We Are Witnessing the End of NBA Loyalty

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    • @duffyboy1986
      @duffyboy1986 Před 7 měsíci

      Can you tell me the name of the background music at 9:00 mark of this video please.

    • @IAMBTJGAMING
      @IAMBTJGAMING Před 7 měsíci

      Players are no longer slaves to their owners. They’ve finally realize it’s a business.

  • @redwolf9455
    @redwolf9455 Před 7 měsíci +697

    This is a career. Just like any other career, you get the biggest pay jumps and benefits by leaving. The second a company thinks you’re comfortable, they treat you like shit

    • @Shawn-Leider
      @Shawn-Leider Před 7 měsíci +12

      Do u even watch basketball? Players literally get paid more if they stay, only the team with a players rights is able to offer that player a super max. So no. Players do not make more leaving

    • @rockysalvatore435
      @rockysalvatore435 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Ok but as a winner and competitor, your legacy doesn't matter. You're taking easiest way out to stacked teams. We'll treat you like a normal employee and Beal and Lillard should be fired for their diva antics.

    • @ArmyofDrag343
      @ArmyofDrag343 Před 7 měsíci +28

      @@Shawn-Leider they get paid more if they produce and stay uninjured, not for just staying on a team longer tf

    • @Michael-lu2tz
      @Michael-lu2tz Před 7 měsíci +23

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@rockysalvatore435LMFAOOOO no one with a sane mind puts being “a winner and a competitor” over their livelihood and providing for their family/generations. act your wage boy

    • @conordavenport771
      @conordavenport771 Před 7 měsíci +5

      @@rockysalvatore435 Bradley Beal didn't have any drama as far as I'm aware.

  • @internetrandodotcom
    @internetrandodotcom Před 7 měsíci +2401

    players don't owe multi-billionaire owners loyalty when players instantly get put on the chopping block if they aren't playing to the highest of expectations

    • @rsl3172
      @rsl3172 Před 7 měsíci +274

      Say it again for the people in the back

    • @Yeshuaspupil
      @Yeshuaspupil Před 7 měsíci +200

      Why be loyal to people who would get rid of you when you don't serve their purposes and would never care if you couldn't play. I'm good with guys being more loyal to their dreams themselves and their families over an organization. It's a business at the end of the day and none of them owners would be loyal to a player despite their own self interests.

    • @tesytes318
      @tesytes318 Před 7 měsíci +141

      They trade players like Pokémon cards then be wondering why these guys don't like it

    • @mattmmixes
      @mattmmixes Před 7 měsíci +57

      FR, as soon as you don’t sell tickets anymore you get the boot, Kobe was able to stay loyal in old age since he was so marketable but that’s not realistic for majority of the league even the stars

    • @theinktician
      @theinktician Před 7 měsíci +13

      AND when they put them on the block FOR playing up to expectations

  • @digital7519
    @digital7519 Před 7 měsíci +402

    Nba loyalty has to go both ways. If an organization isn’t loyal to the player, the player isn’t loyal to the organization.

    • @7Bobby7
      @7Bobby7 Před 7 měsíci +8

      @@Papellxhase not gonna defend the warriors, but their guy is steph not Poole and I know steph and poole want the problem but steph and dray are a duo that compliment each other. I think dray is a problem though, maybe poole is a fraud but I think that punch messed things up for the whole team

    • @nox2sweet
      @nox2sweet Před 7 měsíci +1

      Kind of yeah, but the NBA is a business and eventually in my option things might sour. In my opinion, player loyalty should be gained from treating your best players with care via pay and putting the right pieces around them to succeed.

    • @DarkZane9286
      @DarkZane9286 Před 7 měsíci +6

      The Celtics did IT4 dirty. This statement is so true.

    • @themanwhocantbemovedbyatru1988
      @themanwhocantbemovedbyatru1988 Před 7 měsíci +3

      ​@@7Bobby7 poole is a huge problem. He was talking back to Steve Kerr when he was getting coached on a bad decision he did, and hence why he got decked. Also, nobody really likes poole in the team anymore. He's been in the league for more than 5 years, but his ego is not fixed.

    • @toshe67
      @toshe67 Před 7 měsíci

      agree but players need to play games no matter what to increase their trade value if they want to get traded

  • @tysonmaddox1090
    @tysonmaddox1090 Před 7 měsíci +542

    One thing I think lebron brought attention to is that organizations have no excuse to not do their best to put a team around a superstar and now players, deservedly so, have little patience after their rookie extension to stick around

    • @iluvdissheet
      @iluvdissheet Před 7 měsíci +37

      I agree but not all players have the attention LeBron had back then or the talent.
      Real talk, LeBron showed the players how to run game and EVERY NBA PLAYER should study it for positives and negatives.
      I think Kawhi and Beal got the memo.
      Gobert was either masterful timing or extreme luck/dumb.
      Dame was either naive/got played.
      And Harden is a headache that no one wants.
      How do they play in the era of LeBron and have not figured this out yet?

