How Good was the Puma Armoured Car During WW2?
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To me, the Puma looks like it could still serve today.
I second that motion!!! 🤠👍
It does, just updated, being built here in Australia
A modern equivalent would be the South African Roikat.
Many modern armoured wheeled vehicles of modern military owe their lineage to the sdkfz234/2 puma as Americans and British used some of its strengths for their post. War military vehicles
The Spahpanzer Luchs was very similar and used in the cold war 80s.
Doesn’t matter how good it was. It looks epic and was 60 years ahead of its time.
More like 10 years...
@@kskeel1124or 6 years
give it a btr turret and an atgm and it would do well even today
They are just the coolest looking piece of kit.
shit
@@kubanskiloewe bit harsh
•(234/1) 20mm autocannon
•(234/2) 50mm L/60 KwK 39/1[1]
•(234/3) 75mm L/24 K 51
•(234/4) 75mm L/46 PaK 40
You can put the Puma in the 21st century, put a better engine, gun stabilizer, and optics (or replace the gun with a modern autocannon like Rh201, M242, or 2A42/72) and it'd be still better than most armored cars today.
_Trigger's Brush_ would be a good name for it.
There is new Puma in 21st century, just on tracks not on wheels - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puma_(German_infantry_fighting_vehicle)
@@phh2400 yeah ofc but it's an entirely different class of vehicle. The PUMA is an IFV, while the Sdkfz 234/2 Puma is a scout vehicle. It's just that most western militaries now use IFV / APC / MRAP variants as recon vehicles instead of dedicated recon vehicles.....Pretty much only France operates modern dedicated recon armored cars.
Look up the Spahpanzer Luchs, a cold war era German recon vechile.
@@user-yn9ss4kv8p no longer in use
In that case during the cold war there were plenty of nice recon cars like the Fox, BRDM, Luchs.
Fun fact, that turret was originally intended for the "Leopard" light tank.
Yes, Leopard.
"The complexity of it's design..."
Yep, that's Germany for you.
interestingly, the post war German Luchs, a similar vehicle, (no doubt proof the germans considered the big 8x8 recce vehicle the way to go) was armed with only a 20mm cannon. these vehicles were not supposed to fight, but to scout. the Luchs had another interesting feature: it was extremely silent, usually you really could only hear the tyres on the ground!!
According to something I read a while back, one of the reasons for puma's construction being stopped was the gun made some of its commanders a little too bold, acting like they were using in a real tank
Yeah was almost run over by one during a night exercise in the 80s with the Bundeswehr.
It's easy to deduce the significant influence of the Puma when you look at current vehicles like the VEC-M1, for example.
I don't believe the 234/2 'Puma' was ever intended to be an intelligence gathering vehicle at all, but rather, a mobile replacement for the towed 50mm anti-tank guns of the Reconnaissance Battalion's support company, in the same way that the 234/3 was to replace the 75mm infantry guns. The support company was tasked with opening up paths through the defensive line to enable the recon cars to penetrate the enemy position. The intended recon vehicle, the 234/1 offered much better visibility, and if you were shooting whilst on standard reconnaissance, something had gone wrong. As with most things after 1943, the best laid plans succumbed to necessity, and, just as things like the Sturmgeschütz were used instead of tanks, the 234/2 was supplied en mass to a tiny few Pz Divisions to cover critical shortages, and was forced into different, unintended roles. Interestingly, many modern day recon vehicles use a 'autocannon' style weapon similar to the 20 mm flak of the 234/1 rather than the traditional 'gun' of the 234/2.
Nothing to back these ideas up, but then, this post is also an opinion piece 😉.
I saw a soviet report once on what type weapons killed their tanks, but I have not been able find it since(maybe not real? dunno), but it showed the majority were killed by the 50mm gun. Oddly, the 20mm had a slightly higher kill percentage( 3.8%) than the 88mm which was amazingly low in the report of around 3.5% I believe. Much lower than you would think by post war talk of the 88 and tigers and such.
