@@kindofabigdeal7284 DreamWorks still showing that they can make great stories after the Kung Fu Panda trilogy ended. Death the Wolf and Big Jack Horner are up there with Lord Shen, Tai Lung, Kai, Rumple Stiltskin (I forgot how to spell it, lol), and Fairy God Mother among others.
True, but without James Spader would've been awful though. Imagine how bad the "I can't physically throw up in my mouth" line would've been if it was an actor that is not James Spader.
@@user-dl5ln3wd6f Captain America has no life outside of war. It's literally what he was created for. He's just like Ultron in this sense except Ultron was created for peace. We see in Steve's dream that he biggest fear is being told the war's over and that he can go home.
Reason is Marvel tries to cater to the lowest common denominator aka the general public or non comic fans. It's easier to water down everything and dumb it down so it's easily digestible and parents will bring their kids.
The annoyance when MCU fanboys tried to say "well Ultron sounds boring in comics anyway. Glad they changed" was so laughable. They knew absolutely nothing of Ultron lol 😂
They Themselves were so hyped for the version that was promised in the trailers. I remember them saying "R.I.P Batman v Superman" and "R.I.P DC" for the teaser trailer alone.
I like the movie version better that the comics or animation because he actually challenges the Avengers morally and is more than just an "A.I. bad" cliche.
Bit of a correction. MCU didn't use Quicksilver because of Fox using him it was the other way around. Fox was gonna use Juggernaut instead of Quicksilver but changed it when they found out about the MCU using Quicksilver. They were far enough in production they had casted Juggernaut and had a costume for him too.
Yeah, I remember reading that it was Whedon who wanted to use Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. They actually killed Quicksilver off as part of a compromise with Fox at the time.
@@jonathancampbell5231actually, no. mcu quicksilver could have lived or died, fox didn't care. there was no deal. pietro and wanda are both avengers and x-men characters, so their inclusion on both franchises should not be a problem. whedon even filmed a variant of the ending scene where quicksilver is alive, and joined the new avengers. he was killed cuz someone needed to die in order for the movie to feel 'important' and have 'stakes'.
I think there's room for Ultron to embrace the twins despite hating humanity, but it probably would have required introducing the concept of x-men mutants ahead of time, have him embrace the mutants as an untested, hopefully upgraded form of humanity only for him to be betrayed when the twins opt to side with humanity instead of him. Have it be what brings him down, as it would be a purely emotional reaction and make no logical sense, so the robotic Ultron wouldn't be able to understand or fathom them doing it in the first place. I know that they couldn't have done this, given the fox merger hadn't happened yet, but its fun to imagine what could have been.
he could've just recognized how useful their powers were and tried to manipulate them by appealing to their hatred, then intended to dispose of them later. he is a machine after all; it would be a logical option to further his goals by gaining temporary allies. easy-peasy.
@@erubin100 I mean I thought that's what he was doing seeing how he treated Claw it's clear he doesn't value human life and seeing how Ultron is the negative parts of Tony such as his superiority complex I thought he only wanted the twins as useful sycophants who would he fuel they're hatred of the Avengers in order to use them and when they found out he was gonna kill everyone including them he immediately tried to attack them.
It sucks how most unpopular Marvel characters in The MCU get turned into either bland looking characters with muted colors or turned into complete jokes for audience laughter Where as popular characters like Thanos get the respect they should in Live Action which speaks alot for what The MCU writers think about unpopular characters in general which is a sad loss of potential future stories
not really lol, Ultron is an extremely popular villain in pop culture and they still treated him like garbage, A lot of people, myself included were very familiar with Ultron before the movies
@@toasterowens8916 Which is an indictment on his planning. Do you ever actually think for longer than just a moment? Also, even if no one actively went back in time to reverse it… it was still a dumb plan. Take earth for example… in less than 100 years, the earth’s population tripled. So that means all Thanos did, even if no one went back in time, was scar and traumatize a generation bcuz by the time we get a generation or 2 down the line we’d be right back at the same population we are now. It’s not like he snapped the information into ppls head and brainwashed people into behaving differently and believing what he believes… he just wiped ppl out like a meathead, that does nothing. It was idiotic
The big problem about making Ultron ‘expressive and relatable’ is that he’s not supposed to be. He’s supposed to be cold, inflexible and alien. He’s supposed to be uncomfortable.
In the comics, Ultron is actually quite expressive for an AI, despite his never-changing face in the comics. The difference is that comic Ultron is... unstable to put it lightly. He is incredibly spiteful and holds a burning hatred towards his "father" Hank Pym. He literally tried to kill Hank the moment he gained sentience, which was probably the moment Hank realized creating an AI based on his brain while he was having a mental breakdown and being mentally ill might not have been a good idea. Comic Ultron can't go a day without killing something. He literally killed himself one time just by reading the phrase "thou shalt not kill". Yeah, he's THAT obsessed with murder. He fused himself with Hank and decided to go on a killing spree just because he wanted to. Ultron also murdered a woman right in front of her teenage son. By the way, said kid was also his son through being infused with Ultron cybernetics. And he said to his son that it was fine because his mother was a "degenerate and a criminal", as if that justifies vaporizing her in front of their own child. What great parenting. There was also that time where he dressed up as Santa Claus to kill the Avengers on Christmas. Yes, that actually happened. And that time Ultron became an alcoholic. Yeah he had some weird... phases. Not to mention, his ai is based on a human brain. It would make sense for him to act somewhat human. Which just makes him hate humanity and organic life even more.
Why is he 'supposed' to be these things? Him being expressive is totally fine; it seems people just think he should act like in the comics for some reason, not realizing the movies are mere adaptations, not a carbon fcking copy
@@pyropulseIXXI I'm gonna be real while I like the idea of realistic A.I villains I think they'll get boring quick so I think having characters like Ultron and Brainiac being more expressive and having personality keeps them from being forgettable along with being a copy of each other.
Honestly watching videos like these not only gives me a greater understanding of the classic Marvel villains, but also helps me find good research on to how to make a variety of good villains.
The MCU and the way movies and Hollywood work in general make building a shared Marvel universe with villains running around pretty much impossible unless they'd be willing to constantly recast different actors as the same characters. I know Disney has bottomless pits of money but when you hire a pretty big name actor to play your villain in almost every movie there's no way they're going to stick around for a dozen movies across a decade or two. Their only options are to either kill off the villains after 1 movie or recast them if they show up 15 movies and 7 years later. I hardly feel like the MCU is a shared setting. The majority of villains just end up dead so what's the point. The MCU is pretty much the story of the Avengers cutting through Marvel's roster of villains one after another. It's kind of lame knowing any villain you like is just going to get killed in the movie they appear in and never show up again. Malekith got 1 chance and it sucked. Same with Gorr and Iron Monger and Ultron and many others and they blew it. Overall I feel like the MCU is a hollow, soulless shell of 616. It could have been better.
Imagine if they introduced Ultron either in the first movie of one phase, or the last movie of the previous phase, and set up his character there, letting him be a background threat growing in power in all movies in the phase until they end it with a team-up movie to take down Ultron once and for all. Have him be Thanos-level. Maybe even have him be built to solve his introductory movie's problem, only to have him turn against them afterwards and reveal that he's found his new goal.
This is basically how The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes handled him, he appears throughout the first half of season one as a series of peacekeeping/therapy robots designed by Hank Pym to help rehabilitate criminals, but when Kang invades Earth, Hank is forced to teach Ultron the concept of violence so he can he used as backup against Kang's army, and in the end only one Ultron survives, and with its newfound knowledge of violence decides that the best way to bring about peace is to exterminate all life.
As a voice actor, I was an immense fan of the casting of James Spader as Ultron. The incredible power in his voice and the energy of his delivery. The trailer had me so hyped. But then Joss Whedon had to do that shit that he does for every movie he's ever made and I was so let down.
The gap between the first Strange movie and the multiverse of madness made it feel like I missed a second Strange film in between, mainly because of I thought there was a development with the villains that I completely missed.
They blew their wad with Thanos too early imo. They have so many avengers level threats that they had to relegate to a single film an underdevelop them because they promised thanos from the beginning. IMO Phase 1 should’ve entirely focused on Loki - Phase 2 Ultron for real (Hank Pym should’ve been the active ant man and his arc with Ultron should’ve been adapted.) - Phase 3 you can bring in Ronin the Accuser - actually make him interesting - and use him to lead into thanos for phase 4. Phase 5 should have been used to set Thor up as our new number 1 and Gorr should’ve been the main threat. Phase 6 you can start to introduce Doom and the Fantastic 4 after a major event where Gorr cleans out the rest of the old cast and go from there with the mutants. They fucked it from the start but hindsight is 20/20.
I was so disappointed when they set up HYDRA so well in Winter Soldier only to have it dealt with ten minutes into Age of Ultron. You have a good point about them needing to build up villains more over multiple movies. What if we didn't have a Thanos/Kang every 5-10 years but all villains were as well built up (not necessarily as powerful)?
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver should have been introduced in Civil War. They could have been the ones to cause a similar incident to the one at the beginning of the comic.
I think instead of Ultron it would have been better for Red Skull to return as the Avenger level threat. He is revealed at the end of Winter soldier and it's revealed that Hydra has infiltrated the CIA, FBI, NSA and even other government agencies all across the world and the fear of government agents being Hydra agents makes it all the more difficult for the Avengers to take down Red Skull and Hydra for good. Then at the end of this Avenger movie it's revealed that Red Skull was creating a diversion for Thanos.
I think mirror villains are good sequel villains, but don’t really work in a movie that introduces your characters. If you start with a villain different than your character, you can effectively establish their strengths and weaknesses. Mirror match villains work for sequels because it can put the hero in a situation where they don’t have their major advantages and have to resort to using their powers or tools more cleverly than the villain, which can carry over to their next adventure where they use those skills. Like if you have the Flash face Captain cold in one movie, he’s facing someone who has a gadget that counters his powers well. If he faces Reverse Flash or Zoom next, he’ll have to find ways to be a more effective speedster and grow in his skills in a way that makes sense. Then he’s more prepared to fight a grander flash villain like Gorilla Grodd or aid in a Justice League level threat like Brainiac.
Sometimes I think those who came after Iron Man 1 relied *_TOO HEAVILY_* on copying it. The biggest reason Obadiah worked as a Mirror Villain is because he perfectly represented everything that Tony had become up until being kidnapped. He represented what Stark Industries *_used to be_* and played the resistance to change perfectly. Stopping Obadiah was the same as stopping Stark Industries continuing as a War-For-Profit Company. *_It was Tony killing off the man he was for good._* Doing it in the first movie made the most sense. Another reason to add why Mirror Villains don't work this early is because *_"This could be You."_* doesn't really work when we're still learning who you are. MV's are supposed to put Us and the Hero in a State of Conflict. They exist to make us question everything we've done and if we're doing the right thing. They show us how one decision changes everything, and we get to see the results of those *_"What-If's"_* and that doesn't really work if you do it at the same time we're learning who the Hero is. Ironically, Iron Man in Civil War was a better example of a *_"Mirror Villain"_* and he wasn't even one.
