This video is a compilation of the following: -The MCU's Thor Is not Marvel's Thor -Thor Ragnarok, but as a Dark Knight Sequel -Modern Thor Is Apathy Incarnate
There's 3 good Thor movies and he's pretty good in the Avengers movies, especially infinity war. We also got a lot of good depiction of Loki, Odin, Thor's mom, etc. Y'all are so frickin spoiled. We wouldn't have dreamed of getting such movies just a mere 20 years ago.
@@histguy101 Ok? we can still critiize the slop were getting know it doesn't matter if we got good deceptions back than. Were in the now were Thor is a bumbling idiot whos overly emotionally completely betraying his comic counterpart and Loki at this point is not even Loki just a cheap creul imitation. Not even mentioning the other murders of the other Avengers personalities.
All marvel needs right now is just a character that is immortal i do not think there is a character in the comic that is called immortal i hope there is not maybe i don't do research
@@histguy101it would have been one thing if marvel studios paid you off to defend their mediocre movies, but the fact you’re doing it for free is even more shameful
50:26 You also forgot to mention that she was also a slaver who sold countless people to their deaths just so that she could get a drinking money. If Thor wasn’t worthy to be the Asgardian King because he’s drunk and fat, then Valkyrie is wayyyyy less worthy because she’s drunk and killed innocent people. And the worst part is that since the characters (more like Taika and the Russos) considered Valkyrie’s track record of slavery to be in the past, they just forgave her and pretended that her crimes never exist. At least Wanda have someone calling her out (albeit too little). Valkyrie has none.
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It's ironic how much Thor was hurt by Marvel's debilitating need to be constantly cracking jokes, because great comedy comes from contrasting personalities clashing in ways that feel natural, not every single character being the same kind of snarky douchebag who's seemingly always practicing his stand-up routine. A faithful portrayal of Thor would have made for a wonderful contrast to so many other characters, and therefore much funnier interactions.
They ended up having only 1 type of comedy towards the end of phase 1. Each character loses the unique style of humour they need. Tony and Spiderman can be quippy, maybe Hawkeye (but even then different flavours can be done with snarky, dry, deadpan or other). Thor, if he needs to be funny, can provide humour from the oddity of a genuine godlike being being in a normal world.
Literally the ''Shakespeare in the park? Dost mother know you weareth her drapes?'' Scene in The Avengers was so funny because it's a 21st century billionaire playboy showman meeting a 1500 year old Norse ''God'' who's super serious. So yes, it's exactly as you say. The contrast would create the humor. But fanboys only have themselves to blame for this one. People still claim Ragnarok is one of the best MCU films. It's one of the worst. Black Panther, Endgame, Ragnarok.
That's what happened in Avengers EMH, and it was great. Thor would clash with Iron Man over magic vs. technology, and their different personalities and backgrounds made the humor work.
See my thing with Fat Thor is that could have worked more if it didnt have an air of humor to it. I personally always got the point of it being about grief and depression. But because they made it like "thor is fat, laugh" many people didnt take kindly to it. i always looked at it like damn he's really going through it, trying to cope but everyone can clearly see he is suffering and running away from it and not acknowledging his emotions. His emotional moment with his mom would have been more impactful if Thor was more fantastical. Playing into his Game of Thrones esc world would have made it great rather than it being sci fi but maybe thats just me
Another thing is that Thor was also supposed to be the next Protector of the 9 Realms but I guess he only had to take care of New Asgard and maaaybe Midgard, so what the hell happened to the other 7 realms? He even said in Ragnarok that the 9 realms are in "chaos" and that they're "plotting Asgards demise" and yet we see none of that.
They Nerf Thor so Captain and Ironman sell more When Thor IS literally the Captain América incorruption Cap have Civil War and made a Mess because IS human also Tony arresting heros
Ironically enough, James Gunn, somebody with talent and a vision, took the guardians, a bunch of literally who z listers, and made them some of the standout characters of the franchise.
@@ValiantJack James Gunn could change and take a lot of creative liberties because at the time no one even knew who they were. The directors can’t do the same with Avengers or X men.
@@justasentientmclarenp1879 That’s true, i suppose the success of the guardians created a ripple effect where they tried to make every character into le quirky goofballs, hence Thor Ragnarok
@@personafanatic4597the god of thunder couldn’t even take a little electricity and it was at that moment I knew that Thor 3 was going to be absolute poop
@@InevitableOption-ic2vx because it was 2011. We were not at a point when a superhero movie could be genre breaking outside of an action movie. We wouldn’t get that until Joker. Thor as a character was somebody nobody cared about before that time especially since he wasn’t doing shit in the comics. If the audience of 2011 general audiences were going to be shown this fantasy epic on the heels of iron man and hulk they’d have been confused especially if what followed it was another action movie in The First avenger and Avengers. Thor would still be the odd one out but it would have looked more comicbooky which would have turned people away
You're so right about Asgard being made more science fiction than fantasy. Thor 2 should have excelled at this considering the director of that movie is a director from GoT.
I bet that was a conscious decision by Marvel. Bet the director wanted a fantasy/period style. But Marvel knew Thor would have to fit with the modern world with Stark etc so made Asgard furturistic which made no sense why he was a fish out of water on earth 😅 Maybe also to look different from Game of Thrones which was popular at the time!
Since we have Thor problem, now I would love to see your video about “The MCU Wanda Problem”. Because with Wanda, the MCU managed to open a pandora box of superhero genre that is the “protagonist-centric morality” aka “it’s okay when we do it” trope. Just look at the amount of superheroes in media who committed evil acts but were being portrayed as good things ever since that quote “They will never know what you sacrificed for them”.
i know someone who loved the second dr strange movie but i can't for the life of me see why. it's complete shit with so many problems that it breaks my brain to think of them all
The biggest problems with marvel and dc is that when they hire people to adapt their characters, they pretty much always hire people that couldn’t give two shits about the source material, unlike lord of the rings, where you can clearly tell that the people behind that cared about the source material they were pulling from, and had respect for Tolkien and his work
the source material wasn't written with the same care and depth tolkien novels are. comics literally come from low quality pulp fiction. no one in real life is going to talk like characters do in the comics. even if there is some concept or idea that Thor was supposed to represent, it likely is something that is irrelevant today (such as how iron man represents american exceptionalism in the cold war). the serialised format is also fundamentally different owing to differing lengths and how impactful each plot beat must be. barring Thor 4, Thor is exactly as he should be in the MCU.
Loki is a great show. I really like his take on a lot of things, but on that show it’s a bad take. It’s well written, sticks within its established character behavior and has a good story. Instead of complaining he should try watching it for what it is instead of what he wants it to be.
The MCU Thor problem, much like problem with any project based on an existing IP that doesn't live up to its source material, is they keep hiring ignorant, dispassionate people to handle these movies. Not to point fingers, but you all guessed who I'm talking about. It's not even a question if the filmmakers are preexposed to the source material. They don't have to be gigafans, but at least their sensibilities have to fit in with the source material they're adapting. If you vibe with something, you can become a fan overnight. Chris Nolan wasn't collecting comic-books as a kid, but his sensibilities fit like a glove for a gritty take on Batman. Waititi's problem isn't that he's a comedy guy. Waititi's problem is that it's all he is. There are no layers to him. You could've done, in theory, a comedic take on Thor that still feels like Thor and can fill in MCU's quota for "it has to be fun or it shouldn't be made"; a Thor movie in the style of Pirates of the Caribbean or the first Hobbit movie. Instead, we got a Thor movies that are Thor movies in name only and could've been about any other MCU character, since there is nothing distinctly Norse or mythic about them. Thor doesn't act like Thor, characters from Thor's iconography barely appear or resemble what they're supposed to be, there are no grand adventures across mythic realms, there is no sense of verisimilitude, no earned drama, nothing. It's quite sad now that to the general audience the default image of Thor is a bumbling fool who speaks in plain Modern English and treats inanimate objects better than he does The Warriors Three and Sif.
@@ccshumshum8104 no, I was actually thinking mainly about Ragnajoke when pointing out those things, because that movie has all the problems I'm talking and was a stepping stone for a downward spiral that the character fell into. I don't ever consider Dumb and Thunder a movie worthy of sufficient criticism when Ragnajoke was the one to commit all those sins first.
It took years but I finally found someone else who saw all the problems with Ragnarok. I can never enjoy that movie, and that was the beginning of the end of my MCU interest.
the wannabe science fantasy nature of the first 2 movies makes them repulsive. there is 0 depth in Thor or Asgard, ver little is is lost in this reinvention. 3 is much better.
As much as I agree with everything else , I feel you were very unfair with the scene of Thor and his Mother reuniting .It was not merely him being a crybaby and getting his spirits lifted .It was kind of a poignant bit of Thor having fallen to Depression after such profound loss after loss and being reminded by said someone he lost long ago that his suffering does not make him lesser and that within him still remains the Strength and worthiness to fight .All the things around it were awfully made but it was still a nice bit .
I like the scene too but it's as if you found a piece of chocolate covered in poop, you can still eat it but ultimately the poop is being eaten too and the chocolate isn't as good as it could've been.
Here’s a reminder for you all, the mcu got Anthony fucking Hopkins as Odin and did absolutely nothing with him and gave him nothing to work with, they got the greatest living actor for Odin as did nothing with it, they pretty much did nothing with everything else as well, they never explore any of the Norse myths, that could have been really cool, they never explore the 9 realms, we olny get to see a little bit of jutunheim, vanaheim and muspelheim, we never see any of the other Norse gods except for Odin, Thor, loki, heimdall, frigg, sif and hela, we never see Freyr, freya, baldur, magni, modi, jormungandr, tyr, bragi, forseti, njord and mimir, I could name many more but you get my point. And all the gods that we do see are all a huge disappointment from what they could have been, all we see from the valkyries is just pure poop, it’s all just so disappointing, and all in all Thor in the mcu is absolute ass and his world and cast is as much if not bigger disappointment than himself
23:20 If Shane Black directed *Superman & Lois* he would make Lex Luthor just an actor called Alan Harper & the REAL villain of the show is FELICITY SMOAK
The fact that I had to experience the sheer brilliance of the story in Planet Hulk through a disappointed criticism of movies that blew any hopes of the story coming to the screens honestly makes me so sad. Seemed like it could’ve been a guaranteed S tier movie
I can’t thank you enough for ripping into Thor Ragnarok. I want justice for my boy Thor and your right, as much as I love him the mcu didn’t push his character far enough.
I’m only now realizing Thor 4 should’ve been Thor settling the power vacuum left by the destruction of asguard and the snap. You could even include the guardians seeing as they’d be after the same goal. It could also easily tie into a Thor 5 (which if they HAD TO they could’ve used gorr)
HBO are not the ones to blame for the failure of Game of Thrones’ final two seasons. That blame goes to D&D for not accepting their offer to make more seasons after Season 6 was complete and just deciding to rush the rest of the show just to fill their own egotistical resumes as the creators of that show.