@@charlesfinnigan3904 Id say that report would only cover the first year or two at most of the war in the east. The 7.5cm PaK 40, the long barrel 7.5cm guns in the Panzer IV and StuG III only came into use mid 1942. The 8.8cm FLAK 37 was an AAA gun and with 4 tons nt often o likely to be where the tanks were. It had a secondary role at an AT gun, an anti artillery gun and bombardment artillery. Tiger I also a late 1942 vehicle and then only in tiny numbers.
@@charlesfinnigan3904 Many of the penetrations from 20mm was very likely, in fact, from sub calibre 37mm and 50mm rounds.
Get them back into production, Australia would love them
As would the Ukraine!!! 🤠👍🇺🇦
@@worldtraveler930FUCK UKRAINE NO MORE FUNDING
ASLAV/Boxer does about the same but the infantry almost got an IFV called the lynx which was an aussie variant of the German Puma
Lovely vehicle… wouldn’t look out of place on a modern battlefield
A bit high but ahead of its time looks like the forerunner of the rooikat Sadf vehicle developed in 1988 to 1994😊😊😊
Plus, it looks damn good.
Made an Airfix model of this way back in the 1970's. Remember reading on the back of the box how the Puma was a scourge of Allied troops in Arnhem.
I've always liked the Puma because it puts me in mind of a greyhound straining at the leash.
Put a 75 Pak 40 on it and wow!
That is the Sd.Kfz. 234/4. About 70 to 90 were build late in the war.
no, mount the 8.8 on it. pak 43. germans go big on everything eventually.
@@Frogman1943it would tip over;)
Don't like the idea much. If encountering a tank heavy enough to need a PAK 40, a lightly armored scout chassis should probably get out of Dodge. IMHO.
@@mpetrison3799 I like a PAK 40 on wheels better than a stationary position!
That's the whole concept of Tank Killer doctrine. Shoot and scoot, baby! I agree that you don't want to face a large weapon in a thin-skinned vehicle, but the M18 was just that.
Hi buddy, great video. What an interesting vehicle i need to build a model of one of these vehicles.have subscribed Cheers, Gary UK 🇬🇧
Take a look at the South African "Rooikat" 8x8 armoured car - it is a true successor to the legacy of the Puma
Totally ahead of its time.
Panzergrenadiers used them for rapid advances. It's good design is what happens when political decisions don't influence development
What do you mean?
@@runesvensson1244 The Panther's problems - being overweight - were due to political interference in the design.
When did Panzergrenadiere use these? They were organised in one of the Panzerspäh-Kompanien in the Panzer-Aufklärungs-Abteilung of a few Panzer-Divisionen towards the late war. They weren't used in any of the Panzergrenadier-Divisionen, nor in any of the Panzergrenadier-Regimenter in the Panzer-Divisionen.
You didn't mention the second backward facing driver seat, an iconic feature of this type of recon vehicles. In case of an "unpleasant" surprise a fast retreat was possible.
The problem with Germany is they were losing focus on what the vehicles were intended for. Yes the 234/2 might have racked up a nice kill ratio, but so did the M3 US halftrack with the 75mm gun mount, but was it effective in recon? I personally think they should have stuck with the 234/1. But Germany did this with everything which is part of the reason that they never actually had anything in the actual units. Who is going to make a video showing a panzer unit attacking in 1945 with Panzer III's however, there were active Panzer III's still in some panzer units at the end of the war. If they had a tank that worked, they didn't send it back to Berlin or let it go. They kept it until it was destroyed. Everyone today assumes that these Panzer Divisions had what they had on paper, they never did.
few hundred s built, none survived i think... may look cool as hell but very vulnerable
quite a few survived, most notably an entire company of about 10 vehicles surrendered at some point, there's a video on youtube of their capture
czcams.com/video/gYguCK-LeL8/video.html
Pretty slick
Great video
Its amazing😊
MG 34 not 42. Cause of barrel change mode NO german tank featers mg 42 inside.outside = ok.
