Brakes DELETED still has Grinding Noise! Rusted out 2011 Kia Sorento 2.4 3.6
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2023
- At some point, the parking brakes were worn or severely rusted, this was causing some grinding noises. The parking brake hardware was removed by another mechanic in order stop the noise. Howere, after deleting the brakes, there was still a noise caused by used or worn out wheel bearings. We are going to tear down the rear hubs and backing plates to replace the whole assemblies on a Kia Sorento.
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This is my car. The e-brakes were sacrificed earlier this year in NJ when the new rear calipers were put on. At that point, we knew we were escaping NJ and would look at either getting rid of the car or fixing it once we got down here. With Ray's help and advice, I decided to go ahead on repairs (there's more work to go on it and those parts are being walked over from Korea, apparently). It's all good, because I don't need the car right away, and I know Ray is going to do an awesome job with it.
And since he didn't tell us... there's about 153k miles on it. And I experienced the worst sphincter pucker ever when he said "This is going well".
Escaping Joisey, or any NE state up to the NH border (even NH lately is falling to lunacy) is a wise move. Bonus?...no more shoveling snow. 🤘
In no time at all you'll know everything about wet n dry vac's and AC systems. 🤪
Did you go to R.R.R. because of the channel?
@@clbcl5 I've been a fan of Ray's since back when he was in the old shop doing the doodly doos. When we moved down here, we're close enough to Bradenton (about an hour away) that I chose to have Ray look at it because I know he's a great mechanic because of his channel, rather than take my chances with an unknown shop.
Smart move. Finding a good car guy is tough.@@Torgonius
@@Torgonius yeah I want to bring him one of my cars down from near Atlanta just to have Ray go over it. Very impressed with him and his skill and integrity over the past few years
Am a big believer in visual demonstration, as my dad always says " a picture is worth more than a thousand words. ". Great job Ray.
If Troy is shown the right way, he will learn the right way.
Eric O. looking at all that crusty rusty mess, he be like, "sh!!!!!t son, that's like a new car around here".
It's horrible seeing people having so much fun while they are working. Management will be notified. 😅
Great job as always, Ray. It's good to see you in a better mood ever since you opened your own shop.
Boy if there was just an H/R.
Human Ray?
Wife unit is H/R
But really miss the doalydoadoo. 😂
Maybe edit one or two in your content just for fun.
Ray, you are 100% correct about showing someone the way to do something the right way. That is how people learn. Not by trial and error. This was my lesson to a flight instructor. He had me learning crosswind landings. One after another I did not get it. He said keep doing it, you will. Then I said "you do one. I want to see how you do it" I watched and I got it the 1st time after that. You can not let someone keep struggling to get it right when one demonstration gets it done.
At the last place I worked at before I retired, there were more than a few maintenance people who regarded any advice as "band camp stories".
Arguing with someone about how to work on a device that can kill you is as foolhardy as arguing with a flight instructor, but I encountered it many times in my 43 years.
The flight instructor gave you a valuable lesson. You learned how not to do crosswind landings before you learned how to do them by that instructor. Learning by failure first leads to more successful proper learning.
Is that how a surgeon learns?@@billhennie
@@Leon-qc7feit was the comment a surgeon friend of mine told me. Surgeon’s have a big checklist of surgeries with three tasks: 1)watch. 2)do. 3)teach. I use the same approach for teaching intern and junior engineers and also used with my kids when they were learning how to write 20 page papers in early highschool. Far too much of technique is taught via tribal knowledge. The step of teaching is surprisingly important to solidify the knowledge.
I agree especially with showing some people will try to hide their hand movements while instructing someone a job. I always showed people to do it right the first time and more if needed.
God bless the workers
It's OK watching you and Troy fix things together. The bantering is fine if it's respectful.
yeah if Troy would been alone, and a bolt or stud be that stuck maybe harder to solve. :)
Ray got just about the right balance in this one. Teamwork is a good way to share skills.
The description of a surgical procedure is “Watch one, Do one”, Teach one”. I think Ray’s involvement was perfect. It was more like, “Teach an individual to fish…”.
