Dorian Yates Calls OUT Tom Platz On STEROID Usage In NEW Interview
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- čas přidán 18. 02. 2024
- Dorian Yates has always faced speculation when it comes to talking about what he actually did to achieve the results of his physique & bodybuilding career. In this new interview with Dorian Yates he was asked to clear up the speculation.
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Good for you for recommending it
Never liked Yates or Platz
@@texluhYea it seems he's doing some more vids now:)
@@JonnyBravoTVHaven't seen anything but thanks for letting me know mate. That's a great relief!
Love your content man keep up the good work
Calls Out Tom Platz?...When?..Where?...Your title wording to me sounds like Dorian ripped Tom a new one and is going to call him a liar to his face about his usage...Once again bro...your wording in your titles is borderline lying and definitely unnecessary no respect click bait.....Why not just say the truth that Dorian talks to Tom Platz about steroid usage....simple and to the point
Dorian knows about his past interview which is why he stated the question the way he did. Also, he knows that Tom would admit more than what he did before. Just because he wasn't mean about it doesn't mean he didn't call him out. It's borderline the way you wanna look at it, but as for CZcams success you have to be creative with the thumbnails. The amount of hours and work and days I put into my videos I think you should appreciate the work more. I spend more time converting old footage, then people spend making five videos.
@@JonnyBravoTVnah ur a scumbag
lying is lying. Stop it!@@JonnyBravoTV
Bodybuilding and lying about gear are synonymous
This^ It seems everywhere you look on social media dudes are getting pro bodybuilder level gains on trt...yea, right lol.
It's the same with powerlifting, every guy I competed against "just on 500 test, trust me bro"
@@dantheman9555 Why can't they be telling the truth? You aren't going to benefit from being on any more than that. It's more than enough but more must be better, right babe.
@@TheSaxon. Ha, alright buddy, Show me a meta analysis or white paper that states there is no benefit from a dose higher than 500mg per week of test, I'll wait 🙂
Sadly it's true
I will forever be known as the guy who took 250mg Test E per day, and I'll never forget it haha!
Oh my God no you did not Steve lol
Valentino put 250 in each shoulder per hour and it stayed there a year each time 🤣 I hope he's doing ok
@@JonnyBravoTV Good times! Trained twice per day and still got time for the Sharmutas XD
You sick f*ck 😂 we love you steve! Your doing God's work...the Greek gods.
How is that sac doing? no way any man would sacrifice his sex life or nuts to look good for other men. It is a known fact that women are not into the look. not when it goes too far. men on Viagra in their 20s.
Guys like myself could take 2g of gear/week and not touch what someone with great genetics could achieve on 400mg/week. People just need to be the best they can be and not prematurely kill themselves trying to be the next Yates, Zane, etc.
Absolutely
I always thought I had s***** genetics because I couldn't do what the other guys were saying they did natural. I only got up to 182 lb and contest shape natural at 511 and was able to win a state show. When I took gear the next year and I'm talking like a quarter of what everybody else took. I could not believe the difference!! I mean it was like somebody cast of magic spell because I put on 60 lb of muscle in a year and a half. So much to where I need 11 surgeries to correct all the problems that I caused! The strength was absolutely addictive and I was never meant to get that big but I had an amazing response to the drugs! And a lot of guys don't even get anywhere near the response I did from three times the drugs! I'm glad I stopped when I did! I have no permanent side effects of any kind. At least not from bodybuilding lol
@@BrianEthridge-wg6ko Same here, I barely sniffed the cork so to speak, huge impact.
Same goes for strength gains, some people are just hyper responders. Guy I trained with both hopped on roughly same time, both roughly 10+ years of training , roughly same bw , roughly same squat. in 18 months I put 115lb on my squat, he put 180lb.
💯 You CANNOT make up for genetics
Platz is now on 250mgs of test a week for TRT. Which means at 70 years old he wants you to believe he's on more gear now than he was when he competed. Lmao at these guys trying to rewrite history
He should've been taking that with the Deca lol. Imagine down there the problems he had lol
@@JonnyBravoTVhe needed bluechews for sure
@nocaparoni4502 bro I take those because they work lol not because I need them but Platz probably needed them lol
@@russellmuscle7434 probably why his ex wife left him for his gym partner.
@nocaparoni4502 man I thought the same thing 😅
He is probably telling the truth because he is still alive.
Dorian is still alive too and he blasted gear as much as anyone.
