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I'm glad they didn't just go "well Korra's got the poison out so she's okay now" and she actually has to deal with the trauma she's been through. This episode showed the effects of PTSD masterfully.
Yeah it's crazy how people just assumed she'd be fine and are surprised during the fight with Kuvira. Not a spoiler since they're weeks or months ahead on patreon. They're probably done with the series by now.
@@Al7249 Yeah their done for awhile at this point finished the game aswell
exactly, I don't understand how people could have hated this plot at all
Facts this is why korra will always be a better show than ATLA it’s just real and realistic
Eh no@@stancinatti8198
Bolin in season 2: I’m not good at reading people, you should know that by now
A perfect example than when people say "you're like family" they don't mean you're EQUALLY loved and respected as any other member, but that you're "similar" to a family member, like a very good friend, but when and if shit ever hits the fan, they will all remind you you're a second class member of the family. Su would have killed Kuvira but forgiven (and not jailed!) Batar Jr. for doing exactly the same thing. How painful it must be for Kuvira that her mother figure doesnt think she's deserving of compassion just like her kids do.
Varrick thinks about 2 things. Inventing and Zhu Li.
Bolin lavabending is just the coolest thing ever. Love it when he does it every time. Gets me so hyped up in this book
12:42 "All the villains are good!"
If only more people put more respect to ALL of Korra's villains.
To be fair for all intents and purposes when Bolin joined Kuvira was on the up and up, but after 3+ years her power started to corrupt her. The jury is out on when she started to go off the deep end but she was 1000% good when they took back Ba Sing Se
With how we know the creators got screwed with money being cut and forced to cut back on one of the episodes we could have possibly seen it. The recap episode was suppose to be a Kuvira backstory episode. So maybe we would of sympathized more and understood how she fell if we got it. Sad since she was actually really interesting.
Honestly, I support her right up until this episode, and also the whole "purge of non-earth kingdom origin' and "take back Republic City for...reasons" thing.
Sure, she's a bit brutal/harsh, but that's how you gotta be when you're trying to piece a nation together. She can't just run a charity if she wants to actually stabilize and restore the whole kingdom.
One of the most interesting things about the Kuvira situation IMO is that Su is almost entirely in the wrong.
She was in the unique position of having the ability, resources and influence to do something about the Earth Kingdom falling apart around her but chose not to, allowing thousands if not millions of people to suffer.
She got furious when Kuvira, Bataar and most of her guards chose to leave to help, which when you think about it sounds a lot like the beginning of the hero’s journey.
She sat around doing nothing the entire time Kuvira was actually helping people and eventually becoming more authoritarian.
As soon as the situation actually threatens her city she demands instant action from an outsider that actually might be able to help, despite her having refused to do just that.
And finally she breaks a truce and attacks Kuvira without giving diplomacy a chance
Tho the big difference is that one of them is creating a nuke so Kuvira isn't all good
@@brettthebest3978 Oh of course
Bruh, hat's off to you
Unlike most people you ACTUALLY seem to understand how a large portion of this mess is Su's fault.
And let's be honest, that excuse she gave about "not wanting to take power" really was nonsense. She just didn't care until it affected her personally
Bolin and Varrick: “Kuvira’s crazy!”
Me: (sarcastically) Nooo…you’re just now seeing it??
She really never showed signs until they forced it
7:04 Thank you, Boom, for pointing out a big issue I think gets seriously glanced over by a lot of people: Su is honestly in the wrong here, and she *never* cops to it.
Say what you want about Kuvira, we saw a fraction of how bad shit was when the Earth Queen was assassinated. Literally all of Ba Sing Se went to hell and, apparently, it only got worse. Tbh I think the showrunners didn't do enough to establish this (outside of a lot of telling and not a lot of showing) to the point where people just asusme Kuvira is a big mastermind orchestrating fake bandit attacks to force her order on everyone because the alternative is challenging - Kuvira actually did and has been working for years to bring things back to stability and put down these organized crime efforts. And the reason Kuvira was driven to the extreme of law and order was not just the state of the Earth Kingdom (and her own backstory which was also unfortunately axed because of the studio cutting budget) but because of Su refusing to act herself. Half of Su's guard, Su's son, and even the leadership of the United Republic and the Earth Kingdom supported Kuvira's efforts and stood by her for *years* because she was doing a service and actually bringing in change that no one else was. Others like the Air Nation could treat the symptoms by fending off bandit attacks but there was nothing available to be a sustained guard against it; Kuvira was/is that sustained presence to not just make order but maintain it.
