Knife Knowledge: Still The King??????? King Whetstones review
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2021
- King whetstones have been a staple. Everyone who uses them, loves them. Let's find out for ourselves. We have an opportunity to sharpen a 180 mm R2 Damascus Bunka by Kamo. I'm very familiar with this knife. We go through a progression of many varieties of King Whetstone products. Come along for the ride. Listed below are the stones that we use.
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Huge King fan. I went backwards, collecting Shaptons, Naniwas, Suehiros etc. before I ever got a King. Realized they are actually excellent stones regardless of the price. Oh and the Deluxe 300 is anything but soft. It's a very hard stone. Wears extremely slowly. One of my favorite coarse stones, and I have too many 😅
The king 1000/6000 combo is a great introduction stone… they do dish out very easily, but it’s a great learning tool about flattening pros and cons… for like 45ish Canadian dollars you have a stone that will get you shaving sharp and feel good while doing it..
Thanks for the info!
Just picked up a King KDS (1000/6000) today! Should be in tomorrow...excited to fix my kitchen knives!
I bought the 8000 King whetstone about 6 years ago. It is excellent. It has not worn down, nor chipped on the sides. I regularly use the dressing stone with it.
Loved it. Glad u showed what strong technique can do! Thank u Ms NdM
Thank you
Try the Shibata method (low grit on one side, high grit on the other). The result is toothy yet polished. I find it works particularly well on R2/SG2 and other stainless steels. Makes them feel like Carbon.
BOOM! I will definitely give that a try.
Woooooow it looks amazing! Do you know any forum or video that shows this method in more detaild?
Super cool :)
Dual Grit Sharpening is quite interesting. Todd from Science of Sharp did a study with electron microscopy on it.
Dual grit forms an aligned burr that is sturdy enough to work as an edge.
For this technique to work well it's quite important to use edge trailing strokes only.
Edge leading is excellent for cleaning a burr but in this case we don't want that since the microscopic burr will be the edge.
You are definitely growing on me. I am 75 and a pro field knife sharpener and also serve woodworkers. I am just learning Japanese kitchen knives and push and pull. It , P & P is new to me and difficult to find comfortable.
I appreciate you very much. I'm sorry I did not get back to you sooner. Been busy. I appreciate your support and you obviously bring a lot of expertise as well. Please comment always and share with us your wisdom. Thank you
I guess im starting the right way since i got all king whetstones. Nice video
Congratulations. It’s a good purchase. I had fun
I'm thinking of buying the King 800 despite it being very expensive in my country.
Good video and good channel. I would suggest you try the King Neo 800. Seems to be relatively unknown and possibly the best King stone made, and one of the best bargains out there. Splash and go, SiC abrasive, dishes slowly. Better then the similar grit King, Chosera, and Shaptons, imo.
I will definitely check it out.
I love your passion for sharpening. I've ONLY been using King stones up this point as I'm learning to sharpen correctly. I have already purchased the Morihei Fire line and then some naturals to level up after that. Glad to see I'm not the only fanatic when it comes to kitchen knife stuff (despite what my wife would believe). Your videos have been great guidance as I trepidatiously move forward. So, in short and not so short: thank you. (on a SUPER side note: I live on a farm and have axes and machetes that I use for land management. I'd love to see your take on sharpening those!!!)
