The Talent & Controversy of Nina Bonina Brown
Vložit
- čas přidán 12. 04. 2022
- Nina Bonina Brown is one of the most conceptual queens to come out of Rupaul's Dragrace. To this day, many of the looks that she showcased on season 9 are still relevant to this day. I thought it would be a good idea to do an in-depth exploration of Nina's dragrace career, and try to offer different perspectives on certain aspects of her timeline. Hope you guys enjoy.
Nina's poodle look
• Nina Poodle Makeup Tra...
Nina calls Shea Coule
• Calling Shea Coulee
Well it's over - Nina Bonina Brown
• Well it's over
Nina responds to the 'Bearded Drag' drama with Lucy Stoole
• Drag Race Holland Epis...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Twitter: @GreenGay22
Thanks for watching! Please subscriber and like the video. - Komedie
I’m blocking everyone on this page for supporting me and then blocking green gay after i sleep with him
NIIIINNNNAAAA!!! 💚
The icon has arrived.
Love you Nina!!! I don’t coment cause there is something i just don’t do but i watch all the videos and even if i don’t agree with everything i can see where you coming from. I believe that is what is missing alot those days, to be able to put ourselves in someone elses shoes. Who am i or anyone else, to dictate what is right or wrong? Agree to disagree and move on!
SUE US, MAMA
I-
“to make matters worse, she also had to learn choreography from Todrick Hall” that line just ended me 💀😂
I literally chuckled so hard.
@h3zANDRU Yeah me too. Why did that make it worse?
@@sandra-jones I personally do not like Toddy and I’m glad they stopped using him. He’s sketch.
@@h3zANDRU that's understood. It still doesn't say why it's worse. She didn't have any issues with Toddrick.
@@sandra-jones I think it’s all personal opinion on him lol lots of ppl don’t care for him on drag race in general. He’s a trip.
the fact that she STILL remains one of the most HIGHLY requested all stars even after 5+ years says a lot about Nina and her drag!!! ❤️❤️
THAT part ☝️
She's just iconic
I WOULD LITERALLY CRY SO MUCH THIS WOULD BE SO AMAZING
@@doriwormx she's actively attacked trans people online
@@herokibs me too... and you're point????
I don’t wanna see Nina on All Stars cause I don’t wanna see WOW disrespect her anymore than they have. I want to see her get more diverse types of gigs so she can reach bigger platforms, cause she is the most iconic conceptual queen to go on the show
Same. I can't see WOW productions actually giving Nina a chance to have a good run. They'd just make her a villain, and damn it, Nina doesn't deserve that. She's better off not going back there.
I mean multiple queens have had such bad experiences being on Drag Race, they try to distance themselves from the franchise as much as possible. Plus, some queens are blacklisted from the show.
I’ve also thought that Drag Race with it’s Draconian time constraints, unrelenting schedule, and simultaneous isolation and lack of privacy just aren’t a good environment for her.
I've been thinking Dragula would be a better fit, especially considering she reviews it.
@@TheDopekitty i dont have faith in the boulets giving her her flowers either :/
I really don't think Rupaul forget her name as if he didn't care. That looked like a brain fart moment. He seemed genuinely happy to recognize her.
It's also well know that Rupaul forget names easily. 🤷♀️
Yeah, Ru seemed quite enthusiastic in that clip to me. He could easily have ignored Nina's presence and pointed out a different queen. I think we all have those moments where a name/word that we know slips our minds... I do it to my own family members!
Eh, we all know Ru cares little about the girls over all, but hey, he probably was at least a bit genuine. He is human and he will have queens he connects with more than others.
I mean she literally forgot Jinkx name in front of her. Dementia is a scary illness.
Also rupaul is old and probably meets 100 different people everyday. I just think she had a hard time remembering her name on the spot 😅
Not a winner of drag race saying it’s inappropriate for a Queen to make a political statement in drag?!
Drag is a political statement. That’s what drag is built on. Tell me this is false.
It seems out of character for raja, I’m also skeptical about it
Nonetheless, what Nina did was and still is so intelligently anti-racist.
@@user-ro5iu6br4f one million percent
Drag isn't a political statement and drag isn't built off of politics either. What a genuinely uneducated and boring way to look at drag.
Dont get me wrong, drag can be used in politics and politics and the discussion about things regarding absolutely has a place in drag (and also I love nina's red carpet look, the actual structure of the face is amazing)
I love her response to the "read" that she lives with her parents, "I'm sorry your parents don't want you staying there." When you look at history and the world in general it's actually rare for a culture to stigmatize people living with their parents the way we do. Seems we're particularly guilty of it here in Scandinavia for some reason. I don't personally live with my parents but I don't see why it's a big deal.
Is there a big emphasis on the nuclear family in your country? In the US the nuclear family (mom dad and children) is considered the most important unit in our society so that’s why you see this push for kids to become adults and leave to start their own families.
@@darkwriter_xx94 Yeah the nuclear family is still what people are expected to strive towards.
@@eels3658 that’ll do it 😅 I moved away from my parents after college but they saw no problem with me coming back home during Covid to save on rent. Unfortunately that isn’t common here. Like you said, it was way more common to live in large extended family households. I wish we could go back to that.
@@darkwriter_xx94 Me too, sounds cozy to me, but then again I have a good relationship with my family... And living by myself in a tiny overpriced apartment has never made me feel more "adult". 😅 I think we have more single households in Sweden than anywhere else in Europe, it's just lead to a lot of loneliness and the housing market in Stockholm being notoriously awful.
Yeah, in the Philippines, we stayed with our parents until we’re married. My relatives were shocked to find out that in the USA, I live several states away from my parents.
Nina’s journey on her season has to be one of the most frustrating things I have ever watched on Drag Race, because it was a textbook representation of the real life effects and stigma behind mental illness. Watching everyone completely misunderstand her in Untucked and say all the wrong things took me back to my high school days, when people would get upset with me for being a downer when I had no real control over my situation.
