How Adrien and Marinette mirror each other
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- Hey Hotspotters!🐞💗 Welcome back to another video essay where this time I’ve analysed the yin and yang complex of Miraculous Ladybug, specifically: how Adrien and Marinette mirror each other. If you have any thoughts, feel free to comment them down below!
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
1:49 What does "mirroring" mean?
3:05 The complexity of the Love Square
3:55 Creation and Destruction
4:42 How Adrienette display affection
5:30 Chaos & Order, Order & Chaos
7:45 Adrien is emotionally mature, Marinette is immature
15:48 Offence and Defence
17:50 Avoiding Confrontation, Facing things head on
18:55 Marinette's arc: wanting control
19:22 Why Adrien is very direct compared to Marinette?
21:00 Marinette is sympathetic, Adrien is empathetic
23:40 Ladybug is Marinette's burden, Cat Noir is Adrien's escape
24:42 Summary
26:00 Outro
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This video was such a good analysis not just on the dynamic between the two, but their characters as well.
That scene in Malediktator is definitely iffy, especially if you take account on both sides of Marinette and Adrien. Marinette has been bullied for YEARS from Chloé, and seeing that her bully is now gone is like having a storm finally pass and see the sun again. Plus, remembering what happened in Queen Wasp, Chloé went too far by not only almost causing a train crash, but putting her parents at the risk of death! I don’t blame Marinette if that was the last straw for her. She gave her patience and chances time and time again, but putting her parents in danger and not exactly, in her eyes, be apologetic or not acknowledge what she did wrong, would be it for Marinette. I know Chloé has apologized to Ladybug, but that’s just it, she apologized to Ladybug, not including Marinette, because in Chloé’s eyes, they’re two different people and in her mind, she apologized to the hero, but not to the person who almost became a victim along with her parents. And that’s including the fact in the beginning of Malediktator, Chloé did a presentation on being a hero herself, which can come off as not acknowledging what she did wrong, and neglecting the near consequences of her actions. So I don’t blame Marinette if she would be happy that Chloé gone, which would mean both Paris and her family and herself are safe.
But at the same time, Adrien acknowledges that Chloé never exactly intended to hurt anyone, but rather was just neglectful of the consequences of her actions. Yes, Chloé is mean and selfish and she does acknowledge she hurts people, but is she doing it because she’s evil? No, she’s doing it both because she doesn’t have a healthy coping mechanism and because she doesn’t exactly see what the extent of her actions does impacts others. And Chloé leaving New York City and everyone else is just celebrating that she’s gone is off-putting, especially towards Adrien who is a childhood friend of Chloé and knows her more than others do. But what Adrien haven’t seen is how much of an impact Chloé have put because of her actions. For example, Adrien never saw how different Marinette was before they met. Marinette was more withdrawn, quiet, almost a pushover in fact, but when they met for the first time, she was more outgoing and confident, completely different than the previous episode of Origins. He never met that kind of Marinette. To him, he probably believes she’s always been a confident and outgoing girl who did have the capabilities to stand up to Chloé, but he doesn’t beforehand of Marinette before she get the Ladybug miraculous. It’s a matter of perspectives for Adrien that he needs to be told more to get more of the other side of the story.
Like you said, the scene was definitely off, and personally, I think it’s because I think it should have been expanded more, not just in this episode, but in multiple episodes in general. It would allow the two to grow as characters (Marinette learning to be more empathetic and Adrien learning to understand other sides of the stories). Not only it would have been a nice development on their characters, but their relationships as well.
And the same can be said for Lila. Yes, Marinette had the right idea to lecture Lila for lying about being friends (it is really dangerous), but her method could have been a little better, like not yell at her, or more specifically not in front of her crush or someone she’s trying to impress. It can be humiliating and I can understand Lila feeling hurt by that. And Adrien does acknowledge that it could have been handled a little differently, but he kinda fails to see how it could have affected the superhero lives. Hawk Moth could have take advantage of the situation (or any other crooks feeling threatened by the heroes), but Adrien kind of neglects that. I think it’s because to Adrien, he just sees that Lila is just trying to make friends and just went about it the wrong way, which could be true if not for season 3, and doesn’t see the big deal of Lila lying about knowing Ladybug because he probably dealt with something like that as an actual teen celebrity. He is going to deal with tabloids and gossips about him, and he learned to brush it off. What he fails to see, though, is how big of a deal is, which we could blame his father Gabriel for.
And in season 3, with Marinette’s actions towards Lila, I believe that it might be not just because Lila is yet another love rival, but because she’s scared of what Lila can do as a bully just like with Chloé. In the episode, Chameleon, Marinette was given the short end of the stick in favor of Lila, from being pushed to the back of the class without asking her opinion, to almost looking like a bad guy/bully to her own friends. And I don’t think she would blame them at all because they’re just being kind to a new girl who has illnesses and struggles, which she could understand if she haven’t already figured out Lila’s true nature. After all, Lila did steal a book that belonged to Adrien and his father, and never really gave it back to begin with, which raises red flags on Lila. So of course, to Marinette, she sees that her classmates are being taken advantage of and has to save them, especially if they might get akumatized from it.