Many jobs are like that, usually one man per job, but on occasion put two on certain jobs to just knock it out.
anyone know who the third guy is working inside the mustang at around 18 minutes
Troy is a great employee and has an awesome personality. I would rather work with a person who is inexperienced and willing to listen and learn than someone who thinks they know everything and won't take suggestions to better themselves!! You guys are the best keep up the good work!!
Who is Troy. Ive missed the past months right before ray finished the new lift spot in the shop
Northern Mechanics are like "Ray you call that rust, that is like normal up here, we seen whole frames rotted away, hanging on by a thread".
Troy is fortunate to be able to learn from one of the best !
Always good to make sure that vehicle is working properly with the required equipment!
Just did the front wheel bearing (and front brakes, engine oil, serpentine belt) on my salt belt 2010 Subaru Outback today. It did NOT want to come out of the steering knuckle. The cotter pins for the lower ball joint and tie rod end were completely rotted away and had to be drilled out to install new pins during re-assembly. The brake slider pins were all seized up also. Got to love the road salt.
It was nice having an easy job with no broken bolts or stripped threads.
Dont jinx it.
I agree, a job without the OMG moments. It's better on the pay and the back.
As someone who lost brakes @ 50mph due to busted brake line, Emergency brakes are great to have!
Agreed, whether electronically activated or an old fashioned hand brake, they will stop a car.
E brakes are also good to accentuate steering and to get the back of the car to slide in the snow. FWD has some problems with doing donuts in the winter!
19:45 Pretty sweet that comes as an assembly, the backing plates with the parking brake hardware all pre-installed.
Edit: It was ghetto AF that the parking brake was missing in the first place, did the right thing insisting they get installed.
I like it when someone shows me how things are done.just like you.that’s how you learn things by watching someone doing it
At least Troy remembered to put the two Philips screws in to hold the disc on. Well done, Troy.
Actually only one of them. I reckon the other one and both on Ray's side were already missing. Now would you have put the drum on to align with the blank screw holes if you haven't got any screws to hand? Or would you put it 72deg out to mask them off as Ray did?
“No one ever hit that lever during an emergency”
Speak for yourself, Ray! I certainly have. Made it home safe too.
Me too ! Lost brakes on an old Ford LTD going down a 4% grade. Scared the shit out of me. Engaged the emergency brake and actually brought me to stop eventually. So yes, it can save your life
I’ll 3rd that. My brake line ruptured and I lost brakes. Also the ”real” reason they are called emergency brakes is because when hydraulic brakes were introduced, people didn’t trust them and car manufacturers had to add a backup, mechanical brake to ensure people
I was looking for this comment. I've heard of people using the parking/emergency brakes when the regular brake system failed.
Yep, blew a line in morning traffic once and you can bet I was threshold braking with the ole handbrake to slow down
But unfortunately, thanks to the new electronic parking brake, there is no way to do that anymore.
I totally agree with Ray and give him credit where due. When it comes to total hands-on physical work, being shown how to do something is 90% of it.
Troy now knows there are several different options he can apply when it comes to running into repair situations outside of the norm.
I've seen lots of comments from viewers, thanking Ray for showing / educating them on how to do certain repairs. It would be funny if Ray said to the viewers, "I'm going to edit out the repair part because I want you to figure it out for yourself.
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Also 😂😂😂
I agree... but I also think that bolt/stud extraction was kind of a (very) basic job. I can't imagine Troy never had to drill out a bolt or use a pneumatic hammer to force it out... but meanwhile is doing engine and brake work.
Ray also has the hydraulic press: is there any reason not to use it instead ?
not always the case, theres a good chance every issue he faced was rather easy. I fix cars and it took me atlest a year before i encountered a stuck or broken bolt that didnt come out with a little hammer action. As a newbie at that time I was not fullt aware of the other methods like drilling them out etc, or welding bolts to the broken stud and backing it out, and if i was I WAS A NEWBIE!!! you think a new guy is going to start hacking on exspensive parts of somebody elses car? no fucking way. so when an experienced guy or the owner can just come show you the thing because telling you doesnt get the entire point across seeing it in action does, and that makes it easier to deal with that the next time it happens@@MickayG
The "showing" teaching technique is far more efficient for the initial learning experience than telling someone how to do something and letting them stumble through themselves. Often, there are multiple paths to the same outcome, the choice of which to use being dependent upon a multitude of variables. I the case of the bolt, the first-choice options didn't work, necessitating further evaluation. Learning to navigate those choices are also part of the learning process, so him observing you going through them served him much better than the trial and error process he'd have had to go through without your help. That's why we have apprentices in the first place. Otherwise, they'd be just grunt helpers.
