The E-Series Of Tanks - Hitler's Dream Tanks
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- German Second World War tanks are genuinely considered by some to have been much more superior to anything ever produced by the Allies. To some extent this is true and the German tanks such as the Tiger Tank, King Tiger or the Panther were significantly more technically advanced than the Sherman or the T-34. However ultimately German tank designers were let down by the sheer speed of production that engineers could get the tanks out of the factory at.
German Tank Industry during World War 2 was far too slow. One solution to this was to create a standardised series of military vehicles and tanks which would have significantly sped up the production of these important weapons of war. The E-Series was this planned series of vehicles however they would ultimately never reach the battlefields as they came far too late in the conflict.
Join us today as we look at the Entwicklung Series of Tanks, or Hitler's Dream Tanks, The E-Series.
CORRECTION - Panzer II shown instead of Panzer III. (Apologies)
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Hi all - Thanks for stopping by. Apologies for an error in this video around the 3 minute mark showing the wrong Panzer. I've shown a Panzer II when I meant to show a Panzer III. Nightmare. When I made this it was after a looooong day at work. Thanks all. (Stay tuned for more tank content this week!)
all good still a great video nonetheless
You forgot the e-5 tank
Nice having the thumbnail being the annoying roach
Loved the video dude!
Got yourself a new subscriber!
Atleast their was a pz 3 picture behind it
First E-boys, E-girls, now E tanks? What’s next
E-books and E-cars.
E-Planes
E-tanks were first
Eee by gum, thar be Eee boats
What about ree-tards
Rated E for: Excessive weight
Lmao
Rated E for: empty fuel tanks
Rated E for: Excessive transmission stress
Rated E for: Excessive Soviet infantry and tanks
*Excessiveness
When Germans finally tried to solve their overengineering of things, they overengineered it...
I swear I was thinking that! Thats exactly how they resolve things. A british engineer once said "Germans engineers are great solving problems, that they themself created" LMAO
Germans overengineering is a narrative,look where they got.What beat them were american Lendlease and russian numbers.
When your brains are too ahead of your timeline and you get the ahead of time penalty.
There was no overengineering. The reason for the low production rate was the lack of ressources and fuel. That's why it didn't made sense for the Germans to use assembly lines for their tanks like americans and russians.
@@dude861 so true, also the massive air-raids causes a lot proplems. Think 'bout that, it takes the west-allies and the soviets to stop the German Military. What if it was one vs. one, none of them will make it. And today, like in the past, German Tanks are one the best, if not the best. Look at the Leopard II A7 'n ya know what i mean. The Puma is also a nice concept, only sayin'.
world war 2: E edition
In short: WW2:EE
*E.*
Underrated comment,needs more likes lOl
Why is your profile pic of Mussolini?
No,
World War 2: Extended Cut/Edition
The ,E, stands for Entwicklung (Development)
I thought they were being environmentally conscious and having electric (E) tanks to reduce their carbon footprint kinda of destruction but in an environmentally responsible way so the greens wouldn’t object , this is an idea that could have legs 😁👍🏻
@@dickiedollop that's funny... but i don't think Hitler and his engineers gave a fcc about environment to be honest... people just didn't know climate change exists back in the 1930's and 1940's
@@txotumiii8073 lol I know I was just supposing the fuhrer in the bunker berating his generals for running oil burners and the effect on people’s health/environment it would be a good comedy sketch 😁
@@dickiedollop agreed! Plus i got a question: your German is good... do u speak German? (Wenn ja bitte antworten:D)
@@txotumiii8073 Nein (if that’s spelt correctly) no sorry my friend my command of languages barely covers the English language ! What part of the world are you from ?
Every heavy tanks nightmare, E25
*Annoying roach*
As heavy tank WZ 111 , I’d say the Amx is most t annoying
@@SomeOne-oh7cg so many kinds of amx's dude which one do u mean
Especially for kv2 because kv2 gun depression is not enough to reach e25 cupola
@@60tpbrrrrtgaming And smasher and annhilator from anywhere except front
A Russian friend of mine tells me that on his first day as a Red Army recruit , his drill sergeant explained: "Do you know why the USSR won the Great Patriotic War? Because you could repair a T-34 with a hammer, pliers and some baling wire!".
And Americans could swap the spark plugs from a jeep or truck with a Sherman.
I thought it was because of excessive manpower and excessive military aid from the us and uk
Ofc, not because of allied bombing
no ussr won the war becouse germany failed to capture oil fields before anything else you said
@@ducklingchief8289 Allied bombing wasn’t that major until 1944, by which point the Germans were already fucked in east for a year.
Still, USSR couldn’t have done it without massive fuel, food, clothes, tanks and planes shipments from Americans.
They ran out of oil. Even with the aid of the U.S.A and Britain backing up the Soviets, Germany very nearly won the war. They captured Maikop, had they captured Grozny, and cut the Volga, the U.S.S.R would have likely collapsed within a year. And it was the U.S.S.R, that beat Nazi Germany through sheer manpower reserves. For every Soviet Army the Germans destroyed, there were two more in reserve. By the time the Allies arrived in Normandy, the war was already over for the Nazis.
“The E-25 would replace the Pz 3 and 4” *shows panzer 2*
If I am right, that's actually panzer III, but with a turret of panzer II, not 100% sure.
@@ilija4909 if that’s true that would be pretty cool for a pz II turret to be on the chassis of a pz III
@@ilija4909 that's a panzer II through and through, both hull and turret.
@@christianforsstrom2222 Yes, you are
right.
You can easily tell them apart. The Panzer II had five road wheels, the Panzer III had six.
6:20 just like to point out the Maus turret was NEVER planned for the E-100 the turret was WAY too heavy for the hull, the E-100's turret never left drawing phase and is currently only correctly represented in World of Tanks.
War thunder...