    • @tysonmaddox1090
      @tysonmaddox1090 Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@iluvdissheet I mean it’s a couple of things. As you said, no one really has to notoriety that lebron has especially since he’s won a championship with every move so it might be harder for teams to take a harden or lillard as seriously when neither of them have been to the finals. Lebron was also more strategic in his timing for when he move at least to Miami where they would have the cap space to do so. Durant did the same when cape space exploded in 2016-2017 where he was able to go to golden state and get a raise from his salary at okc. That’s really hard to time and be patient for especially when one injury ruins the whole process. It explains why harden and kyrie’s trades went so quickly on top of them not having the most value. Lastly a lot of guys that are in these talks are not in a situation like lebron in his first stint in Cleveland. Embiid, Giannis and dame have front offices that are clearly trying their best to win with them but have had difficulty actually doing so and that happens. I wouldn’t be surprised if part of say dame’s hesitation to leave is the KD situation with okc. As soon as dame said he wanted to be trade, a small but very vocal minority started turning on him even though he deserves the trade. People in Portland have an attachment to him through “investing” in the team so when he asks to leave they feel cheated despite dame doing more that enough to earn wanting a trade out

    • @tysonmaddox1090
      @tysonmaddox1090 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@iluvdissheet oh and gobert was dumb luck. He didn’t even ask for a trade if I remember correctly and the amount Utah got for him is insane

    • @7Bobby7
      @7Bobby7 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Not gonna lie this is true, players should understand the leverage they hold and the responsibility a front office should have

    • @denigster
      @denigster Před 7 měsíci +1

      maybe attention for kids^^ - chamberlain, jabbar, barkley, shaq just to name a few - the only thing lebron bought attention to a how to get teams together were its a must to win a title

  • @mrvxg4820
    @mrvxg4820 Před 7 měsíci +160

    It’s not fair that a team gets to waste 8+ years of a players prime, only to label that player disloyal when they finally try to go to a situation of their choice. Not only am I happy that players are speaking up more and demanding trades more but I wish players would refuse to let certain teams draft them. Like Kobe did, and like Elway and Eli did in football.

    • @ikedatike2533
      @ikedatike2533 Před 7 měsíci +5

      Even Steve Francis did this as well despite being picked second overall I wish athletes did this more often

    • @kidflashiv
      @kidflashiv Před 7 měsíci +3

      The NBA not gonna let too many players refuse to go to teams like that.

    • @Shawn-Leider
      @Shawn-Leider Před 7 měsíci +5

      This idea of letting players refuse where they go is beyond wrong. U realize it would put every small market team in jeopardy and likely RUIN THE NBA? Small market teams already can’t get great players often. Drafting is there one way to get real talent, now u think that should be taken away? Lol bruh. I don’t think u even watch basketball

    • @SL-cs2vd
      @SL-cs2vd Před 7 měsíci +5

      @@Shawn-Leider lol fax players demanding trade is up understandable but players refusing to be drafted to a certain team is crazy they didnt even do shit yet and im just imagining a 54th 2nd round pick refusing to play to that team cos he doesn't like it or someshit 🤣

    • @dontaerogers2687
      @dontaerogers2687 Před 7 měsíci

      i agree until the last thing with refusing to get drafted to certain teams. i promise if a lot players were allowed to do that you would not like it at all

  • @rivolverocelot3010
    @rivolverocelot3010 Před 7 měsíci +62

    Loyalty a two way street. Respect to the Warriors for standing by their day 1 guys

  • @liamamistoso5587
    @liamamistoso5587 Před 7 měsíci +232

    Fax, Nba loyalty is a sacrifice that most organizations don't do, but Kawhi was not the start of losing loyalty, It was when Kevin durant just left Okc for 73-9 Gsw.

    • @dougkeehner
      @dougkeehner Před 7 měsíci +16

      Nah, I’d say it started with bulls ownership prior to the Last Dance. That or it was the warning shot.

    • @mistermonkey9704
      @mistermonkey9704 Před 7 měsíci +43

      Durant had all the reasons to leave my favorite team. It’s just the fact he went to the Warriors

    • @jxmmykriminallive
      @jxmmykriminallive Před 7 měsíci +3

      nah I think it’s the fact that kd joined the warriors which was the team that knocked him out the playoffs the year prior that made his move seem so snake like, not so much the fact that he left the thunder

    • @mattmmixes
      @mattmmixes Před 7 měsíci +8

      I think KGs career really showed players loyalty isn’t worth it, KG stayed loyal to a garbage franchise, was basically forced to pick a trade destination and only got to compete one year before injuries/ decline. KG could be a three time champion or more if he left earlier.

    • @dougkeehner
      @dougkeehner Před 7 měsíci +7

      @@jxmmykriminallive Bulls had a championship machine and actively told the players that they would not pay them properly and their run, together, will effectively shut down. Kevin Durant was a free agent allowed to do whatever he wanted, he owed OKC nothing. NBA fans feel tickled by the Kevin Durant decision because it was the “73-9 warriors,” boo hoo. Was Durant’s loyalty to NBA fans to not join the Warriors?
      The Bulls owed it to a team that made them relevant but wanted off before they had to pay their players their fair share.