I respect what Nina stands for on her channel, which is open and respectful discussion. I don’t always agree with her, and she probably wouldn’t always agree with me either. And that’s okay. She is brave enough to talk about things that most of the queens wouldn’t and never sugar coats her opinions. People love to manipulate a lot of what she says, so I can’t blame her for being so hostile nowadays.
One day, I hope she gives herself the chance to return, if she’s ready. She deserves a Rudemption.
Her transphobia may have been open but it was never a respectful discussion. Transphobia should not be respected
@@HeyLetsDoAThing she’s not disrespectful at all get a rest girl
Yes! I really hate watching untucked because most of the queens have been so rude and disrespectful against Nina’s depression but when it’s about their own (old and resolved) problems there’s cry without tears and hugs everywhere, I can’t stand most of the cast for the way they treat Nina
@@mauriciolasch Transphobia and racism are very disrespectful, actually, but it’s good to know you and a bunch of the people in GreenGay’s audience just don’t seem to care if it’s someone you Stan.
you spilled nothing but facts
It really bothers me Sharon needles has over a million followers, and still gets sponsorships, despite the numerous stories about her, but Nina gets hate. I think race dictates how much and what the girls get away with. I just want EQUAL accountability. If these girls ain’t canceling Sharon or the 50+ queens apologizing for saying ni*** every other tweet, Imma keep rocking with Nina. Lots of queens say problematic things, Nina is just also black 🤧
Right?!
It's the double standards for me 😒
🍵🍵
Race abso fucking loutely plays a huge role in this. Sharon Needles has enough prominent stories that she’s easier to point out, but the same applies to Mimi on first. She may not be the big name that most people would go to for drag race, but she does a lot of the production and staging of the cruises and stuff so she’s making a pretty penny in spite of a copious amount of accusations against her that are far worse than anything Nina thought of doing. Like I said in my earlier comment, a lot of these “problematic views“ that people are so quick to point out are things that Trixie has said or Willam has said, and nobody bats an eye. To be clear, I am not suggesting that she should be saying some of these problematic things, but what I am saying is that you don’t hear anything about it when it’s Trixie or Katya (who I love) or a great many other predominantly white queens. Katya in fact said and did some absolutely, like literally insane things when she was not doing well with her mental health, and everyone was so quick to say “well she’s not mentally well!“. Which she’s not. But why does she immediately get that pass?
@@pembrokelove sorry but what did katya do? i only know about the texts she sent to trixie
I am not a black person but I can tell a lot of haters come for nina cus she is black, and a lot of queens too, its not because she's saying something "wrong" sometimes.
When Nicole Paige brooks hates your drag aesthetic, you know you’re on to something.
Omg 😂😂😂😂😂
I literally wanna see a season with both Nina Bo’nina Brown and Acid Betty…now, THAT’s next level art
And Utica too. All 3 of them would be amazing
"To make matters worse she had to learn choreography from Todrick Hall"
I laughed so hard at that. Any cast who had to work with Todrick was very unlucky.
Why do people dislike todrick? I know nothing about him expect for what hes done on drag race so i have no clue!
@@GabyHxlvxtica he doesn’t pay his dancers. His allso didn’t pay his rent in the home he did a tour in and asked people to buy him wine in that video showing the home he doesn’t really own.
I'm embarrassed that I thought he was hot when I saw him on Drag Race years ago
@@jadintimothy842 OMG I totally FORGOT I saw that video until you mentioned him asking for wine donations lol that stood out to me
I enjoy Nina, and I especially dislike the reads about her living “at home”. This is not a read on her at all, but someone who has been as open with her mental health struggles as Nina has been may need more support and people around her who she loves and who love her. Not everyone is able to live completely independently, and that’s okay. How many adults in this country go from family home to dorm to their marital home? How many go from family home to dorm and back to mom and dad? And, like Nina said herself, she has a loving and supportive family who want her around; maybe some other queer performers don’t have that familial relationship and maybe have some jealousy.
Does Nina have some yikes takes? Yes. I have seen popular, often white, fan favorites say similar problematic things and it gets glossed over. Seeing that happen may even be why she doubles down and can’t see when her takes might need some reviewing. I don’t know. I don’t live in her head. But I still find her to be fiercely talented and deserving of a place at the table.
Exactly, especially yvie as much as i love her is guilty of this and has the audacity to act high and mighty :/
@@darcyflowers8771 Yvie is so fake and actually a bully. I'm not surprised other queens on Season 11 didn't like her.
I agree no one cares who lives at home anymore it’s good to stay close to your parents it’s like if you’re a woman everyone is cool with it but if you’re a guy it’s some negative thing no…that’s dumb! Nina is doing great things and likes being by family.
Aaaaalll of this 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
The truth is that eventually a child has to take care of their parents, as they start to decline.
HONOR THY MOTHER & FATHER
- If you are successful and have the house, your parents move in with you
- if your parents have the house, the child moves back in with their parents
- You can also put them in a nursing home, if the burden becomes overwhelming and the parent requires 24 hour care, but even when needing to exercise this option, which many POC don’t, the child visits, supervises and participates in every single day to ascertain their parent is being properly cared for
In many families this responsibility often falls on the gay child, because they don’t have a spouse or children of their own. Nina/Pierre is entering her 40’s with parents that are Senior Citizens, with the gradual process of helping them stay on top of things, being their Health Advocate starts happening
I’ve seen countless of people wholeheartedly move back home and step into this responsibility with nothing but love for their parents. If you come from parents that are still together, like Nina/Pierre (and myself) you also are mindful and comforting to the parent that is watching their spouse decline.
This is heart work ❤️
At this point, all my friends are in a position of having to be the Caregiver to their aging parent(s). Last year, we all lost a parent to COVID-19. My best friend, lost both his parents. From the health care, illness, to death, funeral arrangements and putting their affairs in order (selling house).
