@@kathieharine5982 they still won't be able to remove the gel ink. I bought a 6 pack of the gel pens, I only write 1 or 2 checks a month, almost never put in the mail. Good point, though.
The last thing you want to do is fill a check out with dye based ink but the signature of the check's owner in pigment based ink. Once washed the thief has the original signature and can change the rest of it for nefarious purposes. Use pigment based ink for the entire check.
You do realize that they used both types of ink on the check to SHOW you that the pigment ink stays and the dye based ink dissolves in the acetone right? Didn't think someone would be so confused by that.
That's it. I'm signing all my checks with a 207. That way, if a criminal washes them, they'll get a blank check with my real signature on it, meaning they won't have to forge it themselves! What a timesaver!
Use the pigmented ink for the amount & receiving party info but SIGN with the dye-based so when some arsewipe steals & washes it all he removes is the *signature* !! - hahahaha
@@rennovattio7818 - the check thieves use adhesive tape to cover the signature area both front and back so that the chemical bath does not affect the signature. The payee and amount areas are what require use of indelible ink.
So, make out the check and amount with the 207 but sign it with a regular pen. If they wash it, the check and amount is still made out to whoever but your signature goes away. Bam!
Tombow blue and black rollerball refills are pigment as well. I did the acetone test with both, and the writing stays put. I have no idea about the red, but I don't buy that color refill.
Some of the comments confused me, but I figured it out. Write everything in 207 don't mix, so they can't copy your signature or change the amount. If you use an ordinary pen, they can choose to copy as well as wash away what was written.
Haven't written a check in years. I have credit card payments, utilities, rent, cable, phone, etc all on autopay. And one result is a credit score in the 800's.
All comparison videos I have seen compare uniball signo 207 to an old-style (and probably halfway dried up) Bic ballpoint pen, and only with respect to one property: ink-resistance to washing with acetone or related chemicals. What about other kinds of pens? What about waterproofness? (Uniball signo is not waterproof.) What about ability of a pen to make carbon copies (for checks with “duplication” paper attached) ?
I ended up here 14yrs after this video was made - trying to explain to my 15 yr old what a check was and how to fill it out. He zoomed in to look at the account number and info and took a snap shot still image copy of the signatures to prove it was stupid to write a check at all, and to tell me it was stupid to allow adults to upload videos.
That is why you should have signature that is virtually impossible to snapshot properly. Because noone would take printed variant and person won't be able to properly sign way you do making it look like not real stuff. P.S. Checks aren't a thing in my country anyways.
Ok so here is a naive question I'm sure. The crook has to deposit that check into an account. How does she not leave a trail that leads to her? You need valid ID to open an account. Right?
The crooks make up a sob story to some idiot that will listen, and asks you to cash it for them by signing it over to you. They may say they owe money to the bank so they can't cash it, or they're homeless and need to feed their kids, that's just one example, they do lots of things with checks.
God people in the comments are idiots... The OBVIOUS THING he is trying to teach y'all is to WRITE THE WHOLE CHECK WITH THE 207!! THAT WAY NOTHING CAN BE REMOVED!!
As a analogy of the dye, imagine you have a bucket full of dark grey pebbles, but they're all covered in mud. Mud stuck to the pebbles, is like individual dye molecules stuck to the larger paper fibers. You can wash the mud away, because it can disperse into water without disassembling the pile of pebbles. The particles are small enough to easily slip back out from between the pebbles. Likewise, dye can disperse into solvent molecules, and be carried through and away from the forest of paper fibers. As a analogy of the pigment, imagine you have dark grey pebbles, and some bright red pebbles that are small enough to fit between the larger ones. You pour the red pebbles into the bucket, and most of them settle through the cracks between the larger grey ones. No amount of rinsing will separate them, because pebbles won't liquify in water. Unless you grab every pebble out one at a time, you're not separating them easily without removing everything into individual pieces. Likewise, removing pigment flakes from paper fibers, one at a time, would be nearly impossible without practically infinite time on your hands, and some nanomachines. Doing so would still destroy the paper as you'd have ripped it apart into microscopic pieces. Paper's actual structure is like laying a forest of random strings on top of each other and pressing it flat. The liquid the pigment ink is mixed with lets it easily flow and settle between these stringy layers of paper fibers, and get trapped between them, just like the smaller red pebbles fell through the cracks in the grey pebbles in the bucket. This is about the best I can explain it without some fancy 3D animations. This is also very close to how air flows through a air filter, and leaves dirt particles behind in the stringy forest of fibers. They just get stuck, but the air fits through.