About a decade ago, I remember Robby Robinson doing a couple of interviews where he went into detail about his gear use throughout his career. He claims that throughout his entire career...both pre contest and off season, he only used Deca. At the time, I scoffed at his statement and didn't believe him. But looking back, I kind of believe it. We have to recognize that at the time, most of the guys didn't know much about gear. It wasn't like today where they are an endless amount of documentation and research to review. But then, things were based on word of mouth and manufacturer recommendation. Guys were afraid of the stuff. Also, Robby isn't known for being the smartest guy. Today, I wouldn't take deca without Test...but back then, most guys wouldn't have even considered that to be an issue. So yeah, I believe most of these guys when they say things that seem ignorant. It isn't that they were willingly ignorant...instead, it was almost like an innocent ignorance.
@@michaelr.4878 It's not about the amount of compounds so much, its the overall dose. 2-3grams of deca, although would be terrible cycle, would still likely yield pretty crazy results. Back in the 70's, it was deca, dbol, and a few others. A lot of guys (not all) were known to take dbol like candy...
have you seen robbie's bicep insertions? NO STEROIDS GIVE U THAT. you guys need to wake up and realise the genetic structure and insertion of someone is literally ninty-five percent of it. @@michaelr.4878
@@ytsux9259His doses were minute, compared to todays idiots.
When we had dianabol from pharmacy in Poland 30-25 years ago, common dose was 15-25mg depending on experience in the gym and it was working fantastic.
It seemed to be a lot better and stronger back then 80s and such.
I remember it. We had dbol from romania (naposim) strong as fuck
I sourced real raw dbol powder and can confirm 5-10mg is plenty.
real drugs are potent and strong as shit. The first TTM cycle I did was 200test per week, 200 tren per week and 200 mast. let me tell u... i was dry, grainy and strong as shit. The fact I was on keto for 2 months prior prob exaggerated the grainy-ness but still. U dont need a lot of gear if its quality.
@@user-kg1od9es5d yeah that is the core source of this whole issue
JB- give a Phil Baroni update if you get a chance, please.
Actually working on that as we speak. There is some things that I haven't been able to put out which I'm working on the details of. Thanks for tuning in Chael💪🙏
7:08 That’s the big difference between modern bodybuilding and the old school era. Back then if you didn’t start with top tier genetics chances are you weren’t even winning a pro card. Nowadays 75% of these “ifbb pros” shouldn’t be anywhere near a bodybuilding stage, let alone be considered professionals. But the more pro cards the ifbb hands out the more annual fees they collect. In the end it’s all about the money.
Facts
right on
The more pro cards they hand out, the less credible the sport becomes. Gone are the days when aesthetically pleasing physiques won contests *the bigger the better* mentality has torpedoed what was left of any credibility in the realm of mainstream sports.
@@boomersD9CAT 100%,when you make something easier to access it loses its worth
Really?,so u saying tom platz had good genetics!!??...he had the biggest legs ever,(till necksilla),but his top body has the shape of a washing machine,absolutely horrible.And on top of that every time he speaks about steroids he just lies...just say u dont want to speak about the subject,dont insult your fans.
All bodybuilders throughout history have tried or experimented with whatever they could get their hands on, if it was available they used it. For instance the common view is that Arnold didn't use GH, but Ric Drasin said he and Arnold took Crescormin (the non synthetic variant) a couple of times in the 70s.
We can talk all we like about what Tom might of taken back in the day but his mental strength and ability to do these insane monster sets are unmatched
He's motivational af
He’s a motivator, and a guy that’s inspired many people to persevere through difficult circumstances.
Stop pretending lifting weights is hard. lol.
Wow so amazing.
@@bigricky5742 It is when you have a 9-5 or should I say 7-4? If you're living that free youtube life (no work, just travel and vlog), no wonder it's easy.
@@bigricky5742 you obviously have never trained at a high intensity for you to say that chump
Telling people that I take or took only low doses of gear is the new version of saying im natty lol
No one is worse than lee priest " i took half a CC of test , Half a cc of deca and 1mg of stenazol for the olympia "
Don't forget that every other week he would forget to take his shots when he was rooming with Dillett, even when both of their syringes were on the table in complete view of everyone 😅😂
You ever see him natural at 15 ?
@conniealvarez4452 of course and only did growth hormone once but stopped cause he didn't like how it felt
@@loves2smooch384 who cares how much Lee took 🙄🥱
He said he would do 800mg of Winstrol only, before a contest. Not sure where you got your numbers.
Jon.... there isn't many who have been totally honest and transparent !!! Regardless of amounts... we all have to put in THE EXTREME HARD WORK , I would vomit almost weekly training legs, and remember at least 2times blood vessels breaking in my eyes,and blood streaming down my face. At 55yrs old.. not proud of it but I've done almost everything under the sun , NOTHING BEATS HARDWORK,CONSISTENCY AND TIME !!!