I still think Ragnarok is awful. There is one scene that is memorable and the rest is terrible. It needed to slow down and take itself seriously. Its the marvel equivalent of a prank video made for ten year old.
The most ridiculous thing was how many times Thor is electrocuted. First by Darcy’s taser. I understand that he had lost this powers then, but in reality, a man the size of Hemsworth can shake off even a cop’s taser. Certainly not be knocked unconscious for hours while he is strapped down in a hospital bed, wearing a hospital gown. He didn’t wake up through all that from one zapped from a consumer grade taser to the god of thunder? Then Valkyrie shocked him a zillion times and knocked his ass out. Not really a god of thunder? Before the fan boys repeat Taika’s retcon excuse that it was a neurotoxin, not electricity, that’s a lie. That was only after it was pointed out how stupid and wrong it is for a man who channels lightning bolts, which are more powerful than an atomic bomb, can be electrocuted by a tiny disk on his neck, like a dog’s shock collar. It was not intended to be a neurotoxin. If so, then Taika didn’t do his homework because everyone thought it was electricity until he gave his bad excuse and fan boys lapped it up. He should have known that no neurotoxin makes static and crackling noises. Neurotoxin don’t make human nervous system sudden shake the same way a body would with electricity. Take a large dose of oxycodone and you will just go to sleep. Take the same dose of fentanyl and you will go to sleep and never wake up. That’s how most nerve agents work. I know of none that make someone shake like that and neither does anyone else because everyone thought it was electricity after seeing the movie. When you use electric noises and have the actor shake like being electrocuted, that’s what the audience will think and will laugh that the demigod of thunder and lightning can be electrocuted. Taika should just admit he made a mistake and wasn’t thinking or reading the comics at all, that’s because Taika has no respect for the character or comic and made the movie he wanted. Even a seizure is not as violent as electrocution. Seizures have larger muscle jolting, where an electrocution makes every small muscle jerk very quickly, like the way Hemsworth did in Ragnarok. The MCU hates Thor. I don’t know why they even decided to use him as an Avenger if he was going to only be the butt end of everyone’s jokes? I only got a bit excited during Infinity War during the second half of the movie. Thor’s scene with a CGI raccoon happened to be one of the best scenes they ever gave Hemsworth to give Thor some depth. His reveal on the Wakanda battlefield was the pinnacle of Thor in the MCU. It made me excited for Endgame, actually wanting to believe that they would take Thor into a dark place, but not the fat surrender ass we got, it someone on a path more like Ronan. Why’s is it that Hawkeye gets a better depression actions more interesting than Thor. Imagine Thor going that dark and the damage he could do, but only if they gave him the real Thor power like in the comics? Thor would not give up and get fat. Thor should have wanted retribution, so when he got a chance to finally face a Thanos, he should have been a much greater foe for Thanos than Captain America. Fat Thor was funny for about a minute. Thor’s powers are magical, he shouldn’t have to work out to get strong. Does Superman have to do reps at the local gym to stay buff? It would make more sense for Hawkeye to get fat. He’s just a human and lost his entire family. Thor isn’t human, he shouldn’t get fat. When I saw that first scene, I thought that once they told him they could get another shot at Thanos, he’d call down lightning and Boom! He’d be chiseled Hemsworth once again. Nope, we were stuck with fat Thor for the entire movie. That sucked for Thor fans. Yours right, he was just a menace on the battlefield. When Captain America has to save your ass, you’re not much of a superhero. Thor should have been able to at least hurt Thanos, even with his bare hands. They destroyed Thor in Endgame. Tony said it right calling him the big Labowski, because that’s what Thor became. He’d have been more at home in movie The Big Lebowski. I was so disappointed when I came out of the theater after Endgame and hearing everyone else excited about how good it was. Endgame sucked. I thought for sure they would let Thor do the snap? Why not? He was the one who felt responsible for allowing Thanos to snap everyone away. His redemption arc would be snapping everyone back, even if he died doing it. I would have rather had Thor go out a boss, like Tony did, rather than continue on with this pitiful Thor character the MCU has created. They couldn’t even give us that, instead, Banner gets the snap? It may make sense because he’s the strongest, but there is no through-line between Hulk and Thanos. That’s bad storytelling, like Arya killing the a Night King, it made no sense. She had no run-in with the villain until five minutes before she easily killed him. Everyone knows it was supposed to be Jon Snow. What? The Hulk lost one fight with Thanos? Thanos killed Thor’s brother and best friend and Thor had a chance to kill Thanos, but instead decided it torture him for the pain he has caused Thor. Like Thor told Rocket, “what else can I lose”. He was in the depths of despair then and that was before the snap. They didn’t pay off Thor’s best scene in the saga. Big deal, he got to kill weak Thanos, with help from Captain Marvel, of course, in a seen so short that if you stopped to get popcorn you would have missed it. Thor deserved more for everything he had been through. They could have paid off all those crappy Thor movies that came before by letting him do the snap or at least really injure Thanos in the battle, rather than just having his ass handed to him time after time. I’m done with the MCU. They also destroyed Captain America when they turned him into a coward version of Joe Biden. “Screw this world, I’m dancing with Peggy and will use my super soldier endurance to win dance marathons”. Twinkle Toes Ragers was his new name and he and Peggy danced in the police state that Red Skull had created after Hydra took over with their airships that could target any enemies from hundreds of miles. Great job Marvel. At least you didn’t ruin Ironman. Tony got a boss ending, but poor T’Challa got to die offscreen from a virus? That makes no sense, any virus that can take down anyone who drank the purple juice would wipe out their entire nation. He had advanced healing, how can he die for the flu? It wasn’t even some weaponized virus made by an evil madman. That would be too much story for them to deal with, they need to get it over quick and milk whatever tears they could for poor Chadwick. They couldn’t even celebrate the character’s death by making it a sacrifice. What a slap int ej face of Boseman, he deserves better.at least give him a memorable death and go out a hero. Since his uniform covers his entire body, he could have easily been taken out while saving the world, or at least saving Wakanda. The MCU loves giving the characters embarrassing deaths and endings. They have lost it and now it’s going to only be female heroes from now on. If Captain Marvel, with Brie Larson, is the best the MCU can do for a good female superhero, I’m out!
Thor should of snapped everyone back, hell let him snap Asgard back and have him lose his arm to have segue into Thor 4 where Jane takes up the hammer like the lady Thor comics. I was okay with the idea of Thor falling into depression after everything that happened but making it a big joke (+ with him being fat) just came across as shitty all around.
Yup, just as Stupid as when in Iron Man 3 IRON MAN IS USING A CAR BATTERY TO CHARGE A NUCLEAR REACTOR, that's basically like trying to fill an desertic ocean with 1 single Waterglass
I totally agree with everything you said! I call upon all of us Marvel Fans! Let us unite together and write our own Marvel Cinematic Universe with great and consistent characters! Let us show them what it is that makes those characters great!
Imo Ragnarok absolutely killed Thor and thats the REAL Downfall Although the first 2 movies were a bit bland at least Thors character himself was written decently to pretty good. Ragnarok is just... Man i hate him in it Hes just so goofy and theres so serious serious moments in that movie that are seriously undercut with jokes. I blame taika for killing thor
Honestly, they got rid of Asgard too quickly. Ragnarok should have been a much later movie. MCU should’ve stuck with the comics stuff. They should have had Hela be Loki’s daughter like she is in both Comics and Mythology. Let Hela rule the land of the dead, where she’s at her most powerful at. They should’ve replaced Hela with Angela. Like Angela is Odin’s first born; so why not have the movie about her and the realm she grew up in. Which brings me to the topic of how the MCU forgot to add many other asgardian characters such as Amora the Enchantress and Balder.
Thor used to be self conscious and died his deye brows.. it’s like a personal journey in the background.. apparently he did for over 1000 years only to finally stop before Thor 2 : the dark squirreled.
Thor comic was the Captain America of MCU, incorruptible with speeches and unique quotes Yet he is a pet for comedy just like Hulk They can't adapt one story without being nerf Thor and FUNNY JOKES Literally Butcher of Gods and Ragnarok are really good, dark with fantasy and a message Now is just trash from Corpo disney
Love & Thunder should’ve been Infinity War & Ragnorak Thor, a few jokes tossed around every now & then but an overall more mysterious, darker, violent & powerful. Gorr In L & T was legit kinda scary sometimes. Imagine that against a serious & traumatized Thor
You're generally spot on but dishonest regarding Superman. Superman is far from always good and never changes, that is the crux of Superman II - also you suggest that Superman never faces temptation but that also is the core message of Superman vs The Elite, he literally makes a speech about it, and mentions it as frustrating when he goes all out on Darkseid in the finale episode of JLU. For someone so detailed I am honest baffled by your simplistic and immature assertions about Superman.
I wish they would've got Malaketh more true to his comic version! I would LOVE to see a Live Action Movie based on the several issue Thor storyline that's called "WAR of the REALMS"! If you haven't read ut yet, I highly suggest that everyone should check it out! Bc it also involves a LOT of Marvel Superheroes on Thor's side & a lot of Villians on the other side! The Battles Break out throughout ALL of the 9 REALMS with a lot of Casualties on both sides by the time the WAR is over. If Disney/MCU would get the RIGHT Director that would stay TRUE to the Source Story, then Disney/MCU should let the people make the movie that EVERY FAN will LOVE!
I really did like the 2nd Loki series which was in a multiverse - a different Loki, and they state right off it is a multiverse and a different "variant" Loki. So I can divide it, and in fact, it reminded me more of Dr Who, which is gone now, so I guess I have to take my Dr Who where I can find it. If you watch the 1st Loki series, one of the Lokis says he DOES get away from Thanos by using illusion. He teaches the protagonist Loki how to more fully explore his power and how many more illusion powers he has. In other words, the Loki that comes to that series does not have a full understanding of his power yet and is taught them - time control, mind enchantment, etc, by the many versions of himself he runs into. The Loki he runs into says, We are far more powerful than we realize. A fun concept. I think the female Loki is meant to be a concept of the Enchantress - not a very good casting choice - while a good fighter and excellent enchanter, she is a complete failure as a person and is the one responsible for destroying everything through her insatiable and selfish desire for revenge. So she is broken and Loki has to fix the mess she makes. Now, according to ancient Norse myths, Loki was NOT the god of evil. He was a trickster, and he did some nasty things, but he was a helpful god who understood things didn't need to be done forthrightly all the time. People would pray for help in financial deals and such. The other gods would turn to him for help when they needed some streetwise help. He got the other gods out of many problems, which is why he was considered Odin's friend. He only became "evil" in the Christian era when he gathered the identity of the devil.