It’s a lot of work, but the love you have for them will see you through it. This is the stuff that people don’t talk about, but it happens everyday. R.I.P. to all the great parents and strength & blessings to the gay or female child that took on the responsibility and saw it through.
“Women (and gay children) are their for the sickness and death. Men only show up to divide the assets”
Y'all rupaul is old and did so many drugs and there's so many queens, bless. The fact she pointed to her and asked who she was means that Nina means something to rupaul. 🥺
I laughed so hard at Nina reading the rejection letter
LMFAO SAME she is a genius
Same here
why???
Ive always liked Nina Bonina Brown
I feel like Nina is really misunderstood, and it sucked not seeing her cast mates on Season 9 not really take her mental health seriously, especially Sasha who would constantly talk abroad bringing awareness to things like mental health and eating disorders then would totally dismiss Nina’s absolutely legitimate concerns and issues. I really wish the best for her moving forward because she’s always been my favorite queen.
facts
Lit how a lot of us feel irl even with friends. Any time I've gone through something like Nina, (mentality speaking) and I come across someone like Sasha I'm like BRUH
Sasha was obsessed with the sound of her own voice.
Sasha is a pure narcissist.
Who cares what a sicko thinks or says...
I don’t like Sasha velour for that reason. She’s fake. She’s a fake advocate for important issues
I think people hate on Nina so bad because she doesn’t bow down to them. She says what she wants, when she wants. She’s unapologetic. It is what it is. She’s also a black drag Queen.
Jusk like Tyra and Vixen, just weird i guess
Thank you for acknowledging Nina's self sabotage. I remember Nina not being as confident about herself on the show at the time and would self sabotage. I feel the black chyna invite was an example of that. Either way. I love Nina and wish she had more time on the show.
Saying bigoted shit whenever you want and being unapologetic about it isn’t actually a good thing. Apologizing to marginalized communities you said offensive bigoted shit about isn’t “bowing down” to anyone. I hate how people make this about cancel culture and not the shitty things Nina has done and said.
@@HeyLetsDoAThing u ate
@@HeyLetsDoAThing I once said I laugh to dark humor with no exceptions (abortion, disability, orphans, sickness) and got told to apologize because “i havent gone through that” restriction BS. My humor wasnt bigoted, that was a different opinion and different preferences, and they want me to apologize for it. The “bigotry” you think is, are just things you dont agree with or dont like. I dont like to have kids, but I wouldnt call pro-lifers bigoted because everyone has a right to their own thoughts. Bigotry has been watered down to “opposing views I dont like”. You cancel what you dont like, like a narcissist that want everyone to think the same thing as you because you think you’re 100% right and 100% righteous, like a dictator.
Im glad Im not a cringey twitter user that asks for an apology at the slight hurt feelings. Im glad i grew up in an asian country with strict parents that taught me to toughen up because the world isnt gonna adjust for me. In the words of that one guy in a pink room when asked to apologize for minorities he offended: “Nah. SJWs can go kick rocks”
I enjoyed the Acid Betty love in the video. She really did get brushed aside by the fans of the show. Like how has she not been on all stars?!
@@ccw139 She´s talking about Acid Betty, not Nina.
@@ccw139 They said Acid Betty, dear. This video talked about Nina for us.
Yea acid has been really done dirty by the fanbase because they refuse to let go of something that happened how many years ago? and was simple petty drama.
@@JuanitoEsBonito what happened?
Acid Betty is such an incredible and underrated queen, for sure!!
Nina just needs a positive and healthy environment to express herself in.
THIS
And also the reason why as u say i double down is because 1 million people can say Something but that doesn’t mean their right. If i dnt feel I’m wrong I’m not gonna say I’m wrong just to make people who’s been bashing me happy no ma’am. I can say to this day me pointing out someone having curves is not t phobic it’s ignorant to think that. Are we saying that some guys dnt have curves? It’s the people who give out fake apologizes yall should worry about.
Yeah there's definitely some selectivity within the fanbase over which queens deserve to 'cancelled' over others. Your videos are still very entertaining for a lot of fans. I tried to make the overall perception of my video be that despite all the drama, you're a very important figure in the Dragrace Legacy. Thanks for taking the time to comment 💚
"I can say to this day me pointing out someone having curves is not t phobic it’s ignorant to think that. Are we saying that some guys dnt have curves?"
But you didn't say that. You said "Of *course* Gottmik can wear this [little black dress runway] and still have curves. We *know* why...." and then you laughed like you had made a joke.
It was clearly a jab at her being trans, stated in a negative way. Why are you pretending that you were just "pointing out someone having curves" when it was clearly more than that? Never mind the rant about "real trans women" from the insta live with Mystique. Your comments were and continue to be hurtful and harmful to people like me, and it sucks because I was such a fan. I'm tired of people I used to admire refusing to apologize and own up to what they've done when it hurts fellow marginalized people
I was just about to respond along similar lines. Opinions are never right or wrong. They're opinions. If someone doesn't share the opinion of the louder group, it doesn't make them wrong.
i defended nina on and on again and have supported her so much. but what did it to me is when shes with this cis girlfriend of her doubling down that the word shemale is not problematic. as a transwoman for 20 years this slur has been thrown around us by cis people whenever they are about to kill or beat us or mock us up. that made me so heartbroken as i love LOVED!!! nina .
also u cant deny ninas talent. rawview i watched alot until i see that part. that broke my heart as a fan
This 💯 I never thought your opinions were transphobic at all. You made a true factual observation. People who call everything “phobic” are just as ignorant as the true phobes that be existing out there. Love you Nina and keep being you 😘
As a guy dealing with depression, watching how the s9 casts dealing with her on untucked kinda frustrates me. I get how she felt when she lipsynced against Shea. After sending two fan favorites (Aja and Valentina), she held back a bit because in her mind, she knew the backlash of sending the third one will be too much to handle.