@@cromux3191 There's a reason I didn't say WarThunder because WarThunder has it WRONG
@@JetfireQuasar just curious, whats the difference between the turret in WoT and WT
@@szymonchlebicki4606 Warthunder has the MAUS turret
WoT has the paper mock up turret that was planned
@@JetfireQuasar can you link the world of tanks one because i can only find a turret identical to the war thunder maus tank.
I'm pretty sure the gun was 128mm, not 127 ...
I agree with that.
it is
It's still 5 inches
@@yi_hou3092 that's what she said ...
I mean it’s 1 mm so who cares lol
I read an interview from a German tank commander and he said " one of our German tanks is better than ten American tanks, but you always seemed to have eleven"!
If the war extended, America would already make heavy tanks better than their Pershing and the IS-7 will be in there
There was always the issue of reliability though. Mobility and transportability were also factors.
@@Tanker000 when only 20 Pershing’s saw combat and 3 of them got knocked out it
There was a story of a tiger or panther that took on a fleet of Sherman’s and won
@Wyatt Ingram issue being those tanks would just have been bombed Germany was not winning no matter what they do and these tanks cost fuel which Germany had none left by the end of the war
Germany was just fighting too many people at once and their enemies just had more shit to throw at a problem
a huge amount of fear for the enemy tanks, a huge amount of joy for the enemy bombers...
Deep
Flak am I joke to u ?
Bfs are we a joke to u as well ?
@@1-2y29 Late war the bfs weren't a problem anymore
@@1-2y29 ww2 anti aircraft was pretty bad at actually killing planes it was mainly deterrent
Except it never would have "rolled over the horizon" because there were few bridges that could even support the Tiger II.
E100 would've exceeded the weight limit of the German horizon.
@@LoisoPondohva
Challenged Goering for the German horizon.
They tried to stick the E-50 (panther)'s engine into the E-75 (Heavier KT) like bruv do you want a tank or a campfire
@@peepeepoopooman1953 Yes, it would have gotten pretty warm in the engine compartment! The Germans just didn't have the engines they needed for the tanks they wanted to build. The war was lost by 1943 and the Nazi high command knew it.
@@ToddSauve yeah, this was a video made by a german fanboy who doesnt understand armored warfare at its slightest
Heard elsewhere Tiger was a breakthrough tank, meant to be used sparingly where needed.
The mechanical service time required was acceptable for that role, but not as a main battle tank although necessity demanded it be just that.
So it broke down often and drained resources being maintained
yeah the tiger was a good tank for what it was designed for
The tiger II was unreliable. The Tiger 1 was not. It was just a nightmare to work on when you needed to. Common misconception.
yep, basically the german command crippled their military forces between making terrible strategic and tactical decisions to the fact that instead of making more reliable easier to manufacture equipment they got obsessed with heavier more complex wonder weapon heavy tanks. which insured half their equipment broke down before it ever saw the enemy.
@@borderreaver4615 compared to other tanks it was.
The engine was underpowered, transmission prone to failure, lacking resources meant sub standard final gears etc.
And it was a nightmare to service as a cherry on top.
@@fgjfjdfghjsfghjsfj the engine wasn't underpowered. It was quick for how heavy it was. Compare it to the kv-1. And the transmission wasn't weak. That was the panther and king tiger. You lack knowledge on the subject.
that's a Pz II at 3:04, not a Pz III
I know mate, realised i’d made a bit of an error after publishing. It’d be a long day before I made this last night haha!
@@TheUntoldPast That's no excuse! You have to identify on sight all NAZI tanks and types, or the NAZI tank NAZIS will call you out for your mistake. They're worse than grammar NAZIS.
@@richardm3023 Why are you capitalizing the word nazi?
@@RuthlessCrawdad He's Just Making sure that he is a nazi also
@@richardm3023 Most people watching this can identify that's a panzer ii
Germans: "We need to make cheaper and easier to produce tanks so we can match the rate of construction of the Russians".
Also Germans: "Let's do the E-100"
Also also Germans: "Yes, and the E-10, the E-20, the E-30, the E-40, the E-50, the E-60... I mean, we need several types because reasons".
Speer: *blood pressure audibly rising*
To be fair, one of the neat things about the E-Series was that the transmissions and suspension systems on all of them were using a modular system with completely interchangeable parts. The bigger vehicles just used more of the same modules than the smaller ones.
The E - series was to replace everything prior, what did you expect ?
It's normal to have different vehicules for different roles, those that try to do too many generally fail at evrything.
The soviet had a wide arsenal of vehicules, perhaps more so than the germans : the T-34 variants, KV - 1 variants, KV 85, SU - 122, 76, 85 (M), 122P, 152, 100 (post war), ISU - 122, 122S, 152, T-70, T-80, IS-1, IS-2 (mod 1943 and 44), american and british things, as well as captured german stuff, many gun trucks and so on...
@@Spido68_the_spectator Yes, but the Russians didn't have their factories in bombing range like Germany...
The E-10 was not supposed to *replace* the Hetzer, it *was* the Hetzer. Due to a misunderstanding in the Škoda Works, this project name for the intended *replacement* of the Jagdpanzer 38 was regarded as *new name* of the Jagdpanzer 38. While the misunderstanding was sorted out fairly quickly, this wrong nickname never fully disappeared again. And so it was used as the main name of the Jagdpanzer 38 in post-war literature.
How the hell did you manage to use bold type in your comment? That is all we care about son!
tutel 🐢🐢
It was called hetzer by the Czechs no?
The Germans were perfectionists. If even so much as a rivet was out of place the tank would go back to be fixed. Meanwhile, Russians were pumping out t-34s and could care less if it was covered with spot-welds.
The German war industry was capitalist to its core; the manufacturer's main concern was turning a profit, not winning a war. More cost effective - and ultimately more effective - weapons of war were born out of necessity, not because it was the sensible thing to do. StuG III and IV are stellar examples.