Not to mention Lila is different from Chloé. Her classmates know Chloé isn’t the nicest person and is a bully, and while they didn’t stand up for her before, they have done more of that in the series. Lila, however, they are willing to help her even if it means (unintentionally) hurting Marinette, and they don’t really believe her when she tries to explain Lila’s true nature, chalking it up as jealousy. It could make her feel lonely and become scared she’ll be all alone to face Lila, similar to how Chloé bullies her. Not to mentions the strategies are different. While Chloé bullies Marinette and instills fear and control in others, Lila manipulates emotions and can find a way to make herself the victim and turn others against her attacker. She did that with Marinette, and that could probably be worse than being ignored and forced to fend for yourself. Because you’re being, in a way, attacked by your friends, and it’s not out of bullying or anything, but to protect someone. That can have a scary and traumatizing experience for Marinette, and considering how Lila is planning to hurt her and she knows it, and kind of had a preview of what could happen if Lila succeeds, it’s understandable for Marinette to be scared and want to stop her before she can.
But Adrien’s perspective goes a lot different than Marinette’s. In his perspective, he sees that Lila is another victim like Chloé or Kagami who needs someone to help her. He doesn’t really know her and isn’t jumping to conclusion as a person yet. It can be counted as similar as we don’t really know Lila that well, and we have seen glimpses of her home life where she’s alone a lot and probably just wants emotional connections, but we also saw how far Lila is willing to go with her plans, even if means hurting others. But Adrien doesn’t know all that until it was too late, and by then, he has to come up with a different strategy in order to handle Lila. Which could have been avoided if Marinette have been honest and upfront about Lila having threatened Marinette in the bathroom earlier.
And that’s actually another thing they mirror on, as civilians and superheroes. As superheroes, they can work together as a team, with some struggles here and there, but as civilians, it doesn’t exactly work all the time. Sure they did have their moments of working as a team as civilians (Guiltrip) but it’s not the same as being superheroes. But there are times they could have had arcs together (mainly in season 2 and 3) that could have had them learn to work together as their civilian selfs (which I blame the writers for missing those potentials). But similar to both their identities, they lack communications.
It’s something I wish the show writers could try to explore more on. We see a whole lot of dynamics between Ladybug and Cat Noir, and see how much they grow a lot throughout the show, but as Adrienette, it’s kind of slow and so far in-between. It makes me wish the show have gave the same attention as Ladynoir that they could give to Adrienette. There were even potentials I listed above that could have done that, but instead they decided not to do that. I know that’s like asking a lot, especially when those parts of the show were slice-of-life/monster of the week episodic, but I would have love to see the Adrienette development. And I’m not saying in a romantic tension, but as platonic in order to grow their relationships more dynamically and have them become a couple more meaningful, especially with their identity reveals.
I really loved how you analyzed their dynamics and how the two mirror each other. They’re like two pieces of a puzzle that can fit together, but needs a lot of polishing and crafting before they can fit together. Sorry I may have overanalyzed and rambled on my opinions, it probably gone off-topic, but your opinions on those certain moments were really good and I wanted to express my opinion on them. I’ll see you in the next video with my next comment essay.
I agree with everything you said. Well said.
I totally agree
I haven't read it yet but bro/sis how much it takes to write this much 😲
@@YN_DIARIES_24-7 Almost all day🤣 And it’s sis
@@elinasakura ok sis 😅😂
I JUST REALIZED! (You or somebody else probably said already) Marinette's love language is gift-giving and her creation power manifests itself as a gift to use when saving the day and Adrien's love language is touch and his destruction power manifests itself as an ability that can only be used through direct contact.
You could also see this mutual reflection of behavior very well in Psycomedian. While Marinette is the funny one with her clumsy ways of being herself, Adrien is reserved and more serious. The roles switch as they transform and reveal their other selves. Cat Noir is then the one who constantly cracks jokes while Ladybug acts very responsibly.
completely agree!
@@TheCartoonHotspot yep 😊
im glad we are finally admitting that marinette and adrien are just as bad as each other. one is not worse than the other. they both got issues, and that's ok!! doesn't mean we dislike them when we call them out for being wrong. like, yall call your friends and family out for being wrong! does that that mean you hate them? no! people in this fandom need to understand the difference between disliking a character, and criticizing them.
Right!!! They both have their flaws and they both have done some bad things, likewise they both have their amazing qualities! If Marinette is wrong, as a huge marinette stan, i will call her out on it- does that mean I hate her? No! Likewise I love Adrien so I’m gonna call him out too
agreed, they're just like the two sides of a coin🪙 neither one is perfect😁
@@TheCartoonHotspot I love both of ur channels
Ikr! Everyone seems to think Adrien is an angel and Marinette is a devil for some reason.
There’s something i’ve noticed about Marinette and Adrien being yin and yang. It’s honestly super simple, and probably really stupid. It’s about their looks.
Adrien is Yang, and is more dressed in white than dark. His hair is blonde, and his jacket is white. But in the yin and yang symbol there is a black dot in the light, and Adrien is wearing a black shirt.
And Marinette is yin, which is dark. She has dark hair and a dark jacket. But her shirt is white, and the yin part has a white dot in it.
It’s probably really stupid, but i think it’s kind of cool. I think it’s a cool way to show them mirroring each other, and the yin and yang part of them
Actually I kinda think they are both yin and yang but at different times. They switch when they switch personas.