Nevertheless, I still support Nina and she's one of the few drag race queens I followed (along with Mariah, Raja, and Rock M)
I hated it. I have depression too.. and the way they were like omg she's annoying really shows how apathetic people are to real problems.. but those same people whine about their superficial problems that were solved with money. Depression can't be solved like that. And ya.. I hated it.
But the show is already filmed she was just defeated for being in the bottom for the third time
guys I have to say... being a person struggling with mental issues I get what you're saying - but at the same time I feel like the girls really tried their best, especially being at a competition. they could be like "who cares" but no, ppl like Shea or Sasha really tried helping Nina. did it work? mostly no, lol. but they only knew Nina briefly and I think they were mostly really nice towards her.
@@charliez077 man, both great queens but literally the worst approach to helping a person with a mental illness. I know I don’t want people chanting for me, etc. Who got it right though? The crew member from the art department who she made-over: he knew what to say and how to say it.
Nina is just defending herself. She doesn't start any drama. Drama comes to her and i think she is staying strong for having to put up with all the unnecessary hate.
This isn’t necessarily true. There are times where Nina does make some tone deaf comments in her rawviews about certain queens appearances or bodies or even RuPaul which could be seen as starting drama.
With that said, most of the time people have overreacted in response.
@@ryanm7654 has an opinion in her video, on her channel and doesn't tag people, share clips on socials...
Fans take bits out of content, share it around and get the hate train together to come for her.
@@BurnDaDebt Yes I’m aware of what happens. All I’m saying is Nina isn’t completely innocent and has made several comments that would easily be seen as antagonistic or inappropriate towards certain queens. It’s important to acknowledge this especially if you’re a real fan of Nina.
Doesn’t justify the obnoxious “fan” responses though. They take shit too far constantly. Like you said, the trend of sharing things out of context has gotta stop.
Her comments about trans and Mexican people were grossly out of line and it was drama that she created. She didn’t have to be transphobic or racist - she chose to be, then she chose to double down without ever apologizing.
@@HeyLetsDoAThing What comments did she make about trans people that were out of line?
my thing is everyone makes mistakes, yet only certain queens like Nina are condemned continually. Has she made mistakes yes but so many things have been taken out of context. Other queens are given such a huge platform for things that are deemed problematic yet forgiven in a heartbeat.
Selective outrage is what they call it.
Because Nina doubled down and says it unprovoked
@@justinbruce4126 not true
@@cameronjmorrissey374 very true actually when she got called out for having the t slur in the intros of her video she first doubled down before stopping by and when the Mik thing about she went live invalidating Non Binary people
People always create outrage to excuse their own need to bully someone. Pierre never said anything with malicious intent and I always feel like the things he say that are controversial are blown way out of proportion by other people that want to be caught up in drama.
1000% disagree on the Nina/Shea storyline, producers would have set them up to be rivals and given Shea the power to send Nina home at some point
Ya you watch that reunion thing and they played it sonhard
You can disagree with Nina you just have to "Keep it cute, keep it Mute, or get the Boot"...
I have disagreed with Nina many times and she still leaves a heart on my comment and usually comments and takes the time to talk to me.
Many other queens do NOT do this.
Nina has alot of moderators that block users for the stupidest comments. Not ninas fault but yeah…
Correction, Nina won’t block you because you say something she doesn’t like…she blocks if it’s rudely worded & rooted in negativity.. but you can say whatever want, respectfully.
I love nina, most people don’t get her humor or her sarcasm. one of the most versatile drag race queens
like when she calls trans woman a man?
@@colon5246 she never did that…like ever 😂
I love Nina. Do I agree with everything she says? No. But I will say she’s probably the only drag queen that has actually responded to my comments. Almost every comment I’ve made on her videos, she’s had a response or at least acknowledged it. I don’t expect that from anyone, but it’s really sweet to me when you know the artist values your opinions.
I agree
When I sent her some coin in memoriam for my trans friend who was raped then murdered she responded by asking me about her story and was very humble in accepting the tip. I love Nina and just wish that the toxic fans would appreciate her artistry and calm the F down
@@wbtothey that’s so lovely to hear, condolences as well about that horrible situation. Nina also has a very dry/sarcastic sense of humor, so some people will take that & run with it. Nina’s humor often lacks context itself if we are talking RAWviews.
Nina is an immensely talented drag queen who I've always said "She can paint like you, but you can't paint like her" because it takes skill and hard work to craft like her.
But I've also said that she has real "Dish it but can't take it" energy when it comes to opinions and criticisms.
Acid Betty's entrance is, hands down, my favorite of all time. Iconic. I would love to see Acid and Nine on an All Stars season together.
I LIVEEEEEE for Nina. She is an ICON whether or not she ever goes back on the show.
I don't get why Nina got backlash for the 'Bearded Queens are not my favorite' thing. She was just voicing her opinion on how beards in drag are not her thing and that she finds it lazy. I find it really cool to some extent, like how Pearl did her bearded look in Season 7, but when it's hair, it can be very temperamental to work with.
esp when other queens like trixie have said similiar
@@bloodykon1 and Janey Jackey who said that on the actual show and got 0 reaction from Miss Lucille...
You don’t understand why she got backlash for calling an entire drag artform lazy?
It’s pretty easy to understand, if you think about it for a second
@@HeyLetsDoAThing Then why Janey Jackey got no reaction for saying the same thing? 🤔
i love how ppl who don’t do drag give an opinion on drag queens giving an opinion on their profession
Season 9 was the first season I watched and Nina was the first queen I felt so connected to. I loved and sympathize so much and even to this day I do. I’m a frequent viewer of her rawviews and she truly makes my days way better. I really love her and her humor! Go Nina!
I am a massive fan of Nina. Her aesthetic has a completely different point of view and she does it on a budget (not fact, but I would assume so given the bitch loves her paper). On top of that I think she is hilarious, her Rawview's are so entertaining and she isn't afraid to keep it real and read a queen.
