Brazilian Ronaldo or Cristiano Ronaldo? | ESPN FC Extra Time
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- On this edition of ESPN FC Extra Time, the crew discuss:
0:00 What does Joao Felix need to do to take the next step?
1:27 Did Isco waste his time at Real Madrid?
2:32 Why does Ale think Brazilian Ronaldo is better than Cristiano Ronaldo?
5:02 Did Ale ever consider playing for Liga MX?
6:58 Tough playing a manger's system?
8:22 What is the current game lacking?
12:04 When was the moment you realized pro career over?
13:55 Favorite summer drink
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R9 was the greatest. He was the pinnacle of what a striker should be - speed, skill, strength and smile. He was awe inspiring to watch.
Most lethal player ever. He is Michael Jordan, tiger woods unstoppable in their primes
15 champions leage goals 😅😅 R9 was a joke
I am a huge Messi fan but this shouldn’t be a comparison, no one cares “ at his best” I could just say at his best neymar is also up there. CR7 has proven it time and time again what else does he need to prove?
Neymar at his best is Neymar at best!
Neymar is better than Cristiano ever was. You guys don't know the sport.
"Some people SUGGESTED injuries played a role...."
Is Ale suggesting blowing out BOTH knees didn't affect him as much as partying?
R9 any given day
@@emmanuelenyinwa1443 you really cringy boy !!!
I would choose cr7 anyday. This guy respects his job more than anyone for 20yrs. Pure dedication and playing at same level and always wants to be the best. This mindset is really amazing.
Rubbish
cr7 has not sang a worldcup national anthem let alone gold olympics medal..dont forget there is another level above copa america and euros league..its called WORLDClASS..
Are you insane? I would choose Ronaldo R9 over CR7 on any given day!!!!
Are you insane? I would choose Ronaldo R9 over CR7 on any given day!!!!
@@chuchisbahena3134 same r9 never ever be the top scorer of ucl single time and never won ucl in his life. Every trophy is respectable and tough to win. Remeber that.
I understand where Ale os cominf from in a sense of completeness, i always say it, Cr7 is a player with attributes to his game, so as a result he has multiple primes, so does messi. R9 has one prime and was complete, R9 did evolve his game to counteract his weakness but not like Cr7, so while R9 had one prime where his dribbling, passing explosiveness strength close control and speed was best in the world, Cr7 had multple primes, so from 2006~2009 was one Cr7 primes, in this prime he was an electric wide midfielder who could do everything, he was adding goalscoring and a lot of end product to his ability to beat players and dribble and his physique, then you have 2012~ early 2015 where ronaldo was at his true peak as a player as a dribbler, goalscorer, ball passer, attacking movement superb, his ability to beat 3-4 players his skills, freekick penalties so on( even though his freekick drop from late 2014 onwards). Cr7 3rd prime was his prime as a Goalscorer, this is from 2016~2018, in these years Cr7 was at his peak goalscoring wise,all of his goalscoring attributes he had before and all the scoring ability he was developing for the past 12 years, ronaldo would now use that to compensate for his injuries sustained in 2014, so this is where you see ronaldo constantly score a variety of goals, headed goals, left foot right foot, penalties, beating players to score( less players though) he even started to score more pocher goals etc. My point is while Cr7 had many primes with his attribute, R9 had one encompassing one where he was complete, but if i were to pick i still would go Cr7.
I couldn't agree more the problem is most people conveniently only remember ronaldo's third pride where he's a striker, pocher and not nearly as skillful as previous seasons. But cr7 a his prime 2010-2015 was arguably the greatest player ever.
Agree 🤝🫡
Very well written!!
@@shevonbailey4478 in 2015, he was just slightly recovered from tendonosis, and he got a red card in the season after reaching 20 goals i think by november, given that it was a 3-4 match ban, ronaldo scored 48 goals in 35 games along with 16 assist excluding in UCL where he equaled neymar and messi for top scorer. The reason why 48 in 35 is so incredible for Cr7 because its practically him equalling messi's 50 goals in 37 la liga outings, but he didnt equal it because he didnt score 50 goals, that was the greatness of it, he basically had close to messi's output in the 2011-2012 season but just didnt get the record, this was messis prime season as a goal scorer and thos was ronaldo after he was injured and saw his playstyle slowly reduced, it was just shy i think only thing messi had a few more of was assist, 2015 was a very underrated year for ronaldo because he didnt win any title.
Lets look at the year before the injury. Ronaldo got 51 goals, 17 in ucl with 17 assist in the league, 5 in ucl, counting the goal and assist for 2013- 2014 in all competition, this a goal/assist every 59 minutes, this season was valued more because ronaldo was more of a beautiful more creative player.
I say this to say that while yes ronaldo had to evolve as a player, credit should be given for his general out put, to be able to move so well on the field that you can score so much and in so much ways, and still assist a lot while beating out the average and stats, phenomenal
@@jakobkristensen9445 thank you guys for the response btw, i was thinking about that topic before it came up on espn fc, so i had tought about it at the time
To be honest. It's cr7. There is an emotional connection to Brazilian Ronaldo but cr7 has more goals, better goal per game average, more trophies and he's been doing it forever.
How about international???
Begging for penalties just to keep your numbers up is ugly.... it's what's turned me off CR7 his younger days I really liked him but even then... nowhere near the levels Brazilian Ronaldo and Ronaldinho could hit
@@RS__7 Brazilians are still the best
@@RS__7 Zero logic just vibes and speculation. Why don't we dwell in reality and accept what actually IS. What we've seen is their level. Injuries, discipline, and longevity are all a part of football. If a footballer can't overcome their challenges, then they should be held accountable for that. CR7 has overcome his. That's the difference. Take away his penalties if you'd like, he still has better numbers than R9.