To second that there's no point in using gear if your not going to train till failure, diet hard and live it 24 7. I would be down to 800 calories a day 3 weeks out just to get below 6 percent bf. Those of us who succed it's because we push to the extreme in every possible way. Nobody gets there who's worried about cycles. Yeah we take what we need to to get there but gear won't help you diet or do cardio at 3 in the morning because your just to damn hungry to sleep
Maybe he wasn’t taking grams
But there’s no way he was taking less than 700mg per week when HE SAID IT
I can tell you this much from training with serge nubret that 100 mgs of an oral daily was the average in the 70s but not close to the high end. They never counted their orals into their weekly mgs. Deca was their main anabolic which they took every 10 days transitioning into primobolan. The parabolan back then came from a company in France called negma and came in 76 mg viles, 3 a week was all you needed. There was all kinds of other exotics out their that became really popular but disappeared after they made steroids illegal in the states. It's funny many of those exotic injectables were later changed to orals and sold as prohormones 15 years later. The dea wasn't aware that these were the same illegal compounds with the methyl bond added to make them orally active lol
I think it has a lot to do with 1. The quality of the drugs back then. And 2. The diet that these men had growing up was way different than what we have had growing up in the 80s and 90s. Everything isn't filled with hydrogenated oils and saturated fats, artificial this and that, preservatives.
That’s a fact , I was in the gym in the late 90s , and I’m still in touch with a lot of the guys of were competing , and they look at these guys todays dosages and think they are freakin crazy!😂.
Kevin Levrone unjuiced is all you need to see when the genetics discussion comes into play.
levrone off gear, but still hitting the gym, had a pretty good physique actually. you're probably referring to when he quit lifting too.
He quit training altogether after shows
Levron's genetic response is insane tho
@@mrmap4875 That, i can totally agree!
Levrone is probably the most genetically gifted responder in the history of bb. He was strong af too.
A lot of people underestimate the effects of relatively low doses of anavolics for someone who is a high responder and genetically gifted, who also does everything else perfectly, diet, exercise, sleep etc. It seems most people today take way too much .
ian vailliere's physique legit has melted because he was one of the pro's who abused. phil heath on the other hand? looks fresh as daisy. come on guys - the evidence is right infront of you, open your eyes!!!
The only people that scream "liar" are the meatheads who look like 💩 and are taking grams of everything. Never been any different.
Great upload Jon, well done on the restored images and content. Not easy to do.
Thank you yeah, it took some time because the original footage was so bad I couldn't get myself to use it😂 it was crazy too, because nearly all the Tom photos were bad resolution wise as well.
Another excellent video Jon. Keep up the good work.
dont forget he took ''going to failure'' to another level!! the body has to adjust to this extreem damage, by GROWTH
Good video Jon, thank you. Everyone needs to watch to the end, btw, before commenting. Still gave kudos. I bought Tom Platz's book back in the day, along with all the magazines and the other books. I was never a huge fan, I thought his legs were just too damn big, lol. Of course I would kill to have those legs. But my boys back in the day were Lee Labrada, Haney, I'm forgetting a lot, but the overall balance of each muscle was what I noticed.
Great video! I always thought that maybe some competitors back then did low dosage/basic cycles because they didn’t know any better. It reminds me of Ronnie when he called he was natural at his early Olympias and Flex Wheeler (I believe that’s right) told him about steroids… people couldn’t just Google everything back then so maybe some pros just didn’t have the information or the information they had was suboptimal.
Tom Platz is looking rough, after all those years of insane training style and just over the top, he now looks like a guy whose never worked out with a catchers glove for a face, all of those steroids accelerate the aging process so the guys looked like Greek God's decades ago and now look like an out of work car salesman or someone whose not taking very good care of himself with those chipmunk cheeks.
Great video and I like your production, had to sub and like.
You have 70k subs? That’s whack…some of the best content I’ve ever seen has come from you Jonny. I mean that. Keep up the good work 🙏
Thx u ❤️🙏
He didn't say the most he ever took was 100mg a day, he said "the most I would EVER consider taking based on my bodyweight" which implies he just did the calculations.
8:44 Wow this clip is incredible. Where did you find this?
As always your hair looks great.
Thx for the Vid J.B ❤
Haha thx u, I actually wasn't happy with it today haha
Another great video on this channel. Coming from someone who has zero background in this world, is tehre a good youtube video (or other resource) where one can learn about what these different steroids are/do? I have heard these names a lot but don't really understand which one is which. Not trying to use them, but just trying to learn upmore.