Thank you for all that. On a sidenote, I have never tackled those things! I have both. My machete is definitely messed up. I don't know if I can fix out by that one is. We will have to give it a go
@@nadm www.gransforsbruk.com/en/product/gransfors-sharpening-stone/ Come on, you know you want to :) :)
I live on a farm as well. I have a huge thing for sharping my knives, kitchen knives, and my tools, axes and machetes as well. I usually machine them if they are really really bad, then maintain them with axe pucks , or at times and for certain tools my older stones I no longer use for my knives, as they get older and worn down, I'll switch them to tool work lol. Just know, sharpening your tools to often isn't smart, ive made that mistake and they really don't need to be that sharp either, lol, iv get bored and done it anyway, but it wears them out really quick and makes them even mkre dangerous then they are for people who aren't expecting a scalpel when they pick up a wood axe
@@beentheredonethat5908 I only tend to keep the machete silly-level sharp. My axes are mainly mauls and then only need a vaguely pointed end to work hahahaha
When I started out as a carpenter in the 80’s the King stones were cutting edge. If I’d started 10 years earlier I’d have been stuck with the super slow cutting oil stones. I still have one King stone around 1,000 grit and it probably gets the most use of any of my stones. I do not have anything harder than RC 62 though, with the possible exception of my Japanese chisels. They’re softer than more expensive brands and require more work to keep them flat. So, they wouldn’t be a professional sharpeners choice. But for home use with budget constraints they are excellent.
Thank you for that!
Ohh, you’re welcome. I know you pretty much came to the same conclusion 🙂.
1000 grit and then strop gets the best edge. Once you pass 2000 grit it becomes a specialized knife .
In grinding wheel abrasive structures, beyond the abrasive type, there is also the bond holding the grains together. These may be harder or softer. For grinding harder steels, a soft bond is preferred as it allows it to break away and expose new sharp grains. Conversely, soft metals require a harder bond.
Thanks for that trip. I love that. I appreciate it. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
Thank you, your video has helped me to decide buying the 8000 king stone
Glad I could help! Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I'm glad you like it. Please keep giving us feedback. Thank you for your support.
How do you like the 8000 grit whetstone?
After struggling to sharpen my knives with Cerax #1000 (which is absolutely amazing stone), I've switched to King Deluxe 300 and it cut edge like butter. It would take me dozen passes to develop burr on Cerax, while 2-3 passes were enough on King. Plus it's splash and go stone and even cheaper.
Yeah I think the king might be a little bit more aggressive because it's a 300 and therefore it is like butter. You must've had a really dull knife.
You either have a *very* dull knife or inconsistent angle that will not reach the edge. When I was a newbie I had problem with angle at first. If the angle is not enough, one is grinding the shoulder of the bevel and never reaches the edge. If you have a knife with very soft steel, it may also seem impossible to get it sharp (and sometimes they *are* impossible)
I use something like 300 only when re-profiling, removing chips or when making major changes to sharpening angle. For different angle I may start wit that, for chips or reprofiling there can be even more coarse stone at the beginning.
Cerax 1k is a capable stone, be it a cerax new, LD or 1010. (there is some speed difference between those)
Enjoyed it no end, and I don't even have a knife.
Thank you for your comment and thank you for your support. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
Hello Greg, I love KING stones, not all..but #1000/6000 amazing and easy take with me, the #4000 fantastic and #300 #8000 still in my box, cause the Kitayama Korin does that job great. Thanks you DO make a difference in this YT sharpening jungle, thanks an also to the Mrs
Xoxo 😘
Thanx for your channel, very interesting videos 👍King #1200 was my fist whetstone - managed to find it at good price here in Russia searching for one universal stone... but it was just a rabbithole enter 😂 as of now I have a set of #500 Russain stone, #1200 King deluxe, #3000 New Cerax and #8000 Naniwa traditional (this is my nowelty, how do you find this stone?)...to be continued 😂 Good luck to your channel and sorry for my bad English 🙂
You did great and I appreciate you checking in with us and following us. You sound like you have a nice collection and if you're using everything properly then you're gold. Thank you again for supporting us. Hope everything's good with you over there.
Hello. Nice presentation, I will definitely buy King. How often should I use the 300 stone? I'm afraid of deforming the blade of the knife too much.