34:14 That's Actually Pretty Accurate & One of the Biggest Examples was the animated Show FANTASTIC 4 WORLD'S GREATEST HEROES where: -Originally Moonscoop wanted to gave Sue Pink Anime Hair -They wanted to make Doom 100% Tech based & with No Magic Powers(he would even had Iron Man Blank-Light Eyes) But Marvel Pushed Back those ideas in favor to respect the Escence of the Characters, & Thx to that WE GOT THE BEST DEPICTION OF THE F4 ON ANIMATION
Technically the purpose of Thor’s helmet was used for a ceremony it was not designed for battle. Also, Chris Hemsworth hated the helmet that’s why he didn’t use it in the first Thor movie. Also, what are your thoughts on Ultimate Avengers 2 ? The Ultimates Volume 2 wasn’t even finished yet and they had to come up with an original story for the sequel of the first movie.
That isn’t in the movie tho, they never state that’s it’s only for ceremonies, and am I supposed to believe a multi billion dollar company couldn’t make a more wearable helmet, and I don’t care that hemsworth didn’t like the helmet, he’s getting paid millions, he has no right to complain about the hamlet being uncomfortable, when hiddelston wore the horned helmet
There is also something else I would like to add and that is that, modern actors are a bunch of pussies, they are so comfortable and refuse to go thru any hardship, if you look at behind the scenes stuff on lord of the rings, there are stories of actors breaking bones and still pushing through, there is blood and sweat that went into that trilogy, hemsworth being a lazy fuck when it comes to wearing the helmet is a perfect representation of modern actors, they refuse to go thru anything at all, they are way to comfortable and can’t go anywhere without their assistants, it’s no wonder why so many modern movies suck absolute balls, the people that make them refuse to go thru any hardship or struggle
30:31 Spiderverse called the MCU earth 99999 I think? And since Mysterio is lying and Christine was just making up the classifications, but Miguel actively travels the multiverse, I'ma go with the Spiderverse version. That the MCU is earth 99999
Too be fair Loki in the comics has had anti hero or hero versions like god I’d story loki , kid loki and modern comics loki are anti hero/ heros in marvel comics
Thor should have snapped instead of Hulk and lost his arm. Thor felt like a failure because he did not stop the Snap when he could have. Hulk should have fought Thanos and become professor hulk. Hulk lost his friends and couldn't protect them because he wouldn't let Banner help him. Thor, now depowered legitimately, could join the fight against Thanos, but can't keep up, queue Banner watching Thanos almost kill Thor which brings out the Hulk finally. However Hulk still struggles against Thanos, and you have a nice quick scene where Banner is yelling at Hulk internally on how to beat Thanos. Hulk makes a deal with Banner, the deal is Hulk wants to WIN this fight, BAM Professor Hulk. Thor then could "retire" as an Avenger and take over as King of Asgard, and Hulk gets the much deserved rematch AND end his arc nicely as well. Lay down some hints that Thor and Hulk could return later down the line. I am one man and I did the work of an entire writing department.
Fat Thor isn’t even mythologically accurate. The idea a God who eats and drinks like a dumpster, must also be as fat as the mere mortals who also eat and drink like dumpsters completely misses the point of mythology and divine idealization. The concept also completely ignores all primary sources we have on Thor specifically, who’s described as powerfully built, and zero mention of being fat. So Fat Thor pisses me off twofold. For missing the point of the comics, and for bastardizing the mythology said comics are based on.
45:13 Peter Parker and Matt Murdock should have been able to lift the hammer, considering that both of them have to sacrifice the most to be the heroes.
That's NOT how it Works, Mjolnir requires Not only to have a Good Moral Heart & Unbreakable Spirit, it also requires a Warrior Spirit & The courage to take lives when is necesary, that's why DD & Spidey Can't, while for Example Snake Eyes & Superman Could when they got the chance, Because not only they are pure goodness, they also don't hesitate to take dangerous lives when is necesary
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 According to this, then Tony Stark is also worthy, isn’t it? Because he’s not afraid to kill his enemies when necessary but we all know that he’s not worthy because “he killed a lot of people”.
@@nont18411 1. No, He isn't, because despite being Heroic & desinterested, He still has A LOT OF DARKNESS inside of him, let's not forget how he was before the Cave 2. Hey, don't get mad at me, I didn't put the rules, I'm just quoting them
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 I mean, Tony’s darkness is identical to Thor’s darkness in Thor 1. Odin stripped Mjolnir from Thor because Thor was hotheaded and very reckless with his power, the same way as Tony before the cave. I’m not mad at you but I’m mad at the message from Marvel. “If you want to be worthy, then there’s no room for redemption…unless you’re Thor, then redemption is fine.”
I agree with everything. I will say tho you should watch Loki. The first season isn’t like super good. But season 2 is much better. Loki starts actually using his real powers and the ending is a banger
My suggestion for the Age of Ultron rewrite is that Ultron shouldn't be so humorously quirky. It's not even the intentional sarcasm that bothers me, it's stuff like "wait what was the word for small people again? Oh yeah children haha"
Not to mention… Chris Hemsworth did nothing but PRAISE Waititi when Ragnorak came out. He was touting him around like a best friend. Everything was well in the workd- Waititi released Jojo Rabit too and was introduced to more commercial as well as critical success. The thing about Waititi though is he is a man of morals. He knows what he believes in and he isnt afraid to say that. Cut to Love and Thunder. Hemsworth was sooo into promoting the movie and talking it up- until the movie came out and the backlash came out. Hemswroth immediately backtracked and began throwing Waititi under the bus blaming him for the “messages” etc. Hemsworth killed his only relationship with a powerful/demanded/critically acclaimed director for the sake of not having a spine and sticking up for the film he made (he couldve just said “you know some people dont like it but i enjoyed myself and i like it regardless”). Hemsworth has killed any future for critical success as well. No serious director is going to hire him after seeing him throw a “good friend” director under the bus. Because of Love and Thunder and how Hemsworth handled it, I predict that he will be relegated to brain-rot netflix movies for the rest of his career.
Braeden you are one of the best new commentators here. Great video after great video. Love to hear your perspective. Please make more content! I can't get enough of what Marvel should've done.
I thought I was the only one who didn't really like Ragnarok...I never liked Taika Waititi as a director or person. And this movie didn't help his case. He RUINED Thor and Hulk AND the World War Hulk storyline, who up to that point could have been redeemed... Now they're beyond help. Also Love and Thunder was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Inexcusable. And I hate Smart Hulk.
While it might’ve been unpleasant for Hemsworth to play this style of character, Thor should’ve been 70-80% straight man to the comedians he’s around. Everyone should have a balance of both but he should be the most, with Steve in close behind at say 60-70%.
Personally Thor Ragnarok was one of my fav MCU movies, I dont like the constantly cracking jokes but I think Ragnarok had a good balance and knew when to take itself seriously. I think the music fit it well also. Obviously its not gonna be the same as the comics, you cant fit whole arcs from the comic into a 2 hour movie. Outside of knowing the comic lore(which 90% of viewers dont know) the movie was probably one of the best Marvel movies. I cant stand the new Marvel forms of media but Ragnarok was a fond memory
"What kind of coke were you drinking" is a joke that I am absolutely stealing. Also, for the love of god I am so beyond down for a Halo show critique in a similar fashion. Few things in this world I despise more than that god awful show. You know its bad when that weird "Haloid" Animation where Chief is a woman who fights alongside and inside Samus from Metroid, is still more lore accurate and fitting than that show.
@@ArcTrooperRod-269It was?...Well you know what? My point still stands gawt dammit. A parody of Halo with a Spartan other than the chief was still more accurate.
@@DetectiveJones Snake Eyes 2021 🤝🏾 Halo 2022 *Insulted me For Being a Fan of Gi Joe & Halo, hiring an Unlikeable prick who hates the the character to play him(Henry Goldwin & Pablo Schreibeir) & Wasting 10 years of Productions into a Garbage Project*
31:28 *Just as stupid as when Paramount Made a Snake Eyes Movie where Snake Eyes(the Bad Ass, Stoic & Mute Ninja with an unbrekable spirit & NEVER takes off his Mask) TALKS, HAS A REMOVABLE MASK THAT HE NEVER WEARS & MAKES QUIPPY ONE LINERS EVERY 2 SECONDS, & The main actor, Henry Goldwin Said they did that because the OG Snake Eyes was "Boring & Generic"*
12:20 Thor the Dark World is the first thing to explicitly stated but the first movie also implied that for and the asgardians are not literal gods. " your ancestors called it magic you call it technology I come from a world where they are one in the same." This line and that whole scene imply that Thor is not a literal God
@@arturocastroverde3349 Drax is central member of the Guardians in the comics and in the movies. He may not be on Thor or Hulk’s level of significance but there’s still stuff to talk about. He is a cool comic character and a video on him would be interesting as a good amount of comic fans I know that have voiced dislike for movie Drax and the comic version is drastically different. Drax’s portrayal has also been a pretty largely discussed topic at least from what I’ve seen even among casual movie goers.
I turned Atheist when the MCU started, so turning the Sagardians into magical aliens with advanced technology helped me develop an interest in them. I am now more open to the idea of gods, so I can see your point, but it still helps when they are called gods on Earth due to their power.
Omg I've always hated that like from Odin "we are not gods". Uhh yeah tf you are? Y'all even say as much in future movies like in Ragnarok when Thor calls himself the god of thunder, and Loki calls himself the god of mischief in infinity war. I'm sure there's more instances of them saying these things but I can't remember them at the moment, anyway it's just stupid to say they aren't gods when they definitely are
I never thought I'd say this, but I strongly hated Natalie Portman in a role. The last Thor movie with her was that point for me. Totally agree with you about Thor turning into what Tyka wanted: to make him a dumb white bro. Lastly, Loki went from twisted and brilliant to cartoonish and single minded. High point of all the Thor movies I've seen was Hela. One of the best villains of the MCU IMHO
You brought up Adam West vs Christian Bale batman. I personally DO prefer Adam West nowadays. (There are so many serious batman portrayals nowadays that I just prefer to laugh with one every now and again.) But that doesn't mean I'd want someone to jump the shark and make Christian Bale into Adam West.
