Ireland's Brexit Trouble | Crossing The Line
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- As Brexit lays bare old animosities in Northern Ireland, Imran Garda investigates people’s changing attitudes to the peace and divisions between communities.
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Lets be honest, the conflict did not start in 1922, it started 800 years ago.
Finally an intelligent comment.
MrRyanmcmahon as a historian it’s technically true.
@@eoinociarain7986 try and tell that that to the British government...LOL
@Steef S people only talk about the atrocities that Hitler and Stalin did but no one talks about what the Allies did in WW2 especially about British India and how Churchhill let the masses die of starvation.
850*
Imagine someone claiming some of your garden for their own ....
Then calling you a terrorist for fighting for it back?
Well said
imagine someone doing it 800 years ago,and still having to sort it out in the 21st century
In the future it will be Mexico and the US for stealing chunks of land
look at israel. They bulldoze peoples homes and steal their land and refuse to allow them to travel or find work, and then are surprised rockets fall on their side. You've got to be kidding me.
Clearly uneducated you muppet. Antrim and Down were never in the plantation of Ireland, lastly catholics moved into the likes of Londonderry as part of the plantation themselves and the majority of ‘Irish Catholics’ moved north of the border after the partition of Ireland due to the lack of work in the ROI, go learn something before talking out your backside and how many millions of Irish benefited from British land grabs in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and USA? When are they giving their lands back to the natives?
Stones in glass houses.
Why don't Britain want to leave Ireland alone ?
It's not Imperial era anymore !
Because Britain does not want to look weak on the political world stage.
Because the majority of people in NI want to remain part of the UK
Britain don't want them that's the funny thing lol they just think they're British
NORTHERN IRELAND VOTED TO REMAIN IN UK BECAUSE WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER ECONOMY
And?
Im originally from Albania i lived in few countries in europe for short times ,last 17 years i live in Ireland and i wouldn't change with any other place, irish ppl are the best in europe im happy and proud to be Irish citizen and i would sacrifice everything for Ireland
Thank you brother we’re happy to have you🇮🇪
Thank you
Good to hear
@@Irishman0855el el israel
How many people here want a united Ireland 🇮🇪
@Jonah Mansel true 👍
There would be a few more, but they're in the pub, wasted...
A united, single Ireland makes sense if you ask this Irish American.
I see no need for there to be a seperate "Northern" Ireland.
Geographically speaking at least.
Its an island. And not a very powerfull one at that.
The last thing it needs is to be divided.
@@davecrupel2817 yes I totally agree
@@davecrupel2817 You are an Irish american and you are talking about divides on an Island lol Look at your own place It's not so pretty either with all the divides but they are there to stay, Ireland has been separated for years in many ways Look at it's history then come back with a more agreeable statement.
The irony of the two guys at the end, they want brexit because of a foreign people coming to their country and taking over....
Exactly they are foreign to Ireland
but they are now that part of ireland - all of where we currently are and its demographics are ironic.
Kingtiens it’s because the foreign people coming are making illegal immigrants from completely incompatible cultures.
@terry phidaheights you need to brush up on your history then Terry unless you like making deliberately false statements to provoke people?. The Irish fought and won independence from a much larger oppressive force - if their history proves anything its that they are nobodys lapdog.
Yes the EU bailed out Irish banks by lending money which then had to be repaid with interest. This doesnt mean that they owe the EU any allegiance, these banks made money off the Irish taxpayer, if anything they should resent europe for it. The truth of how they got in that position in the first place too is a little more nuanced than I suspect youd be willing to spend time to understand.
While your at it read a history book to find out where the British got their money, you could name almost any country in the world and find that the Brits had pillaged it at some time or another, India, the Americas, Africa, China, Canada even lowly Ireland. The Brits have also been bailed out on numerous occasions - read up on the Marshall Plan for example or the trade deficit the UK has been running for the last 30 consecutive years so lets not bring that into it. Doesnt make Britons any more favourable towards those countries so why should Ireland be perceived as such with Europe.
Yeah most people in Northern Ireland want to be British, its you ira and republican scumbags who are undemocratic and traitors to your fellow countrymen. You are just like the Islamists who are slowly taking over Europe.
I'm from Bulgaria i've been in England for last 8 years and use to live whit 2 irish guys in same house let me just say irish people are really nice people so enjoyable to spend the time with them good luck Ireland
then you were lucky as you see in this doc ,you are not really welcome in this racist country.
You are welcome Levent Abil ... countries aren't racist, only humans can make that jump from judging a person from what they are/do to what they look like. 95% of people are OK wherever you are (yes I made that up!).
thank you sir
@Jan Schlossar Actually, Wales voted for Brexit with just about the same percentage as England.
You know that from meeting just two !!! Can't say all are because you don't know all...
You think you are Bulgarian !!! Your Roman ancestors settled there !!!
You are the worst because you actually think that you are so called white even though majority of you have than light brown completion. and are so dam racist !!!! But weren't even considered such by the ones who claimed to be Aryan
Brainwashed Dickheads !!!
Love it when foreigners talk to unionists expecting an intelligent conversation lol
As an EU citizen, I don't understand why the Unionists voted to leave. If they wanted to remain within the UK, their best bet was to vote remain. That should've been bloody obvious.
Northern Ireland voted against Brexit, I assume that included Unionists. Unfortunately they were outvoted by mainland Brits
i love it when foreigners talk to the ira when they try to justify blowing up women and children
I'm a Yorkshireman first and Englishman second. If a invading country occupied my home land you can bet your kids future on the rest of my life would be spent fighting them have no doubt about that. But Ireland is like no other situation i can think of. My parents were both Catholic and prod. I have family in both north and south of Ireland. And nowing there passion only scares me. I love Ireland and pray for her. If I had one wish in life it would spent in Ireland
If England want's out of the EU then they should get out of Ireland to
Tiocfaidh ár lá ✊💚🍀
Tiocfaidh ár lá
@TheDukeV /
Dead language
Parl Kilkington and not forgetting Sinn Fein wanted the Irish language act voted in...factories closing,job loses,and they bicker over nonsense that only a small minority are remotely interested in
any wonder the Government in NI got shut down.