I think the problem with these MCU movies is that they aren't made for fans of the original comics, they're made for the mainstream crowd. As such, they basically care more about getting recognizable figures out there than actually adapting them well, leading to less recognizable villians not appearing, and the villians that do show up to be inferior, mainstream versions of themselves to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
9:24 yes!! The design in the movies so shoddy, I need to see that constant screaming mask, and the broiling energy within the maw! worse still was the quipping and emotional insecurity put above his capacity for calculated destruction. He could've been the best supervillain put to screen if handed better, and no the what if ultron doesn't make up for it even if he's cool.
I love seeing you reference the comics because the MCU has ruined so many characters I love from the comics and it's just so upsetting not seeing these dope ass characters come to life, this is why I love Avengers Earth's Mightest Heroes, it has tons of good heroes and villains, keeps their comic costumes, and makes the villain's motives actually interesting to watch
I really love this series not only are you teaching us how to make good villains you also highlights the stories from the comics for us to be interested in
MCU Zemo is underrated, he beat the Avengers and killed the king of Wakanda with nothing but a nasty plan. Only Thanos had more success and he needed cosmic plot armor to do it. Zemo just needed his brain.
0:43 Thank you for this. As someone who was never and is not into comic books, I definitely needed someone to inform me of the stories I missed out on. And your part 1 video definitely made me aware enough of the lack of good stories in the MCU to actually reevaluate the franchise.
In defense of The Reverse Flash while he does have the same powers as the Flash he uses them much differently, like using the power to phase through anything to phase through vital organs and as Death Battle showed he has a more violent fighting style as he'd drag his victims around the world, reducing them to a mangaled mess at infinite speeds if he wanted to. Plus one unique power he has is the ability to age people to death, that and unlimited pettyness
Eobard Thawne The Reverse Flash is one of the best SuperVillains in all of comics. He may be the Best mirror type villain & he has a top 10 powerset in fiction
I'm loving this series! As someone who doesn't read the comics and hasn't watched a lot of the animated shows this is teaching me a lot about characters that don't get to fully shine in the MCU
Great video. Only part I disagree with is the use of Reverse-Flash as an example, since he’s so much more than your average mirror villain. Keep up the good work, can’t wait for part 3.
@@georgerockwell6124 That's true, eating Mcdonald's reduce your years of life, just like waiting for mcu films it won't never be made, so that analogy is PERFECT
Agreed - there's nothing wrong with changing villains to suit your movie, so long as they remain true to the overall spirit of the original. They don't have to be the definitive version of their characters, just a satisfying variation. My benchmark for this tends to be the villains from the Burton Batman movies - they're all of them recognizably VERSIONS of their original selves, even though some of the details have changed considerably. Nicholson's Joker is still a cackling, egotistical, murderous lunatic with a clown/playing card motif; DeVito's Penguin is still a top-hatted, pudgy little gangster with aristocratic pretensions and a thing for birds and weaponized umbrellas, and Pfeiffer's Catwoman is still a slinky, athletic, feline-themed crook/antihero with a romantic interest in the hero. None of them are straightforward adaptations of the original characters, but they don't NEED to be; they're convincing enough as alternate versions of them. Not so with the MCU villains - most of them are pretty much name-only, and are tailored strictly to fit the needs of the movies/shows they appear in, instead of to give the heroes a genuinely interesting opponent. I can think of like four, maybe five of them who've really worked for me so far, and that's not good, considering we're talking about the biggest franchise in movie history.
Before the trailer of age of Ultron came out and I was hearing about it from people, I couldn't believe that the MCU was going into Ultron that early considering is comic book and animation story... I said if they used Ultron as the villain, that means the MCU was ending... When the trailer finally came out and confirmed it (trailers come later in my part of the world, Nigeria), I thought that the MCU was about to end and I was sure of it because I knew how powerful Ultron was, I thought that at least, the MCU was about to change... I was a naive 3rd worlder then that had no idea about the dying creativity of Hollywood and the way they insult source materials... I didn't know much about the west then... I was but a naive kid back then until I saw the movie and I was like what am I watching... And I started losing faith in the MCU after that... The other movies rose my faith up but not to it's previous level especially since I started learning about the west when I discovered CZcams (again, my corner of the world) and now, it's no longer possible to lift my faith up in the MCU... The best you can do is slow the drop a little...
Yup, Hollywood & Disney do that a lot these days. Even if they lose money, they'll still hold onto their stubborn sense of pride. How do you think the Star Wars fans feel?
@@jefftheindianchief8279 I'm a star wars fan including and especially the prequels and I can defeat even mauler in advocating that it's not as bad as everyone makes it seem... And Disney should consider themselves lucky I live thousands of miles away from them... At least for now... I've made so many comics modernizing the OG (in the technology not the story, don't be frightened, we all know what modernizing the story means in this day and age), coherently retelling the prequels to be more understandable and connecting the animations to it in it's proper places and oh boy when it comes to the sequels, I've rewritten it using their characters and plots, using only their characters and using the right characters and also made comics for other people's rewrites but it's not going away... The taste, is still there, to haunt my soul forever and beat the dead horse that is my childhood for ever existing in the first place... And it's because of those idiots who say adaptations should be way different from it source material which is generally wrong, very very wrong in modern days and completely misunderstood by the modern writers... Generally wrong because the best adaptations are always those who follow the source material and you can only mention a few good adaptations that doesn't follow the source material... Anime is kicking the west add for following the source materials and when they don't, they become the most hated things in the world called fillers and have you heard the take of the two Tokyo ghouls, the anime was shite for not following the source material and only got good when it followed the source material... Game of thrones got bad when it ran out of source material and was saved by house of dragons because it follows it source material... The lord of the rings is one of the most perfect set of movies if not the most perfect and that's because it followed the source material and the hobbits are hated for adding a whole lot of extras to it source material... Same thing for superhero stories... So when are we going to call out the fact that the best way to adapt is to closely follow the source material... The reason for this is because the authors of comics and novels and sn original movie had spent years thinking of it and building the world and the characters and the writer knows the themes that the audience loved about it and kept them there for a reason after thinking about it for a long time and finding nuances so it doesn't become preachy... But the adaptation or continuation in the case of movie franchises are just done by a bunch of writers who couldn't make anything original on their own, all have different ways they see the story and might not be fans of it or might prefer or agree with the villain (which is basically most of the modern writers) and they have a very brief deadline and a producer that knows nothing about writing and wants space for visual spectacles as well as interferences from the studio itself adding their own agenda and profit mongering cliche formulas and quotas to the story, my god that's a country of cooks spoiling the teacup of broth... How do you expect anyone to come up with something better than the original author??? It's not possible... And the people who prefer this provably false method are saying this because they haven't read the source material and don't want to seem less than the fans or as normies for only preferring to engage in a media if it is made in live action as if that's a bad thing to be such a person or they don't care about someone else's hardwork and the fans who made that hardwork popular enough to be adapted for them to see because to them, only their selfish pleasure matters... I'm not talking about critics who already know the source materials are better but choose to critic the movie only as a movie to give it a chance, I'm talking about the rest... And because they don't think, they consider the fact if the source material is that popular, why not adapt that source material??? The fans don't want to see anything else than the source material in a new medium not a new interpretation, and the non fans don't even know the source material to tell the difference so why not just please everyone and adapt the real deal and be as faithful as possible, you're not losing in anyway... But it is narcissism... The proponent of this method don't know they caused the rot of the industry by encouraging and requesting for the writer's narcissism... They think they can do better in a shorter amount of time or that their own gripes with the story should be the only one that matters no matter how unique it is to only them... Do this method doesn't work in this modern age and yet, these selfish critics who don't want to research about the story or be corrected want everyone to be on their level in the knowledge about the movie or are too selfish to consider anything but their own entertainment are the ones demanding for adaptations in this manner, further justifying Hollywood's desecration of source materials because these guys think they would eventually get it right some how... They ask for a new spin for source materials they no nothing about because who cares about the hardwork kept in the story by the author, they only need his fans and brand recognition so let's steal his IP by deceiving him with fake promises they would never keep and ignore the fans that brought the story to their attention and was the reason they bought the IP and they need for their adaptation to be successful, if they try to leave, we would call them toxic and some overused word for one discrimination or the other and some moronic critics keep complaining about the product unaware that they are the ones asking for more by saying they don't care about the source material so they are getting what they asked for... But to be fair to them, modern writers have completely misunderstood them and taken a different spin to a whole different level and choose to make stories that only themselves would like and no one else because if you give them an inch, they would take a light year so we can't trust them to make a different spin to the source materials because they would take liberty for freedom and freedom for self centeredness... There's literally no reason to stray from the source material even in sequels, use what you already have to make a new story, just change up the characters and their personalities and then the plot and then redo the original again with new characters and a new plot and new stakes... How hard is that??? Don't change the settings or the themes or the power system, my god don't even add to it... At the very best, derive from it and don't create something entirely new like the effing snail bombers in the last Jedi and the entire Rey Kylo force dynamic in the sequels... You would get all the fans, the normies who haven't interacted with the source material won't know what the story is about so to them, it might as well be a new spin, you would get profit from a bigger returns than the source material got because of new fans, normies and live action movies being more profitable than other mediums and people would be open to spin-offs or keep rewatching the movies like they reread the books... My god, there's nothing to lose... The only two reasons for ignoring the source material are narcissism and politics but then again, I repeat myself...
@@johnnycrown5097 so many truth you've spoken there Is so tragic how disney dismerits Legends starwars & now they're doing the same with Marvel(since they're calling C.U.M. earth 616 instead of earth 199,999)
I remember when Ultron first emerged in the Avengers. Played by James Spader his beginning speech and deep voice made him eerie and menacing. But later makes him into a goofy quippy comedian. What a waste..they all wasted
can't wait to hear you pick apart Modok. I don't mean to be dramatic but the cinematic interpretation (if you can call it that) is genuinely heartbreaking. I've always respected Modok despite the inherent ludicrousness, but the Modok we need and deserve is entirely absent in Quantumania.
@@jonathancampbell5231 em, NO 1. Ultron has NOT being confirmed in Armored Wars 2. The one who voiced Ultron in Quantum Encounter WAS ROSS MARQUAND(Robot In Invincible)
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Hm, I didn't know that it wasn't Spader in Quantum Encounter- must have misread somewhere that it was. Ultron is at least heavily rumoured to be in Armor Wars, though.
First, Kang was defeated by being stabbed. Then Kang was defeated by Ant-Man and the Wasp. And now we're supposed to get excited to see him defeated again in the next Avenger's movie?
And his name is Kang. How is anyone scared of a dude named Kang that can't even beat ants? Going from Thanos to Kang is just hilarious. I'm just wondering how they'll butcher Galactus.
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 I don't think he's based on Ultimate Galactus. They are pretty different. Ultimate Galactus is an army of robots. They probably just made him a cloud because they weren't confident they could pull normal Galactus off.