@@theLuigiFan0007Productions Wow, thank you for the detailed and easy to understand explanation! This makes sense now and I also like the comparison to air filters
Not that I doubt this experiment, but it would help "sell" it's authenticity if he opened a fresh thing of nail polish remover to prove he was actually putting the 2nd check in the same substance.
Ahem, from Wikipedia: Acetone can be found as an ingredient in a variety of consumer products ranging from cosmetics to processed and unprocessed foods. Acetone has been rated as a GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) substance when present in beverages, baked foods, desserts, and preserves at concentrations ranging from 5 to 8 mg/L. Additionally, a joint U.S-European study found that acetone's "health hazards are slight." I think you're confusing it with acid.
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Anyone else just seeing this 14 years later? Thanks CZcams
and 14yrs later I am learning about check washing...
thanks CZcams for keeping me inform about thing I no longer use...
the obvious thing is to sign the check with ordinary pen, and everything else in 207 gel! Great video
The crooks then put tape over both sides of thé signiture. Then it is not removed.
@@kathieharine5982 they still won't be able to remove the gel ink. I bought a 6 pack of the gel pens, I only write 1 or 2 checks a month, almost never put in the mail. Good point, though.
who uses checks these days? maybe 20 years ago lol
@trollolol
Not in Europe.
@@double-you5130 There are still a couple place I have to write checks.
Came here from the random bank video talking about the uniball 207 being unwashable
Frank Abagnale’s video. “Catch me if you can”. He is an expert.
The last thing you want to do is fill a check out with dye based ink but the signature of the check's owner in pigment based ink. Once washed the thief has the original signature and can change the rest of it for nefarious purposes. Use pigment based ink for the entire check.
yeah I just realized what they did was stupid, or do it the otherway around if anything.
You do realize that they used both types of ink on the check to SHOW you that the pigment ink stays and the dye based ink dissolves in the acetone right? Didn't think someone would be so confused by that.
Gary this was for people to see the difference of ball point vs check pens
Exactly what I thought; that was a dumb move.
nothing like having a blank check with a valid signature on it!
This really helped me for a presentation I have to give on Super Ink. Thank you
That happened to someone I worked for and they used the check several times to take thousands. I had no idea this is how it's done!
Check picture banking services.
That's it. I'm signing all my checks with a 207. That way, if a criminal washes them, they'll get a blank check with my real signature on it, meaning they won't have to forge it themselves! What a timesaver!
Use the pigmented ink for the amount & receiving party info but SIGN with the dye-based so when some arsewipe steals & washes it all he removes is the *signature* !! - hahahaha
...but yeah, he did it wackbirds, so I see your point.
The point is nothing would wash off if you use the pen to write the entire check.
@@rennovattio7818 - the check thieves use adhesive tape to cover the signature area both front and back so that the chemical bath does not affect the signature. The payee and amount areas are what require use of indelible ink.
Oh my God!!! Thank God I'm not the only one to see this IDIOT'S MISTAKE!!!
Perfectly timed with the third movement of Eroica.
I bought a multi-pack Uniball 207 + at target this week. Good information!
omg who sends checks these days.
