What Happened to D.C. SuperHero Girls
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- What Happened to D.C. SuperHero Girls?
Today we are going to talk about the toy line D.C. SuperHero Girls and explain a little bit about it's history, dolls, and reboot.
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00:00 Introduction
00:54 The Cartoon
03:01 Toys
05:36 The Reboot
08:50 Conclusion - Zábava
I really hope the reboot isnt cancelled. It was starting to get really good with all the different plot lines and continuous episodes. I was waiting for the Harley/Batgirl reveal and how it would change the show. It gave me very strong My Little Pony vibes (especially cause Faust made it) and it was really enjoyable. The artstyle was also very nice with the diverse body types.
its still ongoing!
@@tokkibon where??
I really like this show too. I hope there will be a third season. It's a very fun and cool show and the plot is getting more interesing
YES OMG i love it so much
I hope it’s not over but if you check the CN app they actually took the superhero girls off of it so idk what that means
I liked the original more than the reboot. I am not the biggest fan of superheroes, but I loved the how articulated and detailed the original dolls were. The reboot felt too similar to MLP for me, and the main girls' personalities in that felt copy pasted from existing MLP Gen 4 characters. I also hated that the reboot dolls had less articulation and more molded on clothing.
That’s because the animator animated mlp g4 and Tara strong plays both batgirl and Twilight in there 💀 but the season 2 of this reboot is so cool
Batgirl: Pinkie Pie
Supergirl: Rainbow Dash
Zatanna: Rarity
Bumblebee: Fluttershy
Green Lantern: Applejack
Wonder Woman: Twilight Sparkle
I found the tv series reboot to b v entertaining but i I think fashion dolls could’ve improved it a lot
That's because Lauren Faust created MLP and is the main producer for DC superhero girls. It's kind of a go-to model for her that she really enjoys.
@Rokenrol Bro 2019 I think what they meant to say was that she created MLP’s G4 and practically made it how MLP Fans growing up with FiM or watching FiM knew/know in love
The girls complaining that the dolls don't look like super heros was the best! Super heros need to look atlétic, strong and practical!
One thing I am mad at is the fact that in this reboot and in the dc webcomic Vixen they changed the dark skin charecter bumble bee too be light skin and with green eyes so she could have been a more “soft” charecter, which I hate because it adds to the stigma that dark skin female charecters can’t be soft.
^
They should have kept her hair and skin dark as they usually have in her other designs.
The original DC Superhero Girls didn’t give us enough interesting fashions! It could’ve been a great line but they didn’t put enough fashionable twists on the character’s classic designs. I think they changed Supergirls personality in the reboot because her personality was a little too close to a Wonder Woman. Because they both have an “truth justice and the American way!” kind of attitude.
I think the webshow failed because it had, like, hundreds of characters and did very little to introduce any of them.
one thing that will always bother me about dc superhero girls was the lack of wonder girl. the reboot was based on the super best friends forever shorts that faust worked years ago and they had wonder girl in it. i know that they used diana because she's more recognizable but it would have been interesting to see donna troy animated.
Yeah I always thought Diana would've better served as the "cool big sis" mentor character Donna should've had her role as the newcomer
I was a big fan of the webseries and movies growing up. I remember one summer waiting for my Batgirl doll from the original doll line to come in. By the time the reboot happened, my obsessions shifted over to Percy Jackson 😅. One of the things I do love though in the reboot is the changed characterization for Supergirl. In comics, she was quick to anger and even at one point became a red lantern and I feel like the reboot embraced that. I remember watching the clip of supergirl v Superman on the farm and thought it was the funniest thing
I personally was a big fan of the original run. I liked the animation style more an just found it to be better. Haven't watched much of the reboot but im not really a fan of what i have seen. one of my fave episodes from the original run was the plot of the Riddler (who was a teenager so not creepy) being in love with batgirl. For some reason that plot just stuck out to me and I really liked it and wished it would have gone somewhere.
i love the dc superhero girls( as a dc fan), the reboot is so much better than the original series in my opinion. And they hold a special place in my heart cause they were my first dolls 💕
SAME! I especially love there character designs in the reboot. And how diverse they are!
I agree
yeah the reboot is definitely better
@@elephantskingdom1671 YES, and so are the dolls, they lack articulation but is not a big of a deal for me ...