@@jonathancampbell5231 as i said, I didn't say F4 2007 Cloudlactus was good, just said he was comic accurate, but is the ultimate universe, same universe where Dr. Doom is A Pony Furry & The Mandarin is a Crazy CEO A.I.
Age of Ultron should keep Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and vision BUT cut out the set ups for other movies. Joss Weadon said he wasnt going to do another because the studio insisted he include a) a set up for infinity war (the stones), civil war, black panther, and some other stuff i cant remember...
@@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805 The set ups made that movie justifiable to the mcu and important to that universe if not for that then it would've as forgettable as Iron man 2 or 3.
@@user-dl5ln3wd6f every movie made touches on the others.the movie doesnt have to justify itself by injecting references. i go to the movies to see a good story, not becasue they;re going to reference another movie i saw
True about the mirror matches. Civil war has my favourite fight scenes because they pit people with different powers against eachother. Just weird that they had to make it hero vs hero for that to happen.
I can actually provide a good reason for "I am you but evil" villians in the origin story of many superheros. Since it is the origin story we spend a lot of time establishing exactly what the hero can and can't do. A majority of the run time, in fact. So the villian having the same powers saves us screen time and allows us to see how far our hero has come in understanding their own abilities because they're typically "the same but evil and more powerful" consider that Iron man beat Obadiah because he solved the icing problem and Stain didn't. After the first movie the "I'm you but" villian becomes redundant and could only be used as a bit of fanservice, the villian can show how powerful our hero is when he isnt bound by morality and heroics. Examples like Zod, Venom, and Owl Man.
Fun fact about MCU vs Fox quicksilver. He was added to DoFP AFTER it was announced he’d be in AoU. Originally juggernaut was going to be part of the prison break instead.
Something I want to mention about Vision: Age of Ultron uses Jarvis as the basis for what he becomes in these films, so in a way, we've spent time with Vision over multiple movies because they are implied to be the same guy. However, this also makes his development merely implied in subtext (Him experiencing everything unfold in the MCU and assisting Iron Man) rather than being far less vague and ambiguous thus far more powerful for the audience if we actually got it brought up at all, especially because of the wishy washy way they handled him becoming "a new thing" when he clearly IS supposed to be Jarvis given life by the Infinity Stone and not giving it attention ever again. They don't do anything with this subtext to justify this decision and while understandable if you got that, it's stuck in the middle of two ideas, "Explore Jarvis being given life" and "Explore the newly born Vision being brought into this world", without committing to either. We even skip doing stuff like this between this movie and Civil War. He's just born a good guy. It's a shame because before his death, there was a lot of room to write something much more tight if given the chance in hindsight, possible even taking advantage on the comic counterpart's' best traits.
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Vision was created by Tony's desire to protect the world as opposed to Ultron who was created from Tony's fear that he doesn't have control.
The sad thing is they could have brought back Baron Zemo as a part of Endgame. Instead of giving us a crappy Captain Marvel film they could have done Thunderbolts and done the plot from their maxi-series. It was perfectly set up with Thanos snapping away half the population. The world needs heroes and out of nowhere this new team appears. They help defeat Thanos, but the big surprise for casuals is that they are really all supervillains that reveal their true plan in an Avengers/Thunderbolts team up movie. As for how they could have used MODOK, they had everything laid out for them in the comics and established in the films. Instead of doing WandaVision they should have made an Avengers West Coast movie. All the team was already introduced and they could have adapted the Vision Quest story. Have AIM steal Vision's corpse and have MODOK premiere as the villain in it. AWC2 would introduce Wanda's children and part 3 would reveal the truth that they were really pieces of Mephisto and Scarlet Witch would then go insane, so the teams have 2 problems to deal with.
If I were to redesign MCU Ultron, I'd slim down the number of segmented parts he has, and give him the jack-o-lantern face while keeping his eyes as James Spader's to give him some freedom of expression. So basically the Ultron Sentries with more expressive eyes. And maybe a red tattered cape to allude to his alias as the Crimson Cowl AND his Annihilation design. If not that, then at the very least I'd keep the interior of his mouth glowing to make his design humanlike yet not at the same time.
Marvel already ruined Kang because his name is Kang and he can't beat ants so he's obviously gonna be dumpstered by the full B-Team Avengers. I'm just so giddy to see how they'll ruin Galactus when they get to that stage.
Why does every villain HAVE to either a) be an evil copy of the hero OR b) have to DIE at the end?! They could be in the universe as more complex moving pieces but instead we rehash the same thing over and over. I really love these movies but the villains are my number one problem.
Ultron had Tony’s personality because he copied Tony’s personality when he was created. Ultron is both literally and figuratively a evil spawn of Tony and his inventions.
@@petermj1098 No, RDJ selfinsert didn't created Ultron in the C.U.M, Ultron already existed, RDJ & RUFFALO self inserts only awoke him, & by the way, were RDJ & RUFFALO self inserts, not just RDJ self insert
i hate to say it but i actually loved the MCUs Ultron, i love that he had a personality. robots especially robot villains are soooooooo boring. i can name like two that actually work Megatron and the Terminator every other robot sucks. i always found Ultron so boring in the comics and never understood why people liked him so much
Super Villains then:Threat,Intimidating,shows no empathy,kills anyone including the heros lover or friend,and doing anything to accomplish there goals. Super Villains Now:Bland,Ha Ha Funny,and Lame.
I was about to say, an masters of evil movie would of been sick. Having multiple characters with different powers and abilities facing each other would be cool.
For those saying “not everything has to be comic book accurate” NO, ATLEAST MOST OF IT SHOULD BE ACCURATE TO COMICS!!! It’s one of the reason why most of us are watching it. Most of us are comic book fans. What’s the point of watching a comic book movie when they won’t even respect the source material…
Exactly, One thing is watching the adaptation creating a New story but respecting & paying Homage to the source material(Like Arrow, Armored Adventures & ROTTMNT) & other is just Making Whatever trash you want while hanging from an already famous IP(like Supergirl 2015, FMA live action or Anything from fase 4)
That’s what I’m saying. Namor not being a Chad, Zemo being sympathetic, red skull being forgotten about, Ultron being an weak villain and instead being an emotionless killing machine he is an quipping? Not to mention no Rick jones, Hank Pym or Janet Van Dyme, etc.
Also the mandarin reveal of Travis Slatery was one of the worst moments in the mcu. Like what! It’s like if I’m watching the The dark knight movie and we think that the Joker is the villain but it turns out it that the Joker is just a pawn and an fake and it is revealed that it was Micheal Jai white as the Villain instead the entire time. Why would anyone think that would be an great idea to put in an movie???
Vision, a villain turned hero is probably the worst in my mind. He’s been in so many movies, but every time he acts like a little bitch or sits around doing nothing. In Civil War he basically shows off his power by shooting a beam from his forehead powerful enough to make everyone stop on a dime to avoid getting obliterated. Then everyone else is fighting and he does nothing. He’s ridiculously OP going against a bunch of humans and instead he’s clearly the one holding the camera.
I have been saying this for years. The MCU successful as it was is still overly comedic to the point where it subverts expectations in a bad way. For example, Nick Fury saying "Last time I trusted someone, I lost an eye" only for that to be a alien cat in a comedic fashion. Granted, I would have liked for that not be showed and up for imagination. MCU uses comedy to subvert (undermine) a potentially compelling story. Oh well, the films printed money which is all they care about. Lucky for me, I still read the comics and stop expecting anything out of the MCU. Money talks I guess.
I'm sure the creators of the Winter Soldier didn't intend for Fury to make that comment about the cat scratch. That's square on the Captain Marvel writers.
You make great points here. I think the one elephant in the room as to why the MCU makes such bland and forgettable villains is Disney. Disney is not interested in anything they can't market to kids and claim the moral high ground for doing so. Disney is not interested in villains they can't put into a costume and parade around kids in amusement parks.
That’s right, HANK PYM created Ultron. (NOT STARK) Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyme are the Fouding Members Of the Avengers. He also became Yellowjacket. Anti-Hero.
I think you missed the mark on Zemo. I've enjoyed the heck out of him so far. And let's face it, he did indeed defeat the Avengers. They never really recovered from what he put them thru. Other than that, loved the vids! Consider me subbed 👍
Wild how 6 years back, I got called stupid and a contrarian when I said that comic book fatigue would set in eventually and the villians were kinda ass
Would it be possible to make a Successful Cinematic Universe using Original Characters inspired from the Movies that came before? A Cowboy with an Enchanted Revolver, Wanting to repent for his Sins. A Boy who lives in a Fantastical Machine World sets out to prove himself despite his Loving Fathers pleas. A young karate prodigy who’s skills hinge between Reality and Fiction, Sets out on a Journey to sacrifice himself for his Home. A Girl who meditates in a Circle Shaped Magical tree trunk everyday yearns for True Love. Through her enlightenment she see’s visions of a Looming Threat, An Abomination of the Gods. She see’s how the Love of a Boy from a distant Machine World, A prodigy Martial Artist & A gun slingin’ man’s guilt will save the World.
Man would love to hear your thoughts on that new Netflix show “The Night Agent”. I saw it was no 1 for awhile but dont want to waste the time unless its worth it
I think it would’ve been sick as hell for Ultron to have been set up in previous films. An idea that comes to mind is maybe having Tony Stark do some form of “side project” in between all of his iron man suits. You wouldn’t know what he’s working on, but you’d know that he’s up to something that isn’t his iron man suits which would intrigue and maybe even somewhat concern you. Maybe even by the end of Iron Man 3 in a post credit scene or just at the end of the film, Tony lays his side project out on the table and it just says “Project Ultron”, bringing a sense of dramatic irony as comic book fans know exactly what is about to come of this project while none of the characters have any idea of what’s about to come.
Crazy idea: why couldn't they have had Hank Pym be the main villain of Ant Man instead of Darren Cross? He was already an unlikeable ass in the comics, so why not lean into that?
This version of Vision is a combination of an infinity stone, Ultron, and Jarvis. The AI Tony created that was integrated into the Iron Man suits and would frequently aid the team. To say he just randomly decides to help is not true because part of him was always on the team.
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 I always kind of liked that about him a robot that slowly has to learn to be human. Like yeah doors would be foreign to him because when he was Jarvis he was literally always there in the house he probably saw Tony do all sorts of crazy stuff and was just like meh whatever. I will grant you his powers are inconsistent but to be honest the comic one is also inconstant, like he can alter his density grat how does that allow him to fly?
