2022 Porsche 911 Carrera S Manual (600hp) - "Budget" Turbo S?
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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2024
- If you want your 992 911 with Turbo power but also the purity of RWD and a manual transmission, a tuned C2S might just give you the best of both worlds.
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Fenton, thanks for the review!
Not much we can do about the EPS, wonder if a more aggressive GT3 spec alignment would help?
More camber, caster, and stickier rubber might all be worth trying. Either way your car is a rocketship.
@@Zygrene Thanks for the video. One note - stickier rubber does not help at all with steering feel, which is why an ancient 911 with very narrow old school tyres and almost no grip has miles more feel than a modern 911. Steering feel is not about grip. If anything, high grip tyres reduce steering feel. But the geometry might help. You may also be able to use the GT3 steering map. You can map 9x1.1 cars including the 981 with the 991.1 GT3 steering map. Not sure about the 992.1 cars.
Mid engine way different
Shout out the the Porsche owner for nice build but most importantly… stick shift!!! 🙌🏻👏🏻🥳
I love the stream of videos coming out. I want to say "keep it going" but I know that's a lot of work and can be so exhausting. Nonetheless your content and insight is very much appreciated. Love the fact that you're getting so much experience with all these cars. Porsche expert some might say!
Thanks for the continued support!
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cool man awesome. You are one of the most genuine practical reviewers out here who goes for fun factor and feel. Appreciate that
I second that ! I can’t get this kinda feedback from anywhere else on CZcams.
Thank you both!
Cars are so fast now a bare bones base model 911 and Cayman/Boxter is more than enough car for 99% of drivers.
They always have been. Caymans and Boxsters have always been more fun to drive (bar the GT cars)
They are more fun to drive , in my opinion, because you can enjoy them and get the most out of them without having to drive nearly deathly speeds when cranking them out to the rev limiters🏎
@@augustortiz No, they aren't! It's just your "opinion", dude.
Only a few trashtalking wannabe "enthusiasts" who ere still endlessly claiming, that 718 Boxster and Caymans are much "faster" and better to drive than 911 models have so less clue about these things, that it's almost totally irrelevant to discuss with these people.
Every Porsche test driver can asure you, that every 911 model is THE BETTER sports car.
Just because some people can't afford 911 models, doesn't make 718 Boxster and Cayman models "more fun to drive".
"More fun" always means some very subjective emotions, which are completely different for every driver.
You are a clown, dude!
STFU!
Like to see if it can handle a 30 minute session at the track.
The tuneability is insane with 911's nowadays. The new 992.2 will have a bigger 3.6L with single electric turbo @ 26PSI, making a neutered 480HP - basically a severely detuned turbo s.
The new base 992.2 Carrera should be really good for tuning now. It has the turbos from the 992.1 GTS and the intercooler from the 992.1 Turbo. It also has larger brakes. I think the way to go would be to get the 992.2 Carrera 4, add in a Stage1+ tune, install the Ohlins Road & Track suspension, and add the Musicar stage 1 sound proofing to the Bose sound system. Leave the exhaust stock. Now you have a super high performance car, that be used Grand Touring and still be a beast for the occasional track day.
That's the smart man choice of the 992 lineup
This was a great review. I really appreciate the critical feedback on the overall driving experience. Its something that a lot of the reviews these days are missing.
I have a 991.2 C2S manual with a simple stage 1 ECU software tune which only cost me $1500. It has 100 more HP and 44% more torque.
Always cool to see a driver-focused Carrera build! Also, a 991.1 with the RR Racing centrifugal supercharger kit would add in “normally aspirated-style” goodness in addition to rear drive and a manual.
Now that's something I would love to experience.
I owend 718's (GTS & GT4) and 991.2 GTS and now 992.1 S and I will tell you that by far the 718's steering feedback / feel is much better. Not sure why though as the geometry is similar. I will say that the 718 actually has longer wheel base (to make room in the middle), so maybe that's why? The 992.1 S steering has been the worst one out of all the four p cars I've owned.
That's beautiful color! Good review but I'm stuck on the older N/A cars with the hydraulic racks.
It is so interesting to hear the discrete dichotomy on how the steering feels. I would love to hear what the folks who own a 992 Carrera has to say.
You need to drive my stage 2 M2cs! I have seen your stock M2cs video, mine is even more of a riot. I wish you could.
Awesome spec/build, and I’m sure it sounds great from the outside with that exhaust, but this still sounds like a vacuum cleaner from the inside like all other 992s with turbos. Is that noise artificially piped in where a fuse can simply be pulled? The 991.2 sounded much better.
I've never driven the 992.1 so I have no comment on how good it fits what I want. However, you mentioned turbo lag below 3k RPM. I have a 991.1 C2S and I wouldn't "hit it" below 3k since it doesn't have a lot of torque. I would absolutely downshift and keep my revs above 3k. So if that's the extent of the turbo lag it isn't bad.
Porsches are great, but a Supra or M2/M3 can be had for half the price and they can also be tuned for 500-600hp easily. I still feel like if you're paying 2x for the Porsche experience, you want something raw like a 997.1 GT3 or Cayman GTS 4.0.
I used to feel that way too, but no, there's a difference. I loved my E92 M3 manual and thought about adding a SC, but talked myself out of it when A) I realized I'm sick of tuning cars because there's always gonna be niggling issues and I wouldn't be comfortable driving the thing out to Vegas from LA, ever. and B) my buddy told me "yeah but no matter how fast it is it's still just a BMW" --- MAde sense to me! Now when I get an itch to go faster, I just buy a faster car and do simple mods that don't involve internals and serious tuning.