The Emergency Brake/E-Brake/Parking Brake can be used in a situation where the Brake Pedal goes all the way to the floor. The E-Brake can then be used in the event of an “Emergency”. I’ve experienced this before, years ago. It’s a one time thing, but very handy.
The rust was holding the wheel, since the lugs were loose.
I look at it like this. Yes Troy should learn on his own BUT it's like the old adage Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day TEACH a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Troy now knows how to remove a broken stud the proper way. When I was learning how to lay brick we had jobs where you had to lay brick with a level (building a brick lead, very difficult for a beginner.) So I got some extra brick and some mortar from a job site we were working on, took them home and practiced laying with e level. To this day I can still lay a perfectly plumb and level lead. So work ethic plays a huge role in learning.
Always nice when a rusty vehicle from the north Goes smooth on disassembly when bolts are rusty but they come out smooth makes you smile and makes the day better 13:00 @Rainman Ray's Repairs
If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a video or visual activity is worth a million words we learn visually. keep up the good work and he will be a great mechanic in an era that has very few good mechanics. Any two year old with 20 years of experience can do it.
My father pounded it through my thick skull that it is a "Parking Brake", not an emergency brake. I remember being around 10-11 years old the first time he got on me about it as I moved his truck around his small hay and alfalfa farm. It annoys me when people call it an emergency brake.
As long as Troy was standing there watching and learning, I see no issue with you doing the work to show him how it is done, as long as he learns.
Have a wonderful day, Ray.
Ray the point about Troy not learning if he doesn’t do something himself. He will learn by watching you also. Have a good day Ray
If Eric was watching you, he would get much pleasure watching you Deal with Rust like he does everyday...Just don't forget the Spray Oil Film that is Necessary on All Northern Vehicles..
THANK YOU for specifying that the parking brake is in fact, just that, a PARKING brake, not an "emergency" or "e" brake. I get so tired of people calling it that...
Ray, you are correct. In the world of EMS that I used to be in and was an instructor, I would teach show and then have them do. 1st time every time they would get it. Never failed. Good job sir.
My school’s mantra: See one . . . Do one . . . Teach one.
That was awesome for an easy job for once and it was great to see you and Troy enjoy the job together.
As a 30yr employee of a a car manufacturer, retired, all I can say is the only way to learn is to watch somebody do it and have them train instead of just telling you how to do it, back in my day they had actual Vo-Tech school that taught u in High school..
As my internal combustion engines used to say: read about one, see how is done one and do one, that's how you learn, and he converted a pure theory class in to a practical one. I learned too much seeing how to do than reading, and then I learned a lot of my own mistakes.
Another reason to do it for Troy is that time is money. You could let him spend an hour of shop time doing it himself or take 10 min of your time, do it and you can both get back to work.
This repair went too smoothly. The repair gremlins are angry and will make up for this in a future repair.
Well, the Rubasu is still at the shop, so there is time for more stripped out boltholes.
I can confirm here in Liverpool England we also call them Cotter Pins 😉😊. We also have Split Pins and Taper Pins. I don't think it matters too much how you bend the ends over 🤔 whichever looks neatest. 👍👍👍.
I can't believe how it was still being driven with no Parking brakes being a safety component.😂😂😂
In the northeast and rust belt midwest, all of that deteriorating undercarriage rust is commonly referred to as "flavor". 😉
I'm so happy to see you working side by side with Troy, you should do more of it. He will learn so much from you, it makes my heart happy
Happy hump day Ray. Working on a Rusty Northern Kia. This will be a great video.
First Mad Max movie is 1979.