@@ladyamberskye That could be! The point (i think) in yin and yang is that light also has a little dark in it, and dark has a little bit of light in it (:
Yeah. Also, try inverting their colors, you'd be in for a surprise.
I think my favourite way they mirror each other is comparing their reactions to a reveal in Chat Blanc and Ephemeral.
In Chat Blanc Adrien didn't hesitate to tell the love of his life how he was feeling but didn't think twice about the consequences of those said actions aka not telling her he knew until she was about to be akumatized. But we never got to see their Ladynoir dynamic before the break up, so we can assume once they both admitted to feeling the same way he became a more serious partner as Chat Noir as well as after he saved her from the akuma.
However in Ephemeral when Marinette finds out that Adrien is the partner she's been fighting alongside equally she felt conflicted (possibly cuz of Chat Blanc but it was shown poorly) and had to think for more than a few days about revealing herself because as we all know she is the planner. She planned her reveal out well because all she needed to do was get used to their dynamic as Ladynoir and thus she began to see the Chat in Adrien and vise versa. I think what she didn't account for though is showing her Ladybug side with Adrien before her reveal because she avoided him as Marinette but not as Ladybug.
So basically Marinette hides her feelings towards Adrien to protect herself from getting hurt so she feels inspired to express her feelings through gifts, whereas Adrien expresses his feelings openly constantly even when Ladybug has shown to still love another boy. They just express their love in different ways even if they fail.
Tbh the show has the potential to be much deeper than it is rn... not that it's bad and that it's not deep at all, but I think that if they weren't that restrained with the "it's for kids" rule that TV forces them to respect and if they focused more on character depth and development and less on the hero/vilain story, miraculous would be a much more enjoyable and entertaining show-- at least, for me, that is my opinion and mine only haha
I love your analyses and interpretations of the small details not everyone noticed about the characters, especially our favorite duo ! I hope you'll do more in the future ^^❤🐞🐾
Tbh there are many kids shows that have the same ratings as Miraculous Ladybug. The legend of korra is an excellent example and it explored so many deep and dark topics whilst occasionally having some lighthearted moments. The writing was impeccable. Miraculous has no excuse🤣 and thank you so much!💗💗 glad you enjoy them💞
@@TheCartoonHotspot legend of Korra was made for teens not kids so it could go into deeper issues that teens can understand but kids can’t. I wish Nickelodeon was able to keep it instead of Disney cuz of all that
Late but this is something I realized about Marinette
Despite having such loving parents, they don't seem to really /care/ about her. I dont mean this in the sense they don't care at all, but when it comes to when she was expelled by Lila- they didn't care to let her even try to clear her name. They didn't listen to her even when they knew she was innocent/wasn't a kid to do this. I feel this says how they handled things like her being bullied by Chloe for so long. They don't seem like they ever really tried to defend or protect her, and left her to feel she couldn't even speak up against it because of how they didn't act much for it. When she was accused of stealing by Chloe, she panicked and tried to level the playing field so she wouldn't feel like the only one being targeted as she's so used to that and it scared her clearly. Instead of being like "yeah my daughter can't be the only suspect here stop this", Tom just kept telling her to stop and making her feel bad for involving others, which kept stressing her out more.
Sure he defended her a bit as anyone should when its happening infront of him to see everything happen, but he also snapped to her instead of at least gently telling her how her accusing others wasn't very kind to do. And in the episode where she was expelled, she even TOLD him she and alya were going to try and prove her innocence and at least that she was framed, but he tried to make her give up completely on everything entirely- just become a baker, when he knows she wants to be a fashion designer too.
It made me realize that
Adrien has a father who isn't loving, but is overbearing and would try to at least put a bit of effort in helping him if something big like this were to happen to him (and he can't feed off of it ofc/isn't in control of the situation)
Marinette has parents who are loving but rather neglectful and somewhat if not entirely unwilling to aid their young daughter in the moments that truly matter, they give up quickly or avoid the issue entirely if its possible- at least Tom does as Sabine shows more fight. They possibly even tried teaching this behavior to mari aswell as she seemed to mimic this behavior until alya came around to give her confidence to stand up for herself.
They probably thought they were helping her learn patience and how to think before acting/not to lose her calm, but in result its caused Marinette to be a rather impulsive, paranoid, and panicky person. She can't handle not being in control because she's never HAD control before and it was awful for her without it. She can't handle the risk of confessing to Adrien because the thought of it being a risk too big for her to handle the consequences of terrifies her.
Adrien is empathetic because he's learnt to try and understand others because he knows pain can make people act out, and its also just his nature. He's had Natalie and the gorilla dude there to try and do little acts of kindness to show him that they do care, he's had times to breathe away from his father's actions because he's away so often, he speaks up and while it may not get much anywhere- he does get mild help in things (mainly from Natalie and now his friends)
Mari is only sympathetic because she's been pushed down and silenced so much/told to give up when things seem too tough that she's been unable to truly consider what pains her threats have been through. Even alya doesn't listen to her when it comes to Lila's cruelty and it shows to hold consequences to how Mari acts.
She probably feels like a scared, cornered little dog
While he probably feels like a well cared for, big dog who doesn't get petted/shown love
I never think about the way how Marinette parents act (mostly because when i watch the show I was a year older then her) but your so right, they teach her not fight for herself and when she do they shut her down. This is hard for her, and a really bad parenting.