@@saravanannagayah6492 Yes..they're not mechanical stat chasers they enjoy life and that's the reason they were so good... I've never seen CR7 hit the heights that Brazilian Ronaldo and Ronaldinho hit during a match..at their absolute best they were unplayable and they won what mattered the world cup
Everything these pundits are saying about R9, CR7 did it all and so much more and I'm saying this as someone who has watched them both. R9 was amazing but CR7 is better and they're talking about prime when CR7 top, top prime lasted more than a decade and not to mention CR7 had different levels of prime each year better than the last. CR7 is the most hated and disrespected football player in history and the hate and disrespect he gets comes from a place of jealousy and stupidity, smfh
My man
CR7 isn't as talented as R9 was. It's just that simple
Beautifully put Couldn't have word it better.
Someone had to say it and that guy that said that Ronald didn’t have talent your dumb. R9 was a beast but his talent lasted so little amount of time.
Ronaldo on his prime was more fearful than CR7, simply because he was a more complete player. We’re not talking career wise, we’re talking about both man at his absolute best. If you say CR7 was better on his best, than Ronaldo, then…. You clearly didn’t see Ronaldo. It’s as simple as that.
How can you guys judge player just by his prime...?? Who knows R9 would have great career as like cr7 without injury??... being good in prime is one thing but being consistent for 15 yrs It's not easy 💯 ... It's disrespectful to great career Cristiano has 😒
Spoken like some who didn’t see R9 in his prime
Because their comparing who was the better player.
Totally agree. Same goes with Ronaldinho, I dont understand the hype around him. I loved watching him with Barca, but he was at his best for a mere 2-3 years.
@@syedmorsaleen1800 so what? Stop pretending that the longevity makes you a more skillful player. That doesn't make any sense.
@@jelel9698 no it doesn't make you more skillful player, but to score 800+ goals you need all - talent, hard work, physicality, consistency, fitness, motivation and above all passion for the game. Longevity matters to have a better career. CR7 compromised his lifestyles to become more successful. I dont need to remind you R9 and Ronaldinho's night life, do I ?
How do we know r9 would have been the goat, if not for his injuries, there are no guarantees in football,which is why we have to respect Cr7 and messi for what they have done for the last 15+ years
Ale's argument is valid about the Brazilian Ronaldo's skillset. But I don't think anyone has argued that Cristiano was the most breathtaking player to watch. It's always been about his goalscoring efficiency.
Cristiano Ronaldo is a machine. Messi and Ronaldo have put up astronomical numbers that we haven't seen in over 40 years at least. An average year for Cristiano at Real was better than the Brazilian Ronaldo's best year. Even if you correct for how the sport has changed in the last 20 years, he's still way ahead.
I think the Brazilian Ronaldo was a better overall player maybe at best, but if I had to bet on one of those two to score a goal to win a game, the odds on favourite would be Cristiano.
I disagree, his numbers are affected by his injuries. If I was choosing someone on the biggest stage to win a game, it is Real Ronaldo
Ronaldo has always been beautiful to watch, it’s just been the last 5 years whereas he has shifted to efficiency. any prem supporter from 2003-2009 can tell you cristiano was the most beautiful player to watch at the time
Go watch 2008-2009 Ronaldo
@@leoguarknight1588 Are injuries not a part of the game? CR7 got an injury that made him have to adapt to not being able to dribble as efficiently as he used to and he still put up incredible numbers.
@@leoguarknight1588 Even in his pre-injury days at PSV, Barca or early at Inter, he was never to close having Cristiano numbers.
You could argue that those years were not his prime because he was still very young at the time, but his entire prime was ravaged by injuries and we never saw him play that well again.
There is no evidence to suggest that he was ever better than Cristiano.
The right answer based on feelings: Ronaldo Nazario.
The actual answer that is a fact: CR7 and it's not even close. And I say that as a Messi fanboy.
You have no idea what you’re talking about . Ronaldo Nazario is iconic! He is not just about goals
You didn't watch R9 obviously
@@jean-philippeloiseau5949First, thanks for proving me wrong by clearly answering with your feelings. And second, I'm old enough to remember watching him play. You can say that he was more talented than CR7, but being talented alone is not enough.
If daff was a person
How can you compare the immortal to r7
🤦🏽♀️
R9 is better than Messi
R9 for the moments of greatness, but CR7 does have the longevity argument on his side.
He like R9 because of his amazing skills not stats and achievements because stats and achievement CR7 is clear by a million miles
Cr7 has a ton of moments of greatness.
R9 won a world cup, CR7 don't. End of story! He won the 2002 FIFA World Cup, starring in a front three with Ronaldinho and Rivaldo. He scored twice in the final and received the Golden Boot as the tournament's top goalscorer.
Where is his cl plzz , R9 is overrated jus as Pele an Maradona
The chasing stats thing turned me off CR7 he become too mechanic desperate to score every penalty he could just for the numbers...it's ugly.... Brazilian Ronaldo and Ronaldinho never chased stats in that obsessive ego driven way.... they would just turn up when it mattered most and destroy the opponents. At their absolute best Brazilian Ronaldo and Ronaldinho were unplayable
Its just emotional connection and ifs and buts when it comes to R9 CR7 has numbers and trophies on his side
This is a problem of this generation. Who is the better player has more to do with just stats. David ginola was a tremendous player in his day but by your logic Salah is better than him. I'd never spend money to see salah over ginola.
I don't know if you believe in God or love. You can't measure it. But you know it when you see it. Football is a similar emotion and that's why it's special. I don't understand when stats came to all this. Football used to be about the team.
@@kellbagz563 I am a big fan of R9, but I have become even bigger fan of CR7. Cristiano's dedication, longevity and consistency has become the gold standard of this game. We talk about being in the prime, R9's prime was very short but look at CR7, he and messi have been on top of their games for 10+ years.
@@syedmorsaleen1800 the question is who is the better player. At their best R9 was better, I'd even say Ronaldinho was better with how those players single handedly dominated games on their own. Yes Ronaldo is a great player but he's very reliant on other players being at a certain quality. I've never seen a game and thought Ronaldo was playing a different level of football. He plays a a high level consistently and that will be emulated by is footballing offspring (mbappe).