I just love Nina so much. My favourite Queen from the franchise actually. She was mistreated and misunderstood a lot not only by the fans but by her fellow queens. But none of that shlt matters now as she just do whatever she wants to do for herself and for the people that loves her. And most of the times her words are being twisted by the haters to turn into something else against her. Long live my Unapologetic ControVersial and critical queen 💖✨
I just feel like Nina got so much shit the moment she started doing drag, does she lack(Ed) self confidence ? Yes ! But how can you be confident when you get shit just for presenting something different (according to rpdr standard). It's fucking sad because on her season she was overwhelmed by doubt (and let's not start on how much a white queen would have been considered so much highly for doing the same
👏👏👏👏👏
I AGREE with your statement 💯 def my favorite queen.
When people say their favorite queen from the franchise is someone who has been openly and unapologetically transphobic and racist, it says something. You can say that “none of that shit matters now” but it matters to people who care about condemning transphobia and racism.
@@HeyLetsDoAThing What’s she said that’s transphobic and racist? Genuinely curious
Nina is amazing. I must admit it took me a while to understand her but I'm here for everything now. She might have a dry delivery but she's funny as hell, loves honesty and giving a good read. Underrated AF
I really like Nina. Idgaf what people hint of her, her drag is amazing and she tells it like it is.
I’m a huge Nina fan. What makes me gravitate towards her more than any other queen is how real she is. When I look at other queens I feel like I’m just looking at an image or a model, just another TV personality. Watching Nina I feel like I’m having a conversation with a real person. It’s very refreshing.
I don’t think Nina blocks people if they don’t agree with her, she just asks for people to agree or disagree RESPECTFULLY. Which is fair in my opinion.
I also disagree that her response to drama is poor. I respect more so that she sticks to how she feels and doesn’t offer fake apologies to appease everyone. I think the hate and labels she gets for being Transphobic is so wrong. Nina made a joke, a “read” about Gottmik. Whether or not people found it funny offensive or didn’t think anything of it at all is subjective. It’s not fair to label a subjective joke as one thing or another. Everyone is entitled to feel how they want to feel about her comment without bashing her, her fans and labelling her as a transphobe for it. Her joke might’ve been in “poor taste” to some but I don’t think it even comes close to being transphobic. I guess after seeing comments about trans people online, especially on the Shaderoom on instagram, it’s hard for me to view Nina’s remarks as Transphobic when people have truly said some actually horribly violent and vulgar things about Trans people there that are way more deserving of that title.
Idk I guess I find it weird also that she got so much hate when fan favourites such as Bianca Del Rio and Trixie Mattel have made similar (or arguably worse) reads about others yet they don’t get cancelled. Reading is also a part of drag culture, we see it every season, yet we don’t see any queens getting labelled as racist or fatphobic when they make edgy jokes during the reading challenge. There just seems to be a double standard when it comes to Nina.
That’s just my take on Nina. I really appreciate this video though cause one of the most annoying things about discussions of Nina is it’s always centred around Drama. You’ve taken the time to show her talent and how her art and drag influenced people and the drag race as a whole. She’s more than a Blac Chyna joke or some shady jokes online. She’s an extremely talented artist. I really enjoyed your exploration of her 🙏
That part. Even in the first 20 seconds of the vid, she says she welcomes mature conversation and you're free to disagree as long as it's respectful. Seeing how GreenGay left that out was very misleading.
People, you could forget anyone’s name. He recognized her and knows a lot about her. He seemed excited to see her too. Plus - they only spent a few months together. I have elementary school classmates not remember our names. Maybe if she went back it would solidify the valid bond between her and RuPaul that started to blossom.
I hate the "fandom" jumped on Nina when it was "cool to hate Nina". Sure she has said some controversial things, but yet the "fans" continue to uplift queens like Trixie, Bianca and Katya who have said and continue to say some terrible things 1,000x worse than the tongue in cheek jokes Nina makes here and there. They canceled Sherry but Sharon is still celebrated in some circles?! Give Nina her flowers for being a talented drag artist and a fantastic lip sync performer! She deserves as much as a chance as any other queen that is given exposure time after time again!
wait what did Katya say??
@@PoorIdentification426 I’m pretty sure it’s just Katyas sense of humor. Like her fucking her dad jokes. Kinda yikes in theory but the fandom is fine with those but not Nina’s humor in comparison.
Nina is transphobic. FULL STOP.
Don't defend that.
Nina deserves flowers for her transphobia because other people have done or said shitty things?
How about we don’t give flowers to anyone who says transphobic shit?
so basically we shouldnt hold her problematic actions accountable just bc theres other people that have done worse things than her??
WOW is really missing out on Nina. She's so genuine and relatable.. AND STUNNING
This video perfectly summarizes how I feel about Nina and tbh as a Black woman I understand how constant unfair criticism makes you so defensive you can't see any critique of yourself as fair.
It seems like every time Nina has a “cancellation” moment, Ru girls are some of the first to get behind it and put in their own two sense when it really has little to do with a majority of them. Personally, I feel as tho Nina is a scapegoat for them. Queens will see Nina’s controversy as the perfect opportunities to condemn her actions and come off as “woke” or non-problematic themselves.
Nina can make one joke and become a main cancellation topic in the franchise, but the fans and queens will ignore queens and topics such as Redacted Pie coming back and getting showered with love, Baddy Davis making a racial joke about the Asian community and when brought to attention by River Midway- only got attention because Roscoes didn’t want to go through another scandal and cancelation.
A million times THIS!!!!! 👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽
Nina came to a club in my hometown once (had a lovely experience meeting her and Jaymes Mansfield) and the photographer managed to capture a picture of what looks like Nina hitting me in the face when she was dancing in the crowd. It was awesome.
The thing about Nina that I really like about her artistry is that she can really do any look - campy , horror , glam - like when I see her in her concept looks I love it but when she pulls glam it’s like 😮 she really knows how to paint her face and she’s stunning ❤
nina is my favorite queen, hands down! ty for the vid i wonder if she'll watch!