True to what you said about Marinette trying to control everything and handle it all from a distance, in Strike Back (Spoiler Alert!) she admits that she tried to control everything and kept Chat at a distance, even if it meant lying to him, and every time he offered a helping hand, she never took it. Interestingly enough, the scene ends with Ladybug taking Chat's hand.
My Ladynoir senses are tingings
In the of the day we can all be glad theyre still meant to be 💘
Our endgame couple 💗
@@TheCartoonHotspot yeah I know 😊 😉 😌
Your analyses are always super in-depth, accurate and bring up some amazing points that I would've never considered before!
Thank you!💞💞
It’s so refreshing to see someone analyze these amazing characters objectively instead of judging them! They’re so complex and I love thinking of all of their parallels
Yea, the whole characters relationships (not just with Adrien and Marinette but between most of the other characters as well) reminds me a lot of Russian Silver Age literature, especially Dostoyevsky, where every character in the work is some sort of reflection of the other
Yesss!
I have thought for some time that the Kwamis also have a role to play in altering their personalities very slightly when they are transformed which adds to the mirroring layers.
Ladybug is the more reserved and calculating of Marinette's personas and Tikki is her voice of reason, while Cat Noir has definitely absorbed Plagg's more relaxed attitude to life and spends all his time trying to get Adrien to loosen up.
Plagg is also revealed to be responsible for keeping Tikkis impulses under control. Either from talking her down or just destroying her handiwork when she goes off the rails.
Master Fu seemed to only choose the pair of them based on their kind outlook and actions towards him, but he afterwards watched them closely to see if there was any sign of a bond forming. I can imagine if one of them had been indifferent or rejected the other he would have redid it with new prospects until there was a match.
I can’t wait to watch this! I love how their personalities and backgrounds are so different yet they’re still perfect for eachother and they both compliment eachother ❤️
Wow. That analysis was very spot on, no pun intended lol.
Very in-depth and well thought out. I really like how you accurately analyzed their characters and pointed out their flaws, strengths, differences and similarities. Well done! I also like how you pointed out how Adrien's parental neglect shaped him into who he is and helped him empathize with others, and how Marinette's bullying shaped her into who she is. Thank you for pointing out why they are the way that they are.
Adrien attacks physically and defends by talking while Marinette attacks by talking but by action she defends
They are so different yet so alike to each other?I love it
They complete each other
I just find Marinette cute, I dont get all the ones that bash her for not being the way they would like her to be.
I mean to be fair she does creepily stalk her crush for 4 seasons so it's kinda warranted😅
@@Jackie_mage I see no creepyness nor do I think stalking is a word worth using here.
You see Im the sort of guy who, if he was done to by a cute girl (no younger than 17) as Marinette does to Adrien, would just ask her to come sit next to me and talk so that I could get to know her (Living in a rural area it is not possible to stalk me without me noticing when we are literally the only 2 people in this entire forrest.)
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 so if she was not a cute girl, you would not be defending her? 💀
@@wellidontknow1941 Yea.
Your analysis are so good 😭 you're fair toward Marinette and Adrien, aknowledging both the characters qualities and flaws and appreciating them. I never thought about the fact that Marinette think with her heart as a civilian but with her mind as Ladybug, while Adrien is the opposite, thinking with his mind as civilian and with his heart as a hero, they do complete each so well it's no wonder they are "made for each other" 😄 and beside Chat Blanc and Ephemeral showed that things work perfectly between them when they are a couple, until Garbage Agreste comes and ruin things that is 😒.
And also thank you so much for saying that despite Marinette not suffering from the same abuse as Adrien, it doesn't invalid her own suffering. She was indeed a victim of bullying for years, and she probably had no close friend before Alya and Adrien, and it influences her character a lot the same way Adrien abusive home life influences him. So I always understood why Marinette was mean to character like Lila and Chloé when putting myself in Marinette's shoes.
Also thank you for saying there's nothing wrong about having fantasies about a boy ! Finally someone who doesn't find Marinette crush and behavior creepy
And thank you for saying Marinette/Ladybug is not responsible for the way Lila and Chloé act !! When will the rest of the fandom finally understand that ?
Marinette's parents are loving and supportive, but while Adrien keeping secrets doesn't change his already strained relationship with his father at all, Marinette is forced to lie to her parents and keep things from them, somehow creating a distance between her and her family, and that can be pretty painfull for a child to not being able to confide in your parents about things that weigh heavily on you. Both Marinette and Adrien can't seek comfort from their family, but for different reasons. Adrien is suffering from the abuse of his father and the forced responsabilities of this model life he doesn't want, and Marinette suffers from the huge responsabilities she has as Ladybug, and from people like Lila and Chloé who enjoy ruining her life, because bullying is also a form of abuse.
So Adrien's is so used to always hold back his emotions as a civilian that when he is Chat Noir he doesn't want to to stop himself from expressing his emotions, this says how much he loves her if he can't even stop himself from saying "I love you" despite knowing his feelings are ot returned 😅
FIRST OF ALL CAN WE GET A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR THIS ABSOLUTE QUEEN RIGHT HERE?!!?! Like girl, this is one of the best analysis I've seen in a loong time. Funnily enough the last one was from you too XD
I just love the way you see everything and the way you explain it. You speak FACTS. I am so so glad I found your channel istg it's so nice to have a non biased youtuber who doesn't bash the main characters as if they weren't human. I love that you see both sides and honestly, you're one of the few people in this fandom who aren't blind and biased. You did justice to both characters and you defence was ON POINT. Honestly there are so many complaints I have with the way this fandom brutally salts everything without seeing the entire picture, but your essay calmed me down completely. Seriously we need more people like you in this fandom.