Su could have stepped in at any time, Kuvira begged her, and she had *way* more resources than Kuvira did. She complains about it now but she could have easily done what Kuvira did but possibly quicker and with the balanced mind to let it go when it was done, and Kuvira would have been by her side 100%. Kuvira is in the wrong for how far she fell in handling things, but Su is the "good man doing nothing" that allowed just as much evil if not moreso.
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These have been my thoughts for YEARS. Thanks for articulating it like this. 1 thing I'll add: the main reason Su acts this way is because she's a pretty selfish person. Zaofu was fine, so she didn't care to step in. And if her OWN city wasn't threatened by people she had PERSONAL connection to, she wouldn't have lifted a finger.
8:10 Sounds like half of the fandom. And yes, it’s annoying every time, and I’m glad there’s people who defend Korra as a show and as a character, even given the show’s shortcomings.
This show was really meta about the "crowd" it attracted. I also like how she went from picking fights to trying to peacefully talk
It is inferior in every way, and no true AtLA fan would consider it canon.
@@BonzoDrummer Anyone who unironically uses the term "true fan" needs to get a life
@@BonzoDrummerwhy do you lok haters act like someone’s holding a gun to ur head and forcing you to watch the show? don’t like don’t watch stop being a pissy baby just because your faves are dead or senior citizens (coming from an og atla and lok fan)
@@BonzoDrummer cry me a river
Its gonna be funny when their faces react to who she actually gets with
it's interesting comparing Opal and Jinora's airbending. Opal is in an earth stance because she grew up in a family of earth benders and likely picked up some stuff
This Episode also shows how much she has grown. If she was still like she was in Season 1, she totaly would have run into a fight with Kuvira.
Now she is chosing to negotiate first.
Varrik's power play on the train was the highlight of this batch.
Varrick this season is something else. A comedic firework!
I’m floored by your reaction and discussion! The way you guys broke down each scene and discussed every point of view was incredible. Most reactions I’ve seen are just full on “nuke them and ask questions later avatar”
You guys so far are the best when rewatching this series
19:14 Booms perfectly cut wtf made me pause to laugh jesus christ that was good. I love that y'all love Meelo
YEEESSSS THIS WAS PEAK “Do The Thing” and “YOU CANT HANDLE ALL THIS MEELO” times! 🤣
So it turns out wearing metal uniform with a Metalbender is not the best position to negotiate...as well as making the Avatar equivalent of Nukes and not being okay with her wanting to look deeper into it
For Su I think asking Korra wasn't a bad thing, Kuvira is literally bringing a military force to their nation under threat of invasion, that seems like something in the Avatar's job description. The aftermath not so much. Then again Korra got played too, even 1 on 1 she has been well off-step, and her own mental blocks got in the way again.
I'm pretty sure Kuvira made her soldiers' uniforms like that so that she could force choke anyone that stepped out of line with ease.
We got hints of what they took inspiration from but this episode really solidified that this season represents their version of our World Wars. A leader conquers her own kingdom, forcing people to conscribe to her army, like a certain mustachio'd man. Other countries keep arguing about staying out of the fight and wanting peaceful solutions while the internal conflict grows worse. Those who refuse to bow down to the great uniter are thrown into camps. (Since I know you finished the series based on the xmas tree in the vid I'll add more) In later episodes it is mentioned how those of a different race are also thrown into camps. Korra is officially suffering from Shell Shock, what in modern day is known as PTSD. Something with no cure she'll live with the rest of her life. Invasion of a free country will come. New types of weapons are being used including a super weapon that poses similarities to the atomic bomb. Hell even Varrick had a bit of an Oppenheimer moment realizing his own invention is deadly and shouldnt exist. So many similarities yet still so unique to its own world. I love this so much!
I wish we could have seen Kuvira been smashed like a tooth paste but I love the way they respect Korra's journey.
"She gave her the geordi la forge" i laughed
Finally reactors who give Kuvira credit, usually when people get to these episodes they act like Korra is fighting and losing against a random background character from Zaofu when Kuvira might be the best metalbender we've ever seen (Toph invented, but just like Hama her technique evolved so there are better benders in the future), she is better than Lin and Su who we thought were the best metalbenders.
One thing I just remembered was that Kuvira is voiced by Zelda Williams, Robin Williams daughter! Yes that Robin Williams.
That Tenzin Kush jus hit different
Can I just say how much I LOVE Korra's development throughout the series? Season 1 Korra wouldn't hesitate to fight, now she's trying to talk through problems first. That's usually why I get so frustrated with haters of the show who claim Korra had no character development.