@@kellbagz563 with your logic of "at their best" we can bring countless numbers of players into the mix. To determine who is better, you need to look at what they have achieved in their career as a whole. Agree, at their best CR7 is inferior to both, but he has achieved significantly more.
lol from Ale: "Imagine Messi with strength, power, dynamic movement, where defenders come to challenge in tight spaces and they don't even stand a chance"
Me: ...............so, prime Messi?
Check the stats.
They’re both amazing but the best player of all time Is Harry Maguire by a distance
You are one of those bully ppl in internate. I'm sure you haven't any talent.
At 37 R9 was already retired while CR7 still producing bangers in the hardest league in the world that's not even a debate 🇵🇹
But cristiano has never done anything in the world cup. Cristiano has the longevity but he has always been pretty average when it comes to big games.
Foolishness
@Rohan Chatterjee Okay you can say that but he has actually had good performances in the ucl despite not winning it. Cristiano you could argue has had one or two good world cup games his entire career.
Ronaldo Nazario - great for 2-3 years. CR7 great for 15+ years. No contest.
Who have won the world cup?
Prime R9 was better than prime CR7 but CR7 is better overall by far because of how long he did it
@@DJ-qc1zu Benjamin mendy won the World Cup too so what’s your point?
@@DJ-qc1zu In that case, Sami Khedira is even better. He won both the CL and the WC.
@@DJ-qc1zu Giroud vs Messi
who won the world cup between the two?
your logic is terrible
Cristiano transformed an average RM team (which failed to make it past R16 for 6 consecutive seasons) to a team which won UCL 4 times out of 5 seasons. I mean the guy is a freaking Alien. R9 was amazing, but frankly there is no comparison between the two.
He needed Bale signing .
Cristiano transformed nothing.. Real Madrid brought the new Galacticos starting in 2009 with him, Kaka, Xabi Alonso, Benzema then bought Bale, Di Maria, Modric, Kroos etc etc (they also had Marcelo, Ramos, Casillas etc) and and the best coaches (Mourinho, Ancelotti) to even reach a UCL final 5 years after Ronaldo was signed. A final that they almost lost but got saved in the last seconds by their leader's (Ramos) game saving goal in the literal last seconds of the game.
So yeah of course Crstiano had a huge impact on their success but did not transformed anything by his own, Madrid built superteams and they had to win some UCLs after all of that. At the end of the day they already had 9 UCLs by the time he got there, they were already the most successful club ever.
And they still win UCLs and La Ligas without him. Actually since he left they won 2 La Ligas in 4 years, the same amount they won with him there in 9 years.
NO DISRESPECT TO ANY FOOTBALLER PAST OR PRESENT BRAZILIAN RONALDO WAS UNREAL
Maradona says "Hold my beer R9"....
@@thebat7048 🤣
Well if i could pick Ronaldo before injury i would pick Ronaldo,there will never be anything similar to Ronaldo,he was monster before injury,most complete striker ever to step on the pitch,right,left,dribling out of this world,speed,his first step was out of this world also,unbelivable. He and Messi are only two players who are able to go straight for the goal no matter how far are they from the goal,he could dribble two,three,four,five players and scored a goal,he went in Italy and he was playing with those players,Seria A was nightmare back than,every tackle was injury,just look how they played agains him,brutal. Season with Barcelona was epic and he was 21 i think,imagine him with Mesi,Iniesta and Xavi in the team,he could score a hundred goals in a year,best finisher ever,or imagine him in Real with Modrić,Kroos,Ozil,Di Maria. I have total respect for Cristiano but Ronaldo was joy to watch. Iam gone a reapet again,no one was able to took the ball from the center of field and go direct for goal,just he and Messi. Kaka also had that ability sometimes.
@Rohan Chatterjee
Lol....no need for cynicism. He was overweight as many saw. As far as R9's impact is on the field...no one comes close. Many opine that Messi can attack 5 6 7 players towards goal. I've only Messi play in the Spanish league and now the French league. The latter shows a very poor showing. The stats are there for all to see ; if one has to go by Ballon Dor ; take into account tht this is a vote and is not as accurate as it should be. Hence , 2 players split only by Modric in the last 12 years????.
Messi? Messi never did anything anywhere besides Barca ! He was lucky to have world champion Spain national team on his side at Barca in Busquets, Xavi, iniesta ! And always played with the best forwards Ronaldinho, Suarez, Eto, David Vila…Neymar and now Mbappe !
@@Leo-Bassmentreading this after Messi carried Argentina to the world cup brings a smile to my face.
Why is Cristiano Ronaldo not appreciated by ex-players? From 2007 to 2015 he was amazing and as he gets older he changed his game to a goal machine and even at 36 he is doing it in the premier league. How on earth is R9 better than Cristiano Ronaldo?
These clowns are very disrespectful...smh
Because football is not the same. Offensive players have more freedom and luxury nowadays and is also protected by the referees. Back in the 80s and 90s, 2 footed challenges were deemed as yellow card offences, they would only give cards if they were serious fouls and the players would not get the ticky tack penalties as they get today.
Jealousy is the word
CR7 and Messi is another level, this is no comparison
CR7 and Messi are nothing compared to the real Ronaldo. the real Ronaldo had everything, but everything a player can have and he played in much tougher generation where winning ballon 'd or was not easy like in Messi and CR7 generation or time!
Oh how about Pele! He stayed on top for about 20 years 😂
@@gilfernando7623 what u mean by the real Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo isn't real? U could have say Brazilian ronaldo
When they have nothing to talk 😂😂
Absolutely right
Uhh they are answering twitter questions so its not that they have nothing to talk about
Why don't they talk about their Messi vs R9 then
@@wishteko i know but reputation is boring. The same comparison so many times.
@@mebrahtomgebremeskel5307 Thats what extra time is based on tho
I love both and can appreciate both but I have more respect towards CR7
People overhype Nazario. People conflate immense talent with being a great player or the better player. There's a bunch of super talented players that aren't as well remembered. And yes, I did see R9 playing. But good lord 90% of football discussions are stupid and biased.