Thank you and I really only use it when the knife is extremely dull. I mean extremely. You don't need that for a weekly maintenance. If you feel like you're spending an extra amount of time using the 1000 greater than you might need to go down to the 300
@@nadm Thank you
IMO King stones are the best on a budget. There are def way better options out there. Also 10x the money. But the stone won't dictate how your knife cones out. YOU will dictate how it comes out. Put a beginner on a $400 Naniwa and put a seasoned sharpener on a cheap $10 stone, the experts edge will outdo the beginners all day. So if you're starting out, I would highly recommend King as a starting point. With decent skill, the king 1000/6000 combo stone which is under $30 btw, will give an amazing edge and it's a good stone to learn on. You don't want to try to learn on a super expensive stone. It won't make a bit of difference for a beginner
I agree with you 100%
Hi Greg Love your channel and really appreciate the knowledge you share with us. I would be happy to hear your opinion, I understand that the king stone is good, the question is how good? I am an experienced sharpener who works with cerax 1000, do you think if I switch now to king 1000 I will be disappointed? The price difference is double (for me, shipping costs...)and it is indeed tempting.
Don't switch. Yours is better.
Slurry on the countertop in front of your wife. That is a bold move :) My wife and I laughed quite a bit over that one as she is by no means a fan of slurry!
I'm glad to know your wife is watching with you
Have u tried the suehiro g8 sic stone???? Also nano hone is an American stone company! Hap has a deep relationship with Japan is a true sharpening legend. The best stones on the market is nano hone stones. Cuts amazing with an incredible feel and feedback!
Trust me, that one is on the list! And yes I have had the opportunity to meet Murray Carter. I have Suehiro Version of the snow white 8K
That’s a nice sharpening pond! Where can I get that along with sink bridge?
Kasfly they are in different places now so you will have to Google it. It's not cheap but it's the best. At first I thought it was number two but I'm really sure it's number one.
@@nadm ok I thought Tojiro was number 1? I can’t find that one. No one seems to have it?
@@robertmunguia250 yeah, it looks like people stop making it. I definitely have changed my mind. Look into it. You’ll love it.
On the kasfly?
@@robertmunguia250 I believe that the kasfly is the best one. It just is.
Little correction : the 300 isn't soft :)
I could sharpen on the 300 every time but removes too much material , yeah the 300 isn't a stone to be used everytime.
You can use silicone carbide paper to flatten them :)
Why would people complain about the logo ? I NEVER sharpen on the logo ,would pointless to do it when there's a plain side.
So after using it a lot I definitely agree. I'm surprised I said that. It sounds like you're grinding your knife on pavement or asphalt. I didn't mean to say it was soft in the video. Maybe softer than compared to some things. I agree with you. When I do these videos I have to cover every person. So I was mentioning it in case people sharpened on the side with the logo. It's kind of hard when you're doing videos to not take into account every different viewer and user. It's kind of like reminding people that coffee can be hot. You assume everybody knows. You have to kind of take the time to say something. Thank you for supporting the channel. God bless
If not the King then still Royalty 😁
You know it really is a good stone. You don't have to spend a lot to get pretty good. There are things that just tighten the screws a little bit more but this thing is expensive and will last you a long time. I agree!
Forgot to mention in my last comment, why do you deburr the apex with slurry and why would you think that's beneficial to the apex?
I don’t really feel that it’s helping or hurting. I’m just doing edge leading strokes here. I do always finish on the leather.
If you weren't recording and explaining how long does this process realistically take for you? I know video is a year old but I just started freehand sharpening with whetstones. Thanks!
I can do life to a pretty sharp point probably 10 minutes or less. 15 minutes if the knife is really bad and I really want to get to the best edge. This does not include set up. If the station to set up than 10 minutes or less because I know how hard to press and I know it's time to start on.
@@nadm awesome info thanks!
Where did you get the King Hyper 2000? It's not so easy to find online.
I'll have to go back and find it. I think I got it out of Japan. I'm actually pretty sure I got it from Japan directly.
MTC Kitchen has them
@@44special9 thank you
@@nadm Your Welcome 😊
Wish you would've said something about the polish that King 8k leaves...
Also these horisontal cuts are just for the show, because in reality the knives are used to cut food in most cases vertical.
More than that there is a specific reason why a knife cuts or not the tomato when cutting horisontal like you do, and why it also cuts different when cutting vertical!