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It's easy for people to look at this side ways but as a Kenyan who's grandparents fought for independence from Britain I would say there is pride in that. Yet as citizen of the world I am more interested in needs and wants for the people....thus the main determining factor should be a referendum (uncompromised) of the people who live there now.
Then what? The rest leave? Or as always, the wealthy move and the poor is left back fighting to their last tooth. Who gains on that? (trick question, it's those who moved that kept their local stock options and hedge funds, because the £ is worth the same in GB, and 5 years later things are "booming" again)
Why would a people choose to live in a place they aren’t welcome? It’s not their country.
Good documentary. Well balanced, not judgemental.
I don't think someone British or Irish could have done it. It had to be someone from another country.
I want a United Ireland...
I want a billion dollars
"There'll be no Irish dancing round here" made me laugh.
8:33 AAAH MY EARS 8:37 AAAH MY EYES IT HURTS
I am American. I took a trip to Ireland. The Irish people were the nicest people I had ever met.
@Oliver Mayo Not to my knowledge.
I agree with you. Im Filipino who lived years in uk but when we migrate to Ireland we saw big difference. Theyre the nicest people on earth. I love Irish.
Jonah Mansel why, stayed there for a one and an half months and never had any problems
Don't listen to Oliver Mayo and Jonah Mansel. Chances are they are Just British Nationalists with a very distorted view on actual History. Thankfully these idiots are few and far between. I'm glad you enjoyed your stay!
yea jonah mansel we'll buck ya
If they are British what are they doing in Ireland ?
Last time I looked the Irish in America were happy to be part of the USA politically.
The American natives are in the USA, not in Britain or in Ireland politically.
The Irish natives are still partly in Britain politically.
Undoing the destruction any empire causes is extremely difficult to impossible. Prevention is better than cure. Empires rope others in to fight their battles and set up enmities between groups who would otherwise get along. As they are the ones who write the majority of histories they become
‘Alexander the Great’ rather than ‘Alex the B.....d’.
If Norfolk was taken over and planted by the Norsemen and was politically part of Norway the English would be okay with that, good.
‘The Saxons lost and we integrated ..’ , that’s the point, the colonists in Northern Ireland refuse to integrate. It was set up that way.
Norfolk people may have a lot of Viking blood but Norfolk is not ruled by a Parliament in Oslo.
FFS. The rest of the world must think we’re pure insane.
Look around; the whole world is insane.
Nah , rest of the world loves you. God bless Ireland !
@keirfree senior Everyone becomes Irish on St Patty's day except the Irish who look at all the morons claiming to be Irish. I hate Guinness and my Grandad would be rolling in his grave at that comment.
Iain O'Carraigne it’s Saint Paddy’s day after St Patrick’s day not Patty
@@katelynm6280 You're no rocket scientist are ya? No D in Patrick. Can be pronounced Patty's, Paddy's or a day for drinking green beer. I have been hearing about it all my life as my Mum wouldn't let me leave the house without a bit of green on.
this makes me so sad for my home country, I'm so glad I live in NZ now where nobody asks your school, football team or even name with the ulterior motive of working out what "side" you're on.
I am Polish, i'v been in Belfast 4 years and i absolutely love this place and the people.
great
@Marry Christmas easier to learn english... it's more useful internationally, but it's worth learn a thing or two, if it can be use, as in Ireland... Much like I'd advise anyone who moves to Wales to learn a little welsh. But I wouldn't hold it against them if they didn't, or didn't get it right.
@@robertwlester I was a fan of Jerry Anderson 's radio show
“Pog Mo Thoin”.
U love the welfare
GOD Bless Ireland give them Harmony /safety &Piece
Not to worry, politicians on all sides will surely find the worst possible solution.
The truth is that those who had the least to gain were the one's who sacrificed the most. Even today if you go through Northern Ireland you'll see flags flying in working class areas but not in middle class areas or indeed the wealthier parts of Northern Ireland. It's the working class who always pay the price for the greed of others.
Someone better tell The Wolfe Tones that retirement is going to have to wait.
Who’s that?
@easy eevee hey do you know my mom
That made me laugh so hard
Crimson Halo definitely,,op aanvraag up the RA!!british out,honour to HH81, TAL32,,
If Wolfe Tone had any desendents, this would be a good plot for an action movie.
how could you be a loyalist? Stockholm syndrome?
NOBODY LIKES THEM, EVEN THE ENGLISH
exactly
Lol, yeah. There whole being is defined by celebrating Britishness and the actual Brits couldn't give a toss about them.
No, it's more complicated than that. The loyalists are mostly Protestants who descend from English and Scottish settlers who came to work plantations during the 1600s. They were British back then and their descendents have never lost that identity. The Catholic Irish, who are natives, feel they have been displaced by those settlers, and in fairness they were. Land was confiscated from them and they were barred from political institutions for centuries. This is ultimately where the divide originates from.
There are also some native Catholic Irish who are loyalists for pragmatic reasons, namely they worry a major political change such as Irish unification would result in economic problems, civil unrest or even a civil war. And there are some who don't see being Irish and British as being contradictory, much like you can be English and British or Scottish and British. But most Catholic Irish are Republicans.
The north didn't fight to stay with the UK, the north fought for its sovereignty as the north. Ireland has never been 'one nation' - in fact this is the smallest it has ever been. It'd be like forcing Wales to become part of England, or England to become part of Scotland. The problem is - communist subversives have ALWAYS been behind this war. They wanted the south to take the north and the country to become a people's republic of socialist states. They still do. Just now they don't have the USSR slipping them RPG7's and AK's to murder people with. They just have the communists in media and in the EU pushing the same brotherwars.
To the Protestants and Catholics who read this, who just wants a long lasting peace no matter the outcome?
I do. I don't really care what happens as long as it's peaceful
Ireland is for the Irish. The whole island is Irish. Iwant peace but i cant excuse what they have done to my family and hundreds of others. I dont even live in the north yet they've still murdered my family members
@@Lee-gc9tn I understand and agree with your views. However, there are people out there who hate the Northern Irish for something that our ancestors did. They hate us, even though we're innocent. It is the politicians and the people of the plantations that they should be angry about. I hope you're not one of these people.