  • @RampagingChipmunk
    @RampagingChipmunk Před 7 měsíci +155

    The best outcome in recent years was OKC trading PG and Westbrook. It was clear that the team had plateaued and all parties involved moved on to the next phase amicably and neither too early or too soon. Contrast that with Harden sabotaging a contender in Philly and Portland waiting waaaaay too long to deal Lillard.

    • @jonathansykes4986
      @jonathansykes4986 Před 7 měsíci

      sabotaging. lmao. philly and embiid have always been frauds.

    • @izzy031096
      @izzy031096 Před 7 měsíci

      I just wish they had’ve kept Steven Adams! But the rebuild is still looking good.

    • @practiceyourart
      @practiceyourart Před 7 měsíci +1

      Philly has never really been a contender.

    • @misalignedmisanthropist
      @misalignedmisanthropist Před 7 měsíci +9

      The worst outcome of loyalty meanwhile is Demar Derozan. Was a franchise player for the Raptors and was loyal, never complained. What happened instead, he got disposed of. Yeah it worked out for the organization in the end since they immediately won a ring, but that just means players are replaceable, no matter how much of a star you are.

    • @chiggsytube
      @chiggsytube Před 7 měsíci +3

      Harden didn't sabotage shit. He took a pay cut, to help the team. That pay cut turned into Harrel and PJ Fuckin Tucker. The told him to become a facilitator, which he did, best pg in the East. Why is Harden even there? Because the sixers got fraidy cat feelings about Simmons. Harden or Embiid need to play with the same kind of player and that player is not each other, Philly needs someone like Klay Thompson, or Mike Porter Jr, someone to space the floor and catch and shoot. Philly cant beat Miami, and they can't beat Boston, and that is on Embiid, not Harden.

  • @PPYT100
    @PPYT100 Před 7 měsíci +31

    I mean hell, even Tim Duncan of all people was flirting with the Magic during his big FA period. Loyalty has been dead for some time I feel, it's just become more obvious now because certain franchises can't win with their stars.

    • @Janon743
      @Janon743 Před 7 měsíci +1

      I don’t think this means loyalty is dead all around, this just means that the idea that loyalty is this all encompassing characteristic all orgs and players have is a tall tale

    • @EduardoOliveira-zx9ju
      @EduardoOliveira-zx9ju Před 7 měsíci +4

      To make matters worst. Stephen A. Nick Wright, Skip, and various others will be EXTREMELY elated to call you a role player when you don't win

  • @chris.t.389
    @chris.t.389 Před 7 měsíci +142

    The nba is a business first. There never was any "loyalty" players just did not have as much power but players has always demanded trades or wanted to leave. Whether or not they can get what they want or not is the issue. Ask Scottie pippen. Back then teams use to do whatever they wanted to their players and if they are injured etc teams just dumped them. Now that players take control of their career, fans want to be mad as if they dont do it in their regular lives with their normal careers... and the nba teams uses that sentiment to continue to blame the players. And gullible fans fall for it everytime ..Its called business and there is no loyalty in business.

    • @skywalker2676
      @skywalker2676 Před 7 měsíci +27

      Fans still crying about Lebron leavin Cleveland lmaoo

    • @lordironhidex
      @lordironhidex Před 7 měsíci +7

      @@skywalker2676 Haters will keep on hating even if they live in a weird bubble lol.

    • @dhenry21
      @dhenry21 Před 7 měsíci +1

      I'm just glad you said it I was coming to the comments to say this very thing. Now if buddy wants to talk about player loyalty then make the argument that the organizations went above and beyond to ensure that a player was given the keys to be successful. Only player I can think of that fits that category is probably James Harden.

    • @chris.t.389
      @chris.t.389 Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@dhenry21 i fully agree with this sentiment. James harden was given everything by Houston so i can def understand y ppl feel a certain way about him

    • @impacc4182
      @impacc4182 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@skywalker2676yeah this whole wanting players to be loyal thing really only started when bron started winning with every team he went with. It’s like the haters wanted to find another thing to cry about

  • @youngreckless97
    @youngreckless97 Před 7 měsíci +65

    I mean we saw what happened to Derozan, CP3, Marcus Smart and now Dame just to name a few. Staying loyal to a NBA team is not the most logical step to take.

    • @EduardoOliveira-zx9ju
      @EduardoOliveira-zx9ju Před 7 měsíci +21

      Smart said "I thought I was going to retire a Celtic" then they discarded him like a used tissue😂😂

    • @theklr
      @theklr Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@EduardoOliveira-zx9juworst part is he was arguably the heart of the team. It’ll be interesting to see how they adjust

    • @GamersCorner2134
      @GamersCorner2134 Před 7 měsíci

      Smart being part of this conversation completely devalues the idea of "star loyalty." He's nowhere near Derozan's level, who was never near the level of Dame or Paul

    • @theklr
      @theklr Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@GamersCorner2134 stop devaluing defense then.