@@RedOrm68 not so sure the manufacturer is worried about a profit under a dictatorship state? Hitler pretty much owned everything, one way or another, if he wanted to.
It was a war Germany alone wouldn't ever win.
I watched a video were the Germans while working on a submarine used a file to remove steel. Then showed an American doing it with a grinder.
The Russians had a enough man, material and oil to spare. The Germans not.
@@RedOrm68 our entire economy was planned stateowned economy. Our government had before the War legions of Workers they could send anywhere and teenage boys were send to supplement farmwork. Adolf opened and closed and subsidized what he wanted to. Capitalist lol capitalism means independence from the government
Just look at the design of these “E series” tanks - they don’t even have rotating turrets! It really shows how the German mentality had switched from offense to defense: these vehicles were meant to be mobile platforms for anti-tank guns that fought from cover rather than an armored first that smashed enemy lines!
Not that it would have mattered if they were ever produced in numbers - they would just be targets for bombers since the Luftwaffe had pretty much ceased to exist by the time these things came off the drawing board…
American resources wiped out the luftwaffe
Tanks have a rotating turret ..... self propelled guns do not .....The E series were self propelled guns .
E-10 and E-25 didn't have turrets. E-50 and E-75 did.
Damn I wish this legends was produced and displayed in meseum if survived.
Just looking by the design its already a beauty( my own opinion)
I agree with you here! Some of these vehicles were certainly superb looking.
@@TheUntoldPast yeah, sure, but you must always remember, if these were made, the nazis would have been closer to winning, and more human life would have been lost. And most of all, this is a NAZI tank, so we must be happy theses bad boys never rolled out of the factory.
@@minecraftshiporama211 Its a German tank. No machine was a Nazi. BEsides, we're talking about prototypes in late 1944. The writing was already on the wall for Germany at this point. They hadnt the fuel, steel or manpower to field these in any meaningful numbers.
If anything, it was BETTER for the allies that Germany continued trying to build more and more advanced machines. IF they had focused on simply building the fuck out of the PZ4 series and refined the Panther a bit better, it would have been a much more effective use of their limited war materials.
@@foughtwolf If they just up and quit all production of everything and made a single P.1000 they would have ended it real quick!
@@logantc.1353 No. The rat is a shit Idea, and with the powerplants avalible, it would never move if it were to weight 1000 tonnes, probably more, because the turret from the ship they planned to use, weighed 600~ tonnes by itself
I personally think Germany's core problem with their entire military was fuel shortage, sure you can build your standardized tanks, jet aircraft, and advanced submarines enemy, but if you can't fuel them, they're essentially useless.
Germany core problem was thinking that the tactics of the CSA were a good way to win a war strategically
Also logistics were terrible
Perhaps they shouldve looked into electric engines, or turbine powered tanks. Idk
Interesting video. Glad to see the E5 wasn't included as it was only ever mentioned in one post war interview as far as I know. However there are images available of the E100 hull that could have been used. But a great video! Thank you!
Why no pictures of E100 from WOT, and real history pictures of E100 hull being almost completed by the Brits?
they didnt, it was used for scrap metal
Pipe dream tank
@blueboywhitie well they scraped everything that was able to be scrapped since they were broke asf
There are a bunch of pictures of the E100's hull that are real. I don't get why he didn't show those. There was also a special turret designed for it.
@blueboywhitie nice to know
Although looks similar, Hetzer's chassis is not identical to the 38(t)'s. The width, for instance, is 49cm wider.
They’re 38t chassis that are stretched. It’s like saying a F-150 with a 6 foot bed is completely different then a F-150 with a 8 foot bed
Even if the E-series had come earlier and were a succes, they were doomed from the start.
The German war machine had a much greater, general problem throughout the entire war: it was extremely thirsty for fuel. With Germany lacking domestic oil reserves, they were fully dependent on oil from conquered territory and/or allies. Both of which were in increasingly short supply as time went by, meaning Germany was on dire straights.
Germany tried to resolve to synthetic fuel from coal, but that proved complex, costly and quite inefficient. Not to mention industrial facilities being destroyed by continuous Allied bombing raids. By the end of the war, fuel was in such short supply, most remaining tanks and vehicles were abandoned, simply because their fueltanks were dry. The war was being lost due to lack of juice, too. The Battle of the Bulge for example, a last resort attempt on turning the war in favour of Germany, relied greatly on the capture of allied fuel supplies. Which failed. Grinding the attack to a standstill within days, resulting in imminent defeat. Even with E-series tanks, Germany was doomed too fail.
Absolutely correct
Theres always that one comment that explains how X never wouldve worked.
Id argue had history changed you have no clue what wouldve happened. If germany started with the E series then many MANY factors must also change. Unless u just say ok what if they just said E series and went with it.
Its kind of like the argument if u could time travel and warn people about pearl harbor would it actually end up being worse for the world. U could warn be successful and suddenly the ships sail out and are moved. Forcing japan to not attack as planned or not attack at all. Keeping america out of the war longer.
Theres also the idea of what if murica joined the axis. Thats a fun topic to explore
I drive a German E series and can totally relate.
Yeah,i hate the fact that they named cars like E100,like,its annoyng as heck,i just want to see a ww2 tank not a stupid car!
this is the first video ive seen on your channel, very impressed so subbed and liked.
loved the way you mixed in models, real footage and photographs from modern times and war time.
(bloody good model maker whoever done those models/dioramas in the vid)
"E100 would have inspired fear in the enemy" - Until about 5 minutes later when the royal artillery or air force send it a gift basket
Yes
Very true
CAS wouldn't be effective against it, as it probably would have airsupport when ever used, or a friendly Kugelblitz along side.
Artillery? Yeah artillery doesnt work like that buut okay.
@@Marly375i why didn't Tiger IIs get air support or Kugelblitzes then?
"Would've", yeah. If Hitler hacked the game for unlimited resources.