I bet she will. I love her so much!
To be fair, dry humor isn't received at all by an American audience
It has to be done well. It has to be a joke and not mean spirted. Americans do love dry humor; it is the basis of their comedic history.
not true. the office is one of the most popular shows in america and it’s tons of dry humor.
@@aestheticdenise9916 I didn't watch it so I don't know but as it is an acquired taste so the younger audience lets say isn't really receptive to it from what I've seen.
I love dry humor, but I’m not going to give her transphobia a pass, nor her racism.
Intent is key but a lot of people don't even seem to know intent exists.
Nina is the only queen out there to say what’s really on her mind and to actually interact with fans. She’s a lovely queen
When you’re low, stuck in/out of chronic depression, sometimes is hard to communicate and specially handle the heavy criticism… I watch most of her videos and I can see an amazing human being, trying to fix her wings and learn to get out of her shell again… that’s why Rupaul and Shea used to get mad at her, because they have been where Nina is (mentally), but some people get to shake off those saboteurs easier than others… plus, everyone has different path/timing and have seen evolution within her videos and what she shares about herself. I like many queens, including Valentina, love them both. Plus the funny queens Bianca, Bob and Trixy/Katya combo.
Yes but nina has real depression. Not just a blip.
when the cancel culture hit Nina was when i met the problematic side of him, so i look deeper and i just couldn't help myself of liking the style of drag, the humor and the personality. overall, as a trans person, i felt kinda disconnected from him but then I watched some of his CZcams videos and it felt so natural and unapologetic which is my vibe ngl.
so nowadays, i love watching Nina's CZcams channel, because he says some important things about how things work when you don't live throughout someone's expectations, he doesn't feel the need of showcase the star that he is, it's just something fun and genuine, and in my opinion that's what the world needs.
Nina is a legend. She is THE one we need to see on All Stars at some point, I just hope she's doing well and is confident in her skills.
Her drag is unmatched and her IG cosplays are insane too
I'm rooting for Nina, despite her bad takes on some topics. She's very hard to dislike for me. I really just find myself wanting her to find happiness, even if her comments might've of hurt some peoples feelings, I have to sympathize with her struggle with depression. A lot of people don't talk about how bitter and angry you can be while in a depressive state. To me it's kind of a "cry for help", not so much her looking for attention but her being angry getting on the show wasn't the live changing experience she thought would make her happy. Like " I though you saw my talent and are going to give me the validation and opportunities I deserve but I guess not."
That being said, I appreciate Nina, she's one of a kind and I even if she's apprehensive about taking criticism, I still think her creativity should be admired.
So you support transphobes. Brave of you to do so.
I personally don’t root for transphobia, and don’t find it hard to dislike transphobia, but that’s just me.
@@HeyLetsDoAThing Good for you, but spamming us with your perspective on things it's not the vibe. The whole comment thread is full of you
@@yckfides5613 You know what *actually* isn't the vibe? Transphobia, racism, and celebrating someone who is unapologetically both. You can call it spam if you want, but I'm cool with being anti-racist and anti-transphobic and spreading that sentiment as far and wide as possible.
@@HeyLetsDoAThing she’s not racist or transphobic though y’all keep trying it
I follow Nina on CZcams, and she will talk with us during her Livestreams. I love it. Nina has crazy talent. Im blown away by her
She's is probably the most creative queen that has ever been on the show. She was mistreated on season 9 by production. She and Charity Kase really are too talented for drag race
Im Hispanic and watch her videos because she says the truth and doesn’t sugar coat things like the newer queens to in order to avoid “hate” from the fans. She has said many Hispanic jokes and never once got offended. People just love to hate her because she’s black
Another thoughtful, insightful deep dive, we're not worthy. Thank you Green. And is this the first time we've seen Green in person on one of his videos? What an amazing smile. More please x
I love Nina!! I think we can all agree how extremely talented she is. There is nobody else out there like her. Nina deserves so much more. I love you PIERRE!
keep up the great content!!
Thank you 💚
I remember I would tune into her lives on IG everyday!! I wanted to get noticed by her soooo bad I changed my name to Toothbrush because it was easy to say. And the one time she noticed me was when she was trolling and saying a commercial had ripped off her Peach look and I said Idk about that, girl. She said “Well Toothbrush, I think they did!”
I stanned ever since I love a nice delusional queen like myself
I love Nina SO MUCH! She is my depressed hero, she’s not afraid to speak her mind and I love her dry humor, I crack laughing every single joke and specially her reads to other girls are always on point. Lucy Fool was so disrespectful towards Nina she’s got read to filth and deserved
I love her too. She catches entirely too much shit . Nina is hilarious to me.
Depressed hero lmfao praise her 🕯️ 🧡
Lucy stool pities the fool
Nina is real.
She even praised Lucy's make-up...
It hurts when gay people act dumb.
I love the drag Nina gives, transphobia in any drag space should never ever be tolerated
Tbf, it's debatable whether it's transphobic or not to point out that bio queens and trans queens don't need to pad and can rely more on their bodies. Kylie and her are friends so I presume Kylie doesn't see Nina as transphobic for her opinions on her drag. And Nina obviously doesn't hate body reliant drag that much since she was willing to tour with Kylie, she just thinks it makes things easier on the illusion (or eliminates the need for illusion at all) that's all.
ETA: since she complains when any queen doesn't bother padding it's clearly not a trans/misogyny issue
@@MeeplandHeights I can’t speak for anyone else, but as a trans drag performer myself, it makes me uncomfortable when people comment about my body within a pageant or competition setting. In addition to the dysphoria it can cause, it takes the focus off the work you put into your outfit and performance and draw attention to something that might not be the thing you want people to notice about your drag.
As a general rule, since trans bodies are already so stigmatized, it’s hard not to separate that stigma from Nina’s comment whether she meant it that way or not.