Derek More Plates More Dates
Yes, Derek is the go to and thank you!!
The problem with lies is that you lose track them and people catch on to your inconsistency
People forget also back during the 70's a lot of what people were taking was still relatively 'new' so there was a lot of caution with dosages, Then of course naturally the dosages went up over the years/decades as bodybuilders experimented and pushed to see what their bodies could handle bit by bit.
to where we are now people just presume that the bodybuilders then must have been taking the same dosages as current day bodybuilders who have decades of information at their fingertips as well as alot more options
Sorry brother it's just not true, back in the 70s you could go right to the doctor and say you wanted them to help improve your gym performance. He'd write a script for 200 ,gs deca every 10 days and 25 mgs of anavar a day. That's what regular people took who wanted to improve their body. Pros took 100 mgs of an oral on average deca or primo for their anabolic and an assortment of exotics depending on who just got back from europe. Pete Gradkowski used to make dianabol pies each contained 100 5 mg dbol, he'd eat that every day. Mentzer inot his seminar stated 1100 mgs of deca every 10 days. Zane seminar notes 600 mgs primo a week parabolan 76 mgs 3 xs a week. I can go on and on I trained with serge nubret who claimed to be natural let me tell you he was a mad scientist when it came to gear usage
what a compelling video! i love all of these guys,, Dorian, Tom... there all legends of the sport talking so open.. really beautiful to see.
Good point Bravo, I just made this point regarding basketball. The hardest workers don’t always equal the best players. Genetics do play a part in many facets of life.
If you can get hold of some of the old underground books … bodybuilders in the 70s and 80s would take this
In the off season
12 week cycle of Sus, Decca and Dianabl… they would taper up over a 3 week indie then taper down from week 8 … then brake for a month and start again..
The cutting cycle would replace decca and Dinabol with primo, Anavar and winstrol…
The test dosages would vary from 500 to 750mg per week for some body builders in the peak taper …
I trained in a very good bodybuilding gym during the 80's (Mr. America's, NY) and the competitors took everything available (test, deca, primabolan, anadrol, anavar, winstrol, finaject/finajet (1985), dianabol, protropin hgh, teslac, hcg, eq after 85ish, thyroid, triacana, thiomucase, etc and it was all top grade. I've been to Tom's seminars from 1985 through the 90's and no one believed the doses that he mentioned back then either. That said, he did have great seminars, that part excluded.
How many people there were stepping on the Olympia stage every year? Big difference between bulked meatheads desperatey seeking the magic pill and top tier genetics.
@@TheSaxon. Not only was the gym owner a aau Mr. AMERICA/Universe winner, but there were many great competitors there, including several who went on to win the aau america, nabba universe, npc usa, etc. Many ifbb competitors, including Samir stopped in. Albert Beckles trained there just before several olympias and Night Of The Champion shows. Hahaha, carry on
Tired of these bodybuilders getting mad and saying we dont want to believe them when they tell us how little they take (lee priest), well, its because of all the lying bs. Arnold "Only took them to slim down for competition".
Gotta love the studio Dorian is in...is he making beats in there? Would love to see Dorian freestyle
Probably rented the studio for the interview.
Lol
I tried Dianabol in the early 80's when you could buy it at most gyms in Southern California. Some guys made great gains on little doses and some took so much and not even a noticeable difference. I was afraid of going further with injectables because of the HIV scare that took over the country. I stopped using it and kept most of my gains, probably from working out harder and a better diet.
Tom very well may have been a hyper responder combined with how some stuff was stronger.
How you gonna get HIV from steroids? It’s not like you’d be sharing needles
He should post his journals
He claims to have all these journals yet in total rebuild he talks about forgetting sets and reps and only concerning himself with the feeling of the pump. Tom is lying of course 100 mgs of an oral daily was standard back then and they didn't even include that into their weekly total of mgs. These people who say they only used 20 mgs of dbol are either full of shit or 150 pounds
Jon GREAT SHOW ONCE AGAIN/ from gringo yes he was there(Tom) in the 80,s on my visit to world Gym .Arnold was also, there but i never dare ask him these questions, i was the casual visitor and he would dive in my sets ,and tell me about the fun times nothing else.The only guy who would chat sometimes about his use of gear ,not to me ,but another guy i knew was Louis Freitas,the Brazilian ,he was f...... massive.Bob Paris kept to himself thats it.