People just say that to feel a superiority complex. “Oh you didn’t watch him because in my days we had proper players and this generation is overrated”
@@simonppp Yeah you're probably right. Or "I like this player that 'real fans' enjoy, so by proxy I must a lot about football and have an eye for talent" or whatever.
Also, football forgets a lot of it's stars. History is written by the present, not the past. Eusebio was heralded as just a big a player as Pele back in the day, and nobody knows him now, aside from FIFA. Football history is not objective. People think it is though.
I think if you’re old enough to have actually seen R9 at the time, live, you’re not gonna pick many players above him!
CR7 isnt many players
@@zainmulaudzi7250 how old are you?
I’m one of those that watched and praised R9 as the greatest ever during his prime. However, after experiencing CR7, Cristiano wears the crown!
Ronaldo is superior, now and always unfortunately for Cristiano. His ability is just greater it is without doubt he is a more talented player. He was injury prone.
@@zainmulaudzi7250 including CR7
“A Messi with strength, power, dynamic ability”. Literally just described the GOAT, Cristiano!
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA somebody tell this guy
Ammm nope, CR7 never had the skills of the likes of Messi, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Maradona… etc. Not even on his prime. He’s strong, he certainly ran fast. But he wasn’t anything special with the ball, passing or dribbling wise.
@@nathangarcia7679 lmao now go to the mirror and pretend you believe that.
@@nathangarcia7679 thanks for making me not waste my time lmaoo
@@cuma4893 deluded
Ale gets a question about cr7 and Ronaldo
Ale: finds some way to mention Messi 😂
I would argue TO never really reached his prime. Those injuries destroyed his knees and forced him to change his style way too early in his career. I mean see what he was doing in his 1st year at Barca...his 1st balon d'or at that young age (that definitely wasn't his prime). And he still won another when he was in decline.
Why is this even a debate? CR7 is ahead by a mile and those who say R9 was destroyed by injuries, forget how Cristiano too had a knee injury (2014) , changed his playing style and managed to stay relevant for more than a decade now. The only people who say R9 is better are nostalgia stricken fan boys.
You didn't watch Brazilian Ronaldo
@@michaelkabanje3202 if r9 is better than cr7 then Maradona is miles ahead of messi
CR7 is great no doubt, but R9 is the goat.
@@Messilover462why are u bringing messi and Maradona in to this debate?😆
This is exactly why I can't have a convo with CR7 fans. You really just compared CR7's injury with Ronaldo's? You guys always do weirdo stuff like that. Have to make up stuff to inflate CR7
Because nostalgia is real and logic isn't always applied. R9 was brilliant at his best but it's not even close. Maybe they should go back and watch CR7 in his prime, people forget the player in his 30s vs his 20s are completely different. If you're a manager signing a player for your team, you're taking CR7 all day.
I couldn't agree more people only remember the version of ronaldo that's a striker, but in his 20's he was everything r9 was and more
Both great players, but you got an electric feeling when you watched R9. Simply was out of the world compared to other players. I only got a similar feeling watching Ronaldinho 2004-06
Great way to put it. He was absolutely incredible
I agree. Henry gave me goosebumps also. Kaka, Zidane. And watching Maradona clips gives me chills on my spine. Messi, CR7 great... No disregard for them. But others are my favourites
@Not Just Another Atheist Henry? Better than R9? Whatever you’re smoking, QUIT
All that’s cool but CR7 is better. You can’t debate facts.
@@himynameis294 R9 still the best..he was so electrifying..pace, power and physique ☺️
Since his Prime was so short and he never achieved more than CR7 why are we talking about what COULD’VE been and not what it is?
Exactly my point.
When people talk about Brazilian Ronaldo
It’s usually “If he was not injured “
Using injuries as an excuse as to why players weren’t as good as they “should’ve” been is stupid. Being fit and staying consistent at the top is the biggest part of being a great footballer. Cristiano has been doing it for 20+ years. R9’s moment of shine doesn’t compare to Cristiano’s decades of greatness
Depends really. Ronaldo was the undisputed best player in the world at 20 years old. Without the injuries, he could have reached the consistency and magnitude of Messi and CR7 a decade earlier.
If there were no injuries bs. Injuries are part of the r9 package. CR7 no debate here.
There's a reason these player have their own name and individual talent that will never be re-created. We all have our favorites from what we see. At the end of the day football is a team game. Enjoy it while it last.
Ronaldo nazario was spectacular in a number of occasions, Cristiano Ronaldo was spectacular every single season he played.
This is like asking Messi or Ronaldinho, you'd obviously go with messi
Don't get me wrong dinho and r9 are probably the greatest players we've seen when it comes to talent but let's not forget Ronaldo and messi's prime has been for 13+ plus years
And let's not forget cr7 changed him game completely and was still able to perform at a high level when he has faced with injuries and was getting old, something r9 hasn't able to do
Nah comparing Cristianos injuries to R9s is idiotic. One couldn’t walk for almost 2 years because of injuries while The other maybe missed a few months at most. Aswell as this R9 has hypothyroidism which makes it way harder to lose weight and easier to gain it. If Cristiano had the same problems as R9 I doubt he would have been anywhere near as consistent as he is.
@@hc6190 yeah ik it doesn't change the fact that cr7 prime was for much longer and he was a top player for longer, he literally took care of his body to the max so of he did had those probably I'm sure he still would've been able to perform,the guy is 37 just scored 18 league goals and still getting hated on and called finished that says how much is expected from him, if r9 did the same and took care of his body he probably would've been the greatest player of all time but he didn't so... And I always say you can tell how much a player took care of their bodies and how discipline they are when they retire, look Maldini who is retired and still is in top shape( he was playing at cb for Milan at 40), now compare him to Wesley Sneijder and R9, players who when they retired let themselves go and has added punds ( didn't have long primes)
And I'm saying this as a madrid fan not a cr7 fan,but I just have to keep it 💯
@@madridman5863 your talking about numbers and longevity…that’s not the question though
@@madridman5863 have you just completed disregarded what i said? I know R9 never kept care of himself that well but there is no human on planet earth that could deal with those injuries and weight disorders and still have a long and successful career at the top. His lifestyle didn’t affect his career very much it was simply his injuries.