Like you said, to some extent, transphobia is subjective, but there are legitimate reasons for trans people to feel uncomfortable with what she said. (I’m a fan of Nina by the way. I don’t think she’s purposely bigoted or whatever, but some of her statements about trans people are just plain incorrect and I wish trans people could correct her without being blocked.)
For all the content Nina has given us in the form of art, lipsyncs and controversies, she earned her spot in the history books of tomorrow.
Nina is so creative . It just heartbreaking that she get in her own way . I remember when she complained about the boulets not booking her again and having Bob as a guest on Dragula instead of an artist like herself .
Yeah, I mean, it makes sense. She brought tons of Drag Race fans to a Boulet show because they booked her. They said "we'd love to have you again" and never booked her again. It's a logical thing to be petty about.
Not to mention, her drag compared to Bob's is more fitting for Dragula. Don't forget, she criticized Trixie too.
I love how Nina has her own mind and doesn't go with the mass thinking.
You know, there’s actually so many people who believe what Nina believes. They’re just worried of what people will think or they’re scared they’re gonna get cancelled.
@@ChewyRocksandiscute yes
I love nina, she is unapologetic and honest. She might have controversial opinions but at least she is standing her ground. In the end how the fandom treats her is so hypocritical and shows how "accepting and not racist" people truly are :/
The fandom is very problematic as well. But I think you can stand your ground without having to act like they have, specially when it comes to things that you yourself start (by making comments), as opposed to simply reacting due to what someone said about you.
Love how you complain about how the fandom is racist, but you’re willing to look passed Nina being racist towards the Latino community
(Not that I’m saying the fandom isn’t racist, it most certainly is)
@@ellies.4781 Im not looking over anything, frankly i don't care really i just like nina and watch her occasionally
@@darcyflowers8771 you saying “frankly I don’t care really” is you literally looking over it
@@ellies.4781 Saying that i don't care because both sides act out. Nina getting bombarded with hate from valentinas community and being called a n* isn't much better.. So yeah leave if as it is and move on
Yes. Justice for Nina Bonina Brown. Also justice for ARTPOP.
Nina has never stopped shocking me with her prosthetic work. She definitely deserves her flowers. Also Acid Betty, Bob, and Kimchi should have been Top Three, enough said lol.
I personally really enjoyed Nina on season 9 and she was my pick to win. She was just genuine, hilarious and insanely creative. However, I agree that she has said some problematic things.
I used to follow her on Instagram and she uploaded a really awesome picture of herself with horror makeup. I commented “this is frightening” as it was, and she basically attacked me and a few of her followers joined in. I was like “whoa chill it’s still amazing, why are you so sensitive?” Art can be frightening and beautiful and as an artist myself it left a horrible taste in my mouth. I ended up blocking her just to stop getting so much hate from her fans.
However I still believe Nina is one of the most talented artists I’ve ever seen and her Panther look with Tiffany Pollard deserves to be on a magazine.
Nina is such a blessing and she deserves all the good things in life. I love the fact that she created her own space on her channel and that she can portray her talent in a way that is ideal for her. Now, when it comes to her blocking people, most of them actually deserve it. To be honest people try to stir the pot on her comment section and I appreciate her keeping it “sanitized” for us true Piggies. Finally and thing I love the most about Nina, is that she is relevant to this day and she’s starting to be actually respected by the fan base for being honest and 100% on her rawwvies despite other queens trying to bring her down. She’s a true queen in my eyes.
I gotta say, I've yet to see a take from Nina that warrants the drama that she gets from other queens.
Aquaria talks about Nina being bitter and being unprofessional yet she was so unprofessional on her season that it baffles me to this day that she got the crown. She was just jealous bc she hadn't been cast yet so she lashed out at Nina, cause god forbid a person with depression actually be depressed.
i remember season 9 being my first season that i’ve ever watched and loving nina so much and still to this day i feel like she has made such an impact to me and i’m not sure why she stood out to me so much but she did and i think she needs to be recognized for her talent so much more
Nina is def one of my favorite kind of artists. True creativity
I love Nina! Such a talented queen and always keeps it real. ❤️
I love Nina, one of the most unique and talented Queens to ever be on Drag Race imo and I was one of the fans that would vehemently defend her against the trolls. The thing that frustrates me about Nina, is that she says things she *knows* will be taken apart by the fans and when they come for her she makes a video saying people are too sensitive or that they’re attacking her cause she isn’t one of the “popular” Queens.
Even if you respectfully say “girl, that wasn’t right” or “I don’t think you should say xyz” she’ll call you a hater and get blocked. I’ve come to realise Nina will always be in her own way and she doesn’t want fans, she wants yes men. Anyway, I’ll continue to support her cause she’s what?…sickening. But that woe is me/poke the bear shit she does is late. Just my opinion…
What?
"Fans" attack her because she is not that "popular".
More "popular" queens get away with a lot more.
Just look at interview of Katya and Trixie.
C'mon!
She is amazing ....when I saw her for the first time. I was like wow her drag is on another level...she's creative as F
Nina is the drag race moment, the queen and the look.
I think Nina fails at being considerate sometimes. She can sometimes make bigoted statements and disguise them as "her opinion". Which is totally wrong but I never think Nina comes from a place of malice. A lot of her statements regarding drag and the trans community are ignorant. They just are.
In season 9, I have a half and half response. It was not the girls job to uplift Nina and from what was shown they tried to consistently. But the way the fandom and even production tried to play it off as Nina being negative or a downer. These were clear signs of depression. She would isolate herself from the group, and displayed paranoia.
What makes her comments ignorant ?
Her comments about Mexican people absolutely came from a place of malice, and if her transphobic comments didn’t, her doubling down without apologizing did come from that same place of malice
@@jeannedecembre4514 I think close-minded is a better term. I should've used that instead.
She says things that invalidate drag but will say "that's my opinion". Well, it was the other girl's opinion to say your drag was Halloween costumes and not polished. It still is invalidating your style of drag. I truly do not think her Gotmik comment was as bad as other people made it out to be. She consistently comes for girls and their lack of padding.