Sergio oliva once said he took dballs by the handful. Mike christian star of the 80s said he took gh like it was water. The old top guys TOOAk A LOt
Is there a lab in Canada that you can recommend
“If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.” ― Mark Twain:
My second comment, as I know total comments help support the channel. Jon, I've looked at some of the nasty comments directed at you on another video, bro, you got some thick skin. Props to you for that.
you know what's weird
when I was young I'd watch a show called Hercules, with Kevin Sorbo as Hercules
and as weird as it sounds, he was the image of a strong person in my mind
and it's weird, I found it believable that Kevin Sorbo was a very strong character with the physique he had (someone today looking at what he looked like, might say no he needs to look like Marcus Ruhl to be believed he is strong)
and from the bodybuilding world, he looks much more similar to a Steve Reeves than the guys that came later (like how someone like Tom Platz in this video looked)
you could throw in the actor who played Aries from the show too (who sadly passed not long after the show ended)
I attended a Tom Platz seminar in the late 80's , it was the worst , he didn't mention anything about training , supplements or diet , just some bulljive motivational talk
Bulljive😂😂 I like it
😂😂
Tom is such an old dithering fool
Cool video bro
I remember learning about Lyle Alzado , & the effects of steroids back in elementary school. Might of even been one of those days when they wld roll the TV in the room. I think Lyle had a commercial or public service announcement speaking out about it, though I cld be mistaken.
Yeah people forget we had guest speakers common talk to us at least in my school about the dangers of taking them to scare the hell out of us.
Definitely Alzado had a PSA, which got extended to syndicated commercials. I remember a year or 2 with tons of them.
"It's just the polish"
Well that polish easily put about 90lbs on all my lifts
and 90lbs of extra muscle to the body over the natural limit.
@@sd4568 I've gained about 6lbs of muscle
Well you have to remember, we're about a whole generation or two later with the microplastic pollutants accumulating in the environment.
Gear is just "the polish"
got that right!
"the Polish" dbol was building monsters!
Yes it was Metanabol from jelfa 👍
Whatever Tom did between the 80 and 81 Olympia worked that was about as amazing a metamorphosis as you can get
He came in lighter is what he did and it helped not having to stand next to any big men like Arnold. In 1980 Arnold was maybe 220 tops and still dwarfed Platz. Reason being Tom was only about 198 on stage just like Zane and every other bodybuilder who wasn't named Arnold or Sergio. Even Mentzer who claimed to be in the 230s was under 215 at the olympia
My grandpa was never into bodybuilding, he showed me some pictures of him back when he was my age and his legs were tripple the size of mine. If you eat whatever you can while having to do physical work it is indeed different to going to the gym for 1h 4 times a week WITH the use of anabolics. Not saying its healthy, it probably wasnt, but its a different time period and physical work was different back then. Like doing a normal day job, building a house, doing a second job to feed the family. And then if it pays of you eat alot of meat and animal products that are not processed like today. Some guys may not be transparent as others, but still they didnt use the same protocols as we do, sometimes its healthier today even so it sounds like alot more.
Derek's reaction is freaking gold
No, they are all full of s..t! I remember hearing a recording of Tom Prince talking about not going over 1,700mgs a day. A DAY! That anything more would be a waste. It was his voice in the interview and he did say 1,700mgs. Not a type of. That was early 90's. I'm sure he wasn't going these doses alone.
Tom did
1500 test
600 deca
50 winstrol a day
Halo at end
Plus gh
That was his cut cycle lol
@@MendedSushigreat cycle
Tom prince is also dead buddy. he was the outlier, not the norm. outliers die... e.g. mccarver. very few outliers survive long enough to tell the tale.
Bro....there are multiple people at EVERY serious gym in america doing that exact cycle right now@@user-kg1od9es5d
I didn't say anything about people dying, I said they are lairs about their dosages. Not all, but most. 20 years ago they flat out lied in the magazines and claimed it was Mega Mass 2000 or Anabolic Mega packs that they were using. Lu Ferrigno was famous for his denial. @@user-kg1od9es5d
Outro song?
Im just saying what i saw in 1985. In 2 months a friend went from 185 to 215 lbs pretty lean. He was in his third year of high school and won the city Championship. He was 17 and strong as hell for his age.