Not all of these villians are horrendous adaptations. Baron Zemo is not like the Mandarin and he is not another disappointingly tragic bastardization. Zemo IS one of the MCU's most iconic villians though and neither him nor some of the others were degraded into a forgettable nobody. They did not go too far or make him too normal, him looking that normal works really well to contrast with how dangerous he is and can be. They did not try too hard to make him empathetic or relatable either they tried just hard enough, and he does not become a boring fart that puts you to sleep whenever he's on screen instead he is a pretty intriguing and notable villian. He is intimidating and he is certainly dangerous, he killed the king of Wakanda after all and he split the Avengers up and got them to fight each other and tortured and killed people too and did other stuff too so yeah he is intimidating and dangerous. He does not look like he'd struggle to make his dog go potty outside, he looks smart but humble and looks like someone you could underestimate. Him in Falcon and the Winter Soldier does suck but in Civil War he was great. Deadpool is not the only movie that knows how to make a good looking mask, most movies do like Captain America and Spider Man Homecoming. Zemo is not a sad pudge in Civil War though and there he is one of the greatest villians in the MCU. He and the other villians are not big brown stains in Civil War.
Really disappointed you didn't roast Ronan more- he's not necessarily even a villain, just a Lawful Neutral enforcer of the Kree, basically "Judge Dredd in Space". They made him a genocidal terrorist in the movie who comes off as more of an irrational nutjob.
I see ur point about Zemo but I personally liked him and thought he was one of the best MCU villains after thanos and Loki. I understand it’s not true to the comics and could be better but as far as villains go he was good
Yeah because I think he along with Wolfgang should have been in the First Avenger but I also think he has a better motivation than Lex in BVS because Phoenix Studio pointed it out.
The problem with Zemo in Civil War is that he really could have been anybody; even his name is only spoken once I think in a throwaway line (that I actually missed the first time), then Tony sees it on a screen for a second later. He could have been John Smith and it would have made no difference at all- he's only Zemo because it was technically a Captain America movie. That, and his plan is heavily dependant on chance and on none of the characters thinking straight for more than ten minutes.
@@jonathancampbell5231 yeah well before Civil War was released I was expecting that Zemo was going to be the last of the Hydras and he is a real baron and just like the bad guy from Lethal Weapon 2 he has diplomatic immunity and I also expecting that he and Crossbones are working together to take the Avengers because this 17:49 was a missed opportunity along with Wolfgang.
Another reason I think Ultron is the best comic book movie villain is that he's completely unstoppable until the Avenger all face, reflect on and ultimately overcome the resentment that was holding them back. When Vision lifts Mjolnir, it symbolises that the Avengers have grown into something worthy of taking down Ultron and everything he stands for. When the Avengers fight Ultron the first time, they're figthing to preserve the status quo, when they fight him in the third act, they're fighting to protect and inspire humanity.
The only mirror versions of characters I like are the tf2 vs tfc in the comics because at least the tfc had something that made them more special, besides the medic because he died which even then the tf2 medic can’t be out done
09:38 The Avengers point out Ultron's contradicting nature. They question why he chose a human form when it wasnt the most functional, they questioned why he didnt assimilate jarvis but instead tore him apart, and of course, the fact that ultron wanted to save the world by destroying it and forcing humanity to evolve from the ash-heap. Joss said ultron wasnt a being of logic, he was a deeply disturbed, emotional robot. 11:21 ultron is linked to Thanos' arc. Tony had a vision of the avengers losing badly (by thanos' hand) so he went too far to try and create the 'suit of armour around the world'. if it werent for the cosmic threat , tony wouldnt have decided to risk using the mind stone to fast-track Ultron's creation. 12:10 Darren cross yellow jacket, I dont mind superheroes facing evil versions of themselves, I get why people say it sucks, but it shows how good the hero is if theyre facing a threat that has their power set because it highlights to the audience why the hero is special (yellow jacket was more powerful than antman but antman used his knowledge of the quantum realm to beat cross, iron monger's suit was more powerful than iron man, but iron man used his experience of the icing effect and the arc reactor to defeat iron monger, evil mirror versions are fun because it shows that its not the powers that make the hero.) 13:43 Crossbones was always planning to kill himself, he told his men he wouldnt see them again. im not being a contrarian, but i genuinely liked the mega-tonne punch gauntlets. It added more weight to the punches captain america took. also, it was shown in previous movies that he couldnt actually take on captain america, so why not upgrade him? 15:25 the "fault doesnt come in because she fails to save absolutely everybody" the "fault came in" because, as explained in the movie, the avengers are an authority unto themselves. there is zero oversight. theyre not accountable to anyone. 17:05 idk if maria hill being an example of supervillains sucking. as she's been adapted as a hero. 19:20 when adapting superman to man of steel, they ditched the red underpants because "they couldnt find a justification for them in context". Captain america villains are more grounded in reality (batrok the leaper didnt look like his comic counterpart because it was a relatively serious spy movie, same thing here.) You say they made him 'too normal' but it fits that he's not a larger than life villain hell bent on world domination; the real story was the avengers breaking up (hence why the climax isnt cap vs zemo it's cap vs iron man); zemo was the best villain to instigate it given his scheming ability. also the tv shows are piss and dont exist. 21:14 Kaecilius thought the ancient one gaining longevity from the dark dimension but not letting others do it was hypocritical, and he sought it for himself. the only way he and strange are 'mirror images' is that they both do magic. Mordo turned evil because he saw magic as disrupting the natural order. Mordo was being set up as a future threat. A threat that'll have more impact as he and Strange have significant backstory. The flash is the only superhero that should only have other speedsters as his villains. countless youtubers have pointed out how silly it is that a man who can run so fast that he can travel through time, is defeated by a man with a flamethrower
@@user-dl5ln3wd6f irrelevant. the criticism in this video is of the MCU. to say it's dumb that ultron hates humanity but wants an expressive face/human shaped body is to not have watched the movie. ultron isnt pure logical; he's overly emotional. this is shown time and time again.
13:15 This part I can't agree on. because Yhea he is a bad ass assassin, but he was under control of Hydra and is brainwashed to be a cold hearted in that movie. And in civil Warr he's getting his memories and humanity a bit back. So I can understand why Bucky would hold back to kill someone and be a bit scared. But I can agree that his skills are a little bit weak compared to the winter soldier. Because even though he is getting softer doesn't mean he forgets his fighting skills.
"You make your heroes look good when your villains look good"
Puss in Boots 2 is a great example of this.
Agreed. For an animated movie that villain was intense. I felt scared for puss everytime he showed up. Please don’t judge me lol
@@kindofabigdeal7284 DreamWorks still showing that they can make great stories after the Kung Fu Panda trilogy ended. Death the Wolf and Big Jack Horner are up there with Lord Shen, Tai Lung, Kai, Rumple Stiltskin (I forgot how to spell it, lol), and Fairy God Mother among others.
Bro when puss parried him I got so hyped it was like a final boss battle in a video game
I never thought of it like that but that’s exactly how it felt
ALSO G.I. JOE RETALIATION
*We can all agree it had the BEST depiction of Cobra Commander*
Ultrons voice actor carried hard, he mesmerized me with the amount of gravitas, personality and mannerisms he was able to convey with that voice.
True, but without James Spader would've been awful though. Imagine how bad the "I can't physically throw up in my mouth" line would've been if it was an actor that is not James Spader.
True true
@@user-dl5ln3wd6f "I can't physically throw up in my mouth" is an amazing line because of what it reveals about Captain America.
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Stop Trolling.
@@user-dl5ln3wd6f Captain America has no life outside of war. It's literally what he was created for. He's just like Ultron in this sense except Ultron was created for peace. We see in Steve's dream that he biggest fear is being told the war's over and that he can go home.
How do they screw up so many villains when they have such a good base for them with the comics
They don't really like, or study, the source material. They just say "We need a villain for so-and-so. Who do we have from the Comics?"
If this was the 80s the villains would be scary....you can't upset the little snowflakes these days
They want to make it there own by adding it removing things to there liking.
Reason is Marvel tries to cater to the lowest common denominator aka the general public or non comic fans.
It's easier to water down everything and dumb it down so it's easily digestible and parents will bring their kids.
They'd have to read the comics first to know that
The annoyance when MCU fanboys tried to say "well Ultron sounds boring in comics anyway. Glad they changed" was so laughable. They knew absolutely nothing of Ultron lol 😂
They Themselves were so hyped for the version that was promised in the trailers. I remember them saying "R.I.P Batman v Superman" and "R.I.P DC" for the teaser trailer alone.
I like the movie version better that the comics or animation because he actually challenges the Avengers morally and is more than just an "A.I. bad" cliche.
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@@kieroncampion120I like how this film has more of a dark reflection of Stark much like Hank but I wish the delved more into his character.
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Ultron in the comics also challanges the avengers morally.
Bit of a correction. MCU didn't use Quicksilver because of Fox using him it was the other way around. Fox was gonna use Juggernaut instead of Quicksilver but changed it when they found out about the MCU using Quicksilver.
They were far enough in production they had casted Juggernaut and had a costume for him too.
Yeah, I remember reading that it was Whedon who wanted to use Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. They actually killed Quicksilver off as part of a compromise with Fox at the time.
@@theprotagonist1311 then my source was wrong,Thx for the correction
@@jonathancampbell5231actually, no.
mcu quicksilver could have lived or died, fox didn't care. there was no deal. pietro and wanda are both avengers and x-men characters, so their inclusion on both franchises should not be a problem. whedon even filmed a variant of the ending scene where quicksilver is alive, and joined the new avengers. he was killed cuz someone needed to die in order for the movie to feel 'important' and have 'stakes'.
@@jaski4022 Nuh Okay.
I think there's room for Ultron to embrace the twins despite hating humanity, but it probably would have required introducing the concept of x-men mutants ahead of time, have him embrace the mutants as an untested, hopefully upgraded form of humanity only for him to be betrayed when the twins opt to side with humanity instead of him. Have it be what brings him down, as it would be a purely emotional reaction and make no logical sense, so the robotic Ultron wouldn't be able to understand or fathom them doing it in the first place. I know that they couldn't have done this, given the fox merger hadn't happened yet, but its fun to imagine what could have been.
he could've just recognized how useful their powers were and tried to manipulate them by appealing to their hatred, then intended to dispose of them later. he is a machine after all; it would be a logical option to further his goals by gaining temporary allies. easy-peasy.
@@erubin100 This is EXACTLY what I was thinking
@@erubin100 I mean I thought that's what he was doing seeing how he treated Claw it's clear he doesn't value human life and seeing how Ultron is the negative parts of Tony such as his superiority complex I thought he only wanted the twins as useful sycophants who would he fuel they're hatred of the Avengers in order to use them and when they found out he was gonna kill everyone including them he immediately tried to attack them.
@@kwayneboy1524 You're the first person I've heard use the word sycophant other then Megatron.