@@Lee-gc9tn Same here, and I never want the conflict to re happen, but until the north reunites. Belfast police officers will continue to get murdered and people will still be getting shot in the knees.
I want peace, I have never experianced the troubles and I don't want to go back. People need to stop airing sectarian parties and glorifying violance as a political tool. The best hope is integrated education but both sides reject that.
Free Ireland. We stand for you!!
I've been enormously impressed by how people from various communities in Northern Ireland advocate for peace and inclusion, which is a message that the whole World needs to hear.
I would love to have seen young people being interviewed in this video. It certainly made it appear as though part of the older generation has hung onto the old hate.
Nope, just passing down the truth to us. Tiocfaidh ar la
Lucky guy to find such a helpful and intelligent cab driver to explain all of these!
Thank for enlighten me about this issue in UK as a British citizen I wasnt aware how bad the circumstances for Irish people as I do love them and admire there culture.
This was good journalism unbiased and informative
independent Ireland and Scotland would be awesome
Awesome for England you mean.
You really don't get the absurdity of these walls
From Palestine to Ireland to Mexico
These walls are a joke
Ms 13 Hamas ira boo be afraid
Here's an idea
Dont suck at getting guns away from gangs and terrorists
Simply can't wait for the hard border between Scotland and England .
That will solve everything!
If I remember my history correctly the English actively sought to deport the native Irish to the America's and resettle as many English as possible on Irish land. I can understand the animosity.
Yeah, they also deported English men for being Catholic and non-conformist it all comes down to religion, Sooner or later inner cities will try for an Independent Muslim state.
IronMarmot. England starved the Irish while they pillaged their potatoes meat and shipped it
to England. When that was not enough they shipped them off to Canada in 'coffin ships'.
The history of the truth is most disturbing.
@@mariecameron1644 1) The potato famine was caused by blight and an explosion in the Irish population leading up to it - famines were common in Europe up until the mid 1800's. What made this one worse was how dependent the populace was on the one food worst affected, and the misinformation when it started. The English Parliament were not really told how bad the situation was until it was far too late. Local landowners are as much to blame as 'The English'. It was not - as you implied - something engineered by the English.
2) Coffin ships were used by everyone until laws brought in towards the end of the 1800's. The # 1 cause of death for British people in the 1800's was drowning. To imply that coffin ships were just something the British used for the Irish is also flat out wrong.
You are talking about time periods when life was brutal and short, and life was treated much more cheaply. You seem to want to label that as 'The English', but in reality that's 'The Past'. The life-expectancy for working class men in London in the late 1800's was... 21.
@@TheNightBadger it was not a famine, the Irish prefer the term The Great Hunger. You are right that The Great Hunger was initially caused by a potato blight, no argument there. But...after the crop failure the English took all the food out of Ireland by the shipload. The records (English records I might add) speak for themselves. Therefore, this was clearly passive genocide.
@@cooldaddy2877 _"it was not a famine, the Irish prefer the term The Great Hunger. You are right that The Great Hunger was initially caused by a potato blight, no argument there. But...after the crop failure the English took all the food out of Ireland by the shipload."_
And wasn't that at least partly due to the local landlords hiding the extent of the famine from them for some time _combined_ with a general indifference to the Irish from the ruling classes at the time?
_"The records (English records I might add) speak for themselves. Therefore, this was clearly passive genocide."_
There's no such thing as a 'passive genocide' - you are either trying to exterminate someone or you aren't. And there are plenty of English records that also support the idea nobody knew how bad it was (specifically for the poor Irish), and by the time they did both the public and the Politicians bent over backwards trying to fix it, but it was far far too late, and many of the things they did were simply insufficient. What is that saying? 'Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to negligence'? Something like that. Were there people who saw this famine as some kind of providential way of sorting out those pesky Irish - definitely - but they were not the majority, and the decisions made were almost entirely well-intentioned. However, the fact that food was sent out of Ireland during the famine is something that should never have happened. The ports should have been closed until people were fed. But he ruling class of the UK (and by default Ireland) had never really cared for anyone but itself, and it would take many many reformations and movements to make them. Even the Chartists - looking for suffrage for working people, were mostly executed and transported, and that was just a couple of decades before the famine.
God Bless Ireland, mother of brave men, love and grattitude from México
@soflo23 Tiny difference between fleeing and invading.
@@doubtfuldonkey1 Family story I have heard since I was a kid was an ancestor of ours was a priest who was hung on a hill at Edenderry, only since the internet have I bothered to look it up and there was a Father Mogue Kearns who was an Irish patriot that got hung after the 1798 rebellion. When I showed my Dad who was in his 80's he said yes that was him. Who knows for sure as I cant trace my family further back than Hugh Kearns who arrived with his family in 1869 to Australia. Could be my ancestors claimed lineage because he was a hero to the Irish, if he was a Catholic Priest he shouldn't be having kids, who knows?
México home of the wall jumper
If you think bombing kids and innocent people for three decades is brave, then you're an idiot.
The Brits can't have it both ways
@soflo23 The Brits can have it both ways like a pornstar.
The Brits were literally told by Brexiteers that they could have their cake and eat it too.
When you remove your dreams from anything realistic, you wind up with a lot of people - and a lot of political pressure - invested in an impossible outcome.
jozzerful2 like wanting independence but keeping the pound like the jocks wanted?
Some nationalists want their cake and eat it too
"They took me to an undisclosed location" *shows flag of Monaghan*. Boy I wonder where they could be?
Llf that's them dissidents don't have a clue
Irish have suffered long among all european nations.They ve tragic as well as outstandingly proud history.
Yeah they have
England/UK yeah. France no, Spain no, Dutch indirect but still no. I think Ireland wasn't a victim Europe, but UK
@John Brighton Ireland wasn't involved in that. We had one German bomber bomb Dublin to which I'm pretty sure the Germans apologized for.
@Straight White British Protestant The was no famine in Ireland. It was a campain of genocide by the British army from 1845 to 1852.
@Straight White British Protestant Well that's just plain delusion on your part, history says so.