Jon Bravo = The Tom Platz of Hair
P.S. - gear was stronger when it was being produced by established pharma companies.
hahahah love this comment
All I can say from my experience was that as a young teen in the mid to late eighties, I was around a lot of top uk bodybuilders and they were very open to what they were taking. I was lucky enough to train with some of them, so I was there to see what they were taking. Fast forward OMG, 35 years (shit I’m getting old) and I see local competition bodybuilders taking 4+ times the amount, with others supps and tbh, yeh they look a lil bigger, but they don’t look as good as those guys back then or are as fit (they used to be able to run up the stairs, without nearly needing O2 🤣) and yeh, I know lasses who take as much, if not more than the guys back then 💁♂️
Imo theres a point of diminishing returns with gear amount. Iv ran what i would consider alot probs as high as 1.5 grams per week in my younger years. Nowadays ill cruise on 250mg a week most of the time unless im going to compete then ill up it to around 6-800mg a week tops. Dont need anyone.
I’ve been following Tom Platz for many years, and he’s as honest as they come. From his personal life experiences to his days as a top tier bodybuilder, he’s never mislead anyone.
Lots of contradictions in his stories.. One time he took this much, then the next time he talks he took that much.. it's a joke
so you feel extremely betrayed now right? dude is full of shit
@@thatjackedwelder He’s talking about cycles from 35 plus years ago…I don’t remember what dose of gear I was using in the mid 1980’s, other than the names…Dianibol, Anavar, Winstrol ect… (6 two month cycles from 1984 to 1987)
Very great one this week Jon!!!!
Thx u! I did some
Work on this but felt the subject matter was important.
A dear friend of mine who passed away was an IFBB pro. He was also a Muscletech athlete in the late 90's. Not the most aesthetic looking dude, by any means. But he was legitimately 300lbs in the off season and had 24 plus inch arms.. In the gym, people would say things to me like "your friend's gotta be taking massive amounts of gear!" They would always pry and try to get info out of me because I knew exactly what he took. (We took the same exact stuff) The truth is, there were normal everyday men in that gym that probably took as much or more.. As far as recreational drugs??? Different story...He loved to party and was a great dude. But I can tell you for absolute certain, that he rarely pushed beyond 600mgs of testosterone. He didn't like Tren and used it very sparingly.. Once MAYBE twice per year for short intervals. He ran normal doses of Deca and a few other ancillary anabolics. But again....There are random dudes in "any gym USA", that are probably taking similar amounts. That was my first lesson in "more isn't necessarily better" and "the guys you see competing in pros would still be among the best in the world, with or without steroids."
How certain can you be that your friend wasn't lying to you. Dude's 100% will lie to their own friends about doses...and i've seen it. We all know the ego's bodybuilders tend to have along with their insecurities. Unless you were glued to his ass 24/7, I don't see how you could ever know for certain what he took/didn't take.
Great work as usual Jon,
Lost a friend to that shit in the mid 80s, what a flashback this one brings to the older generations.
Whats song at 9:45
Great vid 👏👏👏
Thx uuu❤️
Pretty much every steroid user or ex user gives you different numbers each time . I even told my friend " if i say to you im on 500mg test a week im probably on 750mg "
😂😂😂😂
Dorian DIDN'T CALL OUT Tom he simply asked him ..... calling out is confrontation,you said this but did this .
Dorian knows about his past interview which is why he stated the question the way he did. Also, he knows that Tom would admit more than what he did before. Just because he wasn't mean about it doesn't mean he didn't call him out. It's borderline the way you wanna look at it, but as for CZcams success you have to be creative with the thumbnails. The amount of hours and work and days I put into my videos I think you should appreciate the work more. I spend more time converting old footage, then people spend making five videos.
@@JonnyBravoTV props 👏👏👏👏💪💪💪💪
lol Tom said "he's so OLD, he FORGOT" had me dead
Haha first of all Tom knows how these hormones work, he would have never taken deca every 7 days they all took it every 10 days based on the half life. All of the top guys used 100 mgs of their oral anadrol, anavar, winstrol, or dianabol and they didn't even count their oral into their mgs per week. Test wasn't really used except by powerlifters, deca was the main anabolic for growth primo precontest. How do I know I trained with serge nubret, vince taylor, and Kevin levrone. These guys were not scared of upping the dose they looked for anything that could possibly give them the edge
hi jon. for myself, growing up in the 90s in my 20's, did sports and worked out a lot. took steroids to gain mass for wrestling. most i ever took was about 50mg a week. just steroid, nothing else with it. i didnt want to lean out with anything, just diet as i was already to big height and size wize. now? im on TRT. feel great at almost 50, accept for some health issues. 100mg a day for tom? no fkn wonder he looked how he did. im on 50mg a day. 350 a week. yes thats a fkn lot. doc told me he upped my dosage that way, and i get tested ever 3 months, is due to my level was almost NIL. all the issues i have, a smaller dose would be no benefit. to be honest, i dont even most times take the full dosage as til health improves i wouldnt feel the full benefits specially when working out and or exercising. so the dose i am on keeps me feeling normal.
