crisis that was caused by the greed and recklessness of bankers. Tightening regulation in the financial sector to ensure this doesn't happen again is the answer, not more of the same.
danmarmalade74 Yes, it was New Labour's following Thatcherite economics that caused the credit crunch to hit UK hard: the crash would have happened under the Tories too of course. Thatcher deregulated the banks and encouraged the risky financial culture, with yuppies and greed is good, that led to the crash, following the USA with Bush's right wing economics. Instead of the bankers and rich bearing the brunt of the credit crunch fall-out, they have done very well with massive corporate welfare paid for by the rest, while the poor have been punished most severely. Immigrants and welfare recipients have been the scapegoats for the failure of right wing capitalism. The case for a fair and decent alternative to the highly damaging right wing austerity must be made forcefully by Labour instead of submitting to the prevailing media propaganda. A huge number of people are desperate for a better alternative to austerity, and a decent political party with real purpose. But many don't bother voting, disillusioned with Labour and its feeble response to the crisis as well as with politics generally. Blairite New Labour was a far cry from true Labour or socialism, which it has given a bad name, yet the other leadership contenders apart from Corbyn are still cowed by their own misguided assumptions of public attitudes, which can be changed anyway.
Awesome guy....! Xxxxxx
#Corbyn4PM
Interesting comment the interviewer makes- 'you don't saddle future generations with debt'. Please explain this to me. It's a genuine question, supported by evidence, here it is:
If government (Conservative government) gives £39 Billion to private companies for a track & trace scheme (rather than give it to the NHS I.T. departments for instance) that creates a massive debt for future generations doesn't it? How will that debt be paid? Do future generations of taxpayers pick up the bill for the profligacy with the public purse? Please could anyone post an example of where a national I.T. system (with a specification and contract) cost anywhere near 39 billion? This is of course only one example, there are many more, where government gives taxpayers money to companies. Next thing you know, we'll be told 'The pandemic was very expensive and we'll all have to tighten our belts'. Those billionaire types will be quaking in their boots....
Democracy is government by the people, Plutocracy is government by the rich. Which would you prefer we have?
HE ENDED UP WINNING THE LABOUR PARTY LEADERSHIP CONTEST
IN A COMPLETE LANDSLIDE, NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE
Vote independent
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yeah great, socialism, see the wonders is did for the union of the soviet "socialist" republics
Brendan Malone Stalinist centralised authoritarianism is a very far cry from socialism.
mizofan it was the ussr wasnt it, that stands for socialism does it now? well, look it up on google, socialists always say it was the wrong type of socialism, corbyn says labour wasnt left enough, just like benn in 1979, i.e. he says the winter of discontent wasnt left enough? thats what socialism is all about coercion, its based on violence.
Brendan Malone True socialism is not based on violence at all. It does aim to replace right wing capitalism's ongoing wars and control by force, its brutally divisive and unfair system with a more caring, decent, fair and peaceful one. Callaghan's Labour did not look after the needs of ordinary workers or share wealth enough; if it had there wouldn't have been such discontent. Attlee's 1945 leftist post-war government voted in by the finest hour heroes was much more successful. Despite inheriting a much bigger debt than we have now, it created the NHS and desperately needed welfare state, reduced inequality, took resources and services into national ownership (unlike Tories who keep selling off the nation' assets), rebuilt a devastated nation, had full employment and laid the foundations for decades of growth and prosperity.