The cab driver should be a tour guide he has so much Knowledge and has a easy way of explaining how gucked our past is
Small correction to TRT World, Great Britain is the Island of England, Scotland, and Wales, so Ireland never left Great Britain, they left the United Kingdom, small but truth bearing correction.
You said Derry not London Derry , brilliant my man
Derry city is the name of our football team Our airport is call city of Derry airport best thing on tv is called Derry girls
and even the prods have the apprentice boys of Derry it is Derry and always will be
The first six letters in Londonderry are silent.
@@veovis523
its Derry always will be Derry it was Derry before the Brits came here
And it will be Derry when they go
Colm Phillips Who actually cares man. Wtf
@@perspii2808 no one
3:37 The reason it goes back 400 years and why that is so relevant is because thats when Scottish and English colonists came and settled particularly in the north - not by coincidence, the border of Northern Ireland was drawn around the most densley colonised part of Ulster. Hence pro-British loyalists in Northern Ireland hold a majority in a "democracy".
You think 1916 was democratic? Or the Republic wasn't built on the blood of its own brothers only in the 1920s? 400 Years ago Ulster was seen as the backwash and the Pale was central to British rule in Ireland. After 400 years you would think we could live here in peace as the majority of us don't wish harm on our Irish counterparts.
@Straight White British Protestant lol don't be so sure of yourself, it's only a matter of time. Tiochaidh ár lá.
They ran to Ireland from invasion 😁
@Straight White British Protestant if that was right why is there a good Friday agreement and now more irish live in northan Ireland 😁
@Straight White British Protestant Usual mantra? In 1921 we were 1/3rd of the northern population, now we're just under half. Can you not do math? Even within your rigged system, in time, we'll win the referendum.
3:29 The country did not declare independance from GB in 1922. Rather it was just after unanamous result of the 1918, 32 county Election , the result of that election automaticaly established independance by the will of the Irish people in the 32 counties. The Sovereign constitution 1919 (AD) was promulgated at the first sitting of Dáil Éireann on 21st January 1919 at 12 noon in the Mansion House, Dublin, where the inalianable soverenty of the all Irish individuals was recognised by Dáil Éireann. An english apartheid system of Partition was later imposed on 3 May 1921 on a sovereign Irish people and remains to this day,, the idea of the people of a country being recognised by their government as individual, sovereign and above government was thorn in the side of the English King and his relitives,. The English royal family's Russian relitives had all been executed in (1918) this event was still at the forefront of their minds.
That is a FANTASY ... the Republic could not militarily hold the Protestant areas of the North in 1922 .... EVEN if the all other Brit Govt had left. Hence the Germans arms shipped them guns in 1913 .....That is just a fact .... As is the fact they are Ulster Scots.. and not English ... TRUE the actual mainland British Got wanted our of NI back in 22 ...
Troubles did not start till 68, when standing up for their Civil rights .. NI catholics were attacked by the UVF
FACt is now acknowled that the IRA co operated with the British Army in their inteial deployement to protect the Nationalist ...
Both sides then sruffed it up
@@foraustralia2558 LMAO, the Provisional IRA didnt exist when the Brits first came to NI before troubles really kicked off. You're taking about the official IRA, completely different organisation which were remnants of the IRA that kicked the Brits out of the 26 counties or what is now Ireland (republic).
So before you start going on the internet using CAPITAL LETTERS to try highlight you know what you're talking about, do a bit of research first.
Im WELL aware of the difference thank you.... The point being that protecting the catholic areas should have been their mission....expanding it was an own goal that end in failure ...
It was the Unionist percicutioen that was the issue..the Brits were an unlikely ally .. but it was working
Both sides ( Brits & nationalist ) stuffed it up & the winners were the Unionist
(NO they didn't kick the Brits out..that was the Pro treaty IRA primarily ... the Anti Treaty IRA you are talking about played the minor role) @@RazorMouth
@@foraustralia2558 huh? It was the IRA that dragged the Brits to a truce in 1921. Pro treaty IRA? No such thing. You're thinking of the National army vs the anti treaty IRA in the civil war after the Brits left. 🙄
Seriously pal, stop talking.
An awesome coverage of the issues related to Brexit vis-a-vis British and the Irish.
Make Ireland reunited! 🇮🇪💚🧡🍀
Ireland has only ever been united under the umbrella of British civilisation. Think on.
True.A united ireland d be a great ideam
Id vote against a united Ireland
British civilization...12 pints of lager and a donna...my arse
I agree and get us all out of the EU.
Simple, give northern Ireland back to the Irish.
Straight White British Protestant Serious question. If you are born in ireland to parents born in Ireland How can you be British?
Northern Ireland is not a part of Great Briton. It is part of the nation state of the UK. The UK is the United Kingdom of GB and NI (previously GB and Ireland).
Before the Rep of Ireland gained independence and NI was partitioned all people born in Ireland were Irish citizens of the UK. What makes people born in NI British now ? serious question.
I think you’re ignoring a huge issue: Northern Ireland has a majority who are Unionist and want to stay in the UK. So sorry, it’s not that simple.
The better solution is for all of Ireland to come back to the UK but why would the UK want to have to deal with that mess for no benefit except for the Irish?
aldinssmoke No it would absolutely not be. The people living in the Republic of Ireland do not want to be a part of the UK and they have their right to be an independent country, to have self-determination. The best solution would be to just hold a referendum on NI’s status, asking wether they want to remain a part of the UK or join the Republic of Ireland. A vote in the Republic would also be required asking if they want to be unified because it impacts them too. Then, if they vote for unification Ireland is unified entirely peacefully. If NI votes to remain in the UK (no matter how the ROI vote) they have that right also and no longer can anybody justifiably accuse it of being “occupied”. The question will be answered for now, and a new vote can be held in another say,25 years.
If wither the PIRA or the Real IRA or the UVF take up arms again after that then they will have absolutely zero justification (not that they’ve ever really had much anyway) for their actions, it will be clear that they don’t care about the people of Ireland or the people of Ulster, they will expose themselves to be nothing but violent, insane thugs looking for an excuse to kill.
Back to the Irish? It's not theirs and nor is NI the UK's either, it is already and independent country in a union.