@@hc6190 that's probably true but what I'm trying to say is you can't blame cr7 for r9 tough injuries and him not taking care of himself and yes he had injuries but when we compare them we have to look at the fact that cr7 was the one performing late into his career
Talent wise I believe he's clear of everyone tho both Messi and Ronaldo but injuries messed him up and that's the reality
Brazilian Ronaldo all day injury’s destroyed him if it wasn’t for it their wouldn’t have been a debate Brazilian Ronaldo was a much better footballer and done it at the World Cup
People just use Injury as excuses he just lazy never take care his body
@@dewagod6532 fax
@@dewagod6532 how can you be lazy with injuries? In a more defensive era, players would get tackled and fouled more often. And he got injured playing for Inter Milan in 1999, they rushed him back which caused his ACL to snap completely. Know your facts before telling lies.
He like R9 because of his amazing skills not stats and achievements because stats and achievement CR7 is clear by a million miles
Stats become ugly when you start chasing them for ego.... desperately trying to score every penalty just to pad out your stats is ugly and mechanical...... Brazilian Ronaldo and Ronaldinho retained the beauty of football . And they won what really matters... the World Cup
@@RS__7 messi didnt win the world cup either, r9 must be better than him lol
@@omarhaider1626 Messi has talent close or similar with R9 though, his case is not only based on stats and trophies like CR7. Plus, Messi actually lead a team to a WC final, was awarded the WC golden ball, has won Olympic gold, Copa America etc.
@@nikosofidemporas ronaldo led his team to the UCL final 4 times, whats your point? ronaldo has the most international goals in history too but his team isnt anywhere as good as argnetinas
@@omarhaider1626 R9 and Ronaldinho are both better than Messi and Ronaldo
Brazil Ronaldo all day
You don’t know football
Cr7. Brazilian Ronaldo was lazy and didn’t train
@@Jungle1048 still went to back to back worldcups and won one without training and some ppl train all there life and still do t have the ability to reach a worldcup final.not even a semi final,goes to show how overrated they are
@@Firestartaboerboels you do realize he had a stacked team right. CR7 would of won more wc’s with that team
I have seen you in some videos hating on Cristiano, ofc you would pick ronaldo 9 talking like he is clear or sum but then you give no arguments to back up your statement 🤡
Brazilian Ronaldo scored 8 goals and won the 2002 work cup with 2 goals in the final ,all this after 18 months of injuries no play time whatsoever before the world cup. I don't think Cristiano could have done this.
I could sit here and list countless impossible achievements that Cristiano has made, but that would just be a waste of my time. You and I both know Cristiano has done the impossible on too many occasions to count.
Lmao R9 more that legendary Brazil squad. Kaká, Ronaldinho, Gilberto, Rivaldo, Adriano, Cafu, Dida, Roberto Carlos, and more that I am forgetting. Stupid comment. Meanwhile Portugal squad full of average players and still managing to reach the quarters and semis of euro and world cup
@@datboidiego9164 he's never done what R9 did in 2002.
@@grinchoi1 and r9 has never scored 18 goals in epl at 37 so your point ? 🥴
That Brazil team was loaded with world class players. CR7 would've also won the WC with that team.
CR7 not even close. R9 was amazing and great but unfortunately injuries ruined his career. CR7 has been dominant for so long against top quality defenders and is still playing at 37. CR7 is the best finisher ever imo he is also clutch. Love both but CR7
all-around goalscorer yes, don't think he is the best finisher ever (although he is probably a better finisher than r9). Messi is probably the best finisher overall throughout his career
@@rayaanyunus1071 Gerd Müller might be the best finisher ever.
@@ursula3438 great shout, definitely in the conversation
Facts 💯
@@rayaanyunus1071 i disagree messi wouldnt have the stats he haved right now if he moved club to club
Only I wish I was born a while ago.. I was born in 98 and only managed to r9 at real and later years where he was good but he started to get done out but I also managed to watch most of his old matches on tv highlights/youtube etc.when i was little like when in the 90s r9 looked like an absolute monster that was made in the lab for science or something... that guy was an animal. When that guy used to run at defenders.. The defenders used to wet their pants out of fear and he was playing in serie a when it was the best league in the world.. R9 looked like and had this best player in the world feel to himself.. Man had the charisma and fear of a monster player... I wish i was old enough to watch his younger/prime years fully...
Come on ESPN FC, Are you serious?!
Let's take Thierry Henry & Ronaldo-9, two of the greatest multi-functional forwards of all time.
They have scored 411 and 414 career goals respectively. That's a total of 825 career goals!
CR7 single-handedly scored 815 career goals so far.
Outscoring one of them is tough, outscoring both.....MONSTROUS!!!
How many games did Ronaldo play for those 414 goals? He played 606 matches. Thats not a bad ratio considering football was far more defensive during the 90s and early 2000s.
@@tashrif46The fact that he played more games than them shows his level.
@bonefacemulenga5107 well no. Because everything has improved as well. Technology, resources, nutrition, medicine, etc have all improved.
Cristian Ronaldo got almost as many assists as R9 got goals, but yeah let’s compare what a joke.
They ALL picked R9!! That should tell you something
@@GIBBO4182 that they are biased? They are the same PPL predicting he is finished from 2018.
It’s not about stats. It’s also skill
@@GIBBO4182 yeas, that they are biased Messi fanboys
@@sayanroy5125 exactly
We need more #10...every one is going 4-3-3
Skills and talent are not everything, ur impact in the field for your team does matter the most as player..And if u r talking about abilities and skills, I will always choose Ronaldinho above everyone..but that doesn't mean he is a better impactful player or had a better career than Messi or Ronaldo..
And what makes you think R9 had no impact ?