By the time those designs would've gone into production Germany wouldn't have fuel, nickel, copper, steel, rubber, and, for that matter, pilots.
@@Marly375i
An Artillery shell hitting the top of it would have gone through and liquified the crew inside it.
If they hit the track? They'd blow it off. Now the Infantry can walk at a nice pace around it, because the turret traverse is so shit, climb on top and throw a Gammon Bomb down the hatch.
Me as a WoT B Player: *sees thumbnail*
Also me: *has PTSD flashbacks of E25s Facehuggimg my Tanks with no Gun Depression amd losing all my HP*
Ye
E25 is smachers worst nightmare
I found your mixture of historical videos and modern collections to be a really well-balanced presentation you ventured a couple guesses here and there but made no ill-conceived ventures into the unknown I like how you stuck historically relatively to the facts I enjoyed what you did greatly thank you very much
I’m not a big video gamer, but I do occasionally play Tank Blitz on my tablet and all these E tanks are well presented in the game. I do read a lot about WWII and had heard of the E series tanks but had never seen images of them. Kudos to the Tank Blitz team for putting some pretty decent research into the game.
The overlapping wheels were severely criticized. Easily damaged, and extremely difficult and time consuming to repair. Many Panther models also had engine problems. The engine was very difficult to remove and replace, taking almost an entire day.
And in Russia, they became clogged with mud, which then froze overnight, immobilising the tanks.
I think you're confusing interlaced and overlapped wheels.
Tiger 1 and Panther used interlaced, then Tiger 2 introduced the overlapped wheels whoch were much easier to maintain and more reliable
Whenever I encounter information about German tank designs, special projects and wonder weapons, I always find myself questioning what kind of strange world of propaganda and overconfidence these engineers must have been living in.
In a situation where your quality steel production is diminished due to limited access, your copper and aluminum is running low, your rubber access is dwindling, how do you even consider making these behemoths like E-75s and E-100's and MAUS. I know I have the benefit of hindsight in this consideration, but I just don't understand how anyone could look at a war on such a scale and not consider the long-term ramifications of supply. I understand that the E series was meant to be a simplification of designs so that multiple vehicles would all be using a large collection of the same interchangeable parts, but I don't understand the overall fetish with such large and heavy designs.
I recall Nicholas "The Chieftan" talking about the American M4 design, acknowledging it's flaws, but also pointing out that it was a vehicle designed for operation in literally every theatre of the war; in frigid cold, tropical, desert, urban, forests and mountains, was built with the idea that every single unit had to be shipped somewhere by boat (which introduced weight and size limits), and was still "good enough" while being mass produced on a scale that was unheard of during that time. The Russians had a similar philosophy in the designs of the T34, even though their country had literally just suffered through Stalin's industrialization programs and their engineers and factories were somewhat inexperienced, they made a tank that was "good enough" on a ridiculously large scale of manufacture.
When you consider the sloping on the M4 hull gave it an armor strength (from the front ~100mm) comparable to a Tiger (~100mm vertical armor) which was a much heavier and bulkier design, and that it could be deployed more easily over bridges and terrain that would have impeded the Tiger, it puts war stories of the fabled Tiger tank in a different light. Sure the M4 gun wasn't as good in many respects, but that was mostly an ammunition problem and could be solved by iteration with the 76mm gun, and to be fair, most of the German vehicles that were encountered were Panzer 4 and Stug designs that had approximately 50 to 75mm of protection. My point here is that the overall design of the M4 didn't need to change drastically to accommodate upgrades that kept the tank relevant in the later war, while German philosophy was to produce entirely different models to carry progressively larger guns. If they had simply improved the Panzer 4 with a sloped armor design and up-rated the gun to the long-75 mm used by the PAK-40 it would have had increased survivability and firepower to combat the M4 and T34 tanks, while being easier to produce than the larger Panzers.
I feel like if German engineers and factory production had been focused on minimizing resource costs, making efficient and stable designs that were suitable for their needs instead of focusing on the "grandeur" of these overly large and complex vehicles, their tank forces would not have been so overwhelmed by the numbers of Allied vehicles. It always seemed odd to me that so many different chassis and models existed for the German forces in comparison to many other nations, and I do recognize a lot of the mid-war refits of Czech tanks and French tanks were just a method of making use of captured resources in a practical way. I just find it very interesting that even toward the end of the war, the German designs were still attempting to have specialized models for different purposes instead of having as single 'general purpose' tank that could fit into any required role well enough. Even before resource considerations the E-75 and E-100, Kingtiger and Mause projects should all have been canceled for sheer size and weight limitations for the environment in which they would see combat; most bridges would be impossible to cross and their height and weight make them incredibly poor at concealment or traversing muddy terrain. I know that this 'concept' kind of comes later in our history with the designation of the MBT, but it has early roots in both the M4 and the T34 philosophies.
I often hear historians speak to the "fear" that would be imposed on an enemy as they witness a Maus, E-75, E-100, or Kingtiger on the battlefield and I wonder where this notion comes from. Were there historical records that mention "fear" as being an intended consequence of the design from the German side? Whenever this comes up, I cannot help but picture cartoonishly overconfident engineers chatting about how their design is so intimidating that it will never have to fight because its opponents will just give up on sight of the thing.
Couldnt u just say that u dont like it?
Man. Wow write a book in future! :)
You should make CZcams tank videos, you are knowledgeable and i enjoyed reading your opinion
Most of the Projects were to keep adolf happy
It's always seemed to me like German decision making was the least concerned with economics and logistics out of all the participants in the war. Their approach was heavily based on planning successful operations, and relying on their operational doctrine to carry the battles. It was antithetical to design a tank that maximized numbers of useful tanks on the field; instead they wanted specialized tools for each job. It is very telling that in Fall 1941, the Germans were planning to decrease war-related production, since they had domestic considerations in mind for a post-Barbarossa time.