I think it was a shame that the original was a failure.
What I liked about it was the fact that these version of the characters seem more calm, and happy even.
I agree with your idea of not ignoring the male characters, and maybe calling it "DC Super Hero High".
What would these characters feel about knowing about their different counterparts in other media like the comics?
I hated how this series focused too much on Wonder Woman and to make her seem more powerful, they’ll nerf other heroes on purpose just to let her shine
@@mochijuice8074 yeah I don't blame you I myself was never interested on the reboot or the original I only interested on the dolls and the action figures
@@quranbooker6655 the action figures were so good tho
One thing that annoyed me was
The packaging claimed Wonder Woman had no weaknesses and she’s a mary sue
Hate this characterisation
Tbh… I really hate how they aged down Wonder Woman. As a DC fan myself there were SO MANY other characters that are already teens they could have used without having to change anything. Wonder Woman would serve as a mentor so much better than an aged down teen. Also why is she a teen but Batman and Superman are both adults? It’s so icky to me idk
Totally agree with you, all the marketing and targeting towards "GIRLS" was a good intention to give more representations to young girls but may also stayed the boys away from the franchise. This is mostly thanks to this franchise I started to learn more about DC characters. And I would LOVE to buy a Flash doll from the first DCSHG series if Matted did it... But nah, only girls characters were produced. And mostly the same trio Wonder Woman/Supergirl/Batgirl which enhance this impression to always have the same thing with this doll line.
I was very surprised too when I watched the reboot series... It was funny and very enjoying. (Didn't know there is a movie too, gotta watch it!) But I'm very surprised they made more dolls after the main superhero girls... Those ones seemed already not very presents in American stores so the next ones... =/
Honestly the reboot was SUPER good. I hope it gets another season
The reboots pilot was actually posted before the super hero high show so they might actually be two different shows with the same namw
I actually really loved the original doll line and it’s what got me into collecting dolls. I always preferred the signature line. I’m a teen titans lover so starfire will always be my favorite. I’m also disappointed that Raven was never made
its a shame because the reboot's artstyle and animation are so cute and pretty high quality actually
So what is a shame in the reboot?
I love both iterations and think they both have their own strengths. I prefer G1s original designs than G2 that just uses the same designs from the comics. I also prefer the school idea of the original, but I love the story and there personalities of the reboot and also more zatanna is a bonus
I always loved animated series of Super Heroes (Teen Titans or even Justice League) but DC Super Heroe Girls was... not good. I'm a huge fan of Poison Ivy and I always dreamed to have a very good and *badass* doll of her, but even if her doll was super cute and the character super lovely... I just HATED it. I also hate the fact the focus is only on the girls and the plot is about "all of them are friends" because this is NOT how it should be. All the characters were in the first place interesting because they have they own backgrounds, they own plots, and they were NOT all friends and that's exactly why it was interesting when sometimes they met. But in DC Super Heroes Girls I feel like everything is just "forced" and I also HATE the fact all the boys characters are forgotten because if the idea was to make that thing very "girls power" actually it's very sexist. The series where all the girls were in the first place show them more powerful because the boys have their roles too (best exemple : Catwoman, Poison Ivy & Harley Quinn, even Starfire and Raven got their moments to shine because some boys help or hurt them) but in DC Super Heroe Girls I feel like something is clearly missing... but I kinda like the "Monster High/Ever After High" vibes btw, it just didn't work as well.
When I first watched the original I immediately became a huge fan of the series because it did gave me equestria girls vibes. Once the reboot was announced i wasn't sure about it at first but i thoughts it could be interesting because I can now see characters that looked diverse than the same looking characters. Not only that but I did enjoy the episodes in this as well and the characters seem likable. One of my personal favorite characters in this series is bumblebee. As a shy person I definitely relate to characters like her.
Hey, super hero fan here. I honestly love the New DC Super Hero Girls show, i watch it every time i can on tv because is so enjoyable and light-hearted it brings me joy (besides, i absolutely LOVE the character designs of the girls, in particular Harley Quinn and Zatanna)
The original however doesn't appeal me that much, but maybe is because I'm waaay to much outside the target audience (for context, I'm 18). The CN show seems to be made specifically to be more enjoyable even for teens and adults, beside the sometimes over-exagerated humour, which i honestly don't find that much bothering. But this is personal. I mean, sometimes is kinda silly but is fine, it works for the show. But i can totally understand why someone would find it cringe.