@@chocov1233 why thank you
It sucks how most unpopular Marvel characters in The MCU get turned into either bland looking characters with muted colors or turned into complete jokes for audience laughter
Where as popular characters like Thanos get the respect they should in Live Action which speaks alot for what The MCU writers think about unpopular characters in general which is a sad loss of potential future stories
Thanos was done poorly as well. His plan didn’t make any sense nor did half of his actions
not really lol, Ultron is an extremely popular villain in pop culture and they still treated him like garbage, A lot of people, myself included were very familiar with Ultron before the movies
It’s more just unpopular Villains. They paid respect to the Guardians
@@ez6888 his plan did make sense, it was his assumption no one would try to reverse it that was dumb
@@toasterowens8916 Which is an indictment on his planning. Do you ever actually think for longer than just a moment? Also, even if no one actively went back in time to reverse it… it was still a dumb plan. Take earth for example… in less than 100 years, the earth’s population tripled. So that means all Thanos did, even if no one went back in time, was scar and traumatize a generation bcuz by the time we get a generation or 2 down the line we’d be right back at the same population we are now. It’s not like he snapped the information into ppls head and brainwashed people into behaving differently and believing what he believes… he just wiped ppl out like a meathead, that does nothing. It was idiotic
The big problem about making Ultron ‘expressive and relatable’ is that he’s not supposed to be. He’s supposed to be cold, inflexible and alien. He’s supposed to be uncomfortable.
True but they still seem to capture the things about him such as his irrational desire for companionship and his cruelty.
In the comics, Ultron is actually quite expressive for an AI, despite his never-changing face in the comics. The difference is that comic Ultron is... unstable to put it lightly.
He is incredibly spiteful and holds a burning hatred towards his "father" Hank Pym. He literally tried to kill Hank the moment he gained sentience, which was probably the moment Hank realized creating an AI based on his brain while he was having a mental breakdown and being mentally ill might not have been a good idea.
Comic Ultron can't go a day without killing something. He literally killed himself one time just by reading the phrase "thou shalt not kill". Yeah, he's THAT obsessed with murder. He fused himself with Hank and decided to go on a killing spree just because he wanted to. Ultron also murdered a woman right in front of her teenage son. By the way, said kid was also his son through being infused with Ultron cybernetics. And he said to his son that it was fine because his mother was a "degenerate and a criminal", as if that justifies vaporizing her in front of their own child. What great parenting.
There was also that time where he dressed up as Santa Claus to kill the Avengers on Christmas. Yes, that actually happened. And that time Ultron became an alcoholic. Yeah he had some weird... phases. Not to mention, his ai is based on a human brain. It would make sense for him to act somewhat human. Which just makes him hate humanity and organic life even more.
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Why is he 'supposed' to be these things? Him being expressive is totally fine; it seems people just think he should act like in the comics for some reason, not realizing the movies are mere adaptations, not a carbon fcking copy
@@pyropulseIXXI I'm gonna be real while I like the idea of realistic A.I villains I think they'll get boring quick so I think having characters like Ultron and Brainiac being more expressive and having personality keeps them from being forgettable along with being a copy of each other.
Honestly watching videos like these not only gives me a greater understanding of the classic Marvel villains, but also helps me find good research on to how to make a variety of good villains.
That bit about the minions being more intimidating than the boss gave a great idea for a D&D villain.
Marvel Comics in the good old days sent the villains to prison. That is a way to build a rogues gallery
The MCU and the way movies and Hollywood work in general make building a shared Marvel universe with villains running around pretty much impossible unless they'd be willing to constantly recast different actors as the same characters. I know Disney has bottomless pits of money but when you hire a pretty big name actor to play your villain in almost every movie there's no way they're going to stick around for a dozen movies across a decade or two. Their only options are to either kill off the villains after 1 movie or recast them if they show up 15 movies and 7 years later. I hardly feel like the MCU is a shared setting. The majority of villains just end up dead so what's the point. The MCU is pretty much the story of the Avengers cutting through Marvel's roster of villains one after another. It's kind of lame knowing any villain you like is just going to get killed in the movie they appear in and never show up again. Malekith got 1 chance and it sucked. Same with Gorr and Iron Monger and Ultron and many others and they blew it.
Overall I feel like the MCU is a hollow, soulless shell of 616. It could have been better.
@@KhainiteSO PAINFULLY TRUE
Imagine if they introduced Ultron either in the first movie of one phase, or the last movie of the previous phase, and set up his character there, letting him be a background threat growing in power in all movies in the phase until they end it with a team-up movie to take down Ultron once and for all. Have him be Thanos-level. Maybe even have him be built to solve his introductory movie's problem, only to have him turn against them afterwards and reveal that he's found his new goal.
They also wasted the opportunity of an annihilation conquest story.
This is basically how The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes handled him, he appears throughout the first half of season one as a series of peacekeeping/therapy robots designed by Hank Pym to help rehabilitate criminals, but when Kang invades Earth, Hank is forced to teach Ultron the concept of violence so he can he used as backup against Kang's army, and in the end only one Ultron survives, and with its newfound knowledge of violence decides that the best way to bring about peace is to exterminate all life.
If they did that, the MCU would be an inaccessible disaster.
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Why?
@@user-dl5ln3wd6f Because Age of Ultron is a stand alone movie and you shouldn''t have to do homework to fully understand it.
As a voice actor, I was an immense fan of the casting of James Spader as Ultron. The incredible power in his voice and the energy of his delivery. The trailer had me so hyped. But then Joss Whedon had to do that shit that he does for every movie he's ever made and I was so let down.
Tom Kane > James Spader
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 You aren't exactly gonna hear me argue that
The gap between the first Strange movie and the multiverse of madness made it feel like I missed a second Strange film in between, mainly because of I thought there was a development with the villains that I completely missed.
Dr Strange 3 is fast tracked for phase 6 2025
Malekith is on CARNAGE's bad side!!??
That’s what I said, so random 😭
But isn’t pretty much every Marvel character on his bad side?
I'd bond with a Symbiote IRL! Mine would probably be a beautiful near neon green from my green thumb & green lungs via being a smoker for 25yrs or so
Tbh who isn’t on Carnage’s bad side 😂
Who was the mirror villain in Homecoming?
They blew their wad with Thanos too early imo. They have so many avengers level threats that they had to relegate to a single film an underdevelop them because they promised thanos from the beginning. IMO Phase 1 should’ve entirely focused on Loki - Phase 2 Ultron for real (Hank Pym should’ve been the active ant man and his arc with Ultron should’ve been adapted.) - Phase 3 you can bring in Ronin the Accuser - actually make him interesting - and use him to lead into thanos for phase 4. Phase 5 should have been used to set Thor up as our new number 1 and Gorr should’ve been the main threat. Phase 6 you can start to introduce Doom and the Fantastic 4 after a major event where Gorr cleans out the rest of the old cast and go from there with the mutants. They fucked it from the start but hindsight is 20/20.
God I love this idea
I was so disappointed when they set up HYDRA so well in Winter Soldier only to have it dealt with ten minutes into Age of Ultron. You have a good point about them needing to build up villains more over multiple movies. What if we didn't have a Thanos/Kang every 5-10 years but all villains were as well built up (not necessarily as powerful)?
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Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver should have been introduced in Civil War. They could have been the ones to cause a similar incident to the one at the beginning of the comic.
I think instead of Ultron it would have been better for Red Skull to return as the Avenger level threat. He is revealed at the end of Winter soldier and it's revealed that Hydra has infiltrated the CIA, FBI, NSA and even other government agencies all across the world and the fear of government agents being Hydra agents makes it all the more difficult for the Avengers to take down Red Skull and Hydra for good. Then at the end of this Avenger movie it's revealed that Red Skull was creating a diversion for Thanos.
I think mirror villains are good sequel villains, but don’t really work in a movie that introduces your characters. If you start with a villain different than your character, you can effectively establish their strengths and weaknesses. Mirror match villains work for sequels because it can put the hero in a situation where they don’t have their major advantages and have to resort to using their powers or tools more cleverly than the villain, which can carry over to their next adventure where they use those skills. Like if you have the Flash face Captain cold in one movie, he’s facing someone who has a gadget that counters his powers well. If he faces Reverse Flash or Zoom next, he’ll have to find ways to be a more effective speedster and grow in his skills in a way that makes sense. Then he’s more prepared to fight a grander flash villain like Gorilla Grodd or aid in a Justice League level threat like Brainiac.
Sometimes I think those who came after Iron Man 1 relied *_TOO HEAVILY_* on copying it.
The biggest reason Obadiah worked as a Mirror Villain is because he perfectly represented everything that Tony had become up until being kidnapped.
He represented what Stark Industries *_used to be_* and played the resistance to change perfectly. Stopping Obadiah was the same as stopping Stark Industries continuing as a War-For-Profit Company. *_It was Tony killing off the man he was for good._* Doing it in the first movie made the most sense.
Another reason to add why Mirror Villains don't work this early is because *_"This could be You."_* doesn't really work when we're still learning who you are. MV's are supposed to put Us and the Hero in a State of Conflict. They exist to make us question everything we've done and if we're doing the right thing. They show us how one decision changes everything, and we get to see the results of those *_"What-If's"_* and that doesn't really work if you do it at the same time we're learning who the Hero is.
Ironically, Iron Man in Civil War was a better example of a *_"Mirror Villain"_* and he wasn't even one.
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I think the problem with these MCU movies is that they aren't made for fans of the original comics, they're made for the mainstream crowd. As such, they basically care more about getting recognizable figures out there than actually adapting them well, leading to less recognizable villians not appearing, and the villians that do show up to be inferior, mainstream versions of themselves to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Aren't you the Drinker Stan who insulted Synth Voice Actor bevause she was Trans?
Typical Drinker Fanboys
I feel like Zemo is a large stretch. It’s like they’re building him up *really* slowly.
I love that you showed avengers EMH clips the perfect blue print for a marvel cinematic universe!
9:24 yes!! The design in the movies so shoddy, I need to see that constant screaming mask, and the broiling energy within the maw! worse still was the quipping and emotional insecurity put above his capacity for calculated destruction. He could've been the best supervillain put to screen if handed better, and no the what if ultron doesn't make up for it even if he's cool.
I love seeing you reference the comics because the MCU has ruined so many characters I love from the comics and it's just so upsetting not seeing these dope ass characters come to life, this is why I love Avengers Earth's Mightest Heroes, it has tons of good heroes and villains, keeps their comic costumes, and makes the villain's motives actually interesting to watch
Same wirh armored adventures, except they modernize the suits without overdesigning them, LIKE THE MANDARIN, GHOST, LIVING LASER, IRON MONGER, etc.
You have to make more of these videos it’s nice to have someone that pays attention to the details that have to be changed
I really love this series not only are you teaching us how to make good villains you also highlights the stories from the comics for us to be interested in
MCU Zemo is underrated, he beat the Avengers and killed the king of Wakanda with nothing but a nasty plan. Only Thanos had more success and he needed cosmic plot armor to do it. Zemo just needed his brain.
Knowledgeable, enjoyable, amusing, well delivered.
Nice job - again
0:43 Thank you for this. As someone who was never and is not into comic books, I definitely needed someone to inform me of the stories I missed out on. And your part 1 video definitely made me aware enough of the lack of good stories in the MCU to actually reevaluate the franchise.