Love the fact that the picture used for the E-10 is from Paolo Parente's Dust 1947.
2:55 HERE COMES THE ROACH
LMFAO
I love the images from World of Tanks.
Yeah....they made a really good job on their tank models.....but that is litterally the only thing WG came up with.
Such an underrated channel. Keep up the great work!
Brilliant idea, super heavy tanks, why didn't anybody else ever think of it before? This literally reminds me of a comic book back in the 1970's called CARtoons. Two guys jack up the suspension on a pickup truck over 15 feet, the one asks the other, why didn't anybody ever think of doing this before. Then they roll out on the road and cause a traffic jam at the very first underpass with height restriction. Most bridges from that era had a max. 40 ton load limit. Same with dock cranes, 40 ton max. That's why the American's weren't shipping super heavy tanks, they had the prototypes but wouldn't put them in production.
The thumbnail gave me PTSD cuz i always get killed by that tank in world of tanks blitz
You must playing with bad deppresion and long gun tank
thats why he have Severe depression
Well mein Fuher you see, the E 50M is smooth, fast, strong and accurate.
Tank Vendor - 1944.
Nah, E 50M is weak. :p
@@PsychedeliKompot best game was 5k dmg, 6 kills and 4,5k block. Pretty tough tank even before the buff.
@@miguelmontenegro3520 I was referring to the QB meme. Just youtube search "E50M is weak".
@@PsychedeliKompot QB really felt sorry after some games lol
Hetzer. A perfect product of Czech-German engineering. Czechs gave a good chassis end engine, Germans armor and gun.
Video: The E25 Jagdpanzer
WOT players: *Sounds of terror fade in*
Me in my bp . Hmmm tasty target
there was a " similar " plan for the Kriegsmarine - H class or plan Z which was a series of battleship designs based on displacement , starting with the H 39 class of ships , but this plan , although started in the late 1930's was also halted " prematurely".
As a note of interest , the H 44 series of ships would have had main guns larger in calibre than the Japanese Yamato series of Battleships at 50.8 cm (20.0 in)
I mean really they should've just kept pumping out panzer 3's and 4's and just bolt or welded on spaced armour. They could have made an standard engine across the board of the panzer 3's and 4's. I watched a video and it was mentioning how when Germany kept improving the panzer 4 and adding variants there were a lot of main parts changed and basically designed as new panzer 4's as it were just with the hull being standard. Hardly any of the parts were interchangeable through the versions. There was so much that they could've done to improve production and models made earlier but just didn't. As was mentioned in this video. If they had just done what the US and USSR did they may have had even more of an impact.
Didn’t that same exact video also explain why that wouldn’t have done jack diddly except run out the Wehrmacht fuel reserves faster than they were already draining? What good is an extra ~15,000 tanks/tank destroyers with no fuel to get them running?
Your reasons are good but your choices are partially wrong. Indeed the Pz.Kpfw. IV should have been built more, but the Pz.Kpfw. III, nah.
It's gun became out of date and it's role was transition to the Pz.Kpfw. IV.
What Germany dud do well but didn't do the best was shift all Pz.Kpfw. III production to StuG III production. Germany did this well but they should have done more.
The Pz.Kpfw. IV and StuG III were by far the workhorses of their armored units mid to late war.
For the parts changed, it's not too much of a problem. For the Pz.Kpfw. III. Ausführung A-E had the big changes like addition of thick armor, different gun, etc. You are correct on the engines. For the Pz.Kpfw. IV, it's the same thing, early models dealt with heavy change as they Germans understood a better role for this tank like adding the longer 75mm gun to engage enemy tanks. Ausführung H and J mainly consisted of downgrades and removing unnecessary things to ease production.
@@jerryudonneedtoknow3903 I suppose you are right.
That's easy to say but there's a good reason as to why Germany never really mass produced any tanks on the same scale as the us or ussr ( be it the pz 3,4s or the e series). You have to take into account what state Germany was in at the war in 1943/44. Germany was losing significant territory along with manpower. This combined with a shortage of raw materials ans oil (which Germany started of with at the very beginning of the war) makes it clear as to why Germany never mass produced any tanks.
The P.1000 Ratte and the Gustav laughing: nothing like us eh? XD
Outstanding video....PLEASE post more!!!
None of these vehicles would’ve made a bit of difference unless they had a dramatic increase in production. That’s what they needed they didn’t even really need to change design they just needed more of them.
Tank numbers were limited by the oil capacity/shortage. Having more tanks, but being unable to supply them with fuel would be a mistake. Therefore germans tried to compensate their disadvantage in numbers, by having tanks superior to their common enemys, mainly shermans, T34“ and their different variants.
@@stoned2494 Germany's army was supplied by the large oil fields of Romania in the beginning of the war. Oil shortages became a problem after the Romanian government capitulated to the Soviets.
@@JackoBanon1 Yes and wie speak absolut the E-Series of Tanks, which where planned 1942 and wouldnt have seen production for multiple years to come. None the less the fact that rumanian oil wasnt enough to supply the insane demand.
Looking at the later years of war, often times the fact of missing trained crew, missing ressources like rubber or tungsten and bombed factories is ignored.
In 1945 there was no hope for a victorious counter attack.
well to be fair, the capacity was there. they mass produced simple vehicles like the hetzer and stug III, so yea a simple to create e50 would be produced in the thousands as well
I think the E 10 could also have been a replacement for Jagdpanzer IVs and StuG variants as well. Good video.
Hetzer was replacement for stugs and jagdpanzers 4
this series is one of the most played in world of tanks.
Yep....the cockroaches
Beautifully made, I'm very happy with what you've presented here!
Great video and all but the Panzer III you show is actually a Panzer II, I've been to the Tank Museum where the footage is taken from, (it's the same place where you got the Panzer IV, Panther and Tigers from, it's Bovington)
Edit: saw the pinned comment
If the E tanks had gone into production, then it would have been E tanks instead of PzIVs, Panthers, and Tigers out of commission due to air attacks and fuel shortages. Once Germany failed to defeat USSR in Barbarossa, the end was inevitable, regardless of what tanks they fielded.