I agree with everything you said, as usual. You brought up points I never would have thought of. Also I didn't know that people say that Lila is the way she is because of Marinette. Honestly I find the senti monster theory less crazy.
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Idc what anyone says abt the SHOW, abt how much potential they are wasting or whatever, Or how there toxic or whatever!...I JUST DON'T CARE....I LOVE THEM SO MUCH AND YOU CANT STOP ME FROM LOVING THEM
It is possible to acknowledge how certain character actions might've had negative effects without immediately assuming malicious intent
Part 2:
Cat Noir’s power is one of destruction, but what people forget is that it keeps Ladybug’s power balanced. For example, it was Plaag that was created to destroy Tikki’s creations if they got out of control. Cat Noir was the one who destroyed the giant (i am going to call it) pastry when it covered Earth.
Adrien self-destructs. Because if his sheltered home life, he became lonely. He also became self-efficient and independent which is also a commonality with Marinette. He is also smart and resourceful, but the people around him tend to knock him down and make him feel the opposite. Gabriel abuses him. Everyone treats Adrien as perfect when he isn’t. For some reason, his friends don’t hang out with him as much as they usually did which makes him lonelier.
Being Cat Noir brings himself up again. It allows him to be confident in his abilities and give him a sense of purpose.
I feel as the seasons progress, it seems when Adrien is up, Ladybug is down. If Ladybug doubts herself, it is Cat Noir that reassures her. If Ladybug is up, Cat Noir is down. It is like a strange energy conversance.
Season 4 shows that this balance is fading. Ladybug is on the top of the world and Cat Noir is on this downward spiral and no one notices, except Alya that one time.
I feel in order for Cat Noir to find his purpose and his balance again, he needs to separate from Ladybug because she is toxic.
Once she realizes how she caused her destruction as well as a few others along with getting consequences, than this balance and healthy dynamic will come back.
"We're attached to the characters."
Yep, I love the way this fandom is constantly complaining about the show, but we can't detach our eyes from it.
I think what I admire the most about Adrien/Cat noir is his patience. Sometimes he gets upset and it’s understandable
But he’s still a great character
I keep watching this show because...the love square and the excitement in each episode! Idk what I would do if miraculous ended
As a victim of bullying myself, I understand how Marinette feels and is "You don't get to hurt me if I hurt you first". In the origins episode, Marinette is pictured as a pushover, until Alya comes along. When I was bullied I was definitely a pushover, and bullies use the power they have over you to bully you. As I got older and went to high school, I sort of developed a defensive mechanism where I wasn't allowed to be hurt by anyone and before they did anything to me, I wouldn't give them power, and I can think of many instances where I lashed out when I didn't need to.
Marinette wants to take away Lila's (and possibly Chloe's) power before they can use it, which is completely understandable. She's not going to let them get the better of her, and acts irrationally before she can think of the best way to defuse a situation.
i dont know if this is on topic or not but in my opinion mari and adrien getting their miraculous had a differnt impact on their life for adrien we all know as u said it gave him freedom but in my opinion the miraculous gave mari a boost of confidence like u said she was a victum of bullying and she only managed to stand up to chloe after she became ladybug well u can say it was becuse of alya but to me through ladybug marinette relized she had a voice and deep inside she always was the strong person she always wanted to be but just didnt relized it yet.so becuse in the ep origins mari always saw herself as someone who wasnt new to dissasters
I completely agree with you!🥰💗
I absolutely adore your videos!! Thank you so much for looking at both characters equally! It’s really engaging and it makes me realize how much I still love this show
SUPER EXCITED!!
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I just discovered your videos, and I have to say I really like them! You have so much common sense and I love how you actually take the time to realize the characters' motivations and behaviours and how it all ties together instead if just hating on them and deeming them "bad", "selfish", or "unworthy". I also really like how you apply this to all the characters, and take the good with the bad that yes, sometimes they do make mistakes, but what's important is their intentions and what they learn from it. For example, I've seen so many people who hate Marinette/Ladybug who will eagerly list every single bad thing she's ever done to prove why she's a horrible person, but completely overlook the fact that in almost all of those cases she didn't mean to hurt anyone, realized what she did wrong and even apologized (which is more than I can say for some other characters). (Just pointing out that I have nothing against genuine constructive criticism, but what they do is not constructive criticism at all.)
Anyways, I look forward to you next vid and keep up the good work! 😄👍
Love your videos. Seriously the ammount of work and the extent of analysis as well as evaluation and the editing you put into it is incredible ❤️. I completely agree with you on everything. I really like how you go into details. You are so cool 😎.
Thank you!💖💖
Your theories get my mind of other things (my two bffs are having a bit of a fight) and your voice is SO calming!tysm for calming me down Queen!