@double-you you know, i still write the occasional check!
how much were they
@@jessihawkins9116 they were $9.29 for 9 pens at target
@@M.C.Blackwell is that with tax or without tax?🤔
So, make out the check and amount with the 207 but sign it with a regular pen. If they wash it, the check and amount is still made out to whoever but your signature goes away. Bam!
they just tape over your signature bro so that it never washes away ..
Tombow blue and black rollerball refills are pigment as well. I did the acetone test with both, and the writing stays put. I have no idea about the red, but I don't buy that color refill.
Some of the comments confused me, but I figured it out. Write everything in 207 don't mix, so they can't copy your signature or change the amount. If you use an ordinary pen, they can choose to copy as well as wash away what was written.
Is this an ad for Uniball 207 pens? Or are there other brands of pens that are safe to use, too?
Thanks for this. Just got ripped off by a "check washer." Gel Uniball 207 pens going forward!
Did they get your money?
Or did you fight it?
Haven't written a check in years. I have credit card payments, utilities, rent, cable, phone, etc all on autopay. And one result is a credit score in the 800's.
@javawhz Okay Print it on what? Checks use a special paper, just like money.
WHY is this in my reccomended 14 YEARS later??
does this works with a jetstream too?
If someone steals your check they have your routing number and account number and can just go buy checks. You'll need to change your account number.
What ink is all of the other factory printing made of? How come acetone does not remove that material and only dye based ink?
Not sure about all of the other ink, but the ink at the very bottom that has the routing and account numbers is printed with MICR.
thanx grandma 👍
All comparison videos I have seen compare uniball signo 207 to an old-style (and probably halfway dried up) Bic ballpoint pen, and only with respect to one property: ink-resistance to washing with acetone or related chemicals. What about other kinds of pens? What about waterproofness? (Uniball signo is not waterproof.) What about ability of a pen to make carbon copies (for checks with “duplication” paper attached) ?
Thanks. Fourteen years ago! Thats early days for a YT vid.
This must be why I cant get a clean line with a 207.
I ended up here 14yrs after this video was made - trying to explain to my 15 yr old what a check was and how to fill it out. He zoomed in to look at the account number and info and took a snap shot still image copy of the signatures to prove it was stupid to write a check at all, and to tell me it was stupid to allow adults to upload videos.
That is why you should have signature that is virtually impossible to snapshot properly. Because noone would take printed variant and person won't be able to properly sign way you do making it look like not real stuff.
P.S. Checks aren't a thing in my country anyways.
Your child is doing the equivalent of bragging about being unable to swim.
My son says it’s stupid to respond
This dude literally put his checking account number and bank routing number online.
Welp this video paved the way
perhaps i could use this stuff for permanent eyeliner!
Kaha Milta hai..
You forgot to put tape over the signature.
A real crook wouldn't need tape over the signature. She would only dip half the check into acetone. Just up to the signature
What is a check ?
I thought the thieves saved the signature?
Ok so here is a naive question I'm sure. The crook has to deposit that check into an account. How does she not leave a trail that leads to her?
You need valid ID to open an account. Right?
The crooks make up a sob story to some idiot that will listen, and asks you to cash it for them by signing it over to you. They may say they owe money to the bank so they can't cash it, or they're homeless and need to feed their kids, that's just one example, they do lots of things with checks.
This just happened to me and it appears they have fake ID's and use one of those quick check cashing places.
It's called identity theft genius
God people in the comments are idiots...
The OBVIOUS THING he is trying to teach y'all is to WRITE THE WHOLE CHECK WITH THE 207!!
THAT WAY NOTHING CAN BE REMOVED!!
Can't hear you.
Thank you for giving criminals more ideas lol
Use a marker that bleeds through the check to the other side. Then the thief will just throw away the check.
How do yuo erase words from a hard cover book without damaging it?
extra soft toothbrush with a lot of acetone if its a normal pen, eventually you'll gently brush away the ink
Who uses checks nowadays?
Clap with me for this uni pen the grandfather's jetstream pen
My car papers were scribbled on. Now I can finally save them !