I fully agree with your method of teaching Troy I always learn a lot more by watching someone do it first
Yes you were right in showing him. Remind them that a lot of us are watching you to also. So we learn how to do things. Thank you you've tough me a lot by watching you. 👍
Ya know, for that being a northern car, it sure did come apart quite nicely. It's much easier to learn by either being hands-on or being shown in real time, I absolutely agree with you 💯 Ray!! Great video, sir. I'm looking forward to tomorrow's video already❤
Have a great day EVERYONE in Ray land!!
First, for a Jersey car that didn't have much rust. I'm guessing it belongs to an elderly retired person who doesn't go out when it's snowing or spends most of the winter in Florida. Second, it's really obvious that someone had that all apart recently.
Good thorough job fixing that up Ray. Well done.
There's two versions of the original Mad Max movie. The one that shows a ball bouncing down the road and the one that didn't make it to TV as it showed a head rolling down the road.... Mad Max began a whole new culture in the custom Car and Bike world that lives to this day.
I like the way the rear bearings come off of that car. Many types get rusted on.
young troy is a credit to your company ray keep up the great work troy
Really happy for you on this one. Usually maintenance of this type and the vehicle's home would have made for a horrendously hard procedure.
Troy has changed so much since he started with you, not camera shy now, confident in his own ability to see a job through, can take a joke and give it back, mainly down to your ability to teach in a friendly way and make him not feel useless when he has to ask and accept advice, He is a good asset to your business well done, when I first started here in UK in the 70s we were thrown in at the deep end and just got so much stick for when something was wrong, we were made to feel useless.
Besides Ray teaching Troy, Ray also taught his CZcams viewers how to do it.
I'm pleased for you, Ray. Every time I saw that long air hose being dragged from the compressor, I wondered how long it would be before you got the air plumbing installed. Very convenient to simply pull a hose down from an overhead reel. Nice job.
Coming from a Northern state I'd like to know how this passed or was expected to pass annual state inspection with no parking brakes.
In the UK, that definitely wouldn't pass the compulsory annual inspection (MOT). If a traffic cop was to pull the driver over and found the brakes disabled (they do check for stuff like that here) they could have a prohibition order placed on the vehicle, meaning it couldn't be driven again until it was repaired and inspected at an MOT garage.
All vehicles across the EU including Britain must have 2 independent ways to slow the vehicle, which is why all cars have 2 different types of brake operating systems.
You understand how Troy learns so that makes you a good teacher
That's right Ray, "Hammer" is both a noun and a verb, anything works as long as it hammers.
Well Ray, it seems to be like your shop is AT LEAST doing okay. I hope that you’re doing well as far as your monetary concers go. It’s at the least that you’re doing good enough for your filming equipment and I’m ALWAYS glad to see ya. 😁😊🤣🥴😁BTW, I grew up with Dad jokes so they are ALWAYS welcome 😉
Also, I think the parking brake is often referred to as an emergency brake as it can still actuate in an emergency if the hydraulic brake system suffers a failure. I've had it happen to me and did use the "e-brake" to stop.
I always thought they were just for doing cool high speed U-turns and slides in the corners.
Give me visual schooling every time!! I have gained some of my best know-how by watching people do things (whether they did it right or wrong). My dad always told me, "Learn from other people's mistakes when you can, and not your own mistakes".
AGREED!! The o ly parking brakes I would consider being an "e-brake" would be the one in the console.....
i live on the southern edge of the rust belt, and seeing the bearings slide right out without any force actually made me kinda mad
Right? I had to take a BFH and a chisel to the hub bearing on my truck to get it out. Took over an hour, and I mangled the brake dust shield.
im up in saskatchewan canada .......an own an old 97 lexus .......its more rust that metal holding this car togeather
37:52 lucky S.O.B. if that was a New England car, you would be under there with a hammer getting that brake free.
Glad they decided to repair everything
If they didn't want to
Would you have denied doing just the bearings
Because that would seem like a liability not doing everything
If books were a fool proof way of learning I should be a professional golfer by now. Demonstrative instruction has value.
When i first started in engineering, the only way i found to learn is by watching someone and constantly asking questions.
And if it's your shop and your teaching someone, you'll expect them to be as professional about their approach as you are.