Kuvira and Bitar Jr's relationship does feel really weird once it's found out that she's their adoptive sister.😬 It's not only messed up that she's doing all of this to her family, but I think it's also just as messed up that Su didn't try to reach out to Kuvira. We've seen how she is with her kids, but in flashbacks between the two of them, it feels like just a work relationship, rather than a mother/daughter one. I just feel like Su shares some of the blame for how Kuvira turned out. 🤷♀
Despite how kuvira turned out, I think she's the kind of person who has a "too much" to prove. She is a "courageous woman" after all (even if she is acting like a dictator), like her namesake (supposably, kuvira is supposed to translate that in Hindi, but All I got from Shona translation is "to boil".
Great reaction, guys! You know, not enough fans talk about Syyin's actions that led to this mess. If only NICK had given them a couple of more episodes to explore Kuvira's backstory.
Su went from 0 to 60 on Kuvira. I think she wanted to kill her.
100% she wanted to kill her
Su definitely planned to assassinate Kuvira. I think they just didn't want to explicitly say as much.
Despite Su having changed from her past ways she still has a bit of a rebel in her, and lots of rebels really care about loyalty. So seeing her snap almost fits.
@@BlueRoseWolfieWhich is hilarious because she was willing to go metalbending Splinter Cell to 86 Kuvira under cover of night but, like Kuvira said, was never once willing to step up and do anything for the state of the Earth Kingdom.
With her resources, Su could have done what Kuvira did in half the time with no muss, no fuss, and then handed the keys to the kingdom back, all while having Junior and Kuvira by her side. She was willing to let everything around her go to shit, let Kuvira do her thing for years as well, but then decided it was time to break treaties and commit assassinations the literal *day* it hit her doorstep. Su, frankly, can fuck off. And the fact that she never cops it or is called out on it by anyone other than the villain...Lin was right.
@@Mrryn People forget that Su was the bad kid of Toph's 2 kids. Su had a bit of classic youngest sibling syndrome. Su is stubborn, to the point of entitlement. She did not have structure, so she grew into a pseudo gang lifestyle. Problem is she was never punished till it was too late. Oh now that she has gotten wild enough to bring shame to her mother and sister suddenly they want to reign in her freedom? That's all she has, her friends that give her a false sense of family and her freedom. This was her mentality, she didnt realize any seriousness till she injured Lin. What happens? She is sent off to her grandparents. Which sounds like she didnt spend much time there before being of age to travel the world.
By the time we meet her she is a much older adult. She has matured some yes, she has developed her own structure and gathered her own people to live peacefully yes, but it was always on her terms. She was never interested in politics, nor doing anything more then dealing with her people. The most she did in politics was playing fairly with the status quo. On one hand it means she would not be the type to force her will beyond her home. But it also meant she wasn't willing to help. With Kuvira she mostly behaved like the president of Capital City, just plug your ears and think everything will go back to normal when the young king is of age.
Su never wanted responsibility, because she saw it as a negative, based on her observation of her mother who was too busy to raise her, and her stuck up sister who seemed never happy. She always viewed freedom, especially from responsibility, as what would make her happy.
Kuvira coming after her home, threatening her family, that triggered something deep within her. It brought her back to her childhood, with how she spent years enjoying freedom, till someone comes along to try and control her. Add to it a huge sense of betrayal. She grew up with a gang mentality, and a lot of gang stories have it where any betrayal is met with severe backlash. So her gut reaction was to do what she knew, without thinking of the consequences and what could happen if she succeeded.
Saying Lin was right isn't entirely correct, because it wasn't a black and white situation. Nothing is ever simple, everything is more complex then it seems. At the time Lin was calling her out, Su was in the right. She had settled down from her wild ways, married, had children, raised them. She had founded her own city, welcomed people with a focus on mastering metal bending and art. She played well enough with the status quo that there was no problem with her lifestyle then. She was at peace, she even made peace with her mom. Lin didn't want to acknowledge she changed and matured on her own terms, in that Lin was in the wrong. Which is why they ended up making up. If Zaheer never killed the queen, no one would question or put any blame on Su. But Zaheer did kill the queen, he broke the status quo. Su's peaceful existence she was so happy to keep would of gone with it so she focused on protecting her own and staying within her little world. She reverted back to her childhood. That is when Lin became right partially.
Kuvira literally did the vader force choke
Please read the comics when you've finished the show! They're canon, not too long, and continue the story right where season 4 ends (and they're really good :) )
God I didn’t think about that there step siblings 😂😂😂
Next two episodes are gonna be so great to watch. The return of the best character :D
Yeah, an interesting thought to have, when Bolin said Kuvira and Korra are alike... Remember in Season 2 when Korra wanted to subvert the military chain of command of Republic City in order to help her people in the civil war? Kuvira pulled it off in Season 4, subverting Zaofu's military for her own purpose and helping the Earth Kingdom in its time of need.