@@jonnyso1 I never said "No Impact", just said cr7 had better impact, and I m repeating not just better impact but better by far..
This is it.....Ronaldinho is the most talented player to ever the game....Messi and Cr7 had the biggest impact in the history of the game.....as for r9....it's only the oldies that love to talk about him
R9 in his peak was the best player of all time.
But Cr7 and Messi are still the GOATS for longevity and consistency.
Cristiano and Messi both had greater peaks than R9 in every aspect
@@simonppp no they did not. Ronaldo done it at the absolute peak of football
Highest all time champions league scorer, highest all time international scorer, highest all time Real Madrid scorer, 5 champions leagues, highest all time euro scorer, multiple premier league, serie A, and La Liga titles only player to ever do that 5 ballon dor and still breaking records and being a top top player at 37 years old! We have never seen something like this don't hate appreciate greatness no matter what he does he's always hungry for more that's GOAT mentality.
Penaldo has a much much better career but R9 was technically waaay better
@@imawormbeforeiamman6052 not way better but a better dribbling technique and a bit more skillful player
@@rishabh8613 naah. He was waay better. R9 was a baller and extremely fast
Still gets beaten by a guy who ate Milanesa Napolitana and soda till 24 and didn't even had a died plan, but still became the Greatest player 🥱😂
@@imawormbeforeiamman6052 you think cristiano ronaldo was not fast just type legendary speed of cr7 on youtube
CR7
They always talk about R9 injuries and forget CR7 injuries in his knee that diminished his dribbling ability
Cr7 didn't play against prime Maldini cannavaro nesta stam Beckham zidane with all do respect to him cr7 is great but r9 is and was an alien those veterans defenders were afraid of r9 nowadays tell me how many good defenders there is and how many legends are playing but credit for cr7 for being consistent great career indeed
Cr7
Listen Brazilian Ronaldo was like my childhood hero growing up. I remember them adverts with the Brazilian players dribbling in the airport. He is a legend and one of the best strikers I’ve seen. But Cristiano Ronaldo is a beast. He’s is literally a machine. That’s the only way I can describe cr7. Yeah maybe R9 was the more gifted player. But as the saying goes; hard work beats talent of talent don’t work hard. This why i say CR7 is a machine because I don’t think there’s a footballer that has his work rate or dedication. Not to say CR7 wasn’t talented because he was and is, but yeah R9 was more talented but for me CR7 was just the better player period. It’s not even up for debate..
@Quadrillion Trader He was not a natural no. 9 his heading was poor and movement off the ball was not that of a natural no. 9. But his shooting and dribbling made up for that.For me most complete striker was van basten had everything it demanded for a striker and had a much better career than R9.
@Quadrillion Trader people like you give me jokes. Why is it when someone gives their own opinion on football, some clown 🤡 come in and says ‘ you know nothing about football’. I just find it hilarious. 🤣🤣 then you proceed to copy and paste data from Google about R9 achievement to prove you have insight in football or prove your point. Do you want me to copy and paste CR7 achievements from google???
@Quadrillion Trader what’s your point. R9 was a striker with exceptional dribbling ability. Everyone knows this. Lmao 🤣 So it doesn’t surprise me he has scored that many goals outside the box from dribbles. Like I said before you claimed I know nothing about football. I watched him play with my own eyes, I’ve seen it yes it was amazing. CR7 is still the better player regardless. My mind is not gonna change. 🤫🤫🤫🤫
@Quadrillion Trader Bro I already know this stuff bruv that he achieved all this at young age no need to copy content from Google trying to make a point
@Quadrillion Trader lies
It’s Cristiano Ronaldo by a mile. R9 was legendary to watch though and it’s nostalgic looking back on it so there’s an emotional connection to those who grew up watching him.
Lolzz kids, I know you just started watching football. By mile 🤣🤣
@Quadrillion Trader so you are literally going into every comment of people that think CR7 is the better player calling them kids etc. who is really the kid here. Nobody is denying R9 talent and legendary status. But if people think CR7 is better why can’t you just accept it give your opinion and move on instead of being arrogant and condescending??? You really showing your maturity levels. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
But what he is saying is both of them in their prime. Brazilian ronaldo at his best was far better than cristiano at his best
Foolish person
R9 was the perfect number 9, bro
whattttt?? No true. U all are taking him for granted. More fearfull huh? Cr7 scored like 70-75 goals at his prime, ask defenders who played against him what fear is, when u know that some player is going to score everytime he plays against u, and u can't do anything about it. That is FEAR. About Brazilian Ronaldo he was great, had a great team and absolutely better team than cr7 had. Yet he never scored 50 goals in a season, never. People love to downgrade others and exaggerate in defence.
Slow news days but we need the ratings to closed out the month.
Intern: I got it. CR7 vs R9
Better career? CR7
Who was better in ther prime? R9
Who would I pick in my XI if I have to choose only one of them? Prime R9 easily
And same with Ronaldinho...when people say Ronaldo or Messi I say Ronaldinho
Numbers say somthing different
People old enough to have actually seen them both play : R9
People who aren’t : CR7
Cristiano has done anything better
@@zuko7655 hasn’t*
say what you want, compared to other sports shows I watch, these people feel relatable, having fun and conversations that you would w/ your friend, idk don't mind supporting them, not fake puppets like everyone else
Cristiano did everything R9 did but better. Long range, short range, headers, free kicks, penalties, dribbling is probably even, more trophies, more success, more longevity. Made Portugal nation team a thing whereas Brazil would be massive without Ronaldo. The disrespect is crazy. R9 was my favourite player growing up. I even did a study on him for a project in school. But they are not even in the same bracket. It’s Ronaldo and Messi and everybody else for probably 200 years from now. And if you really wanna say at his best. Then it’s still Ronaldo lol like what? His best ever record for a team in terms of goals is 83 for Real Madrid cristiano had like 63 or something in one year for Real Madrid whereas R9 took five years. 280 all comps overall in all teams. 280 vs over 1000 and you wanna say he was better? It’s insane. Insane.