What chemical is he using to was the check
Acetone
wow very old video.
Isn t it?
it's back in oct. 2022
wait till this guy figures out that whiteout exists
its a big fuck for me
I'm the guy who takes the checks
Did this guy just show us his bank account numbers?!?!
windows movie maker at its finest
This guy just put his routing and account nunber and everything on the internet?
3:59 Bic Round stic
Try that with a Sharpie.
really? the fact that the ink came off in the same way doesn't do it for you? or the fact that it even came off at all? what else would do that? lol
i press hard on the regular pen i write cheques.even u use acidtone it will be pressed into the paper there will be lines on cheuqes.
at 1 minute in this seems like bullshit how do you permanently embed a paint chip in paper? still just seems like staining it
well i see the reaction but still don't know wtf "permanently embedded" means
As a analogy of the dye, imagine you have a bucket full of dark grey pebbles, but they're all covered in mud. Mud stuck to the pebbles, is like individual dye molecules stuck to the larger paper fibers. You can wash the mud away, because it can disperse into water without disassembling the pile of pebbles. The particles are small enough to easily slip back out from between the pebbles. Likewise, dye can disperse into solvent molecules, and be carried through and away from the forest of paper fibers. As a analogy of the pigment, imagine you have dark grey pebbles, and some bright red pebbles that are small enough to fit between the larger ones. You pour the red pebbles into the bucket, and most of them settle through the cracks between the larger grey ones. No amount of rinsing will separate them, because pebbles won't liquify in water. Unless you grab every pebble out one at a time, you're not separating them easily without removing everything into individual pieces. Likewise, removing pigment flakes from paper fibers, one at a time, would be nearly impossible without practically infinite time on your hands, and some nanomachines. Doing so would still destroy the paper as you'd have ripped it apart into microscopic pieces. Paper's actual structure is like laying a forest of random strings on top of each other and pressing it flat. The liquid the pigment ink is mixed with lets it easily flow and settle between these stringy layers of paper fibers, and get trapped between them, just like the smaller red pebbles fell through the cracks in the grey pebbles in the bucket. This is about the best I can explain it without some fancy 3D animations. This is also very close to how air flows through a air filter, and leaves dirt particles behind in the stringy forest of fibers. They just get stuck, but the air fits through.
@@theLuigiFan0007Productions Wow, thank you for the detailed and easy to understand explanation! This makes sense now and I also like the comparison to air filters
cheques checks
I'm gonna get some. I'm thinking 1.0 mm. I also see 0.7 mm.
Not that I doubt this experiment, but it would help "sell" it's authenticity if he opened a fresh thing of nail polish remover to prove he was actually putting the 2nd check in the same substance.
Any of you guys still using cheques in 2023?
If you would turn off the damn background noise, it would be so much easier to hear and understand his speech.
I will be a millionaire!
BTW, when you right a check, you are giving the recipient your account number and a signature specimen.
write
@@jameslowry3208 right!
@@kilroy2517 left
Ahem, from Wikipedia:
Acetone can be found as an ingredient in a variety of consumer products ranging from cosmetics to processed and unprocessed foods. Acetone has been rated as a GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) substance when present in beverages, baked foods, desserts, and preserves at concentrations ranging from 5 to 8 mg/L. Additionally, a joint U.S-European study found that acetone's "health hazards are slight."
I think you're confusing it with acid.
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Who the hell uses checks now
andipotter54321 you would be surprised
Alotta idiots who want their accounts drained unfortunately
Thanks for teaching everyone how to wash a check. You’re a piece of work.
Anyone who wants to know can know pretty easily. My objection is if this is an easy attack, do checks have features that show it?
Stop using checks.......
He just created a check perfect for washing WTF.
Snitch
Get a job
Lose the music
Jesus,what backward country uses paper checks these days? I pay all my bills online!
My landlord is old school and only accepts checks :/