Bones are made of calcium witch is metal so in a way you can bone bend if you can metal bend
I never understood why Su didn't step up to help earth empire
She's selfish, that's why
I LOVE LEGEND OF KORRA SO MUCH
Again, this is Zelda Williams! She’s the GOAT
Kuvira: “you can use anything, even the avatar state”.
18:03 She found out rq she wasn’t built to take it on. 😂
Like next time fight on your level
Baatar Jr. really did it for the great unitussy
I will say, Kuvira was not really treated like a daughter by the family, some of the siblings outcasted her, Opal called her a stray dog (granted she was 4-5 at the time, but still). Suyin probably saw her as a daughter, but Kuvira knew she did not belong in the family.
Honestly. Im with Bolin for the first episode. From his point of view up till Kuvira threatened him. All the other states of the earth kingdom have joined willingly and have gladly accepted Kuvira's stability and peace. As soon as he's threatened and learns about the attack he goes straight to Varrick and nopes the fuck out.
Great reaction and commentary guys. A lot of people overlook how important kuvira and Su's mother-daughter relationship is. I love how we can also see where a lot of kuvira's messed up morals come from (Su)
i finished this two days ago and it was incredible
at the end of the day, everything korra wanted to prevent and fix ends up coming back full circle
“she tried to close the spirit portal and made a new one then she tried again and made a brand new one💀”
she learns and grows but her ego and lack of action before process makes her a very bad avatar at times
it was awesome tho, and the fact that varrick got married and all🥹
awesome awesome❤❤
im still kinda salty that Nick cut the budget mid season and we lost the Kuvira backstory episode.
Kuvira honestly is like a version of korra if she went too dark
I understand the anger against Hiroshi, but remember, the man had a few years he spent in prison to really think and reflect on everything. Like, yeah he did try to kill his own daughter. He was led down the wrong path by Amon and thought his own daughter was aiding the very people who "killed his wife/her mother". so while it's very obvious to the rest of us that what he was doing was wrong, it wasn't so clear to him in those moments. at the very least, man owned up to his mistakes and apologized, and made it clear he doesn't expect to be forgiven.
We love Zhu Li
Awesome reaction of my favorite episode of The Legend Of Korra!!!!😊😊😊😊😊
All The Legend of Korra villain except S2 have a good intention
Amon belive that bender is what bring pain to people so he try to get rid of it by force
Zaheer want to give people freedom but he too extreme to Anarchy
Kuvira watch her nation burn in chaos and see her leader/mother figure just sit there and do nothing while people suffer so she try to create law/orde/security by herself but get corrupted by the power and get too extreme in the end
You do know that Unolaq had the same goals as Zaheer right he also wanted humans and spirit to live together in harmone
It can be said that even Unolaq had good intent. He believed that mankind disrespects the spirits and he wasnt wrong. It's just that he got too focused on his own sense of power and joined forces with Vatu.
@@tavonknight398 by release spirit of darkness and became dark Avartar? Unolaq betray Zaheer group and try to take power for himself
@@supattreewatanawong5025 There is a chance he started off with good intent but got corrupted by Vaatu. He showed signs he was hearing Vaatu before Vaatu was released, so maybe he got manipulated and radicalized. We don't know how long he was being talked too by Vaatu, maybe since he was young. If a voice in your head talks to you about doing bad things but you get all that you want I can see it happening. Its all speculation though.
@@BlueRoseWolfie OK this reason I can agree on
13:29 I'm a bit concerned about how much he seemed to relate there... LOL
Couple episodes ago when the Earth Queen 👸 was assassinated they mentioned oh yeah usually when a dictator is overthrown another takes its place 😅….😐 that wouldn’t happen nah
Let's get it 💪🏽
Please check out Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts.
19:15 what the f !!!!😂😂😂😂😂
I have a simple philosophy when it comes to forgiveness. No matter what your wrongs, if you have true heartfelt regrets for your actions then you are worthy of forgiveness, even if people are reluctant to give it to you. Forgiveness is earned, not granted. Make the steps to show remorse.
I love tlok
Great Uniter has a distinct "Qin Shi Huang" vibe to it, if you know what I mean.
this season is nuts dude
Book 3 and 4 are goated fr
Kuvira was definitely wrong but so many people made the wrong choices before she came into power. Su, Raiko, the other leaders were all concerned with their small corner instead of doing anything to help. I don’t blame Kuvira for stepping up but with no one to check her and a bunch of rich wannabe oligarchs funding her, she was bound to be corrupt
They really out here making Laser weapons but at least Varrick is getting better. Korra keeps getting washed in these fights
Its wild what PTSD can do to debilitate someone.