Dude, they wrote Moon Knight's T.I.D. as Schizophrenia (when those 2 things are totally different) & treat him as a Joke *Do you expect more from Disney, really?*
In defense of Endgame Thor, he was doing whatever it takes to escape the pain that he went through in the previous films (entire family dying, entire home destroyed, losing all your best friends, being defeated by Thanos and watching your brother die, then, after given a second chance with Stormbreaker, having your ego get in the way to the point that half the universe died because you wanted to showboat) and with finally killing Thanos, had nothing to distract him from said pain, he turned to drunkenness, sloth, and humor to hide the pain. The whole scene in Asguard was to give him the courage and encouragement to start living his life instead of running from the past. Being able to summon his hammer (not going to even attempt to spell it) was his proof that he is still worthy and gives him the strength to fight again. As for the fight with Thanos, by the end of Infinity War (especially after killing Gamora), he was more into only kill those who needed to be killed and no one else. The final scene with him walking towards vision really showed that he is just knocking out or disabling those in his way but never killing them. When Thor showed up and threw Stormbreaker, many have pointed out that there is a rainbow in front of it and stated that Stormbreaker was actually teleporting Thanos' attack somewhere else. However, in Endgame, the Thanos there was not the philosopher Thanos that we watched in Infinity War but the battle harden/seeker that we got a glimpse of in Gamora's flashback. This was also a Thanos who saw his entire philosophy being shown as flawed when he was able to see his future death. Thus, his goal was not to let fate wipe out half the universe but to destroy everything and restart from scratch. This is why he was much more of a fighter than in Infinity War (since this time, he wanted everyone dead). TL:DR - Endgame Thor was still a good Thor (though they could have pulled back on the jokes some) and Thanos was more of a beast in Endgame as he wanted to kill everyone instead of letting fate kill half.
Braeden, great video!! Again!! It would be really interesting/exciting to hear your version/plot for a new Hulk movie. Personally I argue the Hulk is the most demolished character in the MCU. But with the prospect of having some of the most exciting and also dark stories. Imagine a ”grounded” (horror) and character driven Hulk movie which focus on the hell it must be to live in a Jekyll/Hyde relationship with oneself where CGI is there to support (not drive) the story and show what destruktionen can come from his powers.
Your video made me realize, people are willing to sacrifice a good story for better entertainment in the moment, but starts asking what ifs when time passes by and the jokes becomes routine, classics like lord of the rings didn't make that sacrifice and can be repeated for ever, sounds like bad longevity investments to me.
If you want to give any humor to Thor, it’s better to have him not understanding Earth culture. But to do that you have to make him seem like a mythical legend, not your coworker who thinks he’s funny when he isn’t.
Never read comics and i largely thought of the same things as they happened. Asgard is not asgard, thor is strange, what is worthiness, why is Thor weak, Asgard's spaceships doing battle seemed so absurd att. And all this time i was consoling myself that it is canon to Marvel comics. Apparently not...
I’d love to see your mcu movies/shows tier list or ranking cause you’re probably the best person/right person to rank the movies. Like everyone else has bias & doesn’t see the problems with even early mcu movies…myself included but you can definitely give the definitive rankings.
I agree that the MCU has gone way down hill over the years but I think you expect way too much of this franchise, especially expecting it to be more faithful to the source material. That’s not the goal in most of these movies, they have to balance fan service with maximum marketability, half of these side characters you’ve mentioned aren’t well known at all thus neither marvel Disney nor a large portion of the audience care much about the side characters and likely never would no matter what so they throw them in there for fan service and use them to minimally service the plot for the casual viewers.
Its kinda like going from one story line to another in the comics, certain characters have different motivations and slight alterations to their characters to fit that story better. The way i see it the MCU timeline is just the real world adaptation of an alternate timeline where stuff just happens differently to better fit the big screen, even tho it doesn’t always work. The MCU is still a-lot of fun imo. Not every project is an iron man or an infinity war but there is still some good left.
@@DatBoiGloomy I agree, I still enjoy some of the stuff that comes out, by that I mean most of the movies. But there are some movies where it’s like “really? What the hell were they thinking?” Like The Marvels had such an interesting concept to it, with the powers switching. But they managed to completely drop the ball and made a bland, generic, boring movie with a million plot holes and comedy so bad someone should be put in prison for it. But then I actually really liked Quantumania personally, I thought it was fun. So I don’t know people are a little too harsh on Marvel lately I think
From the moment I saw mcu thor I knew what kind of character we were getting, so I was the only one unsurprised by boomer Thor. As he gained more humor he gained more personality, and I saw it coming from a mile away so instead of being blindsided by the humor I was instead impressed by the serious moments like in infinity wars and parts of Ragnarök and love and thunders emotions. His dynamic with Loki is a constant source of humor for the both of them but it’s also his most meaningful connection, even above his father and Jane, and the humor in scenes like “get help” showcased that he was a goofy frat boy doing goofy things but he made an effort as he always does to do it with Loki. You claim taika ruined thor but he simply completed the transformation into joke machine (the goofy Batman pitch was funny though and they did do hulk dirty no one repeat NO ONE likes smart quipped hulk). Fat thor was a stretch (but still on brand), and thor has never really been all that powerful in the mcu (as opposed to other media) basically everything cool about him comes from his weapons and the fact that he can take a beating, so the infinity war bad ass scene was more out of character full strength then his true character (at least fir the mcu). As for love and thunder, it had its problems and it was rushed out and needed at least another 3 months of polish (in my opinion), but I don’t think it was bad (in that comparing him to comic thor all thor scenes are bad) I like that they actually tried to wrap up the Jane connection and tried to make an emotional end point for thor. That being said thor from Earths mightiest heroes is the best version of thor, his rivalry with hulk providing a consistent interactions between the two and allowing them both greater versatility. His archaic manner of speaking and Lightning powers always made him stand out in a group of muscular heroes and his connection to Asgard was constantly brought up since there were Asgardian villains to pit against the group. Avengers assemble also had an excellent thor (again with a strong rivalry with hulk), including Asgardian plots for episodes, good archaic dialogue, and a more jovial thor who made it clear he wanted to hang out with the avengers and fight evil and vanquish them at video games; it was always more of an escape to that thor, a chance to get away from the boring, mundane, and formal Asgard. As for the hammer, in the myths it is explicitly stated that Loki interfered with the forging of it and it was still the most powerful weapon in Asgard with the minor flaw that the handle was too short, so in that I don’t think their design was that bad Also the planet hulk characters were so different I didn’t even notice them until you pointed it out and now I can’t unknow how they screwed it up
i think the reason why 2014 thanos was a more violent and vengeful thanos than 2018. 2014 thanos saw himself get killed by the avenegers and not only wants revenge but is also more blood lusted compared to the more humble 2018 thanos
The infinity gems are supposed grant the user infinity power over whatever power the gem has, so it doesn’t make any sense how Thor doesn’t easily kill thanos in endgame, when thanos has no gems, and him being more bloodlusted isn’t going to help, Thor literally threw strombreaker through all the gems blasting at it, what the hell is a gauntlets less thanos going to do against that? The answer is nothing, he will just die
Thor is an Shakespearean Warrior God who cares about his friends. Powers like super strength, and can control the weather like lighting, rainstorms and tornadoes. Loki is the god of mischief. He’s villainous. Should of have never turned into an hero. Let’s see more of his illusions. Asgard needs be magical and colorful. Explore more of the four realms. Explore characters like his brother baldur, Surtur and the ragnorok, enchantress, Lady Sif, warriors of 3, etc. As for Jane foster, keep her out. Maybe as side character but as for an big major roles? Nope. Instead focus on beat ray bill and have him be the future replacement for Thor. Of course, Legacy characters like Thor can never be replaced.
It still astounds me to this day that they not only found a way to completely fumble Thor, but then doubled down on that fumble over and over.
All because "teehee ragnarok funny, Let's go hard on that!!!"
There's 3 good Thor movies and he's pretty good in the Avengers movies, especially infinity war. We also got a lot of good depiction of Loki, Odin, Thor's mom, etc.
Y'all are so frickin spoiled. We wouldn't have dreamed of getting such movies just a mere 20 years ago.
@@histguy101 Ok? we can still critiize the slop were getting know it doesn't matter if we got good deceptions back than. Were in the now were Thor is a bumbling idiot whos overly emotionally completely betraying his comic counterpart and Loki at this point is not even Loki just a cheap creul imitation. Not even mentioning the other murders of the other Avengers personalities.
All marvel needs right now is just a character that is immortal i do not think there is a character in the comic that is called immortal i hope there is not maybe i don't do research
@@histguy101it would have been one thing if marvel studios paid you off to defend their mediocre movies, but the fact you’re doing it for free is even more shameful
50:26 You also forgot to mention that she was also a slaver who sold countless people to their deaths just so that she could get a drinking money. If Thor wasn’t worthy to be the Asgardian King because he’s drunk and fat, then Valkyrie is wayyyyy less worthy because she’s drunk and killed innocent people.
And the worst part is that since the characters (more like Taika and the Russos) considered Valkyrie’s track record of slavery to be in the past, they just forgave her and pretended that her crimes never exist. At least Wanda have someone calling her out (albeit too little). Valkyrie has none.
MCU ALWAYS FORGIVES AWFUL CHARACTERS, LET'S NOT FORGET YELENA, _"THE GOOD GUY"_ KILLED HUNDREDS OF INNOCENT WARDENS WHILE MAKING JOKES ABOUT IT 🤢
B-but…she’s a strong female character!!
It’s because the actress that portrays Valkyrie makes up one member of Taika’s threesome.
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wow..i honestly never thought about that but you're completely right. she was in no way worthy to be 'king'
It's ironic how much Thor was hurt by Marvel's debilitating need to be constantly cracking jokes, because great comedy comes from contrasting personalities clashing in ways that feel natural, not every single character being the same kind of snarky douchebag who's seemingly always practicing his stand-up routine. A faithful portrayal of Thor would have made for a wonderful contrast to so many other characters, and therefore much funnier interactions.
They ended up having only 1 type of comedy towards the end of phase 1. Each character loses the unique style of humour they need. Tony and Spiderman can be quippy, maybe Hawkeye (but even then different flavours can be done with snarky, dry, deadpan or other).
Thor, if he needs to be funny, can provide humour from the oddity of a genuine godlike being being in a normal world.
Literally the ''Shakespeare in the park? Dost mother know you weareth her drapes?'' Scene in The Avengers was so funny because it's a 21st century billionaire playboy showman meeting a 1500 year old Norse ''God'' who's super serious. So yes, it's exactly as you say. The contrast would create the humor.
But fanboys only have themselves to blame for this one. People still claim Ragnarok is one of the best MCU films. It's one of the worst. Black Panther, Endgame, Ragnarok.
Blame the audience. The first Thor movies were seen as "boring" while everyone loved funny Thor.
That's what happened in Avengers EMH, and it was great. Thor would clash with Iron Man over magic vs. technology, and their different personalities and backgrounds made the humor work.
Thor is supposed to be campy and hammy, but in the same way that a character in a shakespearean play is.
See my thing with Fat Thor is that could have worked more if it didnt have an air of humor to it. I personally always got the point of it being about grief and depression. But because they made it like "thor is fat, laugh" many people didnt take kindly to it. i always looked at it like damn he's really going through it, trying to cope but everyone can clearly see he is suffering and running away from it and not acknowledging his emotions. His emotional moment with his mom would have been more impactful if Thor was more fantastical. Playing into his Game of Thrones esc world would have made it great rather than it being sci fi but maybe thats just me
Another thing is that Thor was also supposed to be the next Protector of the 9 Realms but I guess he only had to take care of New Asgard and maaaybe Midgard, so what the hell happened to the other 7 realms? He even said in Ragnarok that the 9 realms are in "chaos" and that they're "plotting Asgards demise" and yet we see none of that.