I love hearing Jeffrey Donaldson talking about “modern technology” that can allow authorities to know what’s inside a truck without opening it up. What a wonderful fantasy!
This was a wonderful documentary. Well done Imran
5:51
Omg .........
I never knew of these walls
These were constructed around same time as Berlin Wall......Yet we know so little about it
Shocking ...😮
I'm from the US and until I watched this video I can say I didn't know very much about this and honestly thought this was put to rest long ago. I watch a lot of history from around the world. Somehow I have not seen or read anything about this conflict in years. Now with Brexit happening, not knowing or understanding what this was all about. I wanted to know more. I can't say if this video is onesided because of how little I know at this time. Will be learning more. This might just be me being an American or my lack of understanding of the issues. But from what I just watched and know at this point, feels pretty simple to me. If I'm seeing this right, this is Ireland, with or without the border. That tells me it's not England. So Ireland is being occupied. The British want the northern part of Ireland, they lived there and have for years. To me, that does not make it theirs. It's Ireland, regardless of how long families have lived their, its Ireland. Because of that, you live by Ireland's rule, it is Ireland, not England. So simple, live by their law Ireland's or move to England. I can't find a reason for any country, including my own, to force you laws and or be an occupier of another country. It's wrong on so many levels. I don't agree with the US doing and I sure as hell would not agree with this.
While I agree with you ideologically there’s a certain amount of reality that needs to be taken into account.
If your family have lived somewhere for hundreds of years then you deserve a say in the politics of the area. It’s an Israel Palestine issue with no easy answers.
You can understand why the emotion consistently boils over into militancy.
@bartalbone4348 The Protestant People have every right to live in Ireland as Irish Protestants just like in the rest of the Island.
But, not in the manner they have been behaving since the Artificial Statelet was forcibly set up, against the Wishes of the Island People.
Republicanism United Irelanders came about from Protestant People like WolfTone, Henry Joy, etc etc,
So it's not about religion.
@@georgebrowne5935 I was very careful to not mention religion.
I agree with you. However it doesn’t change some ideological and identity realities that need to be factored in.
@bartalbone4348 Every other documentary usually throw in the religious divide, which is pure nonsense
Unless we admit the Truth, we are doomed to repeat the Past.
Colonisation of Ireland was wrong, just like Russia in Ukraine today.
It is a ridiculous situation, you can be Irish or British in the Six Counties on the Island of Ireland, so long as Westminster continues to Rule over you.
Colonisation has never worked out in history, you are either loyal to the Land you are born on, or not?
You can't bring your Country with you, if you emigrate to Ireland, or any other part of the World.
Crazy idea.
When in Rome,......
give it back to Ireland simple. im 32 grew up during the 90's when the trouble's were starting to end, but now days threw politics its getting closer to seen a united Ireland in my life time it will happen.
I like Irish people 😎
Respect for Irish but Turkish TRT why you don't talk about Kurdish in your country you take they're lend for more than 100 years you always talk about the world and you never talk about your country or that people in your country
biji kurdistan
It shouldn't be a surprise. Turkey has no free speech. Hell, they even banned wikipedia.
haha stealing their land ? They never got any land. Don't talk anything you don't know. And dont talk with western media told you but never show real documents ..
@@denizartpage yes I know 100% they stealing Land from Kurdish
@@kurdishkurdistani9173 haha go believe your dreams...
This is classic British divide and rule politics. They have done the same in South Asia and Middle East.
Would you rather they tried to make them British?
And in Africa. This time, it will get to them!!
maybe a hundred years ago but not now times have changed
but it is British now - the people are too.
@@alexcarney4811 why support the imperial wishes of upper class top hat wearing English toffs? Only in Scotland and Ireland do traitors call themselves 'loyal' ... wake up fella.
Being part Irish and also part English, this is a very difficult question. Can't all people of these islands live together peacefully, let the people who live in ni decide what they want. I am also Catholic so living in the UK so I see no issues with it here. It is the United Kingdom of multiple people's, can't we all just live together instead of trying to blow each other up
Republicanism has nothing to do with being catholic.
That just shows a complete lack of knowledge of the history, there's a massive correlation for a reason
A European was traveling through Ireland. He was stopped by a police officer.
The officer asked the European: "Catholic, or Protestant?"
The European replied: "I'm sorry officer, and I have no desire to offend, but I am an atheist."
The office paused for a moment. "Catholic atheist, or Protestant atheist?"
All the British I have spoken to make fun at the crazy "Protestants" of Northern Ireland. If the Unionist would visit England they would realize they are considered there as foreign. And weird.
Let's be honest whether they're Protestant or Catholic from the north or south in England they would be considered Irish. The problem Northern Ireland has got is that it is loyal to a state that doesn't give a crap. I bet as far as the majority of the UK are concerned if the EU want to hang on to Northern Ireland then they are welcome to it.
BOBBY, YER TALKIN BOLLIX WI LAD,
Unionists/Loyalists have their own ''culture'', they think they're British but they have little in common with people actually from Britain. They're nationality is actually ''Not Irish''.
Scott Conner You don't speak for all British people. Look at the recent polls and the number of people who would be happy to lose NI to get Brexit.
Donald -last time you looked must have been 6 or 7 years ago ,Ireland has the fastest growing economy in the EU , and a higher standard of living than the UK let alone NI ( national debt as a proportion od GDP is projected to drop below the level in the UK in 2 years )
For a Turkish "news story" aimed at people who don't know much about Ireland, this is fair enough but for anybody with knowledge, it is far too simplistic. Whatever the current state of affairs over Brexit, the harsh reality is that having passed the generation of politicians that lived through the "Troubles" such as McGuiness and Paisley, we now have untested leadership on both the Unionist and Republican sides neither of whom seem to know what they are doing as the non functioning Stormont for almost 2 years testifies to. More dangerously after 20 years of relative peace, there is a whole generation that have grown up not realising or experiencing "what it was like" back in the day.
The current nonsense over Brexit is a case in point. All the pious talk is about the Good Friday Agreement (GFA) but that is not what it is about, the real issue concerns the EU protecting the "integrity" of the Single Market and in this context, the vast majority of exports to the EU from the Republic go via the "UK land bridge" - lorries get on a ferry from Ireland to the UK, drive across the UK to another ferry port on the East/South coast of England and get on another ferry to the Continent, the reverse is also true.