The puma did have an mg 42 some of the lighter tanks were equipped with them and had special housings to be able to do the barrel swap.
Wrong. Puma's mantlet was designed to fit MG42.
This can be upgraded for today
All the ww2 german equipment looked badass
I loved your video. ThaNKYOU FOR MAKING IT.
There was a special uniform you had to wear…
Puma pants.
Shift the 50mm out with a 20-35mm autocannon and a twin or quad ATGM launcher,maybe a better engine ofc modern armour plating and it would serve well in 2024.
The Allied feared them as fast recon/ambush vehicle.
Good looking vehicle.
Didn't know it had a diesel engine. All wheel drive. Very impressive for 80years old machine. South Africa built similar machines in 80's. Wonder where they got the concept from...
From the British & French vehicles they used earlier (eg. Saladin and AML90) or saw used around them, that were themselves developed from British vehicles from WW2. The idea that ANYONE was copying German armoured car design from WW2 is just silly.
@iatsd definite similarity to Ratel
@@johnwagenhauser9835 Only if you work really really hard to ignore the entire fvcking history of both vehicles, their design, their use, and their functional roles. Then, sure. Very similar. But if you do consider ANY of those things then, no, not so much.
After all, the Puma was designed by the Germans for the Germans as a recce vehicle with no other functions, for service with armoured divisions.
Meanwhile, the Ratel was designed as an IFV, armed with a 20mm, and based on the ZA military experience of British doctrine and vehicles followed by a selection of French vehicles, all of which serve the function of delivering infantry to the fight and then supporting them directly.
But sure, "Oh look, it's got more than 4 wheels and angular armour and serves a completely different purpose - it *must* have been directly influenced by the Puma!" seems a perfectly rational thing to believe.
Does it *hurt* being *that* stupid?
@iatsd ok you're clever. Have a fantastic day.
Thanks, I've always wanted to know more about this vehicle. Small maneuverable vehicles like this are very effective and underrated. Right now the Russians are having a hard time with Bradley fighting vehicle in Ukraine.
It seems to me that they (militaries) have been chasing the Puna concept since 1943.
Especially the Russian BTR series of APC.
I liked the M114 concept, when it worked, the M113 was a lot better, but our recon vehicles just kept getting larger and larger.
Wouldn’t mind doing time with the German Wiesel Armoured Weapons Carrier.
Small, highly maneuverable and has a bite when needed.
several 8 rads are in service nowadays. the aussie ASLAV soon to be replaced by the 8x8 Boxer (the Pumas great grandchild imho)
iconic design...the first wheeled vehicle I'd like to play if introduced to WoT 🥰
THE PUMA IS A MIGHTY CAT!
Can you please do a video about the SD.KFZ 251 and its many variants.
The thing is, Soviets had ptrd anti tank rifles like locust which can easily pen the puma from any angle, so they never had a chance
Very well done subbed.
Love the video 👍👍👍 I want one
Each wheel was steerable...which was silliness in 1944. It was also the only diesel engine of German armored vehicles.
Not quite right the Pzkpfwg I Ausf. A used a Krupp diesel engine, wich was not very good.....
Wow, a 14.8LI (903 in3) V12 diesel producing 211 bhp. Modern diesels have come a long way. I have a 1.488 li which produces 105 bhp - 1/10th size but 1/2 the power (yes, I know the torque will be huge). You could get 600 bhp out of that engine today. It would be a beast of a vehicle.
Do more these type video 👍
The original Striker
Might have been an excellent vehicle for 1942 in Russia and North Africa. But I don´t see any necessarity for long range ground reconnaissance if you retreat. It was essential during the Battle of the Bulge...which was a costly defeat for Germany. Is there an example of a quick and effective raid there available?