    • @GamersCorner2134
      @GamersCorner2134 Před 7 měsíci

      @@theklr Nobody is devaluing defense, what are you talking about? The conversation is about cornerstone players and loyalty to teams, star power Smart will never have. Even Derozan is only part of the conversation because of the franchise he was part of

  • @A.S.O.L.E
    @A.S.O.L.E Před 7 měsíci +74

    The loyalty thing is a topic from older generations because the really didn’t understand the amount of power they and pressure young players to stay loyal and never end up winning anything thing . Also every super star wanted to trade when they were in a bad situation once .

    • @romanramirez7847
      @romanramirez7847 Před 7 měsíci +10

      Well said. Loyalty was never something that was widely shared by all of the players in any era. The reason why so many players stuck to their teams in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and most of the 80’s was because there was no free agency at that point, and a lot of players were basically stuck on their squad unless they demanded a trade. Guys like Kareem, Oscar and Wilt were the ones who were able to force their way out of their teams because they didn’t get the support they needed. Even Magic almost forced his way out of the Lakers in just his 3rd season.

    • @therealspikeflee
      @therealspikeflee Před 7 měsíci

      THANK YOU!

    • @duydo6924
      @duydo6924 Před 7 měsíci +3

      Older generations didn't have the same option. I think that's why they stress so much about loyalty to cope for the fact that they were indentured servants. Could you imagine if Wilt teamed up with Jerry West and the Big O?

    • @mentalprograming5365
      @mentalprograming5365 Před 29 dny

      yup, they are envious.. its like a man who cant see his kids trying to tell a man who has custody of his kids what to do.. like bruh, your a child in this field, stay in your place you have no experience on this matter

  • @perc9-4
    @perc9-4 Před 7 měsíci +21

    This why I switch teams 3 times on my career do whats best for you and that goes for any job or any situation

  • @theklr
    @theklr Před 7 měsíci +6

    Loyalty is a concept in this context to keep laborers from negotiating their worth. As any role player how loyalty works in this league. It’s always been a myth used to get players to be grateful and given the makeup of the athletes in the NBA we can see how that can be taken.

  • @jamvan1000
    @jamvan1000 Před 7 měsíci +20

    Steph didn't stay with the Warriors, because he's loyal, he stayed because they're an amazingly ran organization. Yes, they've had some bad moves, but 4 rings is more success than 99.99999% of players will ever get

    • @kohsmoger1567
      @kohsmoger1567 Před 7 měsíci

      You could say the same thing for Kobe or Tim Duncan

    • @EduardoOliveira-zx9ju
      @EduardoOliveira-zx9ju Před 7 měsíci +2

      Dirk took a MAJOR pay cut. He declined $95 million only to receive a little under $30 million

  • @Mtndrew655
    @Mtndrew655 Před 7 měsíci +6

    This all aged well😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @prodbydevv
    @prodbydevv Před 7 měsíci +12

    Please upload more bruh deadass 😭😭

  • @Scramblefred2399
    @Scramblefred2399 Před 7 měsíci +15

    You know who players are loyal to? Their families. Players should maximize every moment they have to take care of themselves and their people. The owners will be just fine.

  • @Lilbluepenguin10
    @Lilbluepenguin10 Před 7 měsíci +4

    The lack of loyalty becomes an issue not on the player side, not on the team side, but the fan side. I hear it time and time again of people not wanting to get back into basketball because of all the team hopping.

  • @kvngt0n
    @kvngt0n Před 7 měsíci +41

    every since kd went to golden state loyalty died

    • @arikejoja9461
      @arikejoja9461 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Right

    • @Michael._M416
      @Michael._M416 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Spitting 🔥

    • @ozziegee
      @ozziegee Před 7 měsíci +1

      Lebron* there I fixed it 👍

    • @skywalker2676
      @skywalker2676 Před 7 měsíci +8

      @@ozziegee wtf 💀what does Lebron gotta do. He left a team after his contract was up he never forced a trade

    • @arikejoja9461
      @arikejoja9461 Před 7 měsíci +2

      ​@@skywalker2676facts

  • @JJS1609
    @JJS1609 Před 7 měsíci +6

    The Dame situation is the prime example of why NBA players owe their franchises nothing. He was literally the most loyal player possible, a guy with HOF talent who stuck with a flailing franchise. And what did he get for his loyalty? He got backstabbed. The Trailblazers have claimed over the past few years that they were still committed to building around Dame and yet over that time period they’ve drafted players with the obvious intention of rebuilding. He gave them his loyalty. They gave him nothing. That’s messed up as hell. NBA players should not be expected to be loyal to these mfs

    • @Iyoska_Edgerunner25
      @Iyoska_Edgerunner25 Před 7 měsíci

      The only thing to keep a player loyal is a good organization because no players is gonna stay a losing team for 8 years or their entire career of losing and mising the playoffs

    • @infasis
      @infasis Před 7 měsíci

      It goes both ways. If an organization does anything and everything for you, and you stab them in the back it's no better.
      It's "blind loyalty" or being expected to be loyal when the other party isn't that's the problem.