For the almost 100 years since the division of Ireland there has been a Common Travel Area between the UK and the Republic, you never needed a passport to cross between the two, the UK has no interest in there being a hard border between North and South but the EU does and may force the Republic to impose one. There is one final issue concerning the reunification of Ireland that people need to understand which is that economically, it would harm the Republic and the vast majority of Southern Irish voters wouldn't want it because of that.
The reason for this is the way UK taxation works. The vast majority of taxes are collected centrally and then distributed via a bloc grant system the length and breadth of the UK on a formula designed to achieve parity of outcomes in areas such as health, education, policing etc, local taxes raise less than 10% of what is spent locally, over 90% comes from Central (UK) Government. It is an oddity of this that the smaller the population, the higher this central grant tends to be so Scotland with a population of 5 million gets more per head than England where over 80% of the population and tax base live. With a population of 2 million, Northern Ireland recieves the highest amount of bloc grant support per head of population of the whole of the UK. So leaving all the totem poles and flag waving to one side, Nationalist or Unionist, not being part of the UK would carry heavy financial costs at the personal level, it is this key issue that the SNP in Scotland never talks about either, like Sinn Fein they would rather wave flags than deal with reality.
Thank you, good logical analysis without getting emotional.
Follow the money.
@Jan Schlossar Not sure where you are coming from here, "protect its territory"...hmm presumably you do not mean in a military sense. As all trade deals are not about tarrifs thesedays, unless you are Donald Trump, and a sovereign UK would be its own single market, policing "standards" on products and services within the UK will be a normal activity and agencies already exist for this, currently ensuring compliance with EU rules.
As to a hard border between the Republic and Northern Ireland, on a practical level for almost 100 years since the establishment of the Republic there has been a "Common Travel Area", a British Isles version of Shengen if you like. From a military perspective, without tight cooperation between the Republic and the UK, policing that rambling border is impossible, look it up on a map so neither of us are up to putting in a hard border. Which brings us to the crux of the matter, it is the EU who wish and are determined to "Protect the Integrity of the Single Market" it will therefore be the EU that will insist on a hard border not the UK, a spokesman in Brussels said so just yesterday.
@Jan Schlossar It's not me playing with words it is simply the way it is, in other words hard facts. Allow me to help you out here with an example:
The UK post Brexit could declare "tarrif free trade" but it is the non tarrif rules that actually matter. The UK would need to 'police' the resulting imported products to ensure public safety and compliance with "standards" which for now and into the immediate future would be "EU Standards". The difference concerns the UK exporting products to other countries, do these exports comply with the "local standards" of that country ?
Looked at in this way, the EU has made a total mess of the Brexit negotiations because the starting point is that both the UK and the EU are currently mutually compliant with the same rule book, but for stupidity, this could have been wrapped up some time ago.
where did you find the old clips of the troubles im interested in watching them
I hope one day Ireland will be united, greetings from yemen 🇾🇪♥️🇮🇪
you should watch this documentary again. It seems you missed SOOOOOOO much from it!
Thank you ❤️ all of Ireland are praying for Yemen
So do I, united once again under British rule!
@@geoffduke1763 Almost every SINGLE political problem and division can be traced back directly to the EVIL British Empire , The Division of India, the creation of Israel and Palestine issue , the divisions in Africa , The Irish issues . The British deliberately created these issues with their ''divide and rule '' policy , I am for one ECSTATIC to see the UK destroying itself with Brexit , their Divide and Rule policy has now divided British society completely , the chickens are coming home to roost
Bravo to my Irish brothers and sisters..
For killing their own family up north, blowing up innocent civilians on the streets on purpose including kids, yea...
@@ome69 'killing their own family'?
@@eoinenglish7659 I believe he is referring to the well known fact that the IRA killed more catholics than the loyalists
@@seanocuinn6031 source please
@james walsh It's a well known fact, that's why he doesn't need any source. You know, like how the Earth is flat and Gravity is actually Donkeys... somehow.
it doesn't matter how you spin it, if you target unarmed people you are a terrorist, not a freedom fighter.
charles townsend so we are terrorists living in a terrorists uk. List of victims to many to list.
Like the Royal Army?
So when the british commited multiple Bloody Sundays?
Prophet makes a good point, it’s just too simplified. The Bloody Sunday attacks were just atrocities. Vile atrocities. But the IRA cannot justify their terrorist attacks anymore than the British Army or the UVF can.
But tell me, were the Warrington children who died in a petrol station bomb in England set off by the IRA responsible for those atrocities?
They died in response to actions they had no control over.
Children were also killed by the British Army, which is equally abhorrent. I think we should investigate and prosecute many British soldiers for their actions in NI, but equally we should be prosecuting former IRA members.
@@kl-zl9cp except the "freedom fighters" didn't do it by accident, that's the point i'm making, they willingly attacked unarmed and innocent people and at that point they crossed the line into terrorism (if that's not where you draw the line please tell me where it should be drawn). also i'm not really a fan of any military including the US (who have kill over 200 million innocent people post WW2 in their idiotic conflicts) and UK (the UK has probaly only fought three justifible wars in the last 500 years and one of those is debatable).
I realize the intent was a paint by numbers, cursory history of the Troubles aimed at the uninitiated, but the host's question, "Occupied by whom?" was second only to his surprise at the answer. Whip-smart that one.