Russia and Britain couldn’t win it was American resources read lend lease.
One of my favorite videos you’ve made! Thank you !
I love that you took pictures from world of tanks
The lower production rate of german tanks is caused by the lack of resources as well as fuel. That's why it didn't made any sense for the germans to use assembly lines for their tank production like americans and russians did. If you don't have enough resources to build a lots of tanks and also if you don't have the fuel to actually use a lots of tanks (if you produced them), then handmade is better than assembly lines, since it's easier to adjust and to improve. It's just more flexible. That's why they had the best tanks in the final years of war.
Thank fucking god. It took me this long to find a comment with common sense.
Two Maus tanks were completed during the war. When they were scuttled by the German Army, the hull on one was completely destroyed while the turret was destroyed on the other. The remaining hull was sent to the UK while the remaining turret was taking by the USSR.
No, two hulls were complete and only 1 turret, the turret and the better of the two hulls were taken by the USSR which were later put together and is now stored in a museum, the other hull was taken and scrapped by the UK
@@azik5607 Maus is at Kubinka museum in Russia
The Germans DID produce the E Series of tanks and tank destroyers. They just had to wait until the 1960's to do it.
Gets ready to get a e100 for a present*
Totally different suspension. Leopard 1 (E50 - actually lighter than 50to) and KaJaPa (E25) use torsion bar, the E-series used conical springs. Also staggered wheels and dead/slack teack where the post WW2 ones used Pershing style dual wheels and live tracks. Diesel, not petrol. Bigger guns (105 and 90mm)
I wish you would have shown pictures of the E100 when you were talking about it, not the Maus. Otherwise: nice vid! :)
A point to consider is that the tank advancements seen throughout the war was because of the war its where the concepts came from, experiences on the battlefield meaning there's no way that they could have been built before the war
E50 seems like a very reasonable and probably highly effective design. I would just stick with that one and disregard the two heavier versions.
The E25 also seems like the idealized light tank. Fast, cheap, and versatile.
@@Attaxalotl yeah seems reasonable as well but the missing turret means less flexibility.
@@TheDude50447 But wasn't the up-gunned STUGs the most potent tank on the German side?
@@DutchGuyMike Dont know actually. But no matter how good a turretless design is its always less flexible than a turreted tank. Especially on the offensive.
@@TheDude50447 Since Russian tanks always had the go-ahead to engage even Panthers, but if a squadron of STUGs were reported they were often ordered to not engage them?
Wow!!..those E25 SERIES hauntingly resemble our modern day US ABRAMS tanks😱
Uh what?
I got a Porsche ad on this video lmao. Thanks, Ferdinand.
What is the name of the background music in your video?
Good video. They always say that German tanks were produced too slowly and that they had reliability issues. But the German factories were constantly bombed and they ran out of resources / materials. As a result they could not develop nor produce fast enough and that forced the Germans to rush tanks into service with teething problems. Americans and Russians could produce so many tanks because their industries were never bombed and their supplies and supply routes were never disrupted either. And when you don't need to repair your factories all the time, it is easier to focus on improving the production process.
no, german production increased throughout the war. the bombing had very little effect (infact slowing the allied down far more than the germans), the tanks were rushed due to losses in the field.
german production was lower long before the bombing started, and thats because of how it was set up, very littel standardisation and no production lines (the same set of workers worked on a tank from start to finish). and not fully mobilising the economy. albert speer started to change this, but by that point they had supply issues.
Germany never had the resources to win WWII. This has been explained multiple times. Germany entered a fight it could never win.
Imagine, they would have put a sloped front on the Stugs from the beginning, like on the Hetzer, their stats would be even more impressive.
a little error on the gun that the E-100 would've used. it would have used a 128mm long rifled AT gun, specially made for the E-100 series that had a reconfigured quick fire mechanism with an autoloading system replacing the standard single shot gun ramming system. same gun and autoloading system would've been used on the Waffentrieger Auf E-100 on it's exact same 128mm armament.
I’m a very new subscriber as of 10mins ago about. I live the content. & explanations etc etc etc. 🤗.
would have been nice if he also talked about how much armor each tank would have.
They barely got passed the concept stage, so we don’t know how much armor they would have had.
Based on weight and size you could expect the E-10 to have just a hair but more armor than the hetzer. The hetzer was about 16 tons, but its shorter than the e-10 was gonna be. If also bet that the sides and top would get more attention than the front, since the 60mm of angled steel on the front of the hetzer was enough to stop 75mm AP shells. The sides could could be penned by light autocannons and the top was vulnerable to .50 cal fire.
I’d bet the E-10 gets a bit of additional side and top armor, but keeps the 60mm if frontal armor.
The E-25 would basically be a sleeker looking jagdpanzer IV. Since that tank weighs 24 tons, you could expect the e-25 to get additional armor. Probably around a total of 100mm steel on the front. Which should be enough to stop basically anything the allies throw at it, only Soviet 122mm could pen it at close range. And 17 pounder APDS
The E-50 would just be ridiculous. Panther tanks weighed around 45 tons. The tiger II weighed 68 tons. So the e-50 should have around the same amount of protection as the tiger II, maybe a bit less. Still more than enough to laugh off anything that’s thrown at its frontal armor.
Honestly I don’t know why they’d bother with anything heavier. They’re not gonna gain anything from it.
The E-75 would basically be a smaller maus.