  • @GoFartherPodcast
    @GoFartherPodcast Před 7 měsíci +2

    Loving this channel!
    Fairly new NBA fan here, and this channel is always the best

  • @noelcrenshaw7969
    @noelcrenshaw7969 Před 7 měsíci +12

    The whole loyalty thing is only worth it if you have a team and organization around you that's actually doing something. Steph in golden state has been great. He does his part, the org does theirs, no reason for him to leave. On the other end is dame and Portland. He's basically been the only thing keeping them relevant and they've given him nothing in return. He should have left earlier than he did.

  • @robertoblampf9730
    @robertoblampf9730 Před 7 měsíci +10

    I think part of the dilemma could also be that if you have one or two max players it severely limits the pieces you can surround your star(s) with under this cap system. I think it would be different if a star player sacrificed money to help the team get under the cap and the team burns that player (like James Harden) than expecting max money, multiple all stars and championships. Currently, there has to be sacrifices made on both sides.

  • @danielvasquez3758
    @danielvasquez3758 Před 7 měsíci +12

    I'm glad it is ending!!! I want to see some competition among the very best of teams!!

    • @leroyrodgers6089
      @leroyrodgers6089 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Ok, I agree to some extent, but having players like Harden, Simmons, KD etc. leave every few years isn't great for the game. I'm shocked the CBA didn't address it.

  • @kdawg6887
    @kdawg6887 Před 7 měsíci +15

    Honestly nobody in the business deserves loyalty. Just a hard worker that gives there all to win is the best thing you can ask for

  • @fredbanda5494
    @fredbanda5494 Před 6 měsíci

    Great video, love the style and editing 🚀

  • @adrianmarkovic3197
    @adrianmarkovic3197 Před 7 měsíci +22

    And people are just gonna blame Lebron

  • @thesphyrth
    @thesphyrth Před 7 měsíci +2

    Loyalty isn't a word I'd consider for this. It's more of the issue about what player/s identify each team.
    I used to memorize each team's names based on their franchise superstars. For example, we used to say Ray Allen and Supersonics interchangeably. When those same stars switched teams, it's usually an indication that they're out of their prime.
    Nowadays, we can barely do that anymore.

  • @Sqeaky6969
    @Sqeaky6969 Před 7 měsíci +13

    I think most people misunderstand loyalty in the league, it's a business not a relationship loyalty to me should mean both the players and the FO are on the same page. The organization has to do their best to help further ur career and u have an obligation to help the organization win or become better, basically just a mutually beneficial partnership but there are organizations that go beyond that givning special treament to certain players and people expect that to happen for everyone. At the end of the day to me it comes down to are we in this together or not if a player and org are in the same page and communicate with each other to fix the teams problems along with being a big part of the community, that's loyalty. A loyal organization shouldn't pull a raptors with demar where they kept saying they weren't gonna trade him only to do it a week later and a loyal player shouldn't pull a Vince Carter and force the entire fanbase to hate him. Even looking at the best organizations they have great relationships and are extremely loyal with their players like gsw spurs and the heat all have had very few problems regarding loyalty

    • @ZoomZoom356
      @ZoomZoom356 Před 7 měsíci

      You’re right, that’s what people don’t seem to understand, the NBA is a business just like any other industry, job or profession out there. So when a player requests a trade or doesn’t resign with their old team, it has nothing to do with loyalty, it’s about opportunity and a chance to improve. So the people who are talking about NBA teams doing players dirty like Isaiah Thomas with the Celtics by trading him, or calling players disloyal when they request a trade or leave in FA, those people no nothing about business or how it works. I’ll make it pretty simple. What happens when an employee is performing poorly at their job, they get fired. What happens when someone gets offered a higher position at twice the salary, they resign and take the new job. Contrary to popular belief, an employee who stays in the same position with the same company for 15-20 years is a rarity, including the NBA which is also a business. The average tenure of an employee in the business world is only about 4 years. That number applies to the NBA as well, it’s just like any other business.

  • @angelatanurdzic7508
    @angelatanurdzic7508 Před 7 měsíci

    Love this channel ❤

  • @brett8754
    @brett8754 Před 7 měsíci

    Liked, comment and subscribed. I think the creators like you who have good mics, editing and high quality videos need more love

  • @notacat7127
    @notacat7127 Před 7 měsíci +11

    There’s never been any loyalty

  • @Jeff_2x
    @Jeff_2x Před 7 měsíci +2

    People really think a player is “loyal” when in reality their just consistently in a REAL GOOD situation where they don’t have e.g. Steph Curry

    • @tristiancargle5174
      @tristiancargle5174 Před 7 měsíci +1

      That logic don't work because KD was in a great organization that was the OKC Thunder they built that team around him, he join the team that he was up 3-1 against.