@@HeyLetsDoAThing ok let's be very clear. You are correct, that comment about the Mexican community did. It was dumb of her to group the entire community. But were you active on twitter or with the show when Valentina was eliminated? Nina was bullied PROFUSELY by valentina fans. I mean her comments were full of slurs, death threats, attacks all because VALENTINA DIDN'T KNOW THE WORDS! Her reaction was not justified but it is understandable. She is a human being with emotions and reactions and she was receiving so much hate.
Also regarding the transphobia topic I said she makes bigoted statements and disguises them as her opinion.
@@triasmchenry5742 “Valentina’s fans were mean to me so I decided to be malicious and racist” is not an excuse, nor a justifiable or understandable reason for her behavior.
She's so honest and has depth and that's what's missing in vh1 queens. I've been watching since season 2 and now that the show is so mainstream it's lost a lot of character. Nina is real, has good references, and I like the dry humor. I'm not huge into the same video games but I'll drop in some streams because she's entertaining. When I saw her in Boston she got mad I drove like 5 hours on the greyhound to see her 😂
Raja putting Nina’s face to “call her out” is like me taking the time out of my day to edit and put a picture of Donald trump on my pfp then say “I’m calling him out for being ignorant and disrespectful”
I started my Drag Race journey in the midst of Season 8, so Season 9 was basically my first regular season and seeing Nina in the promo... She was the first queen to absolutely blow my mind and be so inspirational for me. One of my all time favorites just for the creativity. I still have the drawing of her I did in my highschool math class because I just could not stop thinking about that look. Then, the season started and everything she was doing was so fun from the entrance, to the peach, to the moment during Untucked where she couldn't even sit up because she was cinched so much.
I usually talk about Nina's talent in a past tense because I just can't get past some of the things she's said. I'm just so disappointed that she's refused to grow as a person and apologize for the things she's said. She was one of my favorite queens of all time. And just for the record, I never liked Sharon and the other queens who demonstrated phobias and therefore never had anything to come to terms with there.
Shut up
Nina is definitely in my top 5 RPDR queens
I had the thought and here it is. Same day. I am truly blessed.
Currently binging all your videos. This is good stuff! ❤❤❤
No for real that melancholic cool for the summer was captivating
Binge watching your videos. Love your views and how you express them!
Thank you!
I’ve missed you. This is a routine part of my day
Nina is and FOREVER will be an ICON PERIOD.
She shows money doesn't buy you creativity and imagination
P E R I O D.
I really wish people would disassociate this thought that POC and black people are one in the same. Cause there's plenty of "POC" that still think like Raja and that they can tell a black person what to do and not to do politically and alot that still associate mostly with Caucasians. No hate to any group ijs.🙄
amen
Exactly, we’re not. A lot of Asian folks are racist, and anti-blackness runs rampant in their communities.
But of course, no one wants to talk about it LMAO
Btw, Caucasians live in Caucasus, you mean "white people". Either way people should stop using generalised labels made by eugenics masters and racist scientists centuries ago.
There are real ethnic groups and nationalities that have more meaning that better reflect what type of journey and history specific person had.
A black American will have different experiences than a person from Uganda or DRC. Similarly Spanish are different from for example Mexican people and generalising all light skinned people is narrowminded thing to do as well. Especially when looking at stuff like European history.
I actually love Nina the most. And I don't mind her "dark cloud" attitude or so she has named it. I have a couple friends with similar personalities and it's just how they are and once you know them, you end up loving that part of them.
i appreciate Nina’s talent. she’s amazingly talented and has amazing looks and i love her honesty around mental health and living at home not being anything bad.
that being said: the things she said about gottmik make me so fucking uncomfortable as a trans masc. she doesn’t know what parts he has and she doesn’t need to know because that’s not her business and as someone also in drag, i can’t feel comfortable actively supporting someone who would comment on my body and especially on my transness.
About to start the video- but gonna put out there I love Nina’s art and content. If someone disagrees with her actions and taste, I don’t think they should follow her or give her attention. But for people to go out of their way to condemn her on her own platforms…. stop
Transphobia should always be condemned
@@HeyLetsDoAThing It was an inappropriate bad joke a viewer made she read out loud? There is also a difference between making a transphobic comment and being transphobic. It's not black and white and overusing the word transphobia like that diminishes it's meaning and power. Maybe spend that time and energy attacking someone on actually helping trans people instead?
@@SlurpingRoach she chose to read the comment, laugh at it, and leave it in the edited video.
@@SlurpingRoach I can agree. Was Nina's comment toward Gottmik distasteful? In my opinion, yes but was it hateful? In my opinion, no. It's a comment that would be nothing out of range I would hear at a local comedy club. I'm going to try and pull an example. If someone I don't know well called me (I'm Latino) a beans and rice loving xyz at a comedy roast, I really wouldn't think anything of it. Is the joke distasteful? Sure but that person was trying to make a joke, not an attack on my character or self being and I can separate the two. Not everyone can. For some, it's triggering. It's a case by case situation with nuances, such as the person said above me. It is not simply not black and white.
@@SlurpingRoach I am accurately using the word transphobia to describe transphobia.
You are the one trying to lessen its meaning and power, by implying that it is being “overused” when it is being used accurately.
I found out about Nina from James St James transformations. The series mostly features girls after competing in drag race so I was intrigued who she was all about. Your video is put together really well. Good job!
Love the channel and evidence that you had to support. ! Love it just subscribed !
Nina is amazing. She is creative and smart. In all honestly, Nina beats a mug like no one else.
I love and hate Nina bonina controversial but also iconic brown 🤎🤣😜😈☠️
Oh wow. Going through your videos and I thought you have WAAAY more videos then you do.. all of them are great and I love them. But idk why I thought you had a bunch more on your Channel.
Love this video so much! 💖
i love nina so much, she inspired me to do drag, and overall be cosmetically creative