Anytime! Take care luv💞💞💞
Loved your video, I did miss all of it, but it's okay I'm watching it now!!! Excited for your next video in 3 hours
Oh my gosh I love this video. There's something about your analysis, I swear. Not only do you clearly always have an interesting insight to offer, at least for me, you really know how to capture the viewer's attention as you speak. I don't know you personally, but I feel like it's safe to assume you have an interesting mind just based on what I'm watching. Great job TCH!!
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I'm so excited for the vid!!
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You always make lovely videos 💞😭
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Loved every second of it, and subscribed !
I am so excited for this video essay🥺🥺
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I love this video. Thank you so much for making it and I’m sorry if you felt pressured to. I recommend reading this tumble analysis I came across a while. I don’t remember what it’s called but it’s about how Lila and Adrien are Dark Mirrors of each other. If you type that in you should get results. I love your videos!!! Stay miraculous 😉
I’m glad you loved it! And no don’t worry! I didn’t feel pressured to💖 I’m happy I took my time with it otherwise it would’ve been poor quality. And thanks so much! I love reading tumblr essays💗
YASSS ANOTHER BANGER VIDEO ESSAY
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this is so good!! especially the point about adrien being so patient and compassionate because hes has all the empathy for gabriel :,(
4:30 another point that it’s surface level bad luck vs surface level good look. Is that marriette though being clumsy, falling a bunch, making disasters, so on she has the best home life. Her parents love her unconditionally and they give her the space she needs, she also is fortunate with great friends and teachers. Just a cool mirror of how Adrien is “fortunate” yet Marinette is the real fortunate one. And other way around too
This one might be a little long but I think it is important to share and especially under a video like this but I think the ships mirror each other a lot and I couldn’t understand exactly how until this video. The first discovery I made was that ladrien and marichat flip in a very interesting way because marichat is full of communication and not much emotion whereas ladrien on the other hand is packed with emotion and there’s not much communication involved but what I didn’t realize until today was I thought that adrienette and ladynoir we’re supposed to flip in the same way but they really don’t… it mirrors in a different way like as you said adrienette is full of Marinette who is clumsy and jokes all the time and Adrian who is reserved and mature but once it flips to ladynoir so does the dynamic chat noir is the one cracking jokes and being funny when ladybug is serious anxious, and cautious which I thought that was cool.
Can’t wait to see this😍
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I completely agree on your point of bullying.... I have suffered that
I’m so sorry you did🥺💗
@@TheCartoonHotspot It's ok 😊, I learnt from it...
I love you and your videos so much, you make me very happy 😆
15:46 i really like this part of explaining yin and yang of ladybug, chat noir, marri and adrien, i think it was a good explanation of how the this stated can be applied in and out of the mask
I love all you deep theories about MLB. Your theories helps to understand the show better, even tho it's a cartoon. 👍🤔⭐
I can't wait for your amazing!!! I'm been waiting for this ❤❤🥰🥰🐞🐞
Thank you Acherdeep!💞💞
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Awesome analysis ❤
This is amazing, thank you so much!
I saw someone say this (so I won't take credit for it) but it was about why whenever there's a reveal in Miraculous it all goes down to sh!t. Ex. in Chat Blanc or Ephemeral whenever ONLY ONE of them discovers the other's identity the world gets destroyed and it's because there's an imbalance, since they represent the Ying and Yang, one of them can't know the whole truth without the other one knowing, I also think they need to fall in love at the same time, equally, for both parts of each other, like the Ying and Yang, so there's balance, kinda like in Oblivio (where nothing terrible really happened) because it was at the same time
Just wanna say I enjoy your channel^^
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Marichat is my favorite in the love square because they are their true selves around each other not only loving one part of each other😅
I agree. Mari dosen't try and cover up her emotions with Cat and Cat dosen't play the playboy with Mari.
@@ladyamberskye Chat is so sweet to marinette🥰
Ahh yass I live for these analysis vids
(Claiming my « here before the video premieres » 🥳)
It’s amazing how they’re so alike but yet so different, like a perfect fit but they don’t know that yet
I wish they didn’t get rid of Marinette’s asian features, as an asian myself, WE WERE SO ROBBED ☹️ And the creators saying « we just want it to be the inverted version of Adrien » IS NOT AN EXCUSE 😭 They also didn’t have to give him those ugly orange shoes uhm 😭😭
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Yes it’s true, their actions affect each other as they do rely on each other. (You speak literal facts I LOVE YOU GEE
I loved your analysis on this and I agree with you!💗 and thank you😘
Yes! These are the creator's choices! They had put all these in the show for a REASON. Such as how you pointed out how Ladybug's suit is pretty simple and Chatnoir's is a bit more detailed was a choice that the creators had made purposefully.
I wonder in the future Seasons of Miraculous Ladybug that Marinett/Ladybug will learn that the boy (Adrien) that she secretly loves turn out to be Cat Noir all along without any time travel reverse like in Blanc Cat and Ephemeral .
hi gee, it's echo! v excited for this vid, you never miss!!
Hiii echo!!❤️❤️❤️
I think Chloé bullies Marinette since Kindergarten.