Also, it kinda remindes me sometimes the My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic show, maybe because both are created by the same person. Maybe i like it this much because the vibes are the same, idk. I really hope they don't cancel it, it would be a shame.
ikr i feel like the new one feels a lot more super hero
As a poison Ivy fan, I would’ve loved a poison Ivy doll to be released. It’s disappointing that she doesn’t get a lot of recognition when it comes to merch. Out of the female dc villains, Harley Quinn is the poster child that you see mostly. I recently went to six flags and the only poison Ivy merch I found were kids sunglasses.
While I love the visuals of the reboot, the unique design they had really didn't translate well to the dolls... the original remain superior to them in every way... But yeah, it's weird they never attempted more variety with the characters, like civilian outfits, school uniforms, or like you said, swimsuit and winter lines.
And apropos of nothing, I remember when a male doll blonde head was found along other mattel heads and everyone thought it was going to be a new "DC Super Hero Boy", specifically The Flash... and we later found it it was the Ken for the Barbie Video Game Hero movie... man, the dissapointed we had...
I think the reboot was made for some reasons, I have my theory is that they wanted to make the “super best friend forever” by Lauren Faust shorts into a full series since it got really popular but we can tell they didn’t go full on with it due to it having main female characters and thus went with Teen titans go. I think they were gonna give her the chance again but having DC super hero girls airing they prolly thought it’ll be bad having two franchises with main female characters, I know it’s sound a bit far fetched but we know how most of these executives think and how misogynistic they can get. Especially due to some comments they have made in the past with how they felt weird many girls were tunning in shows made for boys.
In short words instead of having two shows with main female characters they decided to just combine the two.
Maybe they also wanted to jump in the MLP friendship is magic fame and called Lauren again to reboot the whole thing
You’re theory is probably right. Chances are SBFF would’ve been another DC Nation show if picked up alongside TTG. But due to the fact cartoons network felt that due to the high amount of female fans for their flagship series Young Justice, they couldn’t sell enough merch. So the block was put to the wayside and it took awhile for the first DCSHG to come out
I actually like the original and the reboot since I grew up with the first one and loved it a lot, second one I did like but not so much as I was growing up. In general for me, DC Superhero Girls was a pretty fun little show that came from my childhood.
Its very easy to tell every time mattel makes a doll line BOOM Gets a reboot and gets cancelled ^_^ im still waiting for EAH 😩
My main issue with it
Super villains being hero’s In it
You need rivals
Should been super hero and super villain high as rival school
The reboot is SO GOOD actually 🥺🥺 for a while I thought it was an original series bc I hadn’t heard about the first instance of the show
The reason for the reboot is that Warner Brothers wanted to get Laura Faust to create a cash cow series after her success with MLP. So she dusted off a couple of shorts she made in the early 2010’s called the Super Best Friends Forever which was about the trio of Suoergirl , Batgirl and Wondergirl(the 2019 version changed it to Diana). Zatanna , Bumblebee and Jessica Cruz were new additions to the team and were that’s how we got the under appreciated 2019 Dc SuperHero girls
My guess for the 2019 series being quite different from the 2015 series would be from Warner Brothers wanting to have more direct control. Mattel did work on the merchandise for both shows, but they had more creative control with the 2015 series. I remember seeing a credit for Mattel Creations (formerly known as Playground Productions and later known as Mattel Television since 2019) for various episodes of the 2015 series, but not the 2019 series.
Few days Dc Super Hero Girls was removed from Apple, Amazon Prime and CZcams, but Netflix will the last time on New Year’s Eve.