  • @whoisthis4
    @whoisthis4 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Looking at how Boston handled IT, I don’t think any player has to stay loyal to a franchise

  • @danielvasquez3758
    @danielvasquez3758 Před 7 měsíci +11

    Loyalty is only a one way street in the NBA!!! It has been that way forever!!

  • @thebest2897
    @thebest2897 Před 7 měsíci +7

    This player empowerment thing only applies to about 15 players out of maybe 450. That’s 3%. Since that 3% pretty much drive interest in the sport, they have a special kind of leverage that’s unique to all of pro sports that I follow. At the end of the day, the owners still have all of the power. They just let this 3% call some of the shots because it aligns with their bottom lines. Let’s be real here

    • @Bigedub101
      @Bigedub101 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Exactly... If u not a SUPERSTAR...u on the chopping block. Look at Derozen, they told him he was not in trade talks and traded him anyway while he was chillin with family

    • @GDKF0238
      @GDKF0238 Před 7 měsíci

      Let that 3% keep runnin and they’ll see those ratings flop

  • @ultimAvalon
    @ultimAvalon Před 7 měsíci +1

    Loyalty goes both ways.

  • @fobinc
    @fobinc Před 7 měsíci

    Owners that have loyal players are often complacent, it's better for them to feel the pressure constantly. This motivates teams to build rosters better, or you get stories like Dame and Portland.

  • @pinnacull
    @pinnacull Před 7 měsíci

    yo swishout, you are the goat of nba youtube

  • @brotherlooselips
    @brotherlooselips Před 7 měsíci

    These are some of the most loyal fathers we’ve ever seen from the NBA

  • @goatproduxionsreacts7195
    @goatproduxionsreacts7195 Před 7 měsíci

    ngl, swishout’s videos wouldnt even be complete without a manscape ad😭
    i remember he didnt have a ad one video, and it was so odd

  • @chikinnugjits5452
    @chikinnugjits5452 Před 7 měsíci

    Swishout background instrumentals
    Go crazy every time

  • @BHamblett_1
    @BHamblett_1 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I think a huge part of this loyalty issue is that people (the fans) are more loyal to certain players than franchises. Look at how many Lebron fans have Cleveland, Miami, and Laker jerseys. He's not alone either. Lots of fans have followed KD to his new teams. They are certainly loyal city fans, but unless you live in that city or in close proximity, you have no obligation to continue to root for a team that is dog water. So instead, rural fans pick the players they enjoy watching and they watch them!

  • @brianlew86
    @brianlew86 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Don’t treat loyalty like a given. Treat it like a business.
    Feels less painful that way.

  • @michaelwhite4004
    @michaelwhite4004 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I think especially it is rare now to see teammates play with the same team is basically over now especially now now with players moving left and right.🏀

  • @kasperkoltrain
    @kasperkoltrain Před 7 měsíci

    Loyalty in sports is temporary and there is no betrayal without trust

  • @dvdv8197
    @dvdv8197 Před 7 měsíci

    Nice take, thats for sure! 🎉

  • @csl9495
    @csl9495 Před 7 měsíci

    Sad to see it, but also glad to see it. Players need to do whats best for them. These organizations aint shit

  • @oldenoughtowatchify
    @oldenoughtowatchify Před 7 měsíci

    swish got that good music taste, old 2014 Forest Hills Drive and some Anderson Paak instrumentals too

  • @AGRisGoofy
    @AGRisGoofy Před 7 měsíci

    Players should talk about this stuff in interviews and social media stuff cause they have to change things even though some players can overuse their power they cannot let a stuck up losing franchise ruin their careers

  • @Mdevlin0
    @Mdevlin0 Před 7 měsíci

    “The Chris Paul trade was just weird.”
    Thank you! Been saying this since it happened and I can’t find many people that agree for some reason..

  • @j_the_don5160
    @j_the_don5160 Před 7 měsíci

    I’m glad the mentality of loyalty for fans is changing. We know have disconnected the idea of loyalty to fans when it’s truly taking a paycut for incompetent management.

  • @dijonsplash3822
    @dijonsplash3822 Před 7 měsíci +3

    whose here after dame traded to the bucks 😹

  • @tommystrickland6268
    @tommystrickland6268 Před 7 měsíci +2

    The teams owners need to show them more return for the loyalty.
    But in the same sense there are role players on teams that dont do much that have been on the roster for a while it seems like loyalty in the nba is something that superstars shouldnt get caught in because they are the ones who get traded the second they arnt playing the same

  • @Jeff_2x
    @Jeff_2x Před 7 měsíci

    The word “loyalty” gets thrown around WAY too much in NBA discourse when it NEVER EXISTED LMAOOO

  • @AppliedNuggets
    @AppliedNuggets Před 7 měsíci

    You can’t do Kdot & Cole dirty like that droppin their banger on bad testies you’re a wild man

  • @kidflashiv
    @kidflashiv Před 7 měsíci +2

    Loyalty is cool but it’s okay for players and organizations to decide to do what’s best for themselves. If it’s time to move on from each other, it’s time.