I totally agree with everything that you've said.
well written piece and well worth the month long wait before watching (darn mixed schedules of what was airing first where). I can tell why you wanted to include this in the "when x meets y" series because it really does follow the first 2 pieces well and I look forward to what will follow it in the series
it really is fascinating just how well suited the 2 characters are written to be and its just unfortunate that they havent been able to fully see the parts they like in the other's alter ego even if they wouldnt be able to experiment being a couple so long as Gabe is the holder of the Butterfly Miraculous
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Wow! I loved the way you analysed those small little things that we sometimes miss to notice. Like how Adrien/Chat noir always protects ladybug/Marinette impulsive-ly. I really wish I could see the things you see them
And in 19:16 you said that we sometimes have to take risks to grow and the reason Marinette doesn't get anywhere with Adrien is because she doesn't take risks and likes to play it safe. The same can be the reason for why she was able to defeat Shadow moth..... But in the finale episodes Risk and Strike.... Ladybug may take risks because of Risk and maybe that can cause the downfall of Shadow moth. That's a possibility, right?
Loved ur thoughts
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The creator revealed marinette was shy before the bullying but became even more shy due to the bullying
I’m so to see this video TCH 💖🤗❤️🐞
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Great insight. Its painfully clear who the favorite character is 😏
Who’s my favourite character?😉😏
So... I know their outfits literally mirror each other but I feel like they do so slightly more deeply too. For me their shoes mirror in a really cute way. Marinette wears flat shoes, sensible option. But they are also cute and coordinated and smart. Not entirely the image she projects all the time (certainly around Adrien).
Adrien has gone for bright orange trainers. In my opinion this is his rebellion. They are wild, out there, fun and expressive. Not the public image he projects (or is allowed to project).
I'm probably way over reaching, but I quite enjoy that thought.
lila makes my a$$ itch.
She’s so annoying🤣🤣🤣
I knew that Ladybug's suit being fair and simple was probably because Marinette never wanted to be a hero in the first place, thank you for confirming it 😃 and since the Miraculous costumes come from the desires and imagination of the wielders (like the virtual avatars in Code Lyoko 😁) if I'm not wrong, it's logical the magic takes Marinette mindset for her superhero form. And ladybug's role and responsabilities became a burden weighting more and more with time, so Marinette costume never changed in consequences, expect when started creating the magical charms for some reasons 🤔
Maybe Chloe's behavior will change when she realizes that her half-sister is the new holder of the bee miraculous in Penalteam who gave her an embracing sisterly hug despite Chloe throwing a nerve at her, and when she's in a relationship with Luka when she founds out that he and Juleka are the son and daughter and Jagged Stone and will gain a new respect for Jules upon that realization when it happens and Luka can help Chloe moved pass that whole Ice Queen act to be a better person since they would probably know the feeling about being abandoned by a parent as a child, well technically Luka and his sister weren't born yet when Jagged left and Chloe was already born and little when her mom did but you get what I'm saying and coming from with this
How sweet he is :(
I gotta love Adrien as a character!!
I'm not joking, but if you look closely at Marinette and Adrien's clothing, you can see that it represents Yin and Yang. Marinette has a white shirt and a black jacket on top hence Yin. Adrien has a black shirt and a white jacket on top because he is represented as Yang.
I just wanted to add:
Adrien is always hungry
Marinette is the daughter of a baker
I can see what U meant at 24:28 won't let me time stamp but anyways cause U see as the series progressed especially into the 4-5 season when she got her lucky charm her suit got much more detail bcas she was living what she was doing
This Is Exactly What I'm Trying to Explain To Ppl, Everything That Happens Outside The Lovesquare Will Affect The Lovesquare Like ON A BIG IMPACT. For Example, If Adrien Is A Sentimonster, Thats Gonna Change Everything In The Lovesquare. The Whol show Depends On The Lovesquare. bruh
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13:01 and people still blame Mari for this
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A really in depth and detailed analysis
While i personally dont ship the love square at all since it kinda drags on and feels a bit forced i can certainly see why people love it so much and why people really love the idea of it
I think because of the offense and defense, fighting a super villain is herder cause Cat Noir isn't there to protect Ladybug
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Risk also showed what was teased For adrinette to Reise ladynoir has to fall
empathizing doesn't mean you care about the person or bother to connect and you can still bother to connect and care without carying on absorbing others emotions so like empathy isn't compassion or love there is also two types of empathy or at least most commonly known empathy congetive empathy seeing others view points and point of view affective empathy which can also be called emotional empathy feeling and sharing others emotions and implusivity is good when it leads to creativity bravery and imporvising its only bad when it leads to reckless and fool hardly behavior being impatient and irrational plus illogical implusivity gets needs to be controlled
can you make a video about adrien being a sentimonster
Coming tomorrow!
You might not noticed this but she sad that she's having a head akk
She’s his strength in adrienette hes. Her strength in ladynoir
Many people also ignore that at this point maribette woukd Not change being ladybug
I'll say it a billion times if I have to, they shouldn't get together it's unhealthy for the both of them, Adrian needs proper therapy and a more healthy friend group, and Marinette needs something to de-stress, she'd be better off with Luka if anyone at all, same with Adrian, they are better off with different people or better off single for Adrian's case
@@fresnelbiteu5052 you make a fair point with luka and Marinette
But I also didn't say anything about Kagami being with Adrien or Marinette but yeah, she deserves better then Adrien and Marinette
Can anyone send his discord link
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This might be confusing but is Marinette responsible for ladybug's actions?
Yes!