I’m memoriam of:
Dc Super Hero Girls
(2015-2023)
I never saw this show, but I can feel a good vibe from it. Female heroes are very interesting and the talent behind the show to make this a great view for all ages. Great video, greetings from Colombia
I was a fan since G1 and let me tell you by time 2017 came the market was over saturated didn't help Mattel also did the 2017 Wonder Woman film as well. At the same time Lego DCSHG flopped massively do to pricing for the bigger sets as not many small sets at a good price was made,Plus they only did the Trinity Supergirl,Batgirl,Wonder Woman so many times no one really wanted to collect anymore. So G1 death was oversaturation of dolls and only doing the Trinity. But the shorts until it lost heavy budget had good writing same with the movies and comics which a lot of people remember the brand for which I think is great as it got kids early into family friendly comics and into these characters and teaching kids good life lessons or things about themselves
I hope G2 gets season 3, I know Dc fandome is canceled this year but it could still be shown either on cartoon network or in 2023
Show got cancelled
@@papaadot9369 I know G1 has been canceled since 2018
I'm talking about the 2019 series
@@tajalbright1147 no unfortunately the G2 series got cancelled
@@papaadot9369 when???, just because its off the CN app and website doesn't mean its finished...its still on netflix. we just have to wait because there is no official conformation by DC, WB, or CN that its over. besides the current showrunner Amanda Rynda hasn't said anything about cancellation yet. Lauren faust left the show halfway thru season 1, so we can't confirm its canceled
The reboot isn’t cancelled btw. One of the vas is just no longer voicing her character so she’ll be replaced.
@@davidmlbmotorsportsfan - Yeah. It’s been revealed that the va is just not voicing Supergirl anymore and will be replaced. Cause think…if this was true that it’s cancelled than why hasn’t any of the other vas revealed that they’ve recorded their final lines? Tara Strong posts online a lot via Twitter and Instagram so it’s odd that she hasn’t said something like that.
@@davidmlbmotorsportsfan - I figure they be on a break due to the va replacement.
@@davidmlbmotorsportsfan - Voice acting isn’t that easy. A lot of work goes into it and since this is a replacement that means they need to make sure whoever they get can match up well to how the first va sounded. Otherwise it can turn off fans from the show because it doesn’t sound right.
@@davidmlbmotorsportsfan - Yeah it’s something that isn’t easy to get right and some shows will write into it why a voice sounds different such as in the 2012 TMNT. Leo’s first va left before he finished recording for S2, a stand in recorded for the last two episodes of that season and Seth Green took over in S3 but he couldn’t match up exactly to the first va so they wrote in that Leo’s throat got damage during his big fight in the S2 finale to explain the difference. In other cases there’ll be a va that is a sound alike to a specific actor (this includes actors that just do or did live action and the soundalike is used for animation and video games) and is brought on if said actor is either busy or unfortunately dead. This is what went on in Avatar: TLA with Uncle Iroh’s va Mako who passed away during S2 and actually had trained a soundalike who would go on to voice Iroh in S3 plus Korra as well as voice Mako’s other well known role of Aku in the final season of Samurai Jack along with the video game that came out some time after that final season.
@@davidmlbmotorsportsfan - I have no idea to be honest. But if I had to guess maybe the va for Rainbow Dash since her voice can match up ok if she does a bit of tweaking with it.
New DC Super here Girls >>>>>>>>>
I feel like this version which u shown is too Barbie like, l'm so glad they're did reebot on them, the newest show is much more interesting
I really enjoyed the reboot more than the original in my opinion, i love the character desing and i also loved the different body types, tho they do remind me of my little pony g4 mane 6 but i didn't have any problem with that at all
Oh my god that unreleased poison ivy doll looks amazing
Also they stopped g2 production for now because the actress of supergirl sadly left the team so they are waiting for a new actress to get back in, they also took a break from production
i thought the same thing when i saw these dolls. they just kept on re releasing the dolls in different outfits that looked almsot the same.
OMG you preach the facts I totally agree with everything. yeah the cartoon was a flop but they at least tried to do something. make women more outspoken than the male counterpart. I loved how they created a series where the focus is mainly on the girls of the DC/Marvel heroines, yet something felt off. I love the franchise and I think it is so fun to see my little sister watch it on Netflix, but I just wish they spiced it up to another notch.
This actually informative since I liked the original version than the remake
I definitely enjoyed the reboot more than the original. The art style was less generic and easier on the eyes for me. Also better personalities and plot lines.
I absolutely loved the lego series and the pre reboot and remember wanting the dolls. The Reboot really isn’t mine and I really dislike the dolls.
That is just my opinion :)
I honestly like the reboot a lot more, probably because i actually watched it and i never really got into the original
G2 has a new season btw also batgirl and Harley find out each other’s identity it also has a movie. Imo I prefer g2 because I’m a teen now and I find it relatable
How do you know that g2 has a new season?