Not surprising, she was near paralyzed from physical trauma during the Zaheer battle. The fact she recovered enough to fight at all, even with being the Avatar, is shocking. And just 3 years from being able to move her big toe to physical martial arts?
I just binged and i didn't realize you didnt finish! Im glad i didnt drop any spoilers! Lol
Patreon has been finished with Korra for months. Spoil away 😂
@SortaStupid oh good! Lol ♡ have you guys done shera yet? Netflix one. Adora (shera) and Korra same energy ♡
Have a great weekend!
This is perhaps an unpopular opinion but Sui... she is just the worst.
The Earth Kingdom was tearing itself apart, and Complete Anarchy reigned, we saw just hours in the entirety of Ba Sing Se was burning to the ground and people were looting everything of wealth. That didn't stop after the first night, first week, first month. People were dying as the world was reduced to Might makes Right.
So the leaders of the world approach Sui. She's respected, the leader of a successful city, and has a strong Pedigree to *not take power* but to help little Ping from dying in a gang war between recently formed criminal empires in the ruins of Ba Sing Se.
Just stop the riots and widespread anarchy until we can reinstitute the Royal Family. But no, her weird hang-up on not taking power she thinks Anarchy is much more preferable.
This means that Kuvira, respected in Zhao Fu maybe and recognized by the Guards, has to take the reigns and try to *STOP THE NATION FROM KILLING ITSELF*
But unlike Sui she doesn't have a pedigree, no recognition, and no support from the World Leaders so she has no choice but to enforce order through a literal Iron Fist. Without force, she would never have been able to get this far.
Is how she handled things right? No. But her intentions were good. Enforce order upon the nation and because she can't police every place at once she has to crack down on dissidents by means of labor camps.
Kuvira made Hell through her good intentions. But she didn't have to. It could have gone SO MUCH SMOOTHER if frigging Sui Beifong, a possible Red Lotus sympathizer, would rather let the Earth Kingdom fall and stay in Anarchy rather than take power until the royal family could return.
Edit: Not to mention, her first thought upon seeing an Army was "Let's have the Avatar commit a mass murder" and her second was "Let's commit a little murder in the middle of the night".
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion lol. Su is the worst!
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people always talk about how Korra is trash and her villans are weak, those people just be hating.
Zendaya would be a great live action korra
I don’t think the avatar is supposed to bring peace. The avatar brings balance and peace is just a byproduct.
At least that’s what I think because every avatar has to fight and that’s not very peaceful. They fight for balance.
I like Kuvira least but I still like her more than antagonists of series 1.
Loved your reaction as always. You should watch society of the snow.it's a great movie and I would love to hear what you have to say about that one
YOOOOO HE GAVE THAT THING A TRUSSY
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'd like to see them react to assassination classroom.
day 20 of asking you to react to the mitchells vs the machines
Zhu Levil.
You need to do total drama island
All hail the great uniter
13:56 😔 why?!?
This season was absolutely rocking until the resolution. Kuvira is nothing like younger Korra and sympathy was absolutely the wrong approach. I get that TV-14 has limitations, but she was more psychopathic than S1 Hiroshi whose partial redemption actually made sense.
Dude varrick and zhu li
Is best ship in kora
I don't care what anybody else says
Only zhu li can understand varrick
And varrick can only think of invention money and zhu li 😂
"All the villains in Korra are so good!!"
I cannot take that seriously when you show a picture with Unalaq there. Bro SEEMED like an interesting enough villain at first but then his motivations just boiled down to wanting the spirits to be free and for the world to be filled with darkness and for Vaatu to corrupt everything.... For some fucking reason. All so he could be the Dark Avatar.... And even his children could die and he couldn't care less. Literally the definition of a terrible villain.
Vaatu corrupting everything wasn't his intention IIRC; Vaatu just took advantage of their union to do so (who being the prime force of evil, isn't surprising). Unalaq more wanted a Dark Avatar as a counter-force to the Avatar so as to restore (what he thought was) balance, much as he thought that not having the spirits around was an imbalance, or so was the general idea.
^Reasonable enough motive on paper, only issue is that - like other villains - it completely overtook all else/he was going about it the wrong way. Not the strongest villain by any stretch, yet imo that makes him decent at worst
I think bolin could take her 1v1. He is a lava bender after all
Day 23 of asking y'all to watch Hulk Vs 2009
The Amount of respect I lost for suyin Trying to kill Someone in her sleep Imaginebif toph Found out
Bruh this is war lmao u think this is an honor battle
Damn bro Korra taking more L than Zuko at this point😂