Maybe we'll get to know Lila more when she's the new holder of the Peacock Miraculous and co-working with Felix since we've seen that her mom isn't always around for her because of her embassador job and maybe her dad didn't want her and was quick to reject and neglect her and probably walked out on them before they moved to Paris and perhaps she tried to nice and honest like Marinette is now but but nobody noticed her and she let that get to her and then one day she realized she could obtain people's attentions by coming up with false stories and rumors to as a way to guide her and survive the world by herself maybe she doesn't like to lie but she probably has to rely on it
Ying and Yang answers. Sorry of some of it is repetitive. Writing this before watching
The me that is angry with the show: one is nice (adrien). One is mean. (Marinette)
The obvious me: marinette is creation. Adrien is destruction.
Now the analysis time.
With Marinette, she is perfect (as we saw in other videos) for the ladybug miraculous because of her power to create and invent. She is resourceful and relies on her brain power to solve any problem. Through the previous seasons, it was her that inspired change and created good dynamics.
Adrien as Cat Noir comes around and he is responsible for some destruction (more in that in my next comment post). All in all, it was Marinette that had to pick up the pieces sometimes so in that regard, I can understand some of her anger or maybe resentment to Cat Noir because she hates picking up after him whether it was literal or figurative.
Ok I can get behind that.
The part I cannot get mind is seasin 4 Marinette. Talk about character assignation. What this version of Marinette never understood, even sometimes in previous seasons, that she causes her own destruction or destruction of others. The writers do not give her consequences, at least ones that matter. Like Chloe, intentionally or unintentionally, she caused some akumitizations but she never tried making up for it or trying to make amends unless it was those stupid half-baked apologies.
In season 4, also unintentionally or intentionally, she destroys her partnership with Cat Noir while creating new ones, especially with Alya. Each thing she does or says causes more of Adrien’s low self-esteem and his doubt in her.
No I am not trying to say she needs to hold his hand or be his comfort animal, but her words and actions hurt, and she does not pay attention to that.
Yes, these two need communication and yes Cat Noir has imperfect timing sometimes, but in my eyes, every time he tries to talk to her or suggest ideas, she goes “no that’s stupid. Listen to me”. Not in these exact words, but they feel that way a lot so no winder he feels he cannot talk to her. This is the destruction she causes.
Her power and mind creates, but her words and actions destroy which is interesting.
I am in the middle with Marinette being mean to Chloe and Lila.
No, she should not have to be nice to her bullies. She stands up for herself and her friends.
I just don’t think humiliation is the answer. In Queen Banana, all she and Zoe did as their alter egos was talk smack about Chloe and humiliate her in front of everyone. I am not justifying Chloe’s actions. She needs to stop, but I still feel Chloe gets more consequences than Marinette and Ladybug sometimes.
Lila lies through her teeth and I hope more will figure out her act. I hate what Lila does, but at the time, her hanging out with Adrien did no harm. She told a white lie. Again, not justifying it, but I feel Ladybug should have taken the Spiderman route where he hires someone to wear a costume while he arrives as Peter Parker so Marinette can explain how she is friends with Ladybug and can answer some questions and how Ladybug can calmly talk to Lila away from Adrien.
Will Lila still overact? Maybe. But I think she would not feel so humiliated.
While I do agree that she apologized to Lila (fine), but she still has not stopped planning an attack on Lila and letting things be. My problem with the show is she is hypocritical especially when she does not think things through. I get protecting her friends, but her issues with Lila started because she was hanging with Adrien. It was not because she was lying at first, but another girl is stepping in on her man. She was really possessive which is not good in a friendship or relationship.
She didn’t even know Lila yet when she started hating her. Also, she did not trust her fiends enough to form their own opinions.
Standing up for herself is great. Don’t let me people take you for granted. I just want her to acknowledge and learn from her actions.
I hate her hypocrisy throughout the show which is the fault of the writers, not her. But because the writers wrote a character, it brings out my hatred of the character.
I wholeheartedly agree. Ladybug's job is to protect the innocent not punish the guilty. She judged Lila and hated her before she even got to know her. I know she apologized, which would be fine, if not for the fact that she never learns from that lesson. She did the same thing with Kagami, but worse because she actively teamed up with Chloe to bully her. I know she apologized and they're friends now, but she clearly never learns from her lessons.
@@cosplayerqueen9878 i felt so bad for Kagami. She dis nothing wrong. All she did after Frozer was try to make friends and to me personally, Marinette and her friends treat her as a disease. I know Adrien did not treat her well in Lies, but at least he treated her like a person. The timing sucked. That’s all.
I picture a storyline where she runs into Max, thanks to an old friend of hers, and he leads her to Nathaniel and Marc so they all can work on the comic book together. And also later Lukagami. Anyways, i want her to have friends that care about and respect her.
I do agree. Apologizing is fine if a) you mean it and b) you learn from it and change your actions in the future.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 Yes! I love the idea of Kagami sketching in the park one day and Nathaniel and Marc see her and recruit her to draw in their comic book. This would cause her to be integrated into the group, meet Luka through Juleka, and eventually make up and become friends with Adrien again. Luka can teach her how to chill out and make friends, and she can teach him how to stick up for himself and grow a bit more of a backbone.
@@cosplayerqueen9878 yes. Exactly!