The E-100 is basically just a maus
I guess the E-10 came to fruition in the postwar 90mm self propelled gun/raketenpanzer
KaJaPa and the mechanical identical Jaguar are 25to vehicle, classic suspension etc. Actually a spin of from the Marder IFV development, branching of before the third set of prototyoes
@@mbr5742yeah the marder/jaguar/(and cancelled RU-251) standard chassis mirrors the E-25 (which also was intended to have TD, APC and Lt/recon varients)
So would the E25 have been a Stug 3/4 type vehicle or would it also have come in a "standard" turreted version? Would the E50 have come in a turretless destroyer version like the Jagdpanther?
Are there any decent books on this series of tanks?
the smol turret on the e25 is also the smol turret on the jgpz e100
They don't have turrets tho
@@vasilymelnikov7346 he's talking about the little turret on the roof of the tanks.
6:48
What are these "tunns" you are talking about?
Is this another unit of weight?
Yes one Tonne is in Germany a version of weigth one Tonne is 1000 killo gramms
@@donnermann4419
I know what a metric ton is. 😉
I made a joke about his pronunciation of the word.
Some of the Entwicklung series tanks would’ve changed the course of the war like the E50 M. They should’ve have considered the series earlier
Nice video 👍 what Panzer museum is this?
Those e25 is pain in the ass for medium and heavy tank.. They will circle around you till your tank blows 😂
In wot yes, in irl it shouldnt rush like in a video game, but use its size as concealment and punch enemy vechicles in the rear from a medium distance.
Bare in mind, another of Mr Hitlers dreams was a under Atlantic Railway (for after he had "somehow" conquered the Americans). His "immense tactical genius" existed only in his tiny, tiny little mind.
Bear in mind*
Do you have a source for that railway?
His "tiny, tiny, (you forgot that) little mind" was far bigger and better than yours. The distance between genius and madness is only measured in success.
@@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692 you know I checked it up and it's in fact even more deluded then I thought. The railway went to America through Russia and under the Bearing sea to Alaska. Another branch went across central Asia to India.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitspurbahn
@@josephlongbone4255 It doesn't even mention the US.
In fact it was a brilliant concept, about technology that was adopted DECADES later for German highspeed rail and San Francisco's BART system...
So yeah, this little talk ends here.
@@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692 I suppose Anchorage is in Russia is it?
The problem with Mr Hitler's wacky plan is that he expected the "weak-willed" British to just surrender (Which went well); the "subhumans Slavs" to be replaced by good Germans (which went well) and I don't even know what his plan was for the Americans but it wouldn't have worked.
Personally I'd say the measure of his "genius" would be if his grand plans succeeded which they didn't. If you want evidence as to the fact that he was a idiot, the British cancelled Operation Foxley, which was their plan to assassinate him on the grounds that Hitler's decision-making was so consistently terrible that he was more of a threat to the German war effort if they left him alive...
@@josephlongbone4255 Last reply: It doesn't mention Anchorage, or anything about the US.
Reading AND comprehending is hard, I know...
1:50 if you live in duxford (the village you get a significant discount at the IWM duxford museum), the tank section is my favourite though with the number of german tanks they have.
like your stuff, but pretty sure the "panzer 111" at 3:06 is a mk 11
Problem with the E100 - you'd need a tank recovery vehicle that could handle it.
Did the E-25 have a two second shell loading time, as well as being literally and physically invisible if behind a bush or at a distance greater than 200m away from it's enemy?
This is a video I have been looking for for very long.
great videos! One very small nit-pick, I would say 'produced' or 'manufactured' instead of 'created'.
Great video !!!
Thanks mate!
There's still a problem in that even the E 50 would have been too heavy for the majority of bridges, seriously limiting it's deployment.
Neither is there any guarantee that the E series would have been any more reliable than their predecessors, and given their weights they would have been thirsty, and this at a time when Germany was very short of fuel.
I'd postulate that Germany would have been better producing large numbers of Panzer IVs and/or similar vehicles, but their command seemed fixated on "wonder weapons" and wasted resources on developing those when resources were becoming more and more scarce. Their inflexibility was their downfall.
For the axis E50 was more of a super panther but for the allies its just another heavy tank that can accelerate faster and go faster than the Tigers
And yes i do agree with you aswell
Would been better if they just massed produced panthers and panzer 4s
And jagdpanthers
Germany isnt capable of going for quantity like USA or Russia, so they decided to go for quality....and it worked pretty well.
But against a never ending flood of garbage thrown against you, even the best tank will struggle, sooner or later.
The E-75 and E-100 would need some serious espionage help to get it to roll anywhere. The E-75 made sense as an almost stationary defense piece that could be hidden between buildings and troops would rally around, and it's targets would be vehicles. The E-100 was too heavy to cross bridges to go anywhere and the weapons were just too much for anything other than destroying fortifications so it was pretty much useless.
they took tiger tracks, cut them in half, brought in the pz iv/70 gun, and made it look like a hetzer
The tank in thumbnail is the cockroach or the E - 25
Annoying tanks when they are your enemy
@Vladimir Petrinski i think they are talking about the E25 from World of Tanks
@@j2m3_raiden5 it will also make diffrence in war
imagine using sherman and then e 25 pop up behind u
"It wouldve inspired a lot of fear in the enemy."