“The other realms I’m in charge of are in chaos!… but let’s party on earth 😎”
The MCU took some of the best comic book characters in history and somehow messed them up.
Tried making all of them comedians.
They Nerf Thor so Captain and Ironman sell more
When Thor IS literally the Captain América incorruption
Cap have Civil War and made a Mess because IS human also Tony arresting heros
Ironically enough, James Gunn, somebody with talent and a vision, took the guardians, a bunch of literally who z listers, and made them some of the standout characters of the franchise.
@@ValiantJack James Gunn could change and take a lot of creative liberties because at the time no one even knew who they were. The directors can’t do the same with Avengers or X men.
@@justasentientmclarenp1879 That’s true, i suppose the success of the guardians created a ripple effect where they tried to make every character into le quirky goofballs, hence Thor Ragnarok
That's not the God of Thunder, that's the Deity of Voltage
Thor The God Of Hammers.
who was able to be zapped by a neck patch 😑
@@personafanatic4597the god of thunder couldn’t even take a little electricity and it was at that moment I knew that Thor 3 was going to be absolute poop
To me the Thor movies should have been Lord of the Rings meets the original Star Wars, high fantasy cosmic epics.
def agree. and actually, in the first Thor movie, it kinda did seem (at least a little bit) like they'd be going in that sort of direction.
Those films would have died with the first movie if they went that route
Thor should be LOTR
Guardians is Star Wars
@@InevitableOption-ic2vx because it was 2011. We were not at a point when a superhero movie could be genre breaking outside of an action movie. We wouldn’t get that until Joker. Thor as a character was somebody nobody cared about before that time especially since he wasn’t doing shit in the comics. If the audience of 2011 general audiences were going to be shown this fantasy epic on the heels of iron man and hulk they’d have been confused especially if what followed it was another action movie in The First avenger and Avengers. Thor would still be the odd one out but it would have looked more comicbooky which would have turned people away
Thor should be Vikings.
Guardians is Star Wars.
You're so right about Asgard being made more science fiction than fantasy. Thor 2 should have excelled at this considering the director of that movie is a director from GoT.
They doubled down on the whole ‘they are aliens not gods’ thing. That’s why it’s got sci fi elements blended into the fantasy aspects
I bet that was a conscious decision by Marvel. Bet the director wanted a fantasy/period style. But Marvel knew Thor would have to fit with the modern world with Stark etc so made Asgard furturistic which made no sense why he was a fish out of water on earth 😅 Maybe also to look different from Game of Thrones which was popular at the time!
The inability to use Thor properly in the realm of words is, in retrospect, an early warning of the writing issues to come.
Since we have Thor problem, now I would love to see your video about “The MCU Wanda Problem”.
Because with Wanda, the MCU managed to open a pandora box of superhero genre that is the “protagonist-centric morality” aka “it’s okay when we do it” trope. Just look at the amount of superheroes in media who committed evil acts but were being portrayed as good things ever since that quote “They will never know what you sacrificed for them”.
wanda fans are so damn annoying, and it would be nice for braeden to discuss that.
I've lost respect for wanda ever since House of M.
They made Wanda such a terrible character
i know someone who loved the second dr strange movie but i can't for the life of me see why. it's complete shit with so many problems that it breaks my brain to think of them all
@@jaski4022 & let's not forget C.U.M. Wanda is one fo the most r*cistly White-Washed Characters in the C.U.M.
The biggest problems with marvel and dc is that when they hire people to adapt their characters, they pretty much always hire people that couldn’t give two shits about the source material, unlike lord of the rings, where you can clearly tell that the people behind that cared about the source material they were pulling from, and had respect for Tolkien and his work
the source material wasn't written with the same care and depth tolkien novels are. comics literally come from low quality pulp fiction.
no one in real life is going to talk like characters do in the comics. even if there is some concept or idea that Thor was supposed to represent, it likely is something that is irrelevant today (such as how iron man represents american exceptionalism in the cold war). the serialised format is also fundamentally different owing to differing lengths and how impactful each plot beat must be.
barring Thor 4, Thor is exactly as he should be in the MCU.
I agree, I like Tom's Loki but it is not comic Loki for sure.
True. Thank you for having a mind we need more pple like you
Loki is a great show. I really like his take on a lot of things, but on that show it’s a bad take. It’s well written, sticks within its established character behavior and has a good story. Instead of complaining he should try watching it for what it is instead of what he wants it to be.
The MCU Thor problem, much like problem with any project based on an existing IP that doesn't live up to its source material, is they keep hiring ignorant, dispassionate people to handle these movies. Not to point fingers, but you all guessed who I'm talking about. It's not even a question if the filmmakers are preexposed to the source material. They don't have to be gigafans, but at least their sensibilities have to fit in with the source material they're adapting. If you vibe with something, you can become a fan overnight. Chris Nolan wasn't collecting comic-books as a kid, but his sensibilities fit like a glove for a gritty take on Batman. Waititi's problem isn't that he's a comedy guy. Waititi's problem is that it's all he is. There are no layers to him. You could've done, in theory, a comedic take on Thor that still feels like Thor and can fill in MCU's quota for "it has to be fun or it shouldn't be made"; a Thor movie in the style of Pirates of the Caribbean or the first Hobbit movie. Instead, we got a Thor movies that are Thor movies in name only and could've been about any other MCU character, since there is nothing distinctly Norse or mythic about them. Thor doesn't act like Thor, characters from Thor's iconography barely appear or resemble what they're supposed to be, there are no grand adventures across mythic realms, there is no sense of verisimilitude, no earned drama, nothing. It's quite sad now that to the general audience the default image of Thor is a bumbling fool who speaks in plain Modern English and treats inanimate objects better than he does The Warriors Three and Sif.
More of a critique of Thor 4 than anything. Thor 3 had none of these problems.
@@ccshumshum8104 no, I was actually thinking mainly about Ragnajoke when pointing out those things, because that movie has all the problems I'm talking and was a stepping stone for a downward spiral that the character fell into. I don't ever consider Dumb and Thunder a movie worthy of sufficient criticism when Ragnajoke was the one to commit all those sins first.
@@antona.8659 none of those criticisms hold up against Ragnarok sadly
@@ccshumshum8104 sure they do.
@@antona.8659 nope
I just wanted to say your video essays have been killing my boredom at my job. You changed my life for a while
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It took years but I finally found someone else who saw all the problems with Ragnarok. I can never enjoy that movie, and that was the beginning of the end of my MCU interest.
I was silent about it because of the praise in that movie, I hated it.
But it still the best thor movie tho atleast they presented thor good unlike love and thunder & thor 2
I was 11 years old when I saw Ragnarok, I see it as nothing more than terrible reinvention/deconstruction of the character of Thor.
the wannabe science fantasy nature of the first 2 movies makes them repulsive. there is 0 depth in Thor or Asgard, ver little is is lost in this reinvention. 3 is much better.
As much as I agree with everything else , I feel you were very unfair with the scene of Thor and his Mother reuniting .It was not merely him being a crybaby and getting his spirits lifted .It was kind of a poignant bit of Thor having fallen to Depression after such profound loss after loss and being reminded by said someone he lost long ago that his suffering does not make him lesser and that within him still remains the Strength and worthiness to fight .All the things around it were awfully made but it was still a nice bit .
I like the scene too but it's as if you found a piece of chocolate covered in poop, you can still eat it but ultimately the poop is being eaten too and the chocolate isn't as good as it could've been.
God Of War Ragnarok shows how to do a “fat” Thor correctly I feel. They take his struggles seriously and not at the expense of humor
Here’s a reminder for you all, the mcu got Anthony fucking Hopkins as Odin and did absolutely nothing with him and gave him nothing to work with, they got the greatest living actor for Odin as did nothing with it, they pretty much did nothing with everything else as well, they never explore any of the Norse myths, that could have been really cool, they never explore the 9 realms, we olny get to see a little bit of jutunheim, vanaheim and muspelheim, we never see any of the other Norse gods except for Odin, Thor, loki, heimdall, frigg, sif and hela, we never see Freyr, freya, baldur, magni, modi, jormungandr, tyr, bragi, forseti, njord and mimir, I could name many more but you get my point. And all the gods that we do see are all a huge disappointment from what they could have been, all we see from the valkyries is just pure poop, it’s all just so disappointing, and all in all Thor in the mcu is absolute ass and his world and cast is as much if not bigger disappointment than himself
23:20 If Shane Black directed *Superman & Lois* he would make Lex Luthor just an actor called Alan Harper & the REAL villain of the show is FELICITY SMOAK
You mean Jon Cryer?
hahahah felicity smoak as the villain 😆
And what if Zack Snyder directed Superman & Lois?
Hela, Goddess of Death
Her powers? Making pointy sticks
While mcu tries to call themselves earth-616, spiderverse and others call them earth-19999.
The fact that I had to experience the sheer brilliance of the story in Planet Hulk through a disappointed criticism of movies that blew any hopes of the story coming to the screens honestly makes me so sad.
Seemed like it could’ve been a guaranteed S tier movie
I can’t thank you enough for ripping into Thor Ragnarok. I want justice for my boy Thor and your right, as much as I love him the mcu didn’t push his character far enough.
I’m only now realizing Thor 4 should’ve been Thor settling the power vacuum left by the destruction of asguard and the snap. You could even include the guardians seeing as they’d be after the same goal. It could also easily tie into a Thor 5 (which if they HAD TO they could’ve used gorr)
Thor’s character assassination isn’t talked about enough. Thanks for calling this clownery out.
The fall of the MCU has been more spectacular than its rise and dominance over a decade.
How did they F it up so badly so quickly.
HBO are not the ones to blame for the failure of Game of Thrones’ final two seasons. That blame goes to D&D for not accepting their offer to make more seasons after Season 6 was complete and just deciding to rush the rest of the show just to fill their own egotistical resumes as the creators of that show.
I still think Ragnarok is awful. There is one scene that is memorable and the rest is terrible. It needed to slow down and take itself seriously. Its the marvel equivalent of a prank video made for ten year old.
The most ridiculous thing was how many times Thor is electrocuted. First by Darcy’s taser. I understand that he had lost this powers then, but in reality, a man the size of Hemsworth can shake off even a cop’s taser. Certainly not be knocked unconscious for hours while he is strapped down in a hospital bed, wearing a hospital gown. He didn’t wake up through all that from one zapped from a consumer grade taser to the god of thunder?
Then Valkyrie shocked him a zillion times and knocked his ass out. Not really a god of thunder? Before the fan boys repeat Taika’s retcon excuse that it was a neurotoxin, not electricity, that’s a lie. That was only after it was pointed out how stupid and wrong it is for a man who channels lightning bolts, which are more powerful than an atomic bomb, can be electrocuted by a tiny disk on his neck, like a dog’s shock collar.