CR7 is competition to Messi, I just wonder if R9 would be able to keep up with Messi like Ronaldo has done
He wouldn’t be any closer than Suarez was, and Cristiano would easily dominate the entire 90s and 2000s
If we are talking about pure football ability and NOT trophies or Ballon'dor CR7 has not kept up with Messi.
R9 is better than both, then only Thing they got on him is longevity. I never seen anytging like r9 at his peak.
@@simonppp lol, are you insane ?
Suarez is like a baby footballer compared to Ronaldo Nazario.
If Ronaldo Nazario had the same desire as Messi and CR7, he would have outshined them. And we must remember Ronaldo Nazario faced much better defenders than Messi and CR7 did.
He faced the likes of Maldini, Nesta, Stam and Desailly.
Longetivity: CR7
Dribbling, Entertainment, explosive and all around talent is R9. No striker comes close to R9
Love CR7 but R9 was a mixture of Christiano and Messi in everything except longevity.
Facts but also Goals, assist and trophies for Ronaldo
@@madridman5863 yeah ur right
@@madridman5863 which one though 👀
@@FountainOfYoot assists is the key word in that statement
People would have subjective opinions especially fans of both players. However, I feel Brazilian Ronaldo is better, especially on the world stage. Reached 3 back to back Finals (94, 98, 02) and won 2 world cups (was on the bench in 1994). His career was cut short by injuries. Someone said he is a flash in the pan, maybe they never watched him play. Back then, top goalkeepers and defenders dreaded marking R9. Those were the very best. Not to take anything away from Portuguese Ronaldo though, he is a top player.
I don't think that any other great players can play in Premier league at 37 years old
Zlatan in 2017????
@@Ash-xo4oi
He doesn't score 18 goals in the Premier league
@@TheBEST-zw3tz he got hurt, he was on pace to do it.
@The BEST he scored 17 goals and had 5 assists in 28 games in the epl and overall had 38 goal contributions that season so yes zlatan was better for united
@@Dr.Yakub22 he did that t 35 not 37 and a half huge difference, ronaldo at 34-35 was getting 50 goals a season.
Real Talent vs hard worker. If kid these day ever watching him, they'll understand about how awesome was R9's skill
Brilliant 👏
The Samba is all Ronaldo had.
Brazilian Ronaldo in his prime by far
Which years did you pick for a prime CR7
These pundits my lord. 😂😂😂
Defenders tremble at meeting Ronaldo delima, no other player bring fear on the faces of defenders like Delima, I enjoyed watching him, he talked less and did his talking on the pitch, he gets the ball and he heads direct direction of the opposition defence. Great player plagued with injuries..
Why CR7 is compared so much to the other players? I have come to the conclusion that CR7 is THE ONE "THE GOAT" period.
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Dumb and Ignorant football fan who gives dumb opinions
Well he isn’t the better footballer
Ronaldo is simply GOAT 🐐
@@blank1933 that's your opinion
CR7 easily
Brazilian Ronaldo was a Meastro scoring machine he was fun to watch one on one he was money not just depending counterattacking football
I’ve had about enough of the Ronaldo slander. It’s ridiculous! Messi would never be getting this treatment!
Brazilian of course
It depends on what you are comparing but I would choose prime CR7 over prime R9 for my team regardless
i mean the constancy alone. i remember always looking at scoresheets after every game n literally being shocked when he didn’t have a goal… tht was for every game in tht season
The problem with that question is that any player at their peak, could possibly be the best player that ever was. Eusebio at his peak might have been better than Pelé at his peak. George Best and Ronaldinho at their peaks might well have been better than Messi and Maradona and so on. It's all about how you remember that player, how you felt during a certain match, etc.
R9 pace of mbappe strength of haaland dribbles like young Ronaldo cr7 and finishing like messi.
If R9 didn't have injuries and the weight health issues he would have accomplished alot more deffo the GOAT
But since he didn’t CR7 >R9. I love and respect R9 but not on this
Stop with the if jeez it didnt happen🇵🇹🐐
@@joshadewara7149 he isn’t the greatest but he is the best footballer. When they say that they talk about his career not his ability. He’s the best ever unanimously
@@blank1933 wise response but Cr7’s ability is nothing compared? Let’s not ignore that this man has banged some world class free kicks, headers, weak foot goals, assists, skills… what more man, what. He has also been one of the most hardworking/consistent athlete alive! Only World Cup left to conquer. He literally made the whole opponent fan base give him a standing ovation! What else man?!
If Neymar wasn't having injuries he would have won the Ballon Dor, is that your logic?
Blows my mind how this is even a conversation. CR7 is another level
It does blow my mind that Ronaldo is compared to Cristiano because in ability, he is so clearly inferior to The Real Ronaldo.
Im a Messi fan, but it annoys me seeing ESPN FC constantly downplaying Cristiano. wdf
And these are the guys analyzing the football we all watch ain’t no way
Cr9 was great but cr7 his career and records are unreal.
Next question. I've seen both play. CR7 undoubtedly is a better player. There is no comparison between a player who showed moments that he could be the greatest and then the greatest. 4 seasons 60+ goals says it all.
Wrong
Honestly CR7 in his prime can shoot 25 yard goals no need to absorb damage like R9, both feet, way better playmaker it’s not even close. Better in the air. Better at set pieces. Faster in terms of speed. To top it off look at what he’s done in the champions league. And before y’all say R9 has a World Cup…. Go look back at that Brazil team. Cristiano plays for Portugal and has had more qualifications to the World Cup than prior of his professional career and he still has silverware for Portugal. Cristiano is great anywhere.
Lmao a player who won the hardest competition to win also while cr7 can’t even get past the round of 16 without figo holding his hand lol you’re young it’s ok..maradona , Messi,zidane & r9 all better than cr7..great numbers from cr7 but he ain’t them other guys sorry ..you young you won’t understand all you understand is goals scored stats lol it’s ok
@@sluglow6357 I LITERALLY GO LOOK AT THAT BRAZIL TEAM. Just stop. You acting like R9 carried Brazil like cristiano Carries Portugal. It wasn’t until right now after his prime that cristiano got talent around him.