It has to do with sharpening technique, grit progression, stroping and a little more.
But since you are a knife sharpening nerd (like me) and like to test/discover new things, i will let you discover whatever i am talking about here and watch your videos and see if you ever discover, because it's a major difference for a pro chef when cutting food 😉
Thank you for checking out the channel. This particular video was just about the king whetstone product. The other things you mentioned are definitely more for sharpening videos. We do talk about them and the sharpening videos. I’m glad you’re a sharpening nerd because that makes us two of a kind. The horizontal slice on the tomato is just to show that the tomato doesn’t move because the knife is so sharp it doesn’t push it. I also have a video where I do it with an onion. You are correct, the knife normally cuts vertically. You’re also correct that different grids and different edges are used for different material when you’re cutting. We’re going to be doing videos in which we talk about the right edge for the right knife. I do appreciate your support and I appreciate the suggestions you mentioned in your comment.
@@nadm i watch all your videos you know 😏
There’s so many King! What’s the best one to get?
Hyper King
@@nadm I’ll see if I can find it. You recommend the KDS?
Nope, wasn't to long. Enjoyed every minute. Is someone getting
a little winded at recording? She does a wonderful job.
So this was an earlier video. I do have asthma. We’re starting to relax and have a lot more fun. We feel comfortable with our audience. We feel like you guys are just our friends at our house. It’s a little easier to do now. Before it felt like you were putting on a show. We’re just conducting sign sharing with you the results. Welcome into our home.
@@nadm Sorry about the asthma. I was actually poking fun at her maybe getting tired of recording because she said they were getting too long. Here's the way I see it, if people think the videos are too long they can use the speed up option. Aye?? Cheers!!
What is the different between the s-1, s-2 label of the finish stone?
I will have to look into it. I don’t know right off the bat.
@@nadm aight, imma wait for u feedback because it doesn't seems to had anyone talking about it
@@YMGTOffical 210X73X22MM comes with Nagura S-1 vs. S-2 190X70X20MM this is all I can find that was the difference between the two stones
@@nadm so basically the size?
@@YMGTOffical yes
What is that stone he is using to flatten the other stones?
Atoma Flattening Plate (1200) amzn.to/3DTG095
He used diamond.
Does anyone know about king deluxe 8000 g-3 ? does it any good than king combo 1000/6000 ?
I have never seen the distinguishment of the letters G and three anywhere on mine. So I don't know, but the king product has proven to be excellent and definitely an expensive
Are King stones natural or synthetic I have a new 3000 and 6000?
Synthetic and congratulations!!
Is the 2k you’re using the standard or the soft?
I would say standard.
@@nadm thanks
I have the 300 , the 5000 bought the Deluxe 1200 and it has to come.
Honestly I think they are very high quality for the price.
But being 100% honest the lowest good quality budget stones you can get are chinese diamond stones :) My 1st choice were diamond stones and I've never been let down.
Must be careful to avoid pulling off the diamonds ,so low pressure and let the diamonds do the work.
So I've definitely been playing with the diamond stones. Very aggressive and can seem very exciting because your work seems very fast. I was pleasantly surprised by how well these stones worked and I agree with you once again that they are amazing stones for the price. They're amazing stones no matter what.
My first water stones were King: 800, 1200, 4000, and the then King of the Kings, 8000. They are very good stones but that was before diamonds and ceramics. 17:50.If the slurry is used in the sharpening process, why waste it by discarding it at the end of a sharpening period. It can't be used after drying? Why not? Just curious.
I think the question is, where do I put it? I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
The King 8000 is even softer than the Kitayama 8000??? WOW! That's soft!
Personally I don't agree with this statement. The King 8000 is considerably harder than the King 6000, and also a much more efficient cutter than the 6000 as you could clearly see in this video. The Kitayama 8000, to me, feels very different to the King 8000 and I would say it is a little softer or as soft. The edge off of the King 8k is truly amazing, both extremely keen and with more bite than the Kitayama 8k. At least in my hands.