Honestly I really love the reboot. I never found it immature or juvenile and love the music in it! Not to mention Lauren Faust developed it!
I loved the dolls of this line and its impossible to find the first wave ones now. All I can find are the ones with the molded on tops😭
honestly i love the reboot a lot more than the original, it has a lot more diversity and i enjoy it a lot more than the original
I'm sad we never got a Raven or Star Sapphire doll.
EDIT: The reboot is more of a fusion between DC Superhero Girls and the Super Best Friends Forever shorts than a (in my opinion) true reboot.
I remember this when it came out, the movie was probably one of the best doll movies ever
I remember when the superhero high show was airing there was a question of what characters fans wanted to appear and I remember sending in a comment of a supporting character from the robin book at the time the second nobody who was friends with Robin after wanting to kill him who later became a Superman support
I really enjoy watching your videos, I would really like it if you did a Strawberry Shortcake video, based on the history, franchise, characters and personalities. This also includes the shows. I can’t believe what they did to Strawberry Shortcake in 2021 😫😩
I mean, I kinda remember the original, but I admit, I started becoming a fan of it a year ago after I found out about it. And I love the reboot more than the original.
The reboot gives me MLP G4 vibes
Also, they changed the characters personalities; supergirl is no longer a girly girl but now a tomboy
Batgirl isn’t really a tech genius anymore but now has more enthusiastic personality similar to Pinkie pie. Bumblebee used be the confident and fearless one, but now she’s the self-conscious one, who sadly gets bullied. I don’t know why... is it just me or does Jessica Cruz’s superhero outfit (2nd generation) give me Flora vibes (Flora from Winx Club).
Was it just me or i loved DC Super Hero Girls, I’ve always loved them. Especially Wonder Woman
One question I had in mind is that why did the DCSHG 2019 Katana switch schools from Metropolis High School to McDougal Academy?
Katana's backstory is a complete mystery so, who knows?
btw, the whole idea of an ancient Scottish building being disassembled and rebuilt in Metropolis is a callback to Gargoyles.
The reboot is actually superhero best friends shorts dialed up Its the same creator and supergirl has the same or personality (and I think VA ) unique to those shorts
I actually preferred the reboot, mainly because I find it more plot drive and overall more coherent. I dont know but it felt off when even villains were made to go to a superhero high school. I mean, it's okay I guess, but it just wasn't for me and felt like too much of a switch for me.
I’m sad because they’re really changed The show and this kind was my favorite
I never understood why this franchise never made anything with Black Canary. Often liked and popular by fans, (just try to find a fan that really dislike character and not just i dislike her because of this media) and she is one of few female characters that isnt directly a female counterpart of male superhero/villain Character (even if she ties to Wildcat, Green Arrow and Batman). I always find weird that they often use Wonder Woman but not Donna Troy or Wonder Girl (Cassandra Sandmark). Donna Troy even is "younger Diana" for the best and the worst. While Cassandra is blonde, it would probably make people mistake for Supergirl.
before the "OG" superhero girls show WAS a show it was a short made by Lauren Faust who did the "Reboot" series and everyone thought the show was going to be like that short but it went in this unexpected direction that fans of the short hated. and when the reboot happened it felt more like what the original idea was going to be for the show from that short for DC Nation.
I remember I was collecting the dolls I had almost every single one only 4 missing
I have yet to watch season 2 of the reboot. I loved season 1 and hope I am not disappointed by the second.
8:27 Their new videos moved to/are now on the DC Kids channel.
Reboot is MUCHH BETTER
Idk how I never saw the original one? I never saw it on TV I only knew about it until like today when I decided to start binging the reboot.
Yasss I’m here just on time
The rebooted superhero girls is taken from the original super Best friend shorts produced at the very same time as the original teen titans go shorts, shown along side the green lantern animated series, and season one of young justice.
I hope it’s still going cuz this was my childhood
I love both and I wish that they would bring back the dolls and the show I love hero’s I always have
Is it bad that I used to have some of the dolls and Lego sets 😭
The biggest question is what did this take place in the multiverse
3:51 i had all the dolls
lol
I think Rorschach and Sally Jupiter should be added to DC superhero girls. Just for the irony
If I am being honest, I wholeheartedly enjoyed the episodes and movies of DC Superhero Girls, at least the 1st generation. The 2nd generation aka the reboot, I didn't like as much, yet I did like its movie.