In defense of The Reverse Flash while he does have the same powers as the Flash he uses them much differently, like using the power to phase through anything to phase through vital organs and as Death Battle showed he has a more violent fighting style as he'd drag his victims around the world, reducing them to a mangaled mess at infinite speeds if he wanted to. Plus one unique power he has is the ability to age people to death, that and unlimited pettyness
Yeah I don’t know why he used reverse flash as an example when he’s one of the mirror match villains I think are done really well
@@lestatcanada do you think there's a better example of a bad mirror match villain he could have used?
Eobard Thawne The Reverse Flash is one of the best SuperVillains in all of comics. He may be the Best mirror type villain & he has a top 10 powerset in fiction
@@jackhamilton9604 I’m not too sure i especially don’t know for DC since I feel DC does mirror villains better then marvel does good% of the time
It's too bad that he's so petty. Thawne could easily wreck the League if he wasn't so busy trying to prevent Barry from paying his bills on time.
I'm loving this series!
As someone who doesn't read the comics and hasn't watched a lot of the animated shows this is teaching me a lot about characters that don't get to fully shine in the MCU
Great video. Only part I disagree with is the use of Reverse-Flash as an example, since he’s so much more than your average mirror villain. Keep up the good work, can’t wait for part 3.
Yes Reverse Flash is a villain who is the ultimate hater he dedicates his live to make flash's life hell
I love MCU hate videos. They make me feel so good.
x2. specially when you grew up reading comics
Ngl this is fast food tier content consumption marvel hate is just very satisfying to engage in
It’s a sincere deconstruction. The movies didn’t do a lot right and it’s time they get the same scrutiny the DCEU gets.
I think I've watched more hours of MCU hate than I have actual MCU.
@@georgerockwell6124 That's true, eating Mcdonald's reduce your years of life, just like waiting for mcu films it won't never be made, so that analogy is PERFECT
Agreed - there's nothing wrong with changing villains to suit your movie, so long as they remain true to the overall spirit of the original. They don't have to be the definitive version of their characters, just a satisfying variation. My benchmark for this tends to be the villains from the Burton Batman movies - they're all of them recognizably VERSIONS of their original selves, even though some of the details have changed considerably. Nicholson's Joker is still a cackling, egotistical, murderous lunatic with a clown/playing card motif; DeVito's Penguin is still a top-hatted, pudgy little gangster with aristocratic pretensions and a thing for birds and weaponized umbrellas, and Pfeiffer's Catwoman is still a slinky, athletic, feline-themed crook/antihero with a romantic interest in the hero. None of them are straightforward adaptations of the original characters, but they don't NEED to be; they're convincing enough as alternate versions of them.
Not so with the MCU villains - most of them are pretty much name-only, and are tailored strictly to fit the needs of the movies/shows they appear in, instead of to give the heroes a genuinely interesting opponent. I can think of like four, maybe five of them who've really worked for me so far, and that's not good, considering we're talking about the biggest franchise in movie history.
Before the trailer of age of Ultron came out and I was hearing about it from people, I couldn't believe that the MCU was going into Ultron that early considering is comic book and animation story... I said if they used Ultron as the villain, that means the MCU was ending... When the trailer finally came out and confirmed it (trailers come later in my part of the world, Nigeria), I thought that the MCU was about to end and I was sure of it because I knew how powerful Ultron was, I thought that at least, the MCU was about to change... I was a naive 3rd worlder then that had no idea about the dying creativity of Hollywood and the way they insult source materials... I didn't know much about the west then... I was but a naive kid back then until I saw the movie and I was like what am I watching... And I started losing faith in the MCU after that... The other movies rose my faith up but not to it's previous level especially since I started learning about the west when I discovered CZcams (again, my corner of the world) and now, it's no longer possible to lift my faith up in the MCU... The best you can do is slow the drop a little...
Kinda the same happened with me.
Yup, Hollywood & Disney do that a lot these days. Even if they lose money, they'll still hold onto their stubborn sense of pride. How do you think the Star Wars fans feel?
@@jefftheindianchief8279 I'm a star wars fan including and especially the prequels and I can defeat even mauler in advocating that it's not as bad as everyone makes it seem... And Disney should consider themselves lucky I live thousands of miles away from them... At least for now...
I've made so many comics modernizing the OG (in the technology not the story, don't be frightened, we all know what modernizing the story means in this day and age), coherently retelling the prequels to be more understandable and connecting the animations to it in it's proper places and oh boy when it comes to the sequels, I've rewritten it using their characters and plots, using only their characters and using the right characters and also made comics for other people's rewrites but it's not going away... The taste, is still there, to haunt my soul forever and beat the dead horse that is my childhood for ever existing in the first place...
And it's because of those idiots who say adaptations should be way different from it source material which is generally wrong, very very wrong in modern days and completely misunderstood by the modern writers...
Generally wrong because the best adaptations are always those who follow the source material and you can only mention a few good adaptations that doesn't follow the source material... Anime is kicking the west add for following the source materials and when they don't, they become the most hated things in the world called fillers and have you heard the take of the two Tokyo ghouls, the anime was shite for not following the source material and only got good when it followed the source material... Game of thrones got bad when it ran out of source material and was saved by house of dragons because it follows it source material... The lord of the rings is one of the most perfect set of movies if not the most perfect and that's because it followed the source material and the hobbits are hated for adding a whole lot of extras to it source material... Same thing for superhero stories... So when are we going to call out the fact that the best way to adapt is to closely follow the source material...
The reason for this is because the authors of comics and novels and sn original movie had spent years thinking of it and building the world and the characters and the writer knows the themes that the audience loved about it and kept them there for a reason after thinking about it for a long time and finding nuances so it doesn't become preachy... But the adaptation or continuation in the case of movie franchises are just done by a bunch of writers who couldn't make anything original on their own, all have different ways they see the story and might not be fans of it or might prefer or agree with the villain (which is basically most of the modern writers) and they have a very brief deadline and a producer that knows nothing about writing and wants space for visual spectacles as well as interferences from the studio itself adding their own agenda and profit mongering cliche formulas and quotas to the story, my god that's a country of cooks spoiling the teacup of broth... How do you expect anyone to come up with something better than the original author??? It's not possible...
And the people who prefer this provably false method are saying this because they haven't read the source material and don't want to seem less than the fans or as normies for only preferring to engage in a media if it is made in live action as if that's a bad thing to be such a person or they don't care about someone else's hardwork and the fans who made that hardwork popular enough to be adapted for them to see because to them, only their selfish pleasure matters... I'm not talking about critics who already know the source materials are better but choose to critic the movie only as a movie to give it a chance, I'm talking about the rest... And because they don't think, they consider the fact if the source material is that popular, why not adapt that source material??? The fans don't want to see anything else than the source material in a new medium not a new interpretation, and the non fans don't even know the source material to tell the difference so why not just please everyone and adapt the real deal and be as faithful as possible, you're not losing in anyway...
But it is narcissism... The proponent of this method don't know they caused the rot of the industry by encouraging and requesting for the writer's narcissism... They think they can do better in a shorter amount of time or that their own gripes with the story should be the only one that matters no matter how unique it is to only them... Do this method doesn't work in this modern age and yet, these selfish critics who don't want to research about the story or be corrected want everyone to be on their level in the knowledge about the movie or are too selfish to consider anything but their own entertainment are the ones demanding for adaptations in this manner, further justifying Hollywood's desecration of source materials because these guys think they would eventually get it right some how... They ask for a new spin for source materials they no nothing about because who cares about the hardwork kept in the story by the author, they only need his fans and brand recognition so let's steal his IP by deceiving him with fake promises they would never keep and ignore the fans that brought the story to their attention and was the reason they bought the IP and they need for their adaptation to be successful, if they try to leave, we would call them toxic and some overused word for one discrimination or the other and some moronic critics keep complaining about the product unaware that they are the ones asking for more by saying they don't care about the source material so they are getting what they asked for...
But to be fair to them, modern writers have completely misunderstood them and taken a different spin to a whole different level and choose to make stories that only themselves would like and no one else because if you give them an inch, they would take a light year so we can't trust them to make a different spin to the source materials because they would take liberty for freedom and freedom for self centeredness...
There's literally no reason to stray from the source material even in sequels, use what you already have to make a new story, just change up the characters and their personalities and then the plot and then redo the original again with new characters and a new plot and new stakes... How hard is that??? Don't change the settings or the themes or the power system, my god don't even add to it... At the very best, derive from it and don't create something entirely new like the effing snail bombers in the last Jedi and the entire Rey Kylo force dynamic in the sequels...
You would get all the fans, the normies who haven't interacted with the source material won't know what the story is about so to them, it might as well be a new spin, you would get profit from a bigger returns than the source material got because of new fans, normies and live action movies being more profitable than other mediums and people would be open to spin-offs or keep rewatching the movies like they reread the books... My god, there's nothing to lose... The only two reasons for ignoring the source material are narcissism and politics but then again, I repeat myself...
@@johnnycrown5097 so many truth you've spoken there
Is so tragic how disney dismerits Legends starwars & now they're doing the same with Marvel(since they're calling C.U.M. earth 616 instead of earth 199,999)
@@johnnycrown5097any thoughts on how Legends content is being constantly stolen by Disney despite its constanly disregard?
I remember when Ultron first emerged in the Avengers. Played by James Spader his beginning speech and deep voice made him eerie and menacing. But later makes him into a goofy quippy comedian. What a waste..they all wasted
Kevin Spader?
@@jackhamilton9604 ah James Spader sorry
can't wait to hear you pick apart Modok. I don't mean to be dramatic but the cinematic interpretation (if you can call it that) is genuinely heartbreaking. I've always respected Modok despite the inherent ludicrousness, but the Modok we need and deserve is entirely absent in Quantumania.
I'M JUST GONNA ADD: ROSS MARQUAND(Robot from Invincible) AS ULTRON WAS ONE OF THE BEST RECASTS I'VE EVER SEEN
Well, Spader has reprised the role in an Ant-Man special, and he'll do it again in the War Machine movie.
@@jonathancampbell5231 em, NO
1. Ultron has NOT being confirmed in Armored Wars
2. The one who voiced Ultron in Quantum Encounter WAS ROSS MARQUAND(Robot In Invincible)
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Hm, I didn't know that it wasn't Spader in Quantum Encounter- must have misread somewhere that it was.
Ultron is at least heavily rumoured to be in Armor Wars, though.
I want to thank these videos for reminding me who the villains other than thanos were
Ultron Was Bound To Fail Due To The Lack Of Introducing Hank Pym And Janet Van Dyne's Antman And The Wasp Prior to The Movie
I am excited for a full-length Age of Ultron video. There are really good points in these videos.
I never realized the MCU featured *this many* in regards to its villain roster from the comics that weren't center stage until this video.
First, Kang was defeated by being stabbed. Then Kang was defeated by Ant-Man and the Wasp. And now we're supposed to get excited to see him defeated again in the next Avenger's movie?
And his name is Kang. How is anyone scared of a dude named Kang that can't even beat ants? Going from Thanos to Kang is just hilarious. I'm just wondering how they'll butcher Galactus.
@@coltonwilkie241 They can't butcher him worse than Fox did, to be fair.