It was not intended to be a neurotoxin. If so, then Taika didn’t do his homework because everyone thought it was electricity until he gave his bad excuse and fan boys lapped it up. He should have known that no neurotoxin makes static and crackling noises. Neurotoxin don’t make human nervous system sudden shake the same way a body would with electricity. Take a large dose of oxycodone and you will just go to sleep. Take the same dose of fentanyl and you will go to sleep and never wake up.
That’s how most nerve agents work. I know of none that make someone shake like that and neither does anyone else because everyone thought it was electricity after seeing the movie. When you use electric noises and have the actor shake like being electrocuted, that’s what the audience will think and will laugh that the demigod of thunder and lightning can be electrocuted.
Taika should just admit he made a mistake and wasn’t thinking or reading the comics at all, that’s because Taika has no respect for the character or comic and made the movie he wanted. Even a seizure is not as violent as electrocution. Seizures have larger muscle jolting, where an electrocution makes every small muscle jerk very quickly, like the way Hemsworth did in Ragnarok.
The MCU hates Thor. I don’t know why they even decided to use him as an Avenger if he was going to only be the butt end of everyone’s jokes? I only got a bit excited during Infinity War during the second half of the movie. Thor’s scene with a CGI raccoon happened to be one of the best scenes they ever gave Hemsworth to give Thor some depth.
His reveal on the Wakanda battlefield was the pinnacle of Thor in the MCU. It made me excited for Endgame, actually wanting to believe that they would take Thor into a dark place, but not the fat surrender ass we got, it someone on a path more like Ronan. Why’s is it that Hawkeye gets a better depression actions more interesting than Thor. Imagine Thor going that dark and the damage he could do, but only if they gave him the real Thor power like in the comics?
Thor would not give up and get fat. Thor should have wanted retribution, so when he got a chance to finally face a Thanos, he should have been a much greater foe for Thanos than Captain America. Fat Thor was funny for about a minute. Thor’s powers are magical, he shouldn’t have to work out to get strong. Does Superman have to do reps at the local gym to stay buff?
It would make more sense for Hawkeye to get fat. He’s just a human and lost his entire family. Thor isn’t human, he shouldn’t get fat. When I saw that first scene, I thought that once they told him they could get another shot at Thanos, he’d call down lightning and Boom! He’d be chiseled Hemsworth once again.
Nope, we were stuck with fat Thor for the entire movie. That sucked for Thor fans. Yours right, he was just a menace on the battlefield. When Captain America has to save your ass, you’re not much of a superhero. Thor should have been able to at least hurt Thanos, even with his bare hands.
They destroyed Thor in Endgame. Tony said it right calling him the big Labowski, because that’s what Thor became. He’d have been more at home in movie The Big Lebowski. I was so disappointed when I came out of the theater after Endgame and hearing everyone else excited about how good it was. Endgame sucked.
I thought for sure they would let Thor do the snap? Why not? He was the one who felt responsible for allowing Thanos to snap everyone away. His redemption arc would be snapping everyone back, even if he died doing it. I would have rather had Thor go out a boss, like Tony did, rather than continue on with this pitiful Thor character the MCU has created.
They couldn’t even give us that, instead, Banner gets the snap? It may make sense because he’s the strongest, but there is no through-line between Hulk and Thanos. That’s bad storytelling, like Arya killing the a Night King, it made no sense. She had no run-in with the villain until five minutes before she easily killed him. Everyone knows it was supposed to be Jon Snow. What? The Hulk lost one fight with Thanos?
Thanos killed Thor’s brother and best friend and Thor had a chance to kill Thanos, but instead decided it torture him for the pain he has caused Thor. Like Thor told Rocket, “what else can I lose”. He was in the depths of despair then and that was before the snap. They didn’t pay off Thor’s best scene in the saga. Big deal, he got to kill weak Thanos, with help from Captain Marvel, of course, in a seen so short that if you stopped to get popcorn you would have missed it.
Thor deserved more for everything he had been through. They could have paid off all those crappy Thor movies that came before by letting him do the snap or at least really injure Thanos in the battle, rather than just having his ass handed to him time after time. I’m done with the MCU.
They also destroyed Captain America when they turned him into a coward version of Joe Biden. “Screw this world, I’m dancing with Peggy and will use my super soldier endurance to win dance marathons”. Twinkle Toes Ragers was his new name and he and Peggy danced in the police state that Red Skull had created after Hydra took over with their airships that could target any enemies from hundreds of miles.
Great job Marvel. At least you didn’t ruin Ironman. Tony got a boss ending, but poor T’Challa got to die offscreen from a virus? That makes no sense, any virus that can take down anyone who drank the purple juice would wipe out their entire nation. He had advanced healing, how can he die for the flu? It wasn’t even some weaponized virus made by an evil madman. That would be too much story for them to deal with, they need to get it over quick and milk whatever tears they could for poor Chadwick. They couldn’t even celebrate the character’s death by making it a sacrifice. What a slap int ej face of Boseman, he deserves better.at least give him a memorable death and go out a hero.
Since his uniform covers his entire body, he could have easily been taken out while saving the world, or at least saving Wakanda. The MCU loves giving the characters embarrassing deaths and endings. They have lost it and now it’s going to only be female heroes from now on. If Captain Marvel, with Brie Larson, is the best the MCU can do for a good female superhero, I’m out!
Thor should of snapped everyone back, hell let him snap Asgard back and have him lose his arm to have segue into Thor 4 where Jane takes up the hammer like the lady Thor comics. I was okay with the idea of Thor falling into depression after everything that happened but making it a big joke (+ with him being fat) just came across as shitty all around.
Yup, just as Stupid as when in Iron Man 3 IRON MAN IS USING A CAR BATTERY TO CHARGE A NUCLEAR REACTOR, that's basically like trying to fill an desertic ocean with 1 single Waterglass
I totally agree with everything you said!
I call upon all of us Marvel Fans! Let us unite together and write our own Marvel Cinematic Universe with great and consistent characters!
Let us show them what it is that makes those characters great!
The MCU also DESTROYED Korg..& totally EMASCULATED Thor..& ESPECIALLY my FAVORITE Marvel Comics character The Hulk! 😖😖
They should have just used EMH Thor.
MAN, RICK WASSERMAN NAILED THE ROLW SO WELL
Imo Ragnarok absolutely killed Thor and thats the REAL Downfall
Although the first 2 movies were a bit bland at least Thors character himself was written decently to pretty good. Ragnarok is just... Man i hate him in it
Hes just so goofy and theres so serious serious moments in that movie that are seriously undercut with jokes. I blame taika for killing thor
Honestly, they got rid of Asgard too quickly. Ragnarok should have been a much later movie. MCU should’ve stuck with the comics stuff. They should have had Hela be Loki’s daughter like she is in both Comics and Mythology. Let Hela rule the land of the dead, where she’s at her most powerful at. They should’ve replaced Hela with Angela. Like Angela is Odin’s first born; so why not have the movie about her and the realm she grew up in. Which brings me to the topic of how the MCU forgot to add many other asgardian characters such as Amora the Enchantress and Balder.
Thor used to be self conscious and died his deye brows.. it’s like a personal journey in the background.. apparently he did for over 1000 years only to finally stop before Thor 2 : the dark squirreled.
Funnily enough, they DID introduce the Enchantress in the MCU as a sorta Love interest, not for Thor but instead for Loki.
When? Loki never appeared on Agents Of SHIELD
@@ArcTrooperRod-269I was talking about Sylvie in the Loki show, who Technically is an adaptation of the Echantress.
@@O.D25 No she isn't, she has nothing to do with, Is like saying that Cassie Lang is an adaptation of Moon Girl
Also, the Asgardians are a lot taller than humans. Simple camera tricks like in LOTR would be enough to show the difference in height
Thor comic was the Captain America of MCU, incorruptible with speeches and unique quotes
Yet he is a pet for comedy just like Hulk
They can't adapt one story without being nerf Thor and FUNNY JOKES
Literally Butcher of Gods and Ragnarok are really good, dark with fantasy and a message
Now is just trash from Corpo disney
Love & Thunder should’ve been Infinity War & Ragnorak Thor, a few jokes tossed around every now & then but an overall more mysterious, darker, violent & powerful. Gorr In L & T was legit kinda scary sometimes. Imagine that against a serious & traumatized Thor
The version of Hulk in the Edward Norton movie actually looked like he could beat Thanos. They should've kept that version.
You're generally spot on but dishonest regarding Superman. Superman is far from always good and never changes, that is the crux of Superman II - also you suggest that Superman never faces temptation but that also is the core message of Superman vs The Elite, he literally makes a speech about it, and mentions it as frustrating when he goes all out on Darkseid in the finale episode of JLU. For someone so detailed I am honest baffled by your simplistic and immature assertions about Superman.
I adore these videos and hearing that we're getting a talk about the Halo TV series is great. I honestly can't wait to see it from you.
Thank you for making this video! I go off about this a lot and this video makes me feel like I’m not losing my mind.
I wish they would've got Malaketh more true to his comic version! I would LOVE to see a Live Action Movie based on the several issue Thor storyline that's called "WAR of the REALMS"! If you haven't read ut yet, I highly suggest that everyone should check it out! Bc it also involves a LOT of Marvel Superheroes on Thor's side & a lot of Villians on the other side! The Battles Break out throughout ALL of the 9 REALMS with a lot of Casualties on both sides by the time the WAR is over. If Disney/MCU would get the RIGHT Director that would stay TRUE to the Source Story, then Disney/MCU should let the people make the movie that EVERY FAN will LOVE!
I really did like the 2nd Loki series which was in a multiverse - a different Loki, and they state right off it is a multiverse and a different "variant" Loki. So I can divide it, and in fact, it reminded me more of Dr Who, which is gone now, so I guess I have to take my Dr Who where I can find it. If you watch the 1st Loki series, one of the Lokis says he DOES get away from Thanos by using illusion. He teaches the protagonist Loki how to more fully explore his power and how many more illusion powers he has. In other words, the Loki that comes to that series does not have a full understanding of his power yet and is taught them - time control, mind enchantment, etc, by the many versions of himself he runs into. The Loki he runs into says, We are far more powerful than we realize. A fun concept.
I think the female Loki is meant to be a concept of the Enchantress - not a very good casting choice - while a good fighter and excellent enchanter, she is a complete failure as a person and is the one responsible for destroying everything through her insatiable and selfish desire for revenge. So she is broken and Loki has to fix the mess she makes. Now, according to ancient Norse myths, Loki was NOT the god of evil. He was a trickster, and he did some nasty things, but he was a helpful god who understood things didn't need to be done forthrightly all the time. People would pray for help in financial deals and such. The other gods would turn to him for help when they needed some streetwise help. He got the other gods out of many problems, which is why he was considered Odin's friend. He only became "evil" in the Christian era when he gathered the identity of the devil.