I think the only thing it would've inspired is a call for close air support
the E-series is something that's always interested me and its a shame that it doesn't get enough attention especially in things like alternate history or tank games. Though a general out look for if they where built when they where proposed they would be rear with the E-10 most likely still being dropped for keeping the 38-T with maybe some being upgraded with the mg turret as a half way between the E-10 and the E-25. The E-50 most likely would be dropped for another panther variant with the idea of trying to improve it as much as they could. Then the E-75 got scrapped in favour of the Maus then the E-100 knowing the Germans would probably have been built but likely less than 100 of them if we go off the actual production then they would have been used but they would have been rushed into service where it would have suffered from the usual problems of German heavy tanks mostly lack of flue and trained personnel, with most likely being abandoned not long after.
the maus was canceled in 43 replaced by the E-100 in development and then that was canceled too, Hitler didn't want super heavies anymore. which is why despite beginning to be built in 43 the E-100 prototype hull was still unfinished in 1945.
the E-75 is more or less a simplified Tiger II and thus would have been kept due to ease of production, the E-50 probably would have been modified to be based of something closer to the panther (rather than essentially a lighter tiger II) initially to ease production but otherwise would have likely swapped over to the E-50 as designed later on to allow for future upgrades.
similarly, the E-10 and E-25 would have likely become closer to the 38(t) and pz IV hulls.
the important parts of the E-series designs are the propsed hull construction methods, which was simpler, quicker and thus cheaper. and the suspension types which was cheaper than the leafspring suspensions of the pz38(t) and pz IV yet just as good (instability) and better (in weight limit) than the double torsion bar of the tiger 1/II and panther. aswell as being easy to maintain, and adopting a single suspension system and road wheel set for the 4 vehicles (rather than 4) would have also eased supply lines.
a war time germany was more likely to adopt e-series ideas into existing tanks, then build completely new tanks.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 thanks for the info would have been really interesting to see these built.
great vid, just my 2 cents, but i feel like germany pretty much maxed out practical tank size with some stuff they already had. some of their bigger tanks that actually saw service were extremely hard to move around i'm told. they don't fit on roads and stuff and were just about too wide to be transported by train. they were best in open country and pretty bad in an urban setting due to maneuverability. bridges? no way. aside from them getting their asses kicked, maybe they started realizing this from experience with their current humunga-tanks and that was another factor in discontinuing them? the advancements in technology, especially vehicle design, from ww2 never cease to amaze me.
These vehicles would have made absolutely no difference
What would have made a difference would be going with Mansteins "Strike from the backhand", skipping Kursk-Orel. That would have allowed the germans to fix Panther (they knew the problems and had cures) and rotate back experienced crews instead of mostly putting green troops on the Panther.
The rather desirable result would have been that Enola Gay would have dropped the first bomb on Dresden, Bockscar the second on say Hamburg or Leipzig. Long run a lot better for germany, nice permanent Fasism us Idiotic Monuments
@@mbr5742 ??
@@mbr5742 The Germans were running on fumes at this point in the war, they simply didn't have the resources or man power to completely rebuild their armored force in the way they proposed with the E Series. The war in Europe still ends with the Soviets taking Berlin in 1945.
@@NarcassiticGamer 1943? Even WITH Kursk Orel the germans where far from "running o fumes". And I did not say anything about the E series. I said fixing Panther (Final drive from the Tiger, different turret) something done by mid 1943 if one drops Kursk Orel and the production start of Panther in early 43
@@mbr5742 bro shit was lost 42
cockroach... is the most effective one
nuclear proof too.
@@ricsegreto4107 yes
3:03 it's a Panzer II on display, despite title saying it's Panzer III.
No pictures of the E-100? There are a lot of E-100 pictures on google and such.
Great video for the rest!
I am curious though if the Germans would have gotten 5(?) more years of conflict. Would this E-series still be good enough?
Because Russia really changed its tank doctrine. Stopped with the heavy tanks and focussed heavily on quick(ish) medium tanks like the T-44 and later T-54 and T-55. A design philosophy still present to this day.
Same goes for America. Sure, they had the T29, T30, T32, in testing and production fase, etc, but their real success has gone in to the medium tank series, with the Pershing proving to be a very formittable foe vs any German tank.
Nah even with 5 mor years germany didn't have enough fuel or steel or the tanks
More likely its going to be this scenario. Say the germans got more fuel, steel, aluminum, rubber, copper, etc for and extra 5 years. If we are talking 1339-1942, I believe the germans have a higher chance of winning so no change really. If late 1942-1944. Here's what they'd go off off.
Germany was basically doing guerilla warfare when they were losing. Based on what the germans actually did, they pumped up their tank destroyer production, the tank destroyers would hide in bushes and snipe, etc.
Heavy tank and medium tank production would decrease in favor of whatever tanks destroyer they could put out. Hetzer, Jagdpanther, Jagdtiger, StuG III, StuG IV, Jagdpanzer IV, etc. Of course they'd still have the Pz.Kpfw. IF in production and like in actual history, they'd strive to make the panther their main tank
Since Germany would no longer be in an offensive, the need for a turrets tank would decrease, instead a cheaper, faster to build stronger tanks would be of priority, which include most spgs and tank destroyers. But just incase an offensive is available or they need some flexibility, they would keep turreted tanks in production.
Tanks destroyers would play well in defensive positions and seeing how well the Jagdpanther does with arnament, armor and mobility, I believe they would go for that one
Germany was out numbered 6 to 1 USSR, USA, UK, Belgium, Poland, France and they still almost won. Now, by no means am I saying germany was 'good' but they were more technically advanced.
They did well in the early years by caching their foes unprepared with combined arms tactics never seen before - once the shock wore off and they had bitten off more than they could chew in Russia, they had already lost the war: it was only a question of how long they could hold out before being overwhelmed by the Soviet’s superior industrial capacity in a war of attrition (something the Wehrmacht wasn’t ready for).
Correct, Russia had the superior industrial capacity. But Russia took over twice the deaths of Germany and the allies as a whole took twice as many deaths and Germany would have won the war if it wasn't for Hitler's DUM decision to invade Russia. Infact some of the plots to kill Hittler were because of his bad decisions in the war.
@@joeld_i4052 That may be so, but he did make that dumb decision that cost them all the war.
The e75 has a good armor, i have that in wotb
I would take stats in WoTB with a pinch of salt cause they're probably not that accurate
the e-100 wasn't scrapped. it still resides on the junkeyard, buried, waiting to be uncovered
You could have said, that the E-10 was named Hetzer and that the Jagdpanzer 38t was given this name after war. Second you could have mentioned the E-5 Panzerkleinzerstörer Rutscher. Besides that, good video !
The name was already existing, by accident.