While I've grown to appreciate the reboot, I still find the original a lot better. But, I wouldn't exactly have minded it being cancelled and rebooted into the 2019 version, except how the finale of the og series is left on a total cliffhanger, and Poison Ivy never got her book. Yes, a woman named Lisa Yee had the rights of writing the DC super hero girl books, and Ivy was the girl of the title characters who didn't get her book, despite it sounding like it would be one of the more interesting ones.
I think those are the only two things I'm still sour about with the reboot
Can you talk about angel friends ? It's really weird since they were setting a season 3 only for it to get cancelled :(
Angel's Friends will be coming....eventually.
Yes DC Super Hero girls.
The reboot reminds me of the Super Best Friends Forever, if anyone remembers that lol
I loved the og one
I had the starfire doll and I had the mobile game
When I watch DC Superhero Girls (2019 tv series), it was not so bad.
Everyone love it..
Man I LOVED the original line until they just... went stale. I constantly wished to this day we got Beast Boy and Raven dolls, I was going absolutely nuts when they did Starfire (and Blackfire but I didn't get her ;_; ) cause the original dolls were really nice! And they definitely could've done more with the comic classics line, it's such a shame. I kinda fell off once they did the reboot, only thing I followed was praying for the poison ivy doll and well, glad to know im not crazy for wondering where she went :(
Omg Ik I’m late
I miss this show sooooo much I remember watching it everyday. I love the original animation and TBH I hate the reboot the animation is just yuck to me.
I also like how the girls had their own unique personalities but I do wish that they spoke more of there past. I think it would’ve been cool if Superman made return not for long tho. Their songs were just amazing and I love “Get Your Cape On”
Like you said I also don’t understand the reboot the original show was doing well but I really hope they don’t cancel it.
Is this why they rebooted
I actually LOVE the reboot. Like the OG was fine, but the reboot is FIRE!!
Not my taste but I hope they continue the reboot, I could see a lot of my nieces and nephew started to get into the DC universe and begin even watching other DC shows such as batman the brave and animated series. This was a good move.
I enjoyed Dc Superheroes girls before the reboot given how they showcase the superheroines of the DC comics.
I love dc but that dolls we need more articulation.....i love new face in new dolls so cute.....
I want a teen titans vs teen titans go for dc superhero girls
I had the poison ivy, Harley, and bumblebee.
I ruined them though lol
I really hope the reboot isn't cancelled yet, it was just getting more interesting and fun🥹
To me personally the reboot is my favorite version of the series just because it’s more funnier
I love the reboot bc of zatanna tbh
Same
@@davidmlbmotorsportsfan no bc I like her character
@@davidmlbmotorsportsfan no bc I like her character
This was a swing and a miss for me, the Orginal was amazing although I couldn’t stand the design for Harley before the reboot, all the other girls got comic accurate or at least close to it with there designs and Harley got a re design, I get that the modern Harley Quinn outfit is a little revealing but she’s had non revealing outfits before, I don’t get why they couldn’t base it off one of those. The reboot all around made zero since, it was so far removed from the franchise it could have been and should have been a separate thing. Also I think the dolls especially the reboot dolls have a lack of quality control, I see them all the time at costco and target. In the past few times I saw a red bat girl, purple and black Harley Quinn, a pink Harley Quinn, a headless super girl, and other mistakes on the dolls. I’m talking about the generic 5 pack that’s sold at Costco and Target. I would have loved to see more Harley,Starfire, Raven, Cheetha, and enchantress in the reboot considering they are selling well and doing well. Even one of the higher ups at DC said that they consider Harley a unofficial 4th pillar of the company. The 3 main official character pillars being Batman,Wonder woman, and Superman. Anyways i think there canceling the line and show as whole
I wish #dcsuperherogirls were
teenage children of heroes and villains
Have u heard the cartoon ones?
I honestly liked the pilot super best friends
I’m a huge fan of dc and I really think the show was ok. One step back for me was that some villains were heroes like Harley
mahem in the multiverse...