Also I think this is the best bang for the buck Porsche experience you can get right now if you're budget limited, like myself lol czcams.com/video/HfBwa4vYDOU/video.html
@@Chris11249 Yeah, I'm personally in the boat that I'm probably going to buy a supra or some kind of b58 BMW and just do some free flowing bolt ons and a tune with a piggyback ECU. Nothing too crazy, but people have been getting 450whp with that setup. And for $65k or so, it's not bad. I hope there won't be any issues with light mods like that.
I understand the sentiment that modified cars are hard to trust though. My engine swapped mr-2 is an autocross car and it gives me all sorts of little problems...
Not so sure about that and I own a 991.2T and a GTS 4.0. My tuned 991 is several steps beyond an M in my opinion... IMHO, the flat six really is a thing...
Right, doing minimal tuning is best, especially for reliability.
I love how he takes off from second and just cant believe the acceleration...
Got the same chassis, transmission, and trim. Curious what the spec sheet and checklist for parts look like to achieve that output.
I love this car! I know there are more expensive cars on the road, but this to me is almost perfect in so many ways, love the Gentian Blue. The 992 doesn't need RWS.
Think about how awesome for tuning the 992.2 Carrera T will be, with the 992.1 GTS turbos and the 992.1 Turbo intercooler from the factory. Easy 600+ HP.
Where do you go to modify shift to short throws?
Make manual great again.
That's a nice car. Seems to hustle very well.
I hear the 911 Carrera S and GTS are beasts with a tune. For the 992.1 the base Carrera and Carrera-t have smaller turbos.
Can you list the mods of this car?
Please list the mods on this car. Thanks!
981S PDK next please!
nice vid
could same mods be done to base 2020 carrera and approx cost? Thanks,Tim
Yes, but you need to swap out the turbos to GTS(same as S) turbos. The engines of the Base, S, and GTS are identical.
damn 140 stacks in 22, morbidly curious about the options
Sport classic at home but better because it's not absurdly overpriced and hard to get
What does you arm say?
Worth bearing in mind the brakes on this car are not up to dealing with 600hp. The brakes discs/calipers on the turbo variants are in your face bigger… and there’s an engineering reason for that.
I have a 991.2 Manual Carrera S now and agree with you on sound. I miss the sound and rawness from my 987.1 Cayman S.
I know the 992 has a nicer interior but would you say anything about it is a 40k-50k upgrade from the 991.2? I can also do the same tuning if I wanted to, but honestly at 420 it feels fast enough for the roads and even track days.
i know im old now, give me the symphony of a NA flat six , i dont care much about going straight fast just give me more time in the seat!!!
600hp is great, but this is still a $150k car.
Beautiful example of what I would want both as a starting point and mods.. bless me bless me bless me..♎♎♎✨✨✨🎁🎁🎁🆙🆙🆙👊👊👊
I have a 991.1 S. It only has 400 hp. I don't need more and can't even use what I've got. These cars are so pricy now that just the sales tax and registration is around 15k. A person with decent means could purchase a new 911 15 years ago. That's just no longer true.
haha! ditto! same car ,same logic. Not sure i'd like a newer one any better at twice the price!
991 generation was peak Porsche. The 992 could be anything from Benz or BMW, particularly the interiors. Its corner speed that matters, not straight line speed - chase grip not horse power.
Very mixed feelings about the 992. This car looks absolutely great on the outside, less so inside. I'm sure some aspects of the drive are great, but having driven a few 991.2 models with the 3.0 turbo, you lose so much versus the NA engine. Would be interested to try one but I doubt I'd desire to own one.
I used to think it did not look good on the inside. I drove a fairly tricked out on and fell in love with the Bordeaux / Chalk interior.
Thanks for your take on another car I'm unlikely to drive. The performance of these 992s is such that with a pdk a driver could
leave most other motorists in the dust while driving with one hand on the wheel and a coffee in the other hand but are they fun to drive? Recently I saw one in a parking lot from the distance and thought it was a Panamera. They really have morphed into barges. No thanks.
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Porsche has always detuned the cars lots of hp possible for sure
Sorry, that car isn’t making 600hp on 91 octane with the stock turbos. This whole, “the tune company claims +100hp and the exhaust claims +50hp, so I must have +150hp,” has always been a flawed reasoning, but even more so because those aftermarket companies are not doing their dyno with shit CA 91 octane. So it’s flawed assumptions top to bottom. Realistically, on 91 it’s making at least 10% less hp than it would on 93. So yea, if the owner is going to claim 600hp on tiny K03 turbos, “show me the dyno sheets,” I say.
I run 94 octane here in California. Not as hard to get as you might think
This car could easily be hitting that. Porsche underrates their engines to begin with. Adding the tune would totally put it close to 600.
I agree 600hp on stock turbo/91 not possible on a 3.0 unless that 3.0 is an S58
He called it “an absolute rocket-ship” - who cares what the numbers say or don’t say.
I have no insight to add on whether the claimed numbers are accurate, but I can say the butt dyno didn't care. Easily the quickest accelerating 911 I've driven, matched maybe only by the 997 GT2.
Call me crazy but high HP cars with manual transmissions are just... not as fun
You’re crazy
@@Mike-qq8iy WRONG!
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These cars are terribly slow for the price
OVERPRICED AF
Too fast, no fun.