Love the videos Ray can't wait to see the next one ❤❤
Ray, another great video as usual!!! Keep up the great work!!! You have a great future as a guide and teacher, even beyond this life and this world.
You did the right thing Ray in showing Troy how to do the extraction. First part of learning is to watch and learn.
I've had many apprentices over the years. Everyone is different. They all learn their own ways. As tradesmen we recognise this and teach accordingly. We'll done Ray on showing the young fella how to do it.
In regards to setting the parking brake, I have had a few cars where you could adjust the brake by the access of a circle hole on the disk, this has been a great help in the adjustment of parking brake.
that adjustment is normally to adjust for all brake shoe wear, including parking brake
When we saw Troy's side I think we saw the adjustment hole on the conical part of the brake disk/drum. So adjustment of the brake shoes do look like it's possible without removing the brake calipers and pulling the disk/drum.
normally the holes are a slot with rounded ends. Quite often they have rubber plugs in them@@blahorgaslisk7763
Those bearings are a whole lot easier than my 2010 Subaru. While they're not press-in, the rust had frozen the bearings in place to the point that I had to remove the entire control assembly and use a press to free it. I don't know (probably not) if anti-seize was used at the factory, but it definitely got a healthy dose during reassembly.
We both know they didn't use any.😂I did sway bar links on my RAV4 and definitely not. Involved removing the boot, penatrant,vice grips and a torch. The back of it was nearly impossible to get a bite with the vice grips yet the part you use a Allen wrench rounded off like butter.
Broke a vice getting one out, and then went and grabbed the arc welder to shrink the outer race, and the grinder to cut the inner race. MB B class. Was glad to see that one go to the sales floor, nice car, but expensive to keep in good order.
A whole lot of impact gun will get them out, but will take a while. There is also a special tool you can bolt to the bearing assembly that makes it easy to hammer the bearing off and out of the rest of the assembly. Works really well for salt belt cars.
Parking brake deletes aren’t uncommon up here in Wisconsin. My car’s been without them for about a decade now. Rust causes them not to release fully, then they fall apart and bind up while driving (ask me how I know lol). My car’s got 20 years of road salt exposure and makes this one look like it’s almost brand new in comparison. Haha if only I had the time to bring it down to Florida for new rear control arms. Don’t worry I won’t 😂
You doing " show and tell " with Troy is I think the fastest way up the learning curve . When I started apprenticing back in 1980 I learned the tricks from the senior mechanics showing me how it was done . Decades later I had a good idea how to properly coach the younger guys .
Ray, no need to go any farther. This is your shop and it was a teaching as well as a learning moment. Troy will come into his own as time goes by and the way you teach him he will ask for help if the situation should present itself.
The Sorentos are notorious for caliper failures, specifically seizing.
The dreaded 'It's going to be easy'. Fastest way for things to go sideways off the rails.
Old school medicine that I learned under; “see one, do one, teach one”. I agree with your teaching method with Castor Troy.
I think it's a shame that the person that deleted the parking break allowed them to drive on the bearings like that. They should've noticed. You did a wonderful job.
America First 🇺🇸
What a pile of rust! Great job 👍
Now go get a tetanus shot.
Good luck with that! "Good Stuff Cheap" replaced "United We Stand" a long time ago.
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#1 car made in America is a Honda! Nothing is made in America anymore.
Rainman Ray first!
110% agree. Stop the ebrake conversation. I drive a 5 speed civic and only use the "ebrake" to park, and slide around on the dirt roads.
THATS GOOD RAY YOU HELPING OUT TROY i had to do the same thing with one of my guys that actually turned out to be a very good tech
You’re a good man Ray, it doesn’t matter what Scotty Kilmer says about you! 😘😘
Ray not only are you a great mechanic you are a great teacher to show a person how to do something.
I taught Air Force Service personel and you hit it right on the head. Most folks learn by observing what needs to be done. Much better way to teach as retention is good and technique can alway be improved.
Wow, it all happened like clockwork. That rust belt is something. I have seen so many cars and trucks that look beautiful until you put them on the rack. They make the frames and all so light now that they can't take as much as the old days. If I ever live up there, I will make it a point to use that rust reversal stuff at least once a year.