  • @josea.dejesusf.8305
    @josea.dejesusf.8305 Před 7 měsíci

    Swishout video, is gon be a good day.

  • @marcusvarnado5956
    @marcusvarnado5956 Před 7 měsíci

    You know what they say “Loyalty goes both ways”

  • @MrMac-zk5tv
    @MrMac-zk5tv Před 7 měsíci +1

    Giannis to the Warriors next summer would be LIT 🔥

  • @adot2x159
    @adot2x159 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Swishout knew something we didn’t y’all only problem is he had the wrong person next to giannis in the thumbnail 😂

  • @kaz7690
    @kaz7690 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I've never understood why the NBA (and sports) community valued loyalty so much.

    • @romanramirez7847
      @romanramirez7847 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Because of people reliving the “Glory days” of Magic, Bird, Kobe, Duncan, Dirk and Jordan having their success on just one team (While forgetting Jordan’s Wizards stints) so people hold those standards to today’s players for some reason. Even though there’s always been players who have had championship success on multiple teams (Kareem, Shaq, Wilt)

  • @MusicLover-my6fo
    @MusicLover-my6fo Před 7 měsíci +2

    I personally have believed that "loyalty" in the NBA has been viewed at in skewed lenses in the past 10+ years. We think that because Larry Bird, Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan all won their accolades in the same jersey they were drafted by, that every player that we think can be an all-time great after them must do the same in order to be validated. But the thing is, most owners that have big name players are owners of small market teams and it costs a lot of money to realistically purse a championship. And most owners aren't willing to pay X+ in order to get their star player that he needs to win. So, with that in mind, free agency and trades are totally justified, and players need to do what they need to in order to win.

    • @romanramirez7847
      @romanramirez7847 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Agreed. People point to Lebron as ruining “Loyalty” but it’s always been this way. Even in the 70’s, Kareem forced his way out of Milwaukee because he didn’t like how the organization was run and that paid off great for him. And in the 90’s Shaq left Orlando because they wouldn’t pay him the money that he deserved, and that also lead to him winning. So it’s always been there despite people looking at Jordan, Bird and Magic through rose colored glasses.

  • @jeyserreacts3444
    @jeyserreacts3444 Před 7 měsíci

    Dame is proof loyalty is not the way

  • @DJ000123456
    @DJ000123456 Před 7 měsíci

    Any time people complain about players’ loyalty with me,. I always said “look what Boston did to IT”

  • @dymes2513
    @dymes2513 Před 7 měsíci +2

    SWISHOUT da goat

  • @Grievous_
    @Grievous_ Před 7 měsíci +20

    Cuury the only loyal one left now, after how shit we became after Durant left, we only had 15 wins and Curry could’ve easily asked for a trade but stuck it out with us through those 2 difficult seasons and won it all again! Every other star wouldve said “fck this” and dipped

    • @floijd
      @floijd Před 7 měsíci +16

      What are you talking about? They only won 15 games because everybody (including Curry!) was injured, not because KD left.

    • @desiarnes4731
      @desiarnes4731 Před 7 měsíci

      @@floijdthey was trash in 2020 also my guy

    • @deeznutz6312
      @deeznutz6312 Před 7 měsíci +10

      ​@desiarnes4731 curry was injured in 2020

    • @Janon743
      @Janon743 Před 7 měsíci +3

      And they have a right to leave if they want.
      Now, that 15 win season happened because like everyone was injured. With a healthy roster that’s still a playoff team

    • @Janon743
      @Janon743 Před 7 měsíci +4

      @@desiarnes4731The 2020 season was the 15 win season my guy

  • @korongnyong
    @korongnyong Před 7 měsíci +1

    Players' loyalty to teams is disappearing. Teams' loyalty to players have never existed.

  • @IHateBlackPeppa
    @IHateBlackPeppa Před 7 měsíci

    That outro🔥🔥😮‍💨

  • @banshotenin1178
    @banshotenin1178 Před 7 měsíci

    The main reason there's no loyalty is because the NBA or owners of NBA teams only care about themeselves. Look what happened to Isaiah Thomas in 2017 when they traded him to the Cavs after his hip injury, or the racism against Jeremy Lin with him being forced out of the NBA completely never to return or even D Rose after his injury and getting traded out of Chicago...the list goes on and on as to why it makes no logical sense to be blindly loyal to an organization that is more than happy to throw you under the bus if it potentially makes them more money.
    They call it a business decision.

  • @tagenshew647
    @tagenshew647 Před 7 měsíci

    Teams remind me of normal jobs. They expect you to put your two weeks in but if they wanna fire/get rid of you they can do so whenever they please

  • @saulpineda5539
    @saulpineda5539 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Jokic with Denver will be the last loyal relationship for a long time in the NBA

  • @Frostie323
    @Frostie323 Před 7 měsíci

    It took way to long for player to understand it is just a business. Paying someone what they’re worth doesn’t earn loyalty, taking a Chance when an most other wouldn’t does, teams treat players like trading cards, I’m pissing on the grave of “Loyalty”

  • @filippos4648
    @filippos4648 Před 7 měsíci

    No team is emotional when negotiating with players and they would trade them in an instant if it benefits the team. If this loyalty is one sided, then its just stupidity. Good for the players for not wasting their careers for businesses that see them as assets.