34:14 That's Actually Pretty Accurate & One of the Biggest Examples was the animated Show FANTASTIC 4 WORLD'S GREATEST HEROES where:
-Originally Moonscoop wanted to gave Sue Pink Anime Hair
-They wanted to make Doom 100% Tech based & with No Magic Powers(he would even had Iron Man Blank-Light Eyes)
But Marvel Pushed Back those ideas in favor to respect the Escence of the Characters, & Thx to that WE GOT THE BEST DEPICTION OF THE F4 ON ANIMATION
What do you think of the 90s Fantastic Four series mostly season 2 ?
37:21 I think having Shao Kahn say it to Shang Tsung would’ve made the punch line more funny.
Technically the purpose of Thor’s helmet was used for a ceremony it was not designed for battle. Also, Chris Hemsworth hated the helmet that’s why he didn’t use it in the first Thor movie. Also, what are your thoughts on Ultimate Avengers 2 ? The Ultimates Volume 2 wasn’t even finished yet and they had to come up with an original story for the sequel of the first movie.
That isn’t in the movie tho, they never state that’s it’s only for ceremonies, and am I supposed to believe a multi billion dollar company couldn’t make a more wearable helmet, and I don’t care that hemsworth didn’t like the helmet, he’s getting paid millions, he has no right to complain about the hamlet being uncomfortable, when hiddelston wore the horned helmet
@@Game-time-started what did you think of the helmet in Thor Ragnarok ?
@@comicbookking3446 it was meh
There is also something else I would like to add and that is that, modern actors are a bunch of pussies, they are so comfortable and refuse to go thru any hardship, if you look at behind the scenes stuff on lord of the rings, there are stories of actors breaking bones and still pushing through, there is blood and sweat that went into that trilogy, hemsworth being a lazy fuck when it comes to wearing the helmet is a perfect representation of modern actors, they refuse to go thru anything at all, they are way to comfortable and can’t go anywhere without their assistants, it’s no wonder why so many modern movies suck absolute balls, the people that make them refuse to go thru any hardship or struggle
@@Game-time-started at least it’s better than the one Thor Love and Thunder that’s for sure.
30:31 Spiderverse called the MCU earth 99999 I think?
And since Mysterio is lying and Christine was just making up the classifications, but Miguel actively travels the multiverse, I'ma go with the Spiderverse version. That the MCU is earth 99999
Exaclty, THE MAIN POINT OF NUMBERING THE EARTHS is precisely to avoid confusion
Too be fair Loki in the comics has had anti hero or hero versions like god I’d story loki , kid loki and modern comics loki are anti hero/ heros in marvel comics
Finally watched Love & Thunder last night. It felt like I went back to listening to an AM radio station after a lifetime of listening to FM.
Thor should have snapped instead of Hulk and lost his arm. Thor felt like a failure because he did not stop the Snap when he could have. Hulk should have fought Thanos and become professor hulk. Hulk lost his friends and couldn't protect them because he wouldn't let Banner help him. Thor, now depowered legitimately, could join the fight against Thanos, but can't keep up, queue Banner watching Thanos almost kill Thor which brings out the Hulk finally. However Hulk still struggles against Thanos, and you have a nice quick scene where Banner is yelling at Hulk internally on how to beat Thanos. Hulk makes a deal with Banner, the deal is Hulk wants to WIN this fight, BAM Professor Hulk. Thor then could "retire" as an Avenger and take over as King of Asgard, and Hulk gets the much deserved rematch AND end his arc nicely as well. Lay down some hints that Thor and Hulk could return later down the line.
I am one man and I did the work of an entire writing department.
Bruce and the Hulk are COMPLETELY different people. except when it comes to Natasha. And her death had almost zero impact on them.
Here is something to think about, we never get to see or even have a line about how all the other 7 realms reacted to Asgard being destroyed
I admire your goal. In a way, I share it. However, my method is different.
I work instead on rewriting the MCU. I call my project ACU.
Based
Fat Thor isn’t even mythologically accurate. The idea a God who eats and drinks like a dumpster, must also be as fat as the mere mortals who also eat and drink like dumpsters completely misses the point of mythology and divine idealization. The concept also completely ignores all primary sources we have on Thor specifically, who’s described as powerfully built, and zero mention of being fat. So Fat Thor pisses me off twofold. For missing the point of the comics, and for bastardizing the mythology said comics are based on.
45:13 Peter Parker and Matt Murdock should have been able to lift the hammer, considering that both of them have to sacrifice the most to be the heroes.
That's NOT how it Works, Mjolnir requires Not only to have a Good Moral Heart & Unbreakable Spirit, it also requires a Warrior Spirit & The courage to take lives when is necesary, that's why DD & Spidey Can't, while for Example Snake Eyes & Superman Could when they got the chance, Because not only they are pure goodness, they also don't hesitate to take dangerous lives when is necesary
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 According to this, then Tony Stark is also worthy, isn’t it? Because he’s not afraid to kill his enemies when necessary but we all know that he’s not worthy because “he killed a lot of people”.
@@nont18411
1. No, He isn't, because despite being Heroic & desinterested, He still has A LOT OF DARKNESS inside of him, let's not forget how he was before the Cave
2. Hey, don't get mad at me, I didn't put the rules, I'm just quoting them
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 I mean, Tony’s darkness is identical to Thor’s darkness in Thor 1. Odin stripped Mjolnir from Thor because Thor was hotheaded and very reckless with his power, the same way as Tony before the cave. I’m not mad at you but I’m mad at the message from Marvel.
“If you want to be worthy, then there’s no room for redemption…unless you’re Thor, then redemption is fine.”
@@nont18411 I'm speaking about comics, THE "WORTHYNESS RULES" IN THE MCU ARE B*LLSHIT & EXTREMELY INCONSISTENT
MCU done fucked up when they failed to make the motif running through the first film Thor’s official theme to rival Superman’s. Unforgivable
I agree with everything. I will say tho you should watch Loki. The first season isn’t like super good. But season 2 is much better. Loki starts actually using his real powers and the ending is a banger
Totally agree with this, Loki Season 2 shocked me by not only being way better than season 1, but also by how genuinely brilliant it was
My suggestion for the Age of Ultron rewrite is that Ultron shouldn't be so humorously quirky. It's not even the intentional sarcasm that bothers me, it's stuff like "wait what was the word for small people again? Oh yeah children haha"
Not to mention… Chris Hemsworth did nothing but PRAISE Waititi when Ragnorak came out. He was touting him around like a best friend. Everything was well in the workd- Waititi released Jojo Rabit too and was introduced to more commercial as well as critical success.
The thing about Waititi though is he is a man of morals. He knows what he believes in and he isnt afraid to say that.
Cut to Love and Thunder. Hemsworth was sooo into promoting the movie and talking it up- until the movie came out and the backlash came out. Hemswroth immediately backtracked and began throwing Waititi under the bus blaming him for the “messages” etc.
Hemsworth killed his only relationship with a powerful/demanded/critically acclaimed director for the sake of not having a spine and sticking up for the film he made (he couldve just said “you know some people dont like it but i enjoyed myself and i like it regardless”). Hemsworth has killed any future for critical success as well. No serious director is going to hire him after seeing him throw a “good friend” director under the bus.
Because of Love and Thunder and how Hemsworth handled it, I predict that he will be relegated to brain-rot netflix movies for the rest of his career.
That's actually a fair point
Braeden you are one of the best new commentators here. Great video after great video. Love to hear your perspective. Please make more content! I can't get enough of what Marvel should've done.
I thought I was the only one who didn't really like Ragnarok...I never liked Taika Waititi as a director or person. And this movie didn't help his case. He RUINED Thor and Hulk AND the World War Hulk storyline, who up to that point could have been redeemed... Now they're beyond help.
Also Love and Thunder was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Inexcusable.
And I hate Smart Hulk.
While it might’ve been unpleasant for Hemsworth to play this style of character, Thor should’ve been 70-80% straight man to the comedians he’s around.
Everyone should have a balance of both but he should be the most, with Steve in close behind at say 60-70%.
Personally Thor Ragnarok was one of my fav MCU movies, I dont like the constantly cracking jokes but I think Ragnarok had a good balance and knew when to take itself seriously. I think the music fit it well also.
Obviously its not gonna be the same as the comics, you cant fit whole arcs from the comic into a 2 hour movie. Outside of knowing the comic lore(which 90% of viewers dont know) the movie was probably one of the best Marvel movies. I cant stand the new Marvel forms of media but Ragnarok was a fond memory
Imagine if The Dark Knight rises was like Lego Batman in tone. Thats what Ragnarok was.
I wish you had more likes man, it was a good video critique 🙌
"What kind of coke were you drinking" is a joke that I am absolutely stealing. Also, for the love of god I am so beyond down for a Halo show critique in a similar fashion. Few things in this world I despise more than that god awful show. You know its bad when that weird "Haloid" Animation where Chief is a woman who fights alongside and inside Samus from Metroid, is still more lore accurate and fitting than that show.
That Wasn't Chief, That was Spartan Nicole-458
@@ArcTrooperRod-269It was?...Well you know what? My point still stands gawt dammit. A parody of Halo with a Spartan other than the chief was still more accurate.
@@DetectiveJones Snake Eyes 2021 🤝🏾 Halo 2022
*Insulted me For Being a Fan of Gi Joe & Halo, hiring an Unlikeable prick who hates the the character to play him(Henry Goldwin & Pablo Schreibeir) & Wasting 10 years of Productions into a Garbage Project*
The MCU never cared about the Source material. That sin was always going to result in franchise failure.
31:28 *Just as stupid as when Paramount Made a Snake Eyes Movie where Snake Eyes(the Bad Ass, Stoic & Mute Ninja with an unbrekable spirit & NEVER takes off his Mask) TALKS, HAS A REMOVABLE MASK THAT HE NEVER WEARS & MAKES QUIPPY ONE LINERS EVERY 2 SECONDS, & The main actor, Henry Goldwin Said they did that because the OG Snake Eyes was "Boring & Generic"*
Braeden forgot one major detail when Hollywood is adapting Thor...they don't have any values or morals. 😏
12:20 Thor the Dark World is the first thing to explicitly stated but the first movie also implied that for and the asgardians are not literal gods.
" your ancestors called it magic you call it technology I come from a world where they are one in the same."
This line and that whole scene imply that Thor is not a literal God
The way I’d totally watch a Thor Ragnarok style version of The Dark Knight unironically
A Drax one would be interesting.