Will humans ever learn? Carl Sagan once gave a great talk on the "Pale Blue Dot," also known as planet Earth. We are just a spec of dust in a unimaginable vast universe, yet we plant bombs in the name of some unseen entity
Unfortunately they wont. We are intent on self destruction
Al these documentaries fail to mention the initial cause. in 1918, 78% of the people of Ireland voted for independence, the 22% of Loyalists, who were born here and had lived here for hundreds of years but still did not regard themselves as "Irish", mainly in 6 of the 9 counties of the province of Ulster threatened "Terrorism" if the were "forced" to accept the rule of Democracy, so the state of N.Ireland was formed. However, even getting their way with the threat of violence was not enough, the rode roughshod over the indiginous/nationalist/catholic population in an apartheid state, denying them work, housing and in turn the right to vote, freedom to express thier "Irishness" in an extreme manner, very much like the White South African government treated the Blacks. The "Troubles" began when, Rev. Ian Paisley led a march to the catholic/Nationalist Falls Road , to remove an Irish Tricolour flag from the window of a Sinn Fein office, and the Marchers began ethnic cleansing by burning catholic homes (Nationalist or Not), on their way back to the Shankhill Road. The first Police man shot, was shot on the shankhill road by the U.V.F, a loyalist paramilitary Terrorist organization, the same organization that threatened violence if the Democratic Result of the 1918 election was upheld. Again in Brexit, 65% of the people in Northern Ireland wish to remain in the European Union, however, the 51.9% of the United Kingdom who voted to leave the EU, after a campaign based on lies and misinformation must be respected, because that is Democracy?? Can someone please explain "Democracy" to me? I don't get it, I must be stupid, being Irish and all!!
This is a lot more complex than religion. The root issue is land.
Is there any country on the planet that actually likes the Brits, let alone the English? Wherever I go abroad, Britain does not have a good name...
german here, they used to have a rather good reputation around here, what with their help in ww2 and the berlin airlift and so on... but they kinda wasted that over the last few decades...
And do we care hell no
And we dont care
Only in the countries that matter. The ones in the anglosphere, and that's all we care about.
Na just the English welsh scots are nothing like the English
Irish people fighting for freedom just like Kurds in Turkey
not true the Irish represent the Palestinians too well. when Palestin is free the Irish people are always welcome there
Ιra had also Communist values....and Attacking other Kurds...do you have any reliable data for this?
it's worse for the Kurds because they're getting attacked when they aren't even in Turkey.
I'm Kurdish I will day for Turkey it's best county in the world love turkiye
@@cumaliararat3389 best? not by a long shot LOL
Somebody's been busy stirring up old troubles across the globe. Poking people with a figurative stick, instigating animosities.
Well good and evil, right and wrong. Both existed before us.
@@johntunney1864 And they will after as well, doesn't mean we have to buy into the crap. It's sad.
@@richarddaz8476 War for profit, deceptive destabilizations, and subjugation of civilian populations is not a tolerable nor a sustainable state. Things must change.
The True I agree 100%. I'm sick of the b.s..
I watched a really great documentary recently called "Europa". Its a 10 part series that I wish everyone in the world could watch because it tells of true history and explains why the world is the way it is currently. Its on yt.
Please watch it and share with others that you trust wont report it.
Its well worth watching all 10 parts.
We've all been lied to so much about history and everybody should be aware of the deception.
The north didn't fight to stay with the UK, the north fought for its sovereignty as the north. Ireland has never been 'one nation' - in fact this is the smallest it has ever been. It'd be like forcing Wales to become part of England, or England to become part of Scotland. The problem is - communist subversives have ALWAYS been behind this war. They wanted the south to take the north and the country to become a people's republic of socialist states. They still do. Just now they don't have the USSR slipping them RPG7's and AK's to murder people with. They just have the communists in media and in the EU pushing the same brotherwars.
There were these students that came to Donegal from Derry and told the House woman that “they had never been to Ireland before” “the grass was greener and the water tasted different”
Get the British out
Go for EU tyranny and accept the muslim instead.
British occupation is bad
I don't understand why Irish people hate Irish people. Just accuse they live in the North part of a Union they must die? Why? What has Irish people who call themselves British deserve to die? To kill each other because of different ideals. Jealousy?
Eventually they'll leave.
Thanks to Britexist.
are you in northern ireland by any chance
1922 was not the independence of Ireland.
1949 was the independence of Ireland.
1922 was the signing of the treaty which then Ireland was called the Irish Free State and so the Irish Civil War began.
Next time actually educate yourself on Irish history instead of embarrassing yourself and spreading the wrong facts, no wonder fake news exists.
It was not the start of de jure independence but it was of de facto independence. The Irish Free State was still a dominion of the British Empire, but it was self-governing in terms of law and in control of its foreign policy. This is why it did not get involved in WW2. It was in all meaningful ways independent at that time.
True. Ireland was not granted independence in 1922. It was partitioned to keep the loyalists happy.
As an Indian , the British empire has deep historical roots, they've always at the heart of hate and greed.
Really . ? At time of Partition it was Indians who massacred Muslims - not the British !! Idiot !
OMG those British are pain in the as$ for almost every nation in this world!!!
We gave the world everything, law & order, language, culture, civilisation.
Long Live one Ireland , a United Ireland . Britain has no business whatsoever in the north .
stalin1909 Ireland has never been united and never will. If Ireland want to try and take Ulster then they will be crushed . Ireland’s population is only 4 million and their airforce is made up of ww2 planes 😂.
@Daisy Girl If you want to be part of an Irish Republic then go down south nobody will miss you.
WRONG....Ireland's population as of 2018 is bang on 5 million and rapidly growing. You cant even get that right for a start. Compared to a teeny tiny Northern Ireland that has 1.8 million, and half of that are Irish people, and 30 -40 % of that 1.8million are 60 plus years old which are from the unionist side of things. So go and get your facts right before you start to lecture people here.
tom 95
it doesn’t even matter . italy wasn’t united 150 years ago, And earlier spain was fragmented.did u ever look at the map of europe throughout the years , go a head and google it . I hope Brexit brings the UK to its knees , and teaches those idiots who think they’re far better than the rest of europe . The English empire was pure Evil , and the current UK seems to like that heritage .
Free N Ireland , one Ireland .
stalin1909 shame you’ll never be united because your country is a failure.
He wants out but no hard border? Cherry picking are you?
the people of irland dont want a hard bnorder tell the EU no you wi;ll not have one us british hjave said we will not enforce one only the fourth reich will do that por force the irish to do so
God I wish the Remain campaign had been better. The problem would never have arisen.
@Russian Bot I do understand that but Ireland is in the EU N.Ireland not. Times have changed and Britain can't cherry pick all the time. If Britain can do it why not other members?