Ray you did the right thing by showing him so he could see how it's done. That's the right thing to do ray teaching him is a good thing😊😊😊😊
Ray, you are the best. Not only are you teachong Troy about being a good mechanic. You are also teaching him about good Australian movies and actors (Mad Max was 1979, Mad Max 2, also known as the Road Warrior was 1981, Beyond Thunderdome with Tina Turner was 1985)
++Time for some silly++
The timing on that first train horn was PERFECT.
Ray: parking brake engaged, it's in drive... foot off of the break...
Train: HONK !!
Ray: We're not going anywhere !! Nice...
Troy, now knows how to escalate from hammer, to air hammer, to drill, and then back to air hammer! 😠
Everything, with sufficient mass, is a hammer. Clouds do not make good hammers.
Every lug nut I ever taken off was at least 150 foot-pounds tight. One was so tight I was holding onto the back fender while I jumped up and down on the lug wrench.
The single mom I was changing the flat for was astonished. I told her sometimes they don't like to come off, but that I like the challenge. I put her two kids to work helping me, and then complemented them for changing the flat. They went from crying because the flat prevented them from going to the beach, to proud they helped their mom! 🤗
I know the last time I found two women with a flat tire I offered to just change it, OR, show them how it was done, OR, Have them do it with me as muscle and teacher. It wound up about half way between the last two options as it was on the side of the Interstate. One thing I like about some of the European countries is that to get a DL you have to demonstrate some basic auto repairs. And, basic First Aid skills. Here, you are lucky if the driving side is taught well.
No worries Ray you’re a good mechanic and you’re showing him the right way. Ignore all the others.😊
I'm just at 17 minutes in. Let me tell you: you are the most eloquent teacher I've ever met. Thank you for this...
Ray,ray,ray....nothing wrong with showing Troy a better way to tackle a tough situation...been turning wrenches since I was nine and am not afraid to admit that I don't know everything and always appreciate learning a better way to do something...that side eye from Troy cracked me up...really enjoy the videos...glad the shop is doing well...much love to all of you from your buddy in rusty Ohio😊😊😊😊😊
Learning by example is most often the best way, learning by hard knocks is often expensive. Great job Ray
I agree with your showing Troy to do remove that stuck bolt. Hey that's kinda exactly why we watch your videos! We watch see you work out problems even if you do it over and over again, so we learn how not to! Great mentoring. You are creating another master mechanic in Troy!
Jedi master and student....
Your teaching techniques are top notch sir, keep up the good work!
Funny old world I was talking to my son about his new job and he said he learns better and things stick if he see's it done
Ray, no matter what you do, you will never please everybody. The internet is full of trolls with nothing better to do than criticize others.
In the UK what you call an "E Brake" we call a Hand-Brake and yes, it is used in rare instances where additional braking control is required or during "stunt" manouvers known as "handbrake turns" . Also, as far as I am aware, we also refer to an Electronic Brake as an "E-Brake".
Here in the United States we call it a parking brake. Yes we know it also can be used in an emergency should you have a total brake failure.
Most modern cars have an electrically actuated parking brake, with no brake handle to pull up, so this type is known as an “e-brake”. I know all about doing stunts and J-turns, I have owned Alfa Romeos, Fiats, Triumph and spun them around many times.
I used to do auto mechanical work back in the 1960s and a little into the 1970s. I like how you guys have so much better tools nowadays.
It’s so beautiful to see new parts on an old car ❤️.
An addage from medical school surgery rotations is "See one, do one, teach one". Equally applies to a LOT of other life experiences including automobile surgery. Well done!
We all learn by doing.
If our dad's didn't let us try on their cars we wouldn't have learned.
And Kudos to you Ray and another auto shop that gives a young man a chance .
These types of videos always make me glad I live in the desert
The number of drill bits I've broken off and the extractors I've had to re-drill out has taught me to let people help me as often as possible. If hey know an easier way or just how to escalate the violence like AvE. it is always appreciated.
The new Mad Max isn't Mad Max, but it's a Sad Max. There's a fine distinction between the two :D