@@jonathancampbell5231 techically F4 2007 didn't butcher him, they did just like in ultimate comics, So the blame goes to Ultimate Cloud Galactus
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 I don't think he's based on Ultimate Galactus. They are pretty different. Ultimate Galactus is an army of robots.
They probably just made him a cloud because they weren't confident they could pull normal Galactus off.
@@jonathancampbell5231 as i said, I didn't say F4 2007 Cloudlactus was good, just said he was comic accurate, but is the ultimate universe, same universe where Dr. Doom is A Pony Furry & The Mandarin is a Crazy CEO A.I.
Fox only used Quicksilver when they heard he was going to be in the Avengers. He literally wasn't in the script for Days of Future past.
Age of Ultron should keep Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and vision BUT cut out the set ups for other movies. Joss Weadon said he wasnt going to do another because the studio insisted he include a) a set up for infinity war (the stones), civil war, black panther, and some other stuff i cant remember...
The Set Ups atleast made it important to the story, without it then it would've been even more forgettable.
he told a pretty good story. maybe it wouldnt be so forgettable to you if he had told the story he wanted @محمد العربي .
@@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805
The set ups made that movie justifiable to the mcu and important to that universe if not for that then it would've as forgettable as Iron man 2 or 3.
@@user-dl5ln3wd6f every movie made touches on the others.the movie doesnt have to justify itself by injecting references. i go to the movies to see a good story, not becasue they;re going to reference another movie i saw
@@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805
That's the Problem, the story was rushed and not so good. So the set ups were the only saving grace.
Funny how you see Darren Cross as a less charismatic version of Jon Bernthal... Because all i see is a less charismatic version of Tom Hardy.
Ronan was by far the most promising. They could have done so much with his character, yet they only wasted talent.
He could've easily been the space loki.
@@user-dl5ln3wd6f Loki IS space Loki.
@@BillyBillyson
You don't understand, just read the Annihilation Comics.
True about the mirror matches. Civil war has my favourite fight scenes because they pit people with different powers against eachother. Just weird that they had to make it hero vs hero for that to happen.
Ooooooo, gonna bring some snacks, waited impatiently for the second part and finally going to see that! Thank you for your videos!
I can actually provide a good reason for "I am you but evil" villians in the origin story of many superheros.
Since it is the origin story we spend a lot of time establishing exactly what the hero can and can't do. A majority of the run time, in fact. So the villian having the same powers saves us screen time and allows us to see how far our hero has come in understanding their own abilities because they're typically "the same but evil and more powerful" consider that Iron man beat Obadiah because he solved the icing problem and Stain didn't. After the first movie the "I'm you but" villian becomes redundant and could only be used as a bit of fanservice, the villian can show how powerful our hero is when he isnt bound by morality and heroics. Examples like Zod, Venom, and Owl Man.
Fun fact about MCU vs Fox quicksilver. He was added to DoFP AFTER it was announced he’d be in AoU. Originally juggernaut was going to be part of the prison break instead.
Something I want to mention about Vision:
Age of Ultron uses Jarvis as the basis for what he becomes in these films, so in a way, we've spent time with Vision over multiple movies because they are implied to be the same guy.
However, this also makes his development merely implied in subtext (Him experiencing everything unfold in the MCU and assisting Iron Man) rather than being far less vague and ambiguous thus far more powerful for the audience if we actually got it brought up at all, especially because of the wishy washy way they handled him becoming "a new thing" when he clearly IS supposed to be Jarvis given life by the Infinity Stone and not giving it attention ever again.
They don't do anything with this subtext to justify this decision and while understandable if you got that, it's stuck in the middle of two ideas, "Explore Jarvis being given life" and "Explore the newly born Vision being brought into this world", without committing to either. We even skip doing stuff like this between this movie and Civil War. He's just born a good guy.
It's a shame because before his death, there was a lot of room to write something much more tight if given the chance in hindsight, possible even taking advantage on the comic counterpart's' best traits.
Mcu Vision was NOT Jarvis, Vision was a Hive mind created by Ultron's remaining mind, Jarvis & the Mind Stone
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Vision was created by Tony's desire to protect the world as opposed to Ultron who was created from Tony's fear that he doesn't have control.
The sad thing is they could have brought back Baron Zemo as a part of Endgame. Instead of giving us a crappy Captain Marvel film they could have done Thunderbolts and done the plot from their maxi-series. It was perfectly set up with Thanos snapping away half the population. The world needs heroes and out of nowhere this new team appears. They help defeat Thanos, but the big surprise for casuals is that they are really all supervillains that reveal their true plan in an Avengers/Thunderbolts team up movie.
As for how they could have used MODOK, they had everything laid out for them in the comics and established in the films. Instead of doing WandaVision they should have made an Avengers West Coast movie. All the team was already introduced and they could have adapted the Vision Quest story. Have AIM steal Vision's corpse and have MODOK premiere as the villain in it. AWC2 would introduce Wanda's children and part 3 would reveal the truth that they were really pieces of Mephisto and Scarlet Witch would then go insane, so the teams have 2 problems to deal with.
Yes Zemo and Hela should have been in Endgame as if Thanos was behind Civil War and Ragnarok
If I were to redesign MCU Ultron, I'd slim down the number of segmented parts he has, and give him the jack-o-lantern face while keeping his eyes as James Spader's to give him some freedom of expression. So basically the Ultron Sentries with more expressive eyes. And maybe a red tattered cape to allude to his alias as the Crimson Cowl AND his Annihilation design.
If not that, then at the very least I'd keep the interior of his mouth glowing to make his design humanlike yet not at the same time.
Marvel already ruined Kang because his name is Kang and he can't beat ants so he's obviously gonna be dumpstered by the full B-Team Avengers. I'm just so giddy to see how they'll ruin Galactus when they get to that stage.
Love these videos, really looking forward to part 3!
Why does every villain HAVE to either a) be an evil copy of the hero OR b) have to DIE at the end?! They could be in the universe as more complex moving pieces but instead we rehash the same thing over and over. I really love these movies but the villains are my number one problem.
If they're "evil" then how are they a copy?
@@kieroncampion120 I'm clearly paraphrasing.
Nah i love how you reference the comics- cant wait for part 3 👌🏿
IMAGINE WRITING AN EMOTIONLESS ROBOT AS A CLOWN, & yet people think C.U.M. was good at some point XD
Ultron had Tony’s personality because he copied Tony’s personality when he was created. Ultron is both literally and figuratively a evil spawn of Tony and his inventions.
@@petermj1098 No, RDJ selfinsert didn't created Ultron in the C.U.M, Ultron already existed, RDJ & RUFFALO self inserts only awoke him, & by the way, were RDJ & RUFFALO self inserts, not just RDJ self insert
i hate to say it but i actually loved the MCUs Ultron, i love that he had a personality. robots especially robot villains are soooooooo boring. i can name like two that actually work Megatron and the Terminator every other robot sucks. i always found Ultron so boring in the comics and never understood why people liked him so much
& That, Mates, is why you should never watch Kokun Ball Z, it ruins your brain, as @@evenhartwick4422 is proving
@@evenhartwick4422 Megatron Isn't a robot, Dummie, He's a Cyberorganic form, Geez, make less evident you didn't finish elementary School
Super Villains then:Threat,Intimidating,shows no empathy,kills anyone including the heros lover or friend,and doing anything to accomplish there goals.
Super Villains Now:Bland,Ha Ha Funny,and Lame.
I was about to say, an masters of evil movie would of been sick. Having multiple characters with different powers and abilities facing each other would be cool.
& its even cooler when we previously saw all the characters in past projects
(That's one of the reasons I dislike SO MUCH Suicide Squad 2016)
Exactly! And suicide squad had potential but it became something that I regret watching and try my best to forget about that movie.
@@ThenameisKyle67 I much rather prefer when the super villain team is made by villains that we already saw, instead of being its forst introduction
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Agreed.
I’ve been waiting for part 2. Really enjoying the series 👍
Was waiting for this one
Dorammamu looked more like Baron Zemo than Baron Zemo
Holy shit,now I can’t unsee it. Great observation.
man the Thunderbolts aren’t even gonna be villains with the way things are going
Honestly the MCU is just a "Villain of the week" series.
They release movies every week? What?
For those saying “not everything has to be comic book accurate” NO, ATLEAST MOST OF IT SHOULD BE ACCURATE TO COMICS!!! It’s one of the reason why most of us are watching it. Most of us are comic book fans. What’s the point of watching a comic book movie when they won’t even respect the source material…
Exactly, One thing is watching the adaptation creating a New story but respecting & paying Homage to the source material(Like Arrow, Armored Adventures & ROTTMNT) & other is just Making Whatever trash you want while hanging from an already famous IP(like Supergirl 2015, FMA live action or Anything from fase 4)
That’s what I’m saying. Namor not being a Chad, Zemo being sympathetic, red skull being forgotten about, Ultron being an weak villain and instead being an emotionless killing machine he is an quipping? Not to mention no Rick jones, Hank Pym or Janet Van Dyme, etc.
Also the mandarin reveal of Travis Slatery was one of the worst moments in the mcu. Like what! It’s like if I’m watching the The dark knight movie and we think that the Joker is the villain but it turns out it that the Joker is just a pawn and an fake and it is revealed that it was Micheal Jai white as the Villain instead the entire time. Why would anyone think that would be an great idea to put in an movie???
@@ThenameisKyle67 It's like if in Superman & Lois Lex was actually just an actor called Alan Harper & the feal villain of the show is Felicity Smoak
I mean non of the things post 2000 for comic media is correct but shilla still love em.
Don't you dare to stop now XD....awesome analysis again, on point as usual, really want to see part 3
17:05 It’s not “superhero fatigue” it’s wanting quality in general
19:40
I find the whole "fatigue" argument is just an excuse for bad writing in anything.
Crossbones look so cool. Love the gloves
Vision, a villain turned hero is probably the worst in my mind. He’s been in so many movies, but every time he acts like a little bitch or sits around doing nothing. In Civil War he basically shows off his power by shooting a beam from his forehead powerful enough to make everyone stop on a dime to avoid getting obliterated. Then everyone else is fighting and he does nothing. He’s ridiculously OP going against a bunch of humans and instead he’s clearly the one holding the camera.
I have been saying this for years. The MCU successful as it was is still overly comedic to the point where it subverts expectations in a bad way. For example, Nick Fury saying "Last time I trusted someone, I lost an eye" only for that to be a alien cat in a comedic fashion. Granted, I would have liked for that not be showed and up for imagination. MCU uses comedy to subvert (undermine) a potentially compelling story. Oh well, the films printed money which is all they care about. Lucky for me, I still read the comics and stop expecting anything out of the MCU. Money talks I guess.
I'm sure the creators of the Winter Soldier didn't intend for Fury to make that comment about the cat scratch. That's square on the Captain Marvel writers.
@@donaldjgumpofficial5754 Really bad Bathos.
You make great points here. I think the one elephant in the room as to why the MCU makes such bland and forgettable villains is Disney. Disney is not interested in anything they can't market to kids and claim the moral high ground for doing so. Disney is not interested in villains they can't put into a costume and parade around kids in amusement parks.