It was litraly a beast I love to own one
SOUTH AFRICAN ROOIKAT.
The footage at 2:00 appears to be an Sd.Kfz. 234/4 whereas the Puma is the Sd.Kfz. 234/2, so that isn’t a Puma.
Germany had excellent equipment
Light years ahead of their time
3:42 "a report from october 1944" source please ?
youtube!
I'll take two thank you.
😂
I wonder if the Soviet BTR series wasn't inspired by this German design.
The predecessor of the Striker.
0:51
try to not say this is warthunder :
Imagine if they have this in afrika
there were multi wheeled armoured cars before the Puma.
Puma always wastes me in BF5.......lol
Low profile? Puma stood 10 feet tall, almost as tall as a Panther.
They made what, 100 of them? Who got them? They are great to use in games I do say that 😁
I want one.
It started out with a 20mm.
heres my problem why aren't we seeing armored cars much anymore?
I never understood why the German never adopted the 57mm from the British!
Because they had a very similar gun. The 50mm used an L60 barrel and used a 50x420mm cartridge. The British 57mm tank gun had an L43 then upgraded to L50 barrel and used a 57x441mm cartridge. Pretty similar but germany went straight from the 50mm to the powerful 75mm PaK 40 which was much better than the 57mm, and had an HE shell about 3 times more powerful than the 57mm 6 pounder.
The 5.0cm PAK 38 weighed 1063kg and was first used in combat in April 1941.
The 57mm 6 pounder entered combat in May 1942 and weighed 1140kg with L43 and the L52 1215kg.
The 7.5 cm Pak 40 entered combat service about April 1942 and weighed 1425kg.
So the 7.5cm PAK 40 gun weight only 17% more and was entering service around the same time.
The 6 pounder was an excellent gun but the Germans needed more than a 57mm could offer plus had limited tungsten to make a small gun useful.
Towards the end of the war the Germans were on the verge of introducing the 5.5cm Geraet 58 (system 58) FLAK gun which was about 57mm since German guns are quoted by ammunition diameter not barrel diameter minus rifling lands.
Lol, not sure why your telling me this, I’m a historian and I already knew everything you said to me. Also, you made a mistake. There was no such thing as a 6 pounder with an L/52 barrel. It was L/43 pre-production then it was upgraded to L/50, not L/52.
@@chadmysliviec8449 1 I was replying to the OP. 2 Wikipedia and several other sources refer to an L52 barrel. See the penetration tables. Barrel length can be measured from muzzle to breach. From muzzle to the neck of the cartridge. From muzzle to the base of the round itself. 3 you’re a professional historian? You come across like a 14-year-old war thunder historian. At least I added information such as the weight of the weapons
@@williamzk9083 I don't even know what war thunder is. You claiming that I'm a war thunder historian just looks bad for you, because you know that I got you, because their is no such thing as a 6 pounder with an L/52.
Made in Germany 😊
Simular to French Amex vehicle of 2024 ?
Looks like War Thunder
Some of this footage is from War Thunder... just saying.
It does in mexico😊
👍
Make a civilian version of this like the Hummer.
No such word as 'terrains'.
Great video, except for 'pooma'. Why is it so difficult for Americans to pronounce 'U'?
Turrent😂😂😂
tatra V8 huh....i wonder how many things from czechoslovakia helped the reich....oh you silly alies sooo much for peace of our time am i right boys?! :)
Poo-ma 😂
Poo-ma.................. LOL!
How many where build? 25?🙄
Of all 4 variants 470-500.
tin foil coffin
This thing could still destroy modern MBTs if it could shoot them at their sides. Back then, the gun was impressive, today it just means that MBT are weak on their flanks...
It's not a pooma! It's a puma. Maby learn to speak properly before making content 🤔
I like the pak 40 one in warthunder rb
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luchs_(Sp%C3%A4hpanzer) still using it
It's not a pooma! It's a puma. Maby learn to speak properly before making content 🤔