If someone wears out a King stone, they have enough experience to decide what they want to try next. (*and hopefully they were able to do enough sharpening for $$ that they can afford any 'next' stone) They will have also learned how to flatten, etc. They will see how fast/slow different steels cut on a "soft" stone. And, along the way, I would suspect that they would buy a splash-and-go to give them a try. King is a great learning stone. The fact that it is "slow" is a great thing for a beginner.
I use 800/1200/4000 King and all perform very well on a variety of steels. A Shapton Pro 2K feels very different, but all of them work on all of the "reasonable" steels.
I agree that if the stone is a little slow it might be good for a beginner but sometimes it can be frustrating if it's too slow because you might not know what you're looking for. I agree that is why I shouldn't go just saves time. We have to have patience when we are soaking but the soaking stones really do perform very well. I've personally value my time.
Good bang for your buck. The King 1k/6k can give people the ability to learn while producing great results. I recently gave mine to my brother for him to learn on. It's not the best stone out there but it's gotten a ton of people hooked on freehand sharpening.
I definitely think they're amazing for the price and the hyper stone series is really awesome.
@@nadm absolutely. I think the King 1k/6k is responsible for getting more people hooked on freehand sharpening than any other stone or product. Heck, I believe Murray Carter used that exact combo stone for years and years until he switched to Nanohone.
for slaughter/butcher, what number grit to use?
1000 or below. I would probably finish on the 1000. You can finish on the 3000 but don't go any higher.
@@nadm
after sharpening whetstone grit 1000, need sharperning steel again with finecut?
@@htcdoraqaza4777 no! Do not touch it with the steel. Those are for honing and if you were already sharpening, you don’t need a sharpening rod.
@@nadmok i'm understand.
I guess need for Straighten the edge
@@htcdoraqaza4777 yes definitely after you used it you need to realign the edge
He has a rust eraser
Him: Time to torment my natural stone muahahaha
I love it
No Nagura for a slurry?
I did not need that for this particular stone. I use a slurry when I'm polishing and the lower grit stones create a slurry very fast on their own. If I needed a slurry on the higher grit, then I could use one or I could use the lapping plate. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
@@nadm i tried some rouge on my Randall, and finally it will slice paper. It works great on a working blade or for fine polish. Have u used it?
@@travhammer I've used green and blue and it seems like maybe one other color like white maybe
Everything Ive learned about properly sharpening a knife with a stone one does not use a back forth motion. It is a pulling motion direction towards you and.on the other side of the blade a pushing motion away from you.
I'm not going back-and-forth. I don't pick up the knife when I'm going back to the other direction. I'll let it slide. The same way, Bob Kramer, the very famous knife maker, does it. He's the one that train to me. I have tremendous results with my technique. You could watch some of my earlier videos. The knife is either edge leading or edge trailing. But which ever direction I choose, it is not pulled back-and-forth on the stone in both directions. That being said, I have done it privately. The owner of Japanese knife imports does it that way. He talks about it in several of his videos. I have had great results with it even though it's not my normal way to do it. I can't find anything wrong with the technique. You're doing edge, trailing and edge leading both back-and-forth saving time. Again, not my normal, but it's hard to find something wrong with it. You should do some experimenting yourself.
I've seen Japanese go crisscross over whetstones.
This is the best stone, but I never used it.
This is the best knife, but I never used it.
This is the best video, but I'll never see it.
I don't understand the comment! I didn't say it was the best. I just said it was a good stone for the price. It's no wonder that people invest the money in the stone because it does pretty good. I think there are much better stones but they come out a more expensive price.
Eww why would they attach the stones to those mounts
I think that was pretty old-school and it can be irritating but I guess if that's all you know when you don't have a stone colder then it's helpful
try not popping your tongue so much it's hard to listen to . but other then that thank you for the video
I will try. That was an older video and I've gotten better. I take some CBD oil to try to call me down. I have facial tics and I tend to do it when I'm really focused. I do apologize for the disruption it's just part of who I am.