Great post and yes everyone's different. For me anything above 140 a week my levels are in the 15-1700's. Everyone's different and responds differently.
@@JonnyBravoTV agreed jon. may i add. idk if i should but i will. at the time of my usage and going into trt before my back broke and got ill i was 6'6 355. i mentioned what i did on doucettes channel a cpl years or so ago when he spoke of trt. he said i was lying. and impossible, and my doc is insane. i claimed your discussing guys taking insane amounts, and my amount is insane due to all the health issues i have? after i posted my levels before trt and after and my health issues, which i am lucky to even be walking. he clammed up.
Just a heads up I’m seeing ufc/mma become a really big new trend on CZcams. If you would start following the fights and doing videos about the fights you would get insane views. I’m going to start a channel and try it myself as I have followed mma closely for 20 years.
I think my issue is it's become so over saturated. It's actually hard to get into algorithm even for a channel like me. I have had success covering MMA and still do but only on the really really big stories.
Have to remember the stuff back then was much better as well! I remember when guys would take 1 blue Dbol tablet per day and gaining 20 lbs the first month, I believe there were only 10mg tablets too.
I still admire Steve Reeves' physique as being among the best that's ever been seen.
by far the GOAT body ever!
Plus he never took any drugs..i watched several interviews with him...he was 6 ft 215lbs, with 18 inch arms...
@roadstar499 That's a fact! 💯
Absolutely
@@roadstar499 he set the general standard we still go by that a man who is 6' should also weigh around 200lbs. if he is strong and athletic. That's then adjusted for height at 5 lbs subtracted for every inch below 6' and 10 lbs added for every inch over. There is some variation with this, but I have found it to be accurate. At 5'10" my strongest physique was at a walking weight of 185-190.
Yeah he is lying. No sane bodybuilder believes that. Taking less the Bikini girls? LMAO
Deca pre-contest, tren in the off season? Sounds pretty backwards, no? Most guys i know did fast acting drugs pre contest, and slow acting in the offseason
take into consideration everything was pharma grade and real .
And you are right I’ve been saying that from the very beginning Generally gifted ppl genetics is key and then how you reacts to anabolics steroids
Genetics yes but i think the drugs were 100% legit, now it's just low quality which would explain high dosages. Don't forget that even for some treatments, like thyroid, Pharmaceutical companies changes the molecule to make more money even though the new formula does work as well as the original one. look at Pain killer, why is it a disaster now, back in the days the formulas were strong because it was the original molecule. Now, it's just garbage, they modify the structure and give you something somewhat close to the original molecule and combine it with other molecule to make the delivery faster so that you think it works.
Don't get me even started whit the generics,...it's even worse..much cheaper but less efficient.
Steroids are not even legal, so the amount of shit out there, i could only imagine. If Pharmaceutical play around formulas, imagine illegal labs....it's really scarry.
And i think personnaly, the amount of death has increased with the amount of gear...yes...but i think it has to do with the other molecular shit they put in to try to replicate the effect of the real drug.
Idk about people being afraid of using stuff. In my city (Latvia) Europe powerlifting is quite popular and in the 80's they used 3 amps of sustanon a week ans 100-200mg anadrol. Idk how is it woth sustanon outside EU but here it comes in 250mg/ml amps. Some used ritabolil -pharmacy deca rule of thumb was 1 amp less than sust. Ritolil comes 100mg/ml i believe so test 750 a week, deca 300 and anadrol 100-200mg day. Thats in the 80s, thats in Europe thats in powerlifting. I live in that circle - here nobody downplays or hides what they used. All that in mind - i believe Americans 100% as hell were not afraid and did not use a bit of this and a slight touch if that.
i didn’t hear Dorian call him out on anything 🤔
I want to believe Platz, his true cycle was what he said in that old interview. There are a few transparent bodybuilders Like Nasser El Sonbaty, Pete Grymkowski, Rich Piana, and Steve Michalak who took insane dosages and admit to it. As well as people like Lee Priest and Dorian Yates who are honest about there usage. Everyone in the 70s were cavalier with there drug use. I don't the stuff that the golden era bodybuilders say because they do it to mythologize their legacy.
Robby Robinson claims that throughout his entire career....both pre contest and off season, he only ever used Deca. Small dosed deca at that. I used to think he was full of it. But upon years of reflection and considering what other guys from that era have said, I am inclined to believe most of these guys. Guys were very wary and tentative of the stuff. Plus, there weren't any long term examples of guys who used for 20 years or studies to look at to see the results or impacts of long term use. They were going into these things blind.