@@bryancastillo4753 Carrie’s them where? You mean like them winning the euros without him on the field ? This ain’t American sports kid don’t come with your lame “look who he playing with” garbage 🤣 always tryna make your boyfriend some typa underdog lol insecure ! He top 5 why you can’t be happy ? Lol
Nahhhh the nostalgia is crazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 r9 the phenomenon, won the World Cup with one of the most talented sides in footy history in an era when tactics were basic players would party twice a week. Cr7 might not be as technically gifted, but his physicality and mentality combined with the world class talent he had exceeds r9. Cr7s real prime in terms of football was 2008 to 2014. The ballon dor came for the output and titles won.
All of Cristiano's UCL trophies (at least the Real wins) were won with superteams as well.
@@ursula3438 the united team wasn’t a super team? It had world class players mixed with passion merchants and managed by the greatest in fergie. R9 didn’t win one ucl, and in that Brazilian side there was all time greats in every position.
@@FatTodd You're right, ManU in 08 was a superteam in its own right. But that's the point, I don't think R9 was ever on a team to compete for UCL, when he was in his prime. Keep in mind, his prime only lasted from 94 to 99 after that he had 2 consecutive knee injuries and almost missed 3 years. The fact that he won a WC and a Ballon D'Or on an aching knee after not having played for so long is a miracle in itself and is a testament to his insane natural talent.
@@ursula3438 uno what else is ridiculous, the fact I seen ronaldo tear it up as a flashy skillfull winger evolve into a ruthless inside forward and then again to a deadly poacher, pure goalscorer. Still to this day is amongst the top of European football. Longevity is one of the biggest indicators of greatness.
@@FatTodd I'm with you, CR7 is among the 4 GOATs, Ronaldo Fenomeno is no 5.
If it was not for that injury to R9 at 24years we would'nt even be having this discussion...
Brazilian Ronaldo had the playmaking abilities of Messi, the pace of Mbappe , the power in his shots (without having to raise his foot too high) of Haaland and the anticipation and cleverness of Lewadwoski
Still not close to CR7 man , guy keeps proving you guys wrong after 2 decades 🫡
@@donjoseph9325 I'm s big big CR7 fan FYI. Just thinking he is wasting his time playing for a dead club in decline.
I love R9 but he had NOT playmaking abilities like Messi, like not even close. Of course talent wise overall he was at a similar level to Leo and above CR7 and most footballers of the last 30 years.
@@nikosofidemporas then you haven’t watched or analysed his play. Ronaldo was a freak
Playmaker ability like Messi..?
Best joke I've ever heard
CR7 hate is real in here 👌 cr7 still remains the best ,he does what no man can do in the pitch he is a complete football player ⚽️
I think the real question should be if you need a striker to play a final now who would you pick and why? R9, Messi or CR7?
R9 has 2 World Cup titles to his name. One in 94 & 2002. We was Superman in his prime. The Real Ronaldo
I worshiped Brazilian Ronaldo, he was something else and I only watched him with Brazil, man oh man, yeah love him
😂 So ridiculously bias from these clowns 🤡 all these hasbeens pundits that were mediocre at their peak feel insecure by CR7s natural talent, work ethic and accomplishments. Cristiano’s greatness is written in the stars, he will win important things again.
If you think CR7 is a natural talent you must be watching the wrong sport... when you talk about raw natural football talent you talk about Messi, Ronaldinho, R9...their talent is sensational..CR is pure hardwork and dedication and the need to be the best.. that's why he's one of the best players in the sport which I agree with what u said.. but not natural talent..I'm sorry
@@SuperTroy111 lmao you are a brainwashed evangelist.
@@hattrick257 explain to me who me acknowledging that CR7 being on of the best player in the world doesn't necessarily equate raw natural talent is a signal of brainwashing?
R9 almost messi and cr7 combined into one for me he had everything
Luis Garcia is awesome.
I’m Brazilian R9 is better style to watch but CR7 is a monster. I think CR7 and Messi took to different level but I still prefer to watch Ronaldinho and R9 play.
Just look at their Career stats and easily you can decide who is the Better one.
They’re talking about their prime
R9 went to 3 world cups…every squad got to the final
It's personal preference, for me, football is supposed to be entertaining, which gradually diminishing since late 00s, OG Ronaldo is the most entertaining footballer and never see a player comes close to the Brazilian and never will.
True comic relief.....
2 World Cup and 1998 runner up
World Cup highest goal scorer (golden shoes) 1998, 2002
"Ronaldo did things nobody had seen before. He, together with Romário and George Weah, reinvented the centre-forward position. They were the first to drop from the penalty box to pick up the ball in midfield, switch to the flanks, attract and disorientate the central defenders with their runs, their accelerations, their dribbling."
-Former France striker Thierry Henry
Cant remember him at 94 world cup. Incredible player tho.
You put prime CR7 into that Brazil team they're winning 2 or 3 World cups in a row.
@@oasisreno1920
He was on the bench and Romario, Bebeto , Dunga , Jorginho, did the magic
@@Shinobi91
1994 and 2002 Brazil national team was stacked with talents, CR7 will not have a place
Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Rivaldo
@@obamanyoutubetookmychannel3560 you're funny 🤣
What a insult. I have seen both orginal ronaldo and new ronaldo. Orginal ronaldo was phenomenal above all 🤦🏾♂️
bla bla bla, one says pele, another maradonna, another, says messi, bla bla bla, R9 did win 2 WC's but in RM, with zidane , figo, raul, etc, he couldn't win a UCL., bla bla bla.
@@jorsam8846 he missed the semi final. You know nothing. Check his record in that tournament.
I’m not even a CR7 fan but if you put him in any of the Real Madrid/Brazil team R9 was playing in, his would have scored more and been even better .. old heads just don’t want to accept the new guys
Good show today.