The MCU had this problem long before Disney bought them though.
To be fair, Comic Book Civil War is just a bad concept executed badly, so you can't do much worse with it.
the tie-ins were pretty great, but yeah, the main event isn't nothing special, honestly
That’s right, HANK PYM created Ultron. (NOT STARK) Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyme are the Fouding Members Of the Avengers. He also became Yellowjacket. Anti-Hero.
This is a good series always look forward to it.
I think you missed the mark on Zemo. I've enjoyed the heck out of him so far. And let's face it, he did indeed defeat the Avengers. They never really recovered from what he put them thru. Other than that, loved the vids! Consider me subbed 👍
I miss the era where marvel was slightly serious and shield was a cool thing :(
Wild how 6 years back, I got called stupid and a contrarian when I said that comic book fatigue would set in eventually and the villians were kinda ass
Those were generic takes even 10 years ago.
really enjoying this so far!
Would it be possible to make a Successful Cinematic Universe using Original Characters inspired from the Movies that came before?
A Cowboy with an Enchanted Revolver, Wanting to repent for his Sins.
A Boy who lives in a Fantastical Machine World sets out to prove himself despite his Loving Fathers pleas.
A young karate prodigy who’s skills hinge between Reality and Fiction, Sets out on a Journey to sacrifice himself for his Home.
A Girl who meditates in a Circle Shaped Magical tree trunk everyday yearns for True Love. Through her enlightenment she see’s visions of a Looming Threat, An Abomination of the Gods. She see’s how the Love of a Boy from a distant Machine World, A prodigy Martial Artist & A gun slingin’ man’s guilt will save the World.
Your segment on this subject of all Marvel movies that they treated the villains more fairly tail liked than being evil. Bravo sir bravo!
Mcu ultron is more like Ratchet from the dreamworks movie robots than ultron, both visually and personality-wise.
Man would love to hear your thoughts on that new Netflix show “The Night Agent”. I saw it was no 1 for awhile but dont want to waste the time unless its worth it
Nothing made by them is worth it. When will you learn
The Night Agent was awesome, you guys are just cynical.
I think it would’ve been sick as hell for Ultron to have been set up in previous films. An idea that comes to mind is maybe having Tony Stark do some form of “side project” in between all of his iron man suits. You wouldn’t know what he’s working on, but you’d know that he’s up to something that isn’t his iron man suits which would intrigue and maybe even somewhat concern you. Maybe even by the end of Iron Man 3 in a post credit scene or just at the end of the film, Tony lays his side project out on the table and it just says “Project Ultron”, bringing a sense of dramatic irony as comic book fans know exactly what is about to come of this project while none of the characters have any idea of what’s about to come.
Crazy idea: why couldn't they have had Hank Pym be the main villain of Ant Man instead of Darren Cross? He was already an unlikeable ass in the comics, so why not lean into that?
This version of Vision is a combination of an infinity stone, Ultron, and Jarvis. The AI Tony created that was integrated into the Iron Man suits and would frequently aid the team. To say he just randomly decides to help is not true because part of him was always on the team.
True, but he still has extremely ambigus powers & A pretty incosistent characterization
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 I always kind of liked that about him a robot that slowly has to learn to be human. Like yeah doors would be foreign to him because when he was Jarvis he was literally always there in the house he probably saw Tony do all sorts of crazy stuff and was just like meh whatever. I will grant you his powers are inconsistent but to be honest the comic one is also inconstant, like he can alter his density grat how does that allow him to fly?
Not all of these villians are horrendous adaptations.
Baron Zemo is not like the Mandarin and he is not another disappointingly tragic bastardization.
Zemo IS one of the MCU's most iconic villians though and neither him nor some of the others were degraded into a forgettable nobody.
They did not go too far or make him too normal, him looking that normal works really well to contrast with how dangerous he is and can be. They did not try too hard to make him empathetic or relatable either they tried just hard enough, and he does not become a boring fart that puts you to sleep whenever he's on screen instead he is a pretty intriguing and notable villian.
He is intimidating and he is certainly dangerous, he killed the king of Wakanda after all and he split the Avengers up and got them to fight each other and tortured and killed people too and did other stuff too so yeah he is intimidating and dangerous.
He does not look like he'd struggle to make his dog go potty outside, he looks smart but humble and looks like someone you could underestimate.
Him in Falcon and the Winter Soldier does suck but in Civil War he was great.
Deadpool is not the only movie that knows how to make a good looking mask, most movies do like Captain America and Spider Man Homecoming.
Zemo is not a sad pudge in Civil War though and there he is one of the greatest villians in the MCU.
He and the other villians are not big brown stains in Civil War.
Wow, He hurt your feelings, Sweetie, Go cry to another place 😘
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 He didn't, I just am responding to what he said is all.
@@jaydenc367 You wrote 8 paragraphs of pure crying just because a random goon from youtube didn't share your opinion 🤣
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 They weren't crying they were good counter arguments. I did it cuz he was just wrong.
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Plus hey...it's not the most ridiculous thing ever, full on wars have happened over a difference of opinion.
Really disappointed you didn't roast Ronan more- he's not necessarily even a villain, just a Lawful Neutral enforcer of the Kree, basically "Judge Dredd in Space". They made him a genocidal terrorist in the movie who comes off as more of an irrational nutjob.
They Could Of Stuck With Hank Pym And Janet Van Dyme As The OG Avengers In The First Avengers Movie Instead Of Hawkeye And Black Widow.
Zemo in Civil War was perfect for the movie and he actually did win. Can't say that to the other villains before him.
Yeah I mean he did actually do some damage and so I do think it's pretty cool to alter him.
I see ur point about Zemo but I personally liked him and thought he was one of the best MCU villains after thanos and Loki. I understand it’s not true to the comics and could be better but as far as villains go he was good
Yeah because I think he along with Wolfgang should have been in the First Avenger but I also think he has a better motivation than Lex in BVS because Phoenix Studio pointed it out.
The problem with Zemo in Civil War is that he really could have been anybody; even his name is only spoken once I think in a throwaway line (that I actually missed the first time), then Tony sees it on a screen for a second later. He could have been John Smith and it would have made no difference at all- he's only Zemo because it was technically a Captain America movie.
That, and his plan is heavily dependant on chance and on none of the characters thinking straight for more than ten minutes.
@@jonathancampbell5231 yeah well before Civil War was released I was expecting that Zemo was going to be the last of the Hydras and he is a real baron and just like the bad guy from Lethal Weapon 2 he has diplomatic immunity and I also expecting that he and Crossbones are working together to take the Avengers because this 17:49 was a missed opportunity along with Wolfgang.
Let me remind you again sir, we are waiting for part 3, understood!
you reached with the ultron design
Another reason I think Ultron is the best comic book movie villain is that he's completely unstoppable until the Avenger all face, reflect on and ultimately overcome the resentment that was holding them back. When Vision lifts Mjolnir, it symbolises that the Avengers have grown into something worthy of taking down Ultron and everything he stands for.
When the Avengers fight Ultron the first time, they're figthing to preserve the status quo, when they fight him in the third act, they're fighting to protect and inspire humanity.
The only mirror versions of characters I like are the tf2 vs tfc in the comics because at least the tfc had something that made them more special, besides the medic because he died which even then the tf2 medic can’t be out done
09:38 The Avengers point out Ultron's contradicting nature. They question why he chose a human form when it wasnt the most functional, they questioned why he didnt assimilate jarvis but instead tore him apart, and of course, the fact that ultron wanted to save the world by destroying it and forcing humanity to evolve from the ash-heap. Joss said ultron wasnt a being of logic, he was a deeply disturbed, emotional robot.
11:21 ultron is linked to Thanos' arc. Tony had a vision of the avengers losing badly (by thanos' hand) so he went too far to try and create the 'suit of armour around the world'. if it werent for the cosmic threat , tony wouldnt have decided to risk using the mind stone to fast-track Ultron's creation.
12:10 Darren cross yellow jacket, I dont mind superheroes facing evil versions of themselves, I get why people say it sucks, but it shows how good the hero is if theyre facing a threat that has their power set because it highlights to the audience why the hero is special (yellow jacket was more powerful than antman but antman used his knowledge of the quantum realm to beat cross, iron monger's suit was more powerful than iron man, but iron man used his experience of the icing effect and the arc reactor to defeat iron monger, evil mirror versions are fun because it shows that its not the powers that make the hero.)
13:43 Crossbones was always planning to kill himself, he told his men he wouldnt see them again. im not being a contrarian, but i genuinely liked the mega-tonne punch gauntlets. It added more weight to the punches captain america took. also, it was shown in previous movies that he couldnt actually take on captain america, so why not upgrade him?
15:25 the "fault doesnt come in because she fails to save absolutely everybody" the "fault came in" because, as explained in the movie, the avengers are an authority unto themselves. there is zero oversight. theyre not accountable to anyone.
17:05 idk if maria hill being an example of supervillains sucking. as she's been adapted as a hero.
19:20 when adapting superman to man of steel, they ditched the red underpants because "they couldnt find a justification for them in context". Captain america villains are more grounded in reality (batrok the leaper didnt look like his comic counterpart because it was a relatively serious spy movie, same thing here.) You say they made him 'too normal' but it fits that he's not a larger than life villain hell bent on world domination; the real story was the avengers breaking up (hence why the climax isnt cap vs zemo it's cap vs iron man); zemo was the best villain to instigate it given his scheming ability. also the tv shows are piss and dont exist.
21:14 Kaecilius thought the ancient one gaining longevity from the dark dimension but not letting others do it was hypocritical, and he sought it for himself. the only way he and strange are 'mirror images' is that they both do magic. Mordo turned evil because he saw magic as disrupting the natural order. Mordo was being set up as a future threat. A threat that'll have more impact as he and Strange have significant backstory.
The flash is the only superhero that should only have other speedsters as his villains. countless youtubers have pointed out how silly it is that a man who can run so fast that he can travel through time, is defeated by a man with a flamethrower
Ultron not being a robot of logic is Joss Whedon's Interpretation. It's not a fact or canon.
@@user-dl5ln3wd6f irrelevant. the criticism in this video is of the MCU. to say it's dumb that ultron hates humanity but wants an expressive face/human shaped body is to not have watched the movie. ultron isnt pure logical; he's overly emotional. this is shown time and time again.
I remember reading the osp reimagining of Marvel movies if Quick Silver lived in the mcu which made me much sadder about his death
13:15
This part I can't agree on.
because Yhea he is a bad ass assassin, but he was under control of Hydra and is brainwashed to be a cold hearted in that movie.
And in civil Warr he's getting his memories and humanity a bit back.
So I can understand why Bucky would hold back to kill someone and be a bit scared.
But I can agree that his skills are a little bit weak compared to the winter soldier.
Because even though he is getting softer doesn't mean he forgets his fighting skills.
You’d think the “age of ultron” would be more than one movie lol