I believe this, I've had friends who had the same experience
I’ve done Deca as a base and you need to take a gram to keep your man parts working. You could add a small amount of Dbol (not Winstol) as it’s your E2 levels that create your sex drive. This is ALL HORSESHIT!
lol hate to break it to you, but everyone is not the same. I ran 250mg/deca a week stand-alone with zero libido issues.@@christianmathison1182
Danny Padilla also said in an interview that he only used deca. At the beginning of his career he also used dianabol, but stopped orals due to health concerns. He said he never touched testosterone, and credits it to still having his hair. Only used for competitions and then cycled off completely.
We're not comparing genetics from top bodybuilders to average Joe
We're comparing genetics from top bodybuilders to top bodybuilders
The whole "good genetics, good diet and training" doesn't work when that's the same for who we are comparing them to (Mike O'Hearn is a great example of this)
I trust what Platz and Yates are saying. So many people hate to admit there are genetic freaks out there and we aren't genetic freaks and it breaks our hearts. Kind of funny, I started working out in my mid teens around 1977, and sadly after some nice gains, I still had to come to terms with having shitty genetics. Right out of high school I got a job delivering milk to convenience stores, grocery stores, and restaurants. One of my former classmates who lived at the same crappy apartments I lived at came to work delivering milk at my company too. The guy wasn't carrying any fat, just a typical medium build kid. This guy turned into a literal beast just delivering f*cking milk. It wasn't a brutal job either. Moderately physical, but not brutally hard. Mainly pushing a hand truck with a couple of hundred pounds on it. Occasionally lifting it over a curb, or maybe a stair or two. We did get good leg work in because we didn't have hydraulic lift gates, we were walking up and down steps on the back of our trucks with heavy loads. This guy got so big that when we went to night clubs and we were at the age where young men are always starting shit with one another, people would accuse him of being juiced up. I saw how much genetic potential the guy had, and he couldn't even be talked into going to the gym. Lucky bastard had such good genetics he looked like a juiced up BBer by simply delivering milk. Hell, about a year after working there he had to go from a medium work shirt to an extra large to accommodate his arms. Yes, there are genetic freaks among us. I've been working out for 47 years and I'm sure not one of them.
A friend of mine went to a tom platz seminar and said tom boasted about American made anadrol and how it was the best shit and he put his leg up on a table and showed them how his hamstring just hung down...
You can see it in the physiques.
The open guys now are on grams, the guys in the 90s less, the guys in the 80s less, and the guys in the 70s less.
Yates was the turning point and where it started getting more and more ridiculous.
I'd love to read those journals
For someone that tried roids a couple of times decades ago after 10 plus years of training i can say very low doses work...but you will lose all your gains once you stop..not worth it..today after 50 plus years of training and not on any trt i still am a solid 6' 250lbs...not ripped,but arms are still in 20inch range ...at 65 its a lot harder to keep size and low body fat then in your 40s- 50's thats for sure.
I think theres another aspect that is greatly overlooked,back then they only had access to american pharmaceutical level compounds😅
Who cares whether or not Platz was telling the truth about his dosages. Everyone responds differently to drugs. It's nobody's business how much Tom was or wasn't taking.
people can say whatever they want but they forgetting one thing, nowadays bodybuilders die at age 30-40 while those mfs are still alive lol it should be enough for you to believe that they didn't blast more than they're saying they did
Good Video ! Thanks Jon !
Thx uuu
Another BANGER! Great Job Johnny
Thx uu
Ngl, I don't know any of the gear names they're saying. LOL! 🤣
I believe he grew on 700 mgs a week and added some winny and deca pre contest.
I'm glad they come out clean because I wanna effing know how to look like that even if they omit certain facts!😅
@ 6:33 Bravo nailed it. It's went from proper use to flat out abuse.
Another banger bro . Platz has always been a pathological liar. He has a need to be heard, egomaniac.
Edit: after watching the video, platz did clear some things up
I think now he cleared up things and stated details he never did before and Thanks!
As are many bodybuilders. The industry incentivizes lying. Almost no reason to be honest if you’re trying to make a living in the industry.
did you watch the video?
@@reptilian_overlord I think he was just about to because he commented when it just came out.
@@JonnyBravoTV exactly haha. I always like and comment immediately, every video is a banger.
I took very little and didn't touch steroids until my 30s and no hgh, etc..and no one even knows me so yes there are outliers