  • @theblazingblaziken1951
    @theblazingblaziken1951 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Always funny how GMs preach about how “The NBA’s a business” but when they are at receiving end of a business decision they constantly bitch and moan 😂

  • @leroyrodgers6089
    @leroyrodgers6089 Před 7 měsíci +10

    The genius behind the CP3 trade is that CP can run the second team and he will help develop Kuminga and those other boys. It's really great. It's like having Igodala back there. I still think the Warriors need a 7 foot center though, I don't understand why they can't find one.

    • @Iyoska_Edgerunner25
      @Iyoska_Edgerunner25 Před 7 měsíci

      Should they call tacko fall

    • @nenevz2948
      @nenevz2948 Před 7 měsíci +1

      CP3 going to show the young guys how to waddle in an insurance commercial. That’s about his skill set at this point

  • @DEZEEKE
    @DEZEEKE Před 7 měsíci +1

    There is no such thing as loyalty in performance based business

  • @rakimhinds6388
    @rakimhinds6388 Před 7 měsíci

    Loyalty died when Portland didn’t immediately trade Dame to Miami. They already got a top 2 pick in the draft, great young stars, and Miami is offering at least Tyler Hero and even more draft capital. This is the most inexcusable betrayal I’ve seen from a team to a player in a LONG time.

  • @calebadamu
    @calebadamu Před 7 měsíci

    Team trades a player: no one bats an eye
    Player requests a trade: everyone loses their mind 🃏

  • @km_1911
    @km_1911 Před 7 měsíci

    It always blows my mind when players go out of their ways to be loyal to an organization that will trade them away in a second if it made perfect business sense to do so.

  • @fobbyP
    @fobbyP Před 7 měsíci

    I’m tired of hearing this term of “loyalty” in the NBA. Seriously the percentage of players that stay on one team their whole career is most likely under 15%. There was never loyalty from the owners/GMs

  • @alexandervargas79
    @alexandervargas79 Před 7 měsíci

    “Loyalty one way is stupidity” - Derek Jeter

  • @gravedigger3830
    @gravedigger3830 Před 7 měsíci +7

    loyalty in the nba has been dead

  • @NotoriousSSV
    @NotoriousSSV Před 7 měsíci

    Bout time!

  • @benji2731
    @benji2731 Před 7 měsíci +1

    wake up babe swishout dropped

  • @Keepit_100
    @Keepit_100 Před 7 měsíci +1

    NBA LOYALTY HAS TO GO BOTH WAYS BUT UNFORTUNATELY FOR SOME IT DOESN’T

  • @taiwojackson1251
    @taiwojackson1251 Před 7 měsíci

    Players have very rarely been shown loyalty so why would anyone expect them stay in a situation that is not in their best interest?

  • @SirTwo17
    @SirTwo17 Před 7 měsíci

    Good glad it’s over

  • @internetgodlilbihh
    @internetgodlilbihh Před 7 měsíci

    loyalty doesn't matter in a literal business, player loyalty is quite dumb if the team aint winning. every season players should be looking to create cross league relationships, better the chemistry,,the better they play

  • @alphabah2828
    @alphabah2828 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Steph and Jokic are the last superstars who will stay their entire careers with the franchise that drafted them.

  • @HomellAlcautor
    @HomellAlcautor Před 7 měsíci +1

    Here's my thing about NBA loyalty... It never existed... The only difference is that (now) players have the *ability* to take control of their careers.

  • @aznpikachu215
    @aznpikachu215 Před 7 měsíci

    NBA is a business, to get the most money, players sacrifice loyalty.

  • @AbsolutelyAbsurDDD
    @AbsolutelyAbsurDDD Před 7 měsíci

    Loyalty shouldn't exist anymore. No reason to be loyal to an organization that isn't loyal to you. What should exist tho, is basic respect, which some players (Harden, Simmons, etc.) seem to lack

  • @jcalm1
    @jcalm1 Před 7 měsíci

    Money is loyality

  • @SpeedyGz_
    @SpeedyGz_ Před 7 měsíci

    Everybody just wants to be the best individual player who needs a team when u can carry one

  • @drewstopher6696
    @drewstopher6696 Před 7 měsíci

    Players should only be loyal to each other. Organizations literally view them as assets.

  • @stevenkirkpatrick6818
    @stevenkirkpatrick6818 Před 7 měsíci

    Why does loyalty have to be a thing in such a business that most teams don't have loyalty to the players, why should the player hold loyalty, when they can be traded or dropped whenever.

  • @Jeff_2x
    @Jeff_2x Před 7 měsíci +1

    NBA is the ONLY team sport obsessed with “loyalty”. In other sports like NFL in soccer your PRAISED winning in other teams and or leagues (soccer) but in NBA is somehow a knock to your legacy if you go to another team 😂