He is not that important of a character as Thor or Hulk to have a full video on him, a Star Lord video would be nice
@@arturocastroverde3349 Drax is central member of the Guardians in the comics and in the movies. He may not be on Thor or Hulk’s level of significance but there’s still stuff to talk about. He is a cool comic character and a video on him would be interesting as a good amount of comic fans I know that have voiced dislike for movie Drax and the comic version is drastically different. Drax’s portrayal has also been a pretty largely discussed topic at least from what I’ve seen even among casual movie goers.
@@Ghostface833 true but not as discussed as the russo´s polemic handle of peter quill in IW and EG or Rocket´s character arc
I turned Atheist when the MCU started, so turning the Sagardians into magical aliens with advanced technology helped me develop an interest in them.
I am now more open to the idea of gods, so I can see your point, but it still helps when they are called gods on Earth due to their power.
Be cool if u make a series on the zack snyder dc movies😂
Which leads to the bigger problem: The modern media obsession with Evil Superman
@@InevitableOption-ic2vx& Superman & Lois is the Prime example of that,
Old Disney = Simba's dad gets murdered.
New Disney = lol she's got cancer
Omg I've always hated that like from Odin "we are not gods". Uhh yeah tf you are? Y'all even say as much in future movies like in Ragnarok when Thor calls himself the god of thunder, and Loki calls himself the god of mischief in infinity war. I'm sure there's more instances of them saying these things but I can't remember them at the moment, anyway it's just stupid to say they aren't gods when they definitely are
Love your videos!🤟🏾🔥
Lore of The MCU Thor Problem - Full Series momentum 100
I never thought I'd say this, but I strongly hated Natalie Portman in a role. The last Thor movie with her was that point for me.
Totally agree with you about Thor turning into what Tyka wanted: to make him a dumb white bro.
Lastly, Loki went from twisted and brilliant to cartoonish and single minded.
High point of all the Thor movies I've seen was Hela. One of the best villains of the MCU IMHO
You brought up Adam West vs Christian Bale batman. I personally DO prefer Adam West nowadays. (There are so many serious batman portrayals nowadays that I just prefer to laugh with one every now and again.) But that doesn't mean I'd want someone to jump the shark and make Christian Bale into Adam West.
Fat Thor upsets me because this depressed man is treated like a joke. He's depressed! Its just...ugh...
Dude, they wrote Moon Knight's T.I.D. as Schizophrenia (when those 2 things are totally different) & treat him as a Joke
*Do you expect more from Disney, really?*
My guy had ptsd, great moment for characterization but they wanted the funny
Aye I'm a new sub, we need more videos!
In defense of Endgame Thor, he was doing whatever it takes to escape the pain that he went through in the previous films (entire family dying, entire home destroyed, losing all your best friends, being defeated by Thanos and watching your brother die, then, after given a second chance with Stormbreaker, having your ego get in the way to the point that half the universe died because you wanted to showboat) and with finally killing Thanos, had nothing to distract him from said pain, he turned to drunkenness, sloth, and humor to hide the pain. The whole scene in Asguard was to give him the courage and encouragement to start living his life instead of running from the past. Being able to summon his hammer (not going to even attempt to spell it) was his proof that he is still worthy and gives him the strength to fight again.
As for the fight with Thanos, by the end of Infinity War (especially after killing Gamora), he was more into only kill those who needed to be killed and no one else. The final scene with him walking towards vision really showed that he is just knocking out or disabling those in his way but never killing them. When Thor showed up and threw Stormbreaker, many have pointed out that there is a rainbow in front of it and stated that Stormbreaker was actually teleporting Thanos' attack somewhere else. However, in Endgame, the Thanos there was not the philosopher Thanos that we watched in Infinity War but the battle harden/seeker that we got a glimpse of in Gamora's flashback. This was also a Thanos who saw his entire philosophy being shown as flawed when he was able to see his future death. Thus, his goal was not to let fate wipe out half the universe but to destroy everything and restart from scratch. This is why he was much more of a fighter than in Infinity War (since this time, he wanted everyone dead).
TL:DR - Endgame Thor was still a good Thor (though they could have pulled back on the jokes some) and Thanos was more of a beast in Endgame as he wanted to kill everyone instead of letting fate kill half.
Well then, that still doesn't make him worthy of picking up the hammer again😮
Braeden, great video!! Again!! It would be really interesting/exciting to hear your version/plot for a new Hulk movie. Personally I argue the Hulk is the most demolished character in the MCU. But with the prospect of having some of the most exciting and also dark stories. Imagine a ”grounded” (horror) and character driven Hulk movie which focus on the hell it must be to live in a Jekyll/Hyde relationship with oneself where CGI is there to support (not drive) the story and show what destruktionen can come from his powers.
Your video made me realize, people are willing to sacrifice a good story for better entertainment in the moment, but starts asking what ifs when time passes by and the jokes becomes routine, classics like lord of the rings didn't make that sacrifice and can be repeated for ever, sounds like bad longevity investments to me.
I must say that I wouldn't mind an animated movie of your Dark Knight Parody
If you want to give any humor to Thor, it’s better to have him not understanding Earth culture. But to do that you have to make him seem like a mythical legend, not your coworker who thinks he’s funny when he isn’t.
Your argument is Very logical
Is that a Shockwave Reference?
25:30 tbh the idea of a cute old grandma and grandpa leading an army and messing up some hardened ruthless villains is kinda funny 😅😂
Never read comics and i largely thought of the same things as they happened. Asgard is not asgard, thor is strange, what is worthiness, why is Thor weak, Asgard's spaceships doing battle seemed so absurd att.
And all this time i was consoling myself that it is canon to Marvel comics.
Apparently not...
Disney has managed to take superhero movies and make them dumb again. Like Warner did with the 80s Swamp Thing movies.
Infinity War Thor is the best live action Itteration.
I’d love to see your mcu movies/shows tier list or ranking cause you’re probably the best person/right person to rank the movies. Like everyone else has bias & doesn’t see the problems with even early mcu movies…myself included but you can definitely give the definitive rankings.
Is not worth it, 70% of this movies are the same 😪
Wow, I never looked at it like that but, you're right 👍🏼
I agree that the MCU has gone way down hill over the years but I think you expect way too much of this franchise, especially expecting it to be more faithful to the source material. That’s not the goal in most of these movies, they have to balance fan service with maximum marketability, half of these side characters you’ve mentioned aren’t well known at all thus neither marvel Disney nor a large portion of the audience care much about the side characters and likely never would no matter what so they throw them in there for fan service and use them to minimally service the plot for the casual viewers.
Its kinda like going from one story line to another in the comics, certain characters have different motivations and slight alterations to their characters to fit that story better. The way i see it the MCU timeline is just the real world adaptation of an alternate timeline where stuff just happens differently to better fit the big screen, even tho it doesn’t always work. The MCU is still a-lot of fun imo. Not every project is an iron man or an infinity war but there is still some good left.
@@DatBoiGloomy I agree, I still enjoy some of the stuff that comes out, by that I mean most of the movies. But there are some movies where it’s like “really? What the hell were they thinking?” Like The Marvels had such an interesting concept to it, with the powers switching. But they managed to completely drop the ball and made a bland, generic, boring movie with a million plot holes and comedy so bad someone should be put in prison for it. But then I actually really liked Quantumania personally, I thought it was fun. So I don’t know people are a little too harsh on Marvel lately I think
From the moment I saw mcu thor I knew what kind of character we were getting, so I was the only one unsurprised by boomer Thor. As he gained more humor he gained more personality, and I saw it coming from a mile away so instead of being blindsided by the humor I was instead impressed by the serious moments like in infinity wars and parts of Ragnarök and love and thunders emotions. His dynamic with Loki is a constant source of humor for the both of them but it’s also his most meaningful connection, even above his father and Jane, and the humor in scenes like “get help” showcased that he was a goofy frat boy doing goofy things but he made an effort as he always does to do it with Loki. You claim taika ruined thor but he simply completed the transformation into joke machine (the goofy Batman pitch was funny though and they did do hulk dirty no one repeat NO ONE likes smart quipped hulk). Fat thor was a stretch (but still on brand), and thor has never really been all that powerful in the mcu (as opposed to other media) basically everything cool about him comes from his weapons and the fact that he can take a beating, so the infinity war bad ass scene was more out of character full strength then his true character (at least fir the mcu). As for love and thunder, it had its problems and it was rushed out and needed at least another 3 months of polish (in my opinion), but I don’t think it was bad (in that comparing him to comic thor all thor scenes are bad) I like that they actually tried to wrap up the Jane connection and tried to make an emotional end point for thor.
That being said thor from Earths mightiest heroes is the best version of thor, his rivalry with hulk providing a consistent interactions between the two and allowing them both greater versatility. His archaic manner of speaking and Lightning powers always made him stand out in a group of muscular heroes and his connection to Asgard was constantly brought up since there were Asgardian villains to pit against the group. Avengers assemble also had an excellent thor (again with a strong rivalry with hulk), including Asgardian plots for episodes, good archaic dialogue, and a more jovial thor who made it clear he wanted to hang out with the avengers and fight evil and vanquish them at video games; it was always more of an escape to that thor, a chance to get away from the boring, mundane, and formal Asgard.
As for the hammer, in the myths it is explicitly stated that Loki interfered with the forging of it and it was still the most powerful weapon in Asgard with the minor flaw that the handle was too short, so in that I don’t think their design was that bad
Also the planet hulk characters were so different I didn’t even notice them until you pointed it out and now I can’t unknow how they screwed it up
i think the reason why 2014 thanos was a more violent and vengeful thanos than 2018. 2014 thanos saw himself get killed by the avenegers and not only wants revenge but is also more blood lusted compared to the more humble 2018 thanos
The infinity gems are supposed grant the user infinity power over whatever power the gem has, so it doesn’t make any sense how Thor doesn’t easily kill thanos in endgame, when thanos has no gems, and him being more bloodlusted isn’t going to help, Thor literally threw strombreaker through all the gems blasting at it, what the hell is a gauntlets less thanos going to do against that? The answer is nothing, he will just die
There has never been a good Thor movie. Give me one on the level of LOTR.
THOR VS HULK: 😂
THOR "TALES OF ASGARD": Sure, Buddy
@@ArcTrooperRod-269isn't that a tv special
@@shardsoftime0952 they are DVD Animated Movies
@@ArcTrooperRod-269he means MCU
@@arturocastroverde3349 oh, I see
Thor is an Shakespearean Warrior God who cares about his friends. Powers like super strength, and can control the weather like lighting, rainstorms and tornadoes. Loki is the god of mischief. He’s villainous. Should of have never turned into an hero. Let’s see more of his illusions. Asgard needs be magical and colorful. Explore more of the four realms. Explore characters like his brother baldur, Surtur and the ragnorok, enchantress, Lady Sif, warriors of 3, etc. As for Jane foster, keep her out. Maybe as side character but as for an big major roles? Nope. Instead focus on beat ray bill and have him be the future replacement for Thor. Of course, Legacy characters like Thor can never be replaced.