@Russian Bot Wto require hard border. morover every deal outside the trade bloc but with the trade bloc under WTO require border. learn you facts.
Absolutely love how you didn't engage in siding with one or the other, we need more reporters like you man! 👊🏻
Listening to it all I have reached the conclusion that some people do not deserve a vote on anything.
There are a few inconsistencies in this video. UDA and UFF are effectively the same paramilitary group, although he makes out that they're not. It also seems like there is only one Unionist party in N.I., by his wording. Again, obviously very much incorrect...
Sounds like eu scare tactics.
bob Gray sounds like you just don’t want to listen!
Without a united Ireland ..the previous conflicts would be a waste.
Any time I see Gerry Adams all I can think about is “can ya HEAR ME!”😂😂
Oh God! I must give up my free healthcare, low taxes, free rubbish collection etcetera etcetera and throw myself into a united Ireland!
What do you think pays for rubbish collection and healthcare? You think money grows on trees or something? Do you know anything about Irish healthcare or are you just assuming because it doesn’t all come out of taxes that means it’s immediately bad
2:09 Yea, bombs in Belfast in 2018, and pretty much every other week since 1998. Not "very weird" at all.
@@charliekent9526 If you want it all to end then support Irish independence... unless you prefer the bombings?
@@Itsjustmyselfsoitis If we want the troubles in the middle east to stop should we support ISIS? unless you prefer the bombings...
The IRA and the Irish state are terrorists and deserve nothing more than execution.
This will never end as long as the British government is their. What you expected from one of the last Celtic people alive, and what you expected after everything you have done to them including your English, and Scottish colonist idk.
I understand that the whole Ireland issue is multi faceted and very deep. But hearing British old men, who by people within both Borthern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are seen as occupying a country, talk about how they voted to leave the EU because of "immigrants" and "muslims who want to take over the world" even though none of that was visible in the city speaks volumes... and it gives vibes of ignorance that is quite flabbergasting.
Ireland for the Irish
Northern Ireland if for the British x
"Brits out, blacks in" says the Irish republican.
@Nunquam Non Paratus Facts! United Ireland ✊
@Nunquam Non Paratus I'm dual nationality. Got one through my grandfather. English accent Irish soul. Fully support a united Ireland. I hope it happens one day
Irish are lovely people . I hope this does not cause problem for them and they remain peaceful
@Frank
It's my judgement of seeing Ireland and lot of irish people over years seem to be more humble people
U wont think we are so loverly when we show u all how we deal with invaders
@@ddp2659
you don't speak for everyone most people are welcoming just the racist islamaphopic ones. I pray for you. God guide you
@@lightofmylife2008 thanks mushtaq.
mushtaq ahmed They ll be happy if thst country has less muslim migrants..
Good documentary! Did not know about paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland.
This should have been called “Brexit’s Northern Ireland Trouble”.
Toicfaidh ar la! Up the “RA”
"Yeah! Lets go bomb some three year old and sing some drunken pub tunes!"
Much love to Irish unity!!!!
I live in Sweden. Our neighbours and good friends in Norway are not in the European Union.
It has never been a problem for us, in fact I rather have deeper co-operation with Norway & Iceland whether they join the EU later or not.
Difference is the EU will want to make an example of Britain
@padraiccrawford2786 Nope, the UK decided to do that itself😂. The rest is just consequences.
Unless both Protestant and Catholic agree there will never be Peace !
mark Multiculturalism. Does. Not. Work.
Seems pretty obvious that Ireland is an island and thus should be united and anyone living there should be considered Irish. It would be like carving off part of Japan and putting in a Korean colony. Or saying black people living in America are actually Africans and Georgia is now New Angola. Pretty obvious the brits don't belong or should just realize they are basically Irish already accept it or go to the island next door. It's called Britain.
Luchace Fox
A look on a map might be enlightening for you. Are people in Alaska really Canadian's because of where they are situated? Is Portugal really part of Spain etc. The borders in Europe changed all the time.
So you let a small strip of water determine where sovereignty ends? That is illogical.
Luchace Fox - its not as simple as that. The DUP’s main aim and goal is to prevent that. They feel British, not Irish.
and you show your pure ignorance of the situation... if the people of Northern Ireland wanted to be part Ireland and not the UK they would be... they do not. Why should people leave homes of generations because your too stupid to comprehend ?
From an economic and financial point of view it would seem to make more sense for the North to directly link their economy to the Republic and EU instead of a risky and shakey England...strickly from a economic perspective.
It doesn't get more "risky and shakey" than Ireland, actually. "Strictly from an economic perspective..."
Doug Reimer
Risky and shakey UK has a few pounds left so NI would be best sticking with them.
MrWillibaldvongluck1 Ireland has one of the best performing economies on the planet right now.
@@jmcc8156 For me the Republics performance indicators are what concerns me and they are higher across the board in Ireland. In the UK these same economic indicators are stagnant or shrinking in comparison. per capita GDP, birth rate, average income, employment, CPI, life expectancy, DFI, gov't spending are just a few. If anything money will be leaving the UK in the future.
Economic risks are often used as an argument against independence movements, but rarely one that has much of an impact. Ireland was far worse-off financially after independence, but it wasn't about that. Freedom isn't free. It's priceless.
republicanism 101. A man born in Northern Ireland who believes in a united ireland is Irish. A man born in Northern Ireland who believes in unionism is British.
Ty
1. Free Catalonia from Spain
Lo and behold!
And what has that to do with Ireland?
Shut up dork!
I have a better one. Make Ibiza independent !
Another Spanish clown
"The best time to deal with the British is after you've thrown them out of your country." -An American
American's can't really talk, especially when it comes to staying in other people's countries.
Yeah it only took other nations to help you do it too.
But let’s not talk about Vietnam,Iraq,Afghanistan etc etc
I suppose the Irish were quite lucky as it could have been worse the yanks in Vietnam with all the rapes and war crimes make NI look like a playground squabble
A lot of the North are British!
It's look like I'm going back to the fighting British politician, Royals and the Military!
I wish we could all get along 1 flag for 1 planet united countries I'd like to see !
Ireland suffered too much still